User talk:Mattximus

Lists of municipalities in provinces of Spain
Hi, Matxximus. I'm a great fan of your work on lists of municipalities of places all over the world. I was wondering if maybe you could help me improve the lists for Spanish provinces. I've seen already that you put some work into the List of municipalities in Albacete, for instance. The population for each municipality is updated every year on the Nomenclátor: Población del Padrón Continuo and is then uploaded to Wikidata. If there were to be a template similar to this here on the English Wikipedia, then we would get rid of a significant amount of work when it comes to keep the list updated. Furthermore, specific links can be created as references for each municipality (this for the first on the list, Abengibre) and then we would only need to update the date on the header. (See this, with the updated population and the specific reference.) Let me know your thoughts, please. Thanks in advance! Alavense (talk) 07:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Alavense! I'm happy to take a look, I am busy for this week but should be free next week. For the main municipality lists I always encourage official censuses results, and the trend between them (I believe Spain does one every 10 years?), estimates could go in individual municipality pages. But this is just my opinion. It would make it easier to pass featured list nomination if that is of interest to you. Official census results are more "encyclopedic" than estimates, which are usually only used if there are no official census data. Would you like to collaborate on Albacete? Mattximus (talk) 23:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd love to collaborate on this, for sure. It would be nice if we could set the standard for these kinds of lists for Spain and then replicate it for other provinces once the province of Albacete is done. I agree with you that it's better to use censuses, given that it would be a bit weird to compare census data to padrón data. From what I gather from this, the census was carried out every ten years, but it has now become an annual thing. Which year should we include in the first column? 2021 or 2023? There are also flags, coats of arms and even maps for each municipality. Should we add columns for that or is it a bit too much? You'll let me know. Thank you very much, Alavense (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Alavense: Yes creating a really good first list makes a nice standard from which to copy quite easily. I like what you have done to the List of municipalities in Albacete, the whole page looks great. In a few days I can make some suggestions to the explanatory paragraph that I know will come up in the featured list nomination. I actually think the table looks great as is (although last three rows are not complete yet), I would save the mini-maps and flags for the actual municipal page. This list is a nice portal to all the individual pages where we can go into more details. I think I need to research the census situation, does Spain actually do a full count every year? That seems hard to believe, but if it's true we should use the most up-to-date census data. If it's just estimates or partial censuses, then sticking with the 2021 would give a nice reliable overview of how the population is changing. I'm looking forward to some collaboration and maybe co-nominating for featured list? Mattximus (talk) 02:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Alavense! Having looked it up, I think we should use the latest annual census data for the first column, and the decennial census for the second column for comparison purposes, with the caveat that they be at least 5 years apart to show a reasonable trend. So 2023 and 2011 seems like a good combination that you have already, but is the 2023 the annual census or is it just an estimate? I think once we get the 2026 data, we can safely remove the 2011 census column and replace with 2021 census. Do you agree? I will start on rewording the lead to make it specific to this province, but the template can be adjusted for other provinces. I've added a few citation needed tags that will be needed, and there are a few sentences that are not clear (what is pooled together mean?). Let me know what you think! Mattximus (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with that. From what I've read, the census is now carried out on an annual basis, so if you give me the go ahead, I'll replace the padrón information (which follows different methods and thus gets slightly different results) with the one provided by the most recent census (2023). Regarding the text, I didn't write any of it, it was already there when I started to work on the table. Maybe we could give it a bath so that it has some meaningful information about how municipalities work in Spain and also some stats about the municipalities in each province (Albacete in this case). We'd also need to find sources to support the info about comarcas, but it can sometimes be a bit shady. Cheers! Alavense (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds good Alavense, replacing the estimates with most recent census makes a lot of sense. Doing that, and completing of the last three rows would complete the table, with just the lead to work on. I did a first pass, and there seems to be good info/sources in Municipalities of Spain. I will try to work more on the lead over the next few days. But once we get the table sorted we can work on other tables for the other provinces if you like. We can only nominate one list at a time in the featured list nomination anyway. It would be ideal, but not necessary for that municipalities map to be labelled somehow, but with so many municipalities I don't know how that could be done. Mattximus (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I will do that tomorrow and maybe we can also mention in the prose something about how the census is now carried out annually. I will let you know when it's done. Thank you very much! Alavense (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I've now updated the population for every municipality. We should decide which sources we are going to use for the land area of both the autonomous community and Spain itself. And I'm still not sure which source would be suitable for the comarcas, but I'll keep searching for one. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi :) Do you think we could have a look at this? Kind regards! Alavense (talk) 13:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Would love to! I'm done my work in 1 week and can look into it then. Mattximus (talk) 21:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thank you very much. Alavense (talk) 07:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Mattximus. Hope everything is going fine. I've given the prose a bath and everything is now supported by sources in List of municipalities in Albacete. It would be great if you could have a look at it and correct anything that is wrong with my English, though. I would also like to get your thoughts on these: Let me know if there's anything else I should do. Thank you very much in advance, Alavense (talk) 08:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd happily scrap the column with the comarcas. I haven't been able to find a source which supports which comarca each municipality belongs to. I don't think it's that important, either.
 * I don't particularly like the source which has been used to support the land area for each municipality. I've been told that either the Nomenclátor Geográfico de Municipios y Entidades de Población by the Centro Nacional de Información Geográfica or this by Eurostat would be nice.
 * I'm also unsure about the title of the list, although I see it is the way it's been done with all the provinces. As you can see in the Spanish list, when the province has the same name as the capital city (and that's the case for most of the provinces), it's common to refer to the city by its name and to the province as "province of X". Do you reckon we should discuss renaming these lists? It's also the way it's done in Commons.
 * Alavense this is excellent work. I made a few minor tweaks.
 * Do comarca's have any role in municipal government? The wikipage for them says they do in some provinces, does that hold true here? If not yeah it can be deleted, but if it does have administrative function we should keep it.
 * The source for land you have isn't bad at all, but yes the first one you mentioned would be better I would think. However I think both would pass featured list as they are both government sources.
 * I don't mind the name "List of municipalities in Albacete" as the city doesn't have municipalities so there is no confusion. I'm also open to shortening it to "Municipalities of Albacete", but for ease of editing I suggest leaving it as is, but if it comes up in featured list review we can change it then.
 * One issue I see, is that you say "a law was passed" but need to say the name of the law.
 * I think this is ready to go through featured list review! They will provide a lot of feedback on wording as the lead is still a bit convoluted but definitely fixable during the peer review. Did you want to nominate yourself or do a joint nomination? I'll support you either way. Mattximus (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your edits. So...:
 * There are historical comarcas everywhere, but Castilla-La Mancha has not passed what's called a comarcalization law, so comarcas haven't got any administrative purposes there. Anyway, you could find diffent comarcas with different arrangements depending on the source. I'd be happy to scrap them. They are not mentioned in any of the lists of the other provinces in the autonomous community either. I'll get rid of them, then.
 * I will amend the land area with the figures provided by the Centro Nacional de Información Geográfica.
 * No problem with the title, then.
 * The name of the law is "Ley 7/1985, de 2 de abril, Reguladora de las Bases del Régimen Local". How should I include that? Could you please help me with the wording?
 * Regarding the nomination, I'd be very happy if you did it. It would be an honour to be a co-nominator alongside you. Let me amend those things and I'll let you know as soon as it's done.
 * Thanks a lot for your patience and your willingness to help me. :) Cheers! Alavense (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * All done. It's looking better now with a source we can use for every single municipality in Spain, no matter what the province is. As far as I know, we are only missing that bit about the name of the law that was passed. Alavense (talk) 16:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Alavense looks great! I'll do one final pass and we will co-nominate together. Once we get the first one done, the others will be quite a bit easier. I will aim to look at it tonight or tomorrow. Mattximus (talk) 17:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! I am looking forward to this first nomination. I'm sure the list will benefit from other points of view as well. I'm already working on another province and, as soon as we get the feedback for this one, I'll incorporate the improvements, so that we can keep moving forward. Thank you very much for your support. We'll keep in touch. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

List of cities in Donetsk Oblast FLN nom
Hi Mattximus, hope you're doing well! Please take a look at List of cities in Donetsk Oblast (and List of cities in Luhansk Oblast if you have the time) and let me know if my edits address your suggestions and if you're ready to support now. Thanks! Dan the Animator 02:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

More municipalities
Hi, Mattximus. I've already updated the other four lists of municipalities in the autonomous community of Castilla-La Mancha. If the first nomination goes right, I'll only have to incorporate the text and the maps with the amendments and they will all be ready to undergo the process as well. Next week, I'll begin to work on the provinces of another autonomous community to try and keep it all going. I'll reach you for comments and suggestions as soon as another list is ready. Thanks in advance! Alavense (talk) 16:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)