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Our church Bookstore
Gooday I was the author for this page and unfortunately I did not have a chance to reply to the proposal for deletion before the page got deleted. I don't work for this company (or own it or have any affiliation) but was just posting an article. Before this I have made pages without a user name including one on various australian physicists such as David Pegg, Joan Vaccaro, and Howard Wiseman (and some others). I understand Wikipedia doesn't want articles that are trivial but I produced this articles (along with the others) because I do not believe any of these are insignificant. Please explain why you though Our church Bookstore was trivial (I'm assuming that was the reason for deletion?) Grayza1234 01:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)Grayza1234

Re: Chop Chop (Australian English)
''Hi and thanks for starting the above article. I have left some thoughts about the article name on the article talk page and would be interested to know your thoughts. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 01:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)''
 * I have moved the page as requested to Chop Chop (Tobacco) - Fosnez 02:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Waverley Old Boys FC
Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia and the message you posted on our article makes no sense to me.

What do I need to include to avoid the article being deleted.

We are a soccer club and we are registered with the Eastern Suburbs Football Association in Sydney, NSW and have been so since 2001.

I would appreciate your reply as we don't want the article to be removed from Wikipedia.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyzp (talk • contribs) 00:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Low level? We play in the Eastern Suburbs Premier League.

I am confused because there are many clubs who are in the same association as us and their articles are on Wikipedia. May I refer you to Lokomotiv Cove FC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokomotiv_Cove).

They are in the same association as us and are actually in several leagues below us, yet their article is OK for wikipedia?

I removed the prod tag prior to reading your response and have now noticed you have passed on this article for deletion. Can you tell me what I need to include in this article? I thought I have done everything which is required? And please shed some light on Lokomotive Cove FC. They are below us, in terms of "amatuer level" yet their article seems to be running on wikipedia with no problems.

I am disappointed you have passed on the article for deletion. Doesn't seem fair. We were in the process of adding much more information on the page.

Craig Foster is a player for our club, and when you click his profile in wikipedia, it states Waverley Old Boys is his current club. When you clicked the link, nothing appeared, which is why we created our wikipedia article. You feel it is right, if someone who is interested in Craig Foster and wishes to research information on what club his currently playing for, they don't have a page to look at? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyzp (talk • contribs) 00:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

again i am making no sense of anything...

are you able to simply tell me what it is exactly in our article which has made you pass it on for deletion? possibly in non-wikipedia terms? i went to lokomotives site and there is no deletion message on their front page...

thank you... just a simple explanation will do... talk to me as if i am new to wikipedia and i am not too familiar with the terms... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyzp (talk • contribs) 00:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

hmm, just noticed the deletion talk for our article... are you saying if i list some independent sources proving we are an amatuer club, will that fix the article to your liking and in turn, it will no longer be in the list for articles to be deleted? thank you... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyzp (talk • contribs) 01:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Nomadtales/Main South Line
hey mate, thanks for cleaning up after me. That page was actually just a temp page and both (if you have the power) can now be deleted. Thanks. Nomadtales 01:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Palm Island, Queensland
Hi Matt, I would like Palm Island to be a 'to do' to get up to FA status :) Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 10:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks mate! yes I know that and I'm trying to brush up on my copyediting skills at the moment to give it a thorough going over, then I'll FINALLY try to do the mammoth task of summarising certain sections and putting them into their own articles. APR's suggestions will get me a long way down the path towards FA I think. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 11:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Pinnaroo Border Cricket Associaction, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template   to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. SQL(Query Me!) 05:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Perth/WA
Dont know what it is but every dog and their owner wants to put another group that played in the backyard last week on those lists - had been talking about putting some sort of do not put anything here inside the article to stem the haemorage - but nah - oh well - the music in wa article and category try to stem the flood SatuSuro 23:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Forgot to say local editor Dan arndt has done some brilliant work in trying to tidy things up - and he had encountered the list/category conundrum (as well as hard to understand messages from me!) SatuSuro 01:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * SatuSuro's comments aren't that hard to understand as it pointed out previously there was a list of musical acts from Western Australian - when the list was converted to the two categories; [Category: Western Australian musical groups] & [Category:Western Australian musical artists] - I kept a version of the original list on my user page (as it included a number of Western Australian bands which didn't have specific articles - some of which are notable and others of which are not) - List of Western Australian Musical Acts. There are some gaps in the list that I am endeavouring to fill (abiet slowly) but am happy if you or others want to use it to populate the current list in the article.Dan arndt 06:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Rivers
Might be commented out but looks good!--Golden Wattle talk 10:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Ogilvy Rover
I didnt get a chance to reply before the file was deleted, but the site was CERTAINLY NOT advertising. We are part of Scouts Australia, and were adding our page to the wiki. Scouts has over 32million members world wide, and our group has been around since 1980. We are a well known group, and are a NOT FOR PROFIT organisation. So if you can explain how the site was in anyway advertising, id be VERY happy. feel free to email me at mikeyis@gmail.com.

i look for to your reply

Regards

Michael Smedley (Ogilvy Rovers Crew Leader) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeyis (talk • contribs) 06:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Jason Clare
How can you argue that the endorsed Labor candidate for one of the safest Labor seats in Australia, who will certainly be elected whenever the election is held, is not notable? This is ridiculous. Intelligent Mr Toad 09:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

You say: "Hundreds of people run for elected office every election in Australia, most of whom are forgotten after the election even those endorsed by a major party." This comment is irrelevant as Clare is certain to be elected. He will get an article as soon as he is elected, so what is wrong with creating it now? You are wasting your time and mine with this stupid pedantry. Intelligent Mr Toad 11:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It is not orginal research. The seat has existed for nearly 60 years and has always elected a Labor member. It is no more original research to say that Clare will be elected than it is to say the sun will come up tomorrow. Having to waste one's time with idiocy like this is why so many intelligent people are driven away from Wikipedia. Delete it if you want, I couldn't be bothered further with you. Intelligent Mr Toad 13:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think Mr Clare is a mere candidate as he ousted the sitting member of a safe seat - bit different. This is a prominent seat having been held by Keating from 1969-1996. I have had a hand in deleting a fair few candidates for being mere candidates so am normally conservative. Clare ousted the sitting member who was quoted as saying in one of the references I would have liked to go as far as Paul (Keating) but . . . I've been denied   Clare also held preselection in a competition against the candidate endorsed by the ALP exec and blessed by Whitlam.  Whitlam had also blessed Latham (who had been his researcher) so perhaps not being blessed by Whitlam is a good thing :-).  Definitely more interesting than your run of the mill candidate and I believe passes notability thresholds! We don't often disagree and I do respect your views but this time I differ :-) --Golden Wattle  talk 00:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Linked (although very tangentially) with a sex scandal :-) We did discuss looking out for candidates at WP:AWNB a while ago - see Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board/Archive_26. A good link to watch suggested by Moondyne is Special:Recentchangeslinked/Changes related to Candidates of the Australian general election, 2007.  There was also some discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics and I gave my views on candidate deletions at Talk:Candidates of the Australian general election, 2007--Golden Wattle  talk 01:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Nehrams2020 RfA Thanks
Thank you for your participation in my RfA, which closed successfully with unanimous support. I appreciate you taking the time to stop by and vote and I can't wait to learn the new tools and further immerse myself into Wikipedia! Please don't hesitate to point out any errors I make so I can prevent them from occurring again. I'm always here to help, so if you ever need anything, just let me know. Also, thanks to Wizardman for nominating me and for guiding many other editors to become admins. Again, thank you and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 07:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet reporting
You can suspect a sockpuppet (and label it as such citing evidence), but to be sure, you really need to request a checkuser be performed. I'll take a look at the edits to see what I can learn. -- Longhair\talk 23:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you seen User:Amy_Veal, which another admin has suspected of also being a sock? Sorry I don't know the history of this user having never come across them. Is there a larger picture I'm missing? Are these socks of a banned user?-- Longhair\talk 23:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've taken a glance over the combined edits of the various accounts and realised a pattern of disruption. They also clear warnings from their talk page but a check back at the history of User talk:Muitint78 shows a disruptive trend forming. An indefinite block has only been handed out to User:Amy Veal as far as I can tell. If you can give me a list of the accounts you suspect this editor to be using I'll check them over and block them as sockpuppets if that's what is proven. -- Longhair\talk 00:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I just read over your other post and it's all come together now. I remember this guy :) -- Longhair\talk 00:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've just blocked User:Muitint78. We'll wait and see what Riana wants to do with the remaining account. -- Longhair\talk 00:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Joseph Coyetty
Please don't revert to a copyright violation. Corvus cornix 01:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Article: Joseph Coyetty invented toilet paper in 1857.

Copied page: Joseph Coyetty invented toilet paper in 1857

Article: Later on Mr. Coyetty would sell his invention, to The British Perforated Paper Company, in 1880.

Copied page: He sold his invention to The British Perforated Paper Company in 1880

Article: The paper was not sold in roll form.

Copied page: but it didn't come in roll form,

Now tell me again that it isn't a copyright violation. I will be reverting again. Don't re-revert or I'll take it to WP:ANI. Corvus cornix 03:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have commented at WP:AN/I. It wasn't a copyvio in my opinion. The comments above by User:Corvus cornix are in my opinion unwarranted.  Regards --Golden Wattle  talk 00:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

David Stein (Toronto actor
Who the hell are you to decide who is notable, you ABSOLUTELY UNHEARD OF, BLITHERING NOBODY?

You invited me to edit a page and I did, so it is NOT "DISRUPTION"! If you don;t want it edited, DON'T MAKE IT EDITABLE!

My notability is verifiable on the Web, and off. I cited STARRRING in a American/Canadian film, in the very famous  "Amityville" series, and am noted in many places on the Web as its star.

I also cited several a major North American newspaper, the Montreal Gazette (founded by Benjamin Franklin, and the largest English language daily west of Toronto). You were also told that I have been a critic for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (but YOU wouldn't know what that is, you ignorant AMERICAN, WOULD YOU?).

I ALSO HAVE NUMEROUS OTHER MAJOR CREDITS, BUT HAVE NOT LISTED THEM.

Obviously, you are discriminating against prominent Canadians, because you can't be bothered doiong researching outside of the Internet, or your own, self-important *&*^$%ng country.

MY article was DISRUPTED by an "editor" who admits she, herself, was cautioned by Wikipedia.

Here's some news for you, *BInky*: Wikipedia is so "notable" it is NOT EVEN LISTED in the Britannica 2007.

Here's some more news: School children, EVERYWHERE, are warned of the general unreliability of Wikipedia, and so they should be, because it is run by wannabe editors like you, who can't find editing work outside of the virtual world.

Now, go collect your unemployment cheque (or "check", for ignorant rabble like yourself), and buzz the hell off.

G.F.Y.! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steindavida (talk • contribs) 00:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This Steindavida fellow has been indefblocked. Guess why? Adam Cuerden talk 14:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Goodna page and user Goodstone
Hi Mattinbgn, I noticed your contribution to User_talk:Goodstone and hoped you'd be able to help me, so here's the story: I made numerous minor edits to the Goodna, Queensland page and its talk page particularly trying to make the language more encyclopaedic - in my opinion it was far too promotional in nature. Goodstone reverted not only my changes but also my explanation of them on the talk page, claiming "politically motivated vandalism". I undid the revert because I believed it was obvious that a) the changes were not vandalism and b) Goodstone was "disagreeing by deletion", i.e. refused to discuss the issues and simply deleted my comments. I added a comment to Goodstone's user page outlining my arguments for the changes and my position on Goodstone deleting my comments in talk pages. Goodstone then reverted all of my changes and all my comments again. I have since re-added comments on the talk pages but have refrained, as yet, from again editing the Goodna page. Can you please give me advice on how to deal with this situation? Aj wp 10:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your advice and the helpful links. I've now made a small number of what I hope are uncontroversial changes to the Goodna page; hopefully people will start discussing rather than deleting. Thanks again. Aj wp 12:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

HQJOC
There's a problem with your "stub-sharpening" on Headquarters Joint Operations Command (Australia). Could you please review your edit? Thanks, Pdfpdf 01:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's considerably bluer than the previous one! Cheers, Pdfpdf 12:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the words of encouragement, I appreciate it. The only reason I wouldn't join an Australia-related wikiproject is that my knowledge of Australian places is very limited, so I feel that I wouldn't be able to contribute very much. I suppose I could help out in other areas of the wikiproject, though (I do the monthly newsletter for the U2 Wikiproject, of which I am a member). But I may consider joining in the future, perhaps over the summer school holidays when I'm not as busy. But thanks anyway for taking the time to show some wikilove :) Joelster 22:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Westside Church
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westside_Church I do not understand why a secondary source is necessary to keep this page from being deleted. I provided the website which surely should be credible enough. Not every church is famous enough to have a credible secondary source written about it available on the web. This does not mean the church is not notable. Are you saying that a church must be popular enough to have secondary source information to be included in a wiki?? That's ridiculous. Look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westside_Baptist_Church There is only a sentence on the topic and I don't see any citations for credible secondary sources, yet it has not been deleted. I think the article I wrote was fair and balanced and has no promotion or propoganda within it whatsoever. Please get back to me so I know what I've done wrong. Spillon 10:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, got your message. Does the Church Website qualify as a secondary source? Spillon 11:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok I found a secondary source. http://achurchesdirectory.com.au/directory/church.php?i=248&cn=westside-church Can you tell me if that's credible and could you help me out to where it should go? Spillon 11:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Melbourne-related categories
My idea was to provide an alternative and more comprehensive list of Melbourne categories than the "categorytree" at WikiProject_Melbourne. I'm not sure I understand the term "project space". Do you mean a subpage of WikiProject Melbourne. If so I have no objection. - Cuddy Wifter 23:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from BruceAnthro
This is a quick thanks for your welcome, your listing of useful pages for new contributors, and your encouragement to contribute.

I will indeed consider signing up to Australian wiki projects .. once I've got a better hang on how all works, and the sorts of contributions I can best make. Bruceanthro 01:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Sydney is new ACOTF
Hi Matt. You nominated Sydney for WP:ACOTF due to its recent loss of WP:GA status. It has been selected, so please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 13:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

CfRs for Media in the Northern Territory
Hi, I have merged your four nominations at CfD into group nomination: see Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 15, because the first category was a parent of the other three and the same action was requested in each case. This saves others from having to comment in four places, and saves work for the closing admin. Hope that's OK! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on Portarlington, Victoria
I was just checking if it's just me who's finding it impossible to revert the latest piece of vandalism on that page. I've tried reverting with TW and popups, and they both claim to have performed the action, but when I check the history it hasn't worked. Very odd behaviour. --Closedmouth 05:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, wow, that was a rookie mistake, I really wasn't paying attention there. Sorry for wasting you time :) --Closedmouth 06:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

AWF AfD
Mattinbgn, I think we need some more neutral contributions. I think everyone who has contributed so far - aside from you and me - is a part of the WikiProject Pro Wrestling and they are trying to protect a proverbial baby they think is worth it. It's not. I looked - there are no notable sources. Hybrid is completely missing the point and refuses to admit that a non appearance in the first couple of pages of a Google search reflects on notability.

If you can (and are allowed) could you get some more wrestling people without the Project bias to have a look? I'm pretty sure if we did we can get a strong consensus to delete the article - as I believe it should be. ' !! Just a Punk !! ' 09:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I had a feeling you weren't allowed (to canvas). I wasn't sure. I just hope the deciding admin doesn't side with purely the votes. No way of telling that of course. Thanks for your support on my statements.  !! Just a Punk !!  09:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The Chaser
There wasn't an AfD tag at the time I deleted it - at that time, it was just a badly titled article with pretty much no content apart from the obvious. I've no issues with it being recreated in some sort of useful form. Rebecca 06:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply:Skydive westernport
It's really no problem that you put an AFD tag over the speedy. I know it will be better for establishing consensus (hopefully) than just a ton of speedies. (I would have done the same thing) SmileToday☺(talk to me, My edits) 01:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Riddell District Football League Logo.jpg)
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John Ilhan
Hi there. I noticed |your recent edits to John Ilhan. I don't want to argue with you, but I would've thought that his children's names would be notable enough to include in an article, as so many other Wikipedia articles on people have information about their family. I haven't reverted your edits, but if it's all the same to you I think they should be put back in (perhaps near the top of the article would be a more suitable position than in the 'Death' section. But if you don't want to that's fine with me also. Let me know anyway. Thanks, Joelster 00:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well as I said, if you want to keep the names out that's fine with me. Joelster 23:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Page Layout
Hi Mattinbgn, Thks for feedback. I am new to community. I am busy compiling history page for heritage property but struggling with technical detail on page... such as how to wrap text around images so to give article "smart" appearance. Any direction or coaching would be great. Cheers, Jeff. SouthamptonHomestead Jeff 10:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)SouthamptonHomestead

Response sent
Cheers Matt. I have responded to your recent request. Best wishes -- VS talk 11:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

words put into my mouth
Dear Mattinbgn,

This is just a note to inform you that at the discussion at Template talk:Infobox Australian Place my words were changed and my signature signed for me without my knowledge. You too were given a "vote" where you had written none. Please see the diff here:

Please see the note that I have left with the user in question here: User_talk:TheJosh. You may not feel the same way about this as I do, but I thought you should know.

I have also informed User:Orderinchaos.

Cheers, Witty Lama 11:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

OMG
OMG! I edited the Page on Proserpine, Queensland and you changed it! I was disscussing my views on the town FROM SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN IT!! What I wrote was the truth and if you dont like it DONT VISIT THE PAGE!! I will continue to edit the page back to what I believe it should be like! I dont care who you are but you obvisoulsy DONT LIVE IN THE TOWN other wise you would not describe it like what you have, you tosser! SCREW PROSERPINE!!

You don't know a thing!
Mattinbgn, You wouldn't say all those 'good' things about Proserpine without living near or in it. Wikipedia is about knowing the truth, not being ignorant! Do not re-post your rubbish again! You are a pathetic tosser. The mill is not fixed. It still 'rains' ash commonly. Don't make that assumption that they have fixed the problem. IT IS NOT FIXED! Proserpine is not a friendly town. People should be warned about that useless town.

You don't know anything you illiterate moron!

Go to hell! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.70.54 (talk) 11:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Riverina

 * Revisiting the article after some time it looks very good. We will get a lot of constructive criticism but I suspect nothing that can't be worked on - I won't be able to tackle anything major over the next few days though - even combining lead paras is a bit beyond me intellectually today - best wishes--Golden Wattle talk 00:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely no objection from me Matt. I will be happy to follow through with you as much as my 15 hour days allow.-- VS  talk 20:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Tasmanian State Primary Schools
Your User:Mattinbgn/Sandbox - Tasmanian State Primary Schools has been deleted so I have removed it completely. Kathleen.wright5 15:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Places of Heritage and other kinds of significance
I note your concern over the issue of 'local' significance in relation to a Brunswick South Primary School, which has been disproven by the URL already contained in the article to the Australian Heritage Association. It may well be that your 'local' golf club has a greater significance than you currently assign it also. Cheers. Eyedubya 00:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)