User talk:Mattythewhite/Archive 36

User:Efc1878
Hi Matty. I'm involved in a bit of an edit war with User:Efc1878 over something simple as timestamps. What can be done about this user who appears not to be able to grasp the concept of correct timestamps? Do I keep reverting them or report them? Mórtas is Dóchas (talk) 20:20, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's really not worth engaging in an edit war over this. I'd bring it up for discussion. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:26, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok. Can you point me towards where I'd be able to discuss this? Thanks. Mórtas is Dóchas (talk) 20:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You could try leaving a message on their talk page, or start a thread at WT:FOOTY? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:32, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've left a good few messages on their talk page already explaining about timestamps and he (guessing it's a male) has been adding the correct timestamps over the last few days. However, he has reverted me when I tried changing the international timestamps which were incorrect. I'll bring it up at WT:FOOTY I suppose. I still haven't joined the project yet, must do that now! Mórtas is Dóchas (talk) 20:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Matty. Basically whenever I amend stats in a page I add a new timestamp on the material day when the matches were taken place. I think my contributions to the Everton FC page and the players can show I contributed a great deal week in week out, hoping to give the best for the club and wiki. I urge you to give me the chance to manage the Everton FC page. Kindly consider it I am a dedicated Evertonian myself. Thank you for your consideration. Efc1878 (User talk:Efc1878) 21:48, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the work you put in to update stats, but we *all* need to do things by the book. Per Template:Infobox football biography, we are instructed to insert "A timestamp  at which the player's infobox club statistics are correct".  My reading of that is that the timestamp should reflect the time and date the update was made, which is not necessarily the same as the date the match was played. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Matty...In frank I do believe some people are winding others up. When I spent my time amending statistics and adding contents to the pages they did not do anything straightforward. So after I have done my hard work, some people just appear suddenly and change the timestamp, picking on minor details which something the mods may not do that often. I have to point out my stats and info contributing to the pages are indeed genuine. The season I put the timestamp is that way because there is nothing regarding stats can be updated since the last match day. Hope you understand my concern. Cheers.Efc1878 (User talk:Efc1878) 22:26, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't winding you up. I was changing the nationalteam-update parameters to the correct timestamp. Timestamps reflect the time and date the update was made, not necessarily the date the match was played. What do you not understand about that? Mórtas is Dóchas (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Matty, may I suggest a consensus for this argument. The past amendments remain as my edition as I have spent a lot of time on them. From today, I will put the timestamp on the day I edit the page. Kindly consider. Cheers.Efc1878 (User talk:Efc1878) 22:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Mórtas is Dóchas started a discussion at WT:FOOTY, which you are welcome to contribute to. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:58, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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FA Youth Cup
Is the FA Youth Cup a major honour? Saw it listed for some players (Lingard etc) but not for others (Pogba etc). Was thinking of adding it to Pogba and others but thought I should ask first KnavishGlobe786 (talk) 17:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's notable enough for inclusion in an honours section, providing it's sourced of course. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:06, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Marc Bartra
Time to protect Marc Bartra, too much patrolling/reverting needed now. JMHamo (talk) 18:41, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Lee Hodges
sources http://greensonscreen.co.uk/gosdb-players2.asp?pid=400&scp=1,2,3,4,5,6,7 http://www.plymouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=107397 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/plymouth_argyle/7294815.stm

I've done my best- add or disregard. What i put is correct though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.198.202.10 (talk) 20:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You're more than welcome to add them to the article. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Michael Dawson
I have a couple of questions about your last edit on Dawson's article, you removed the citations from the top of the article in the few intro paragraphs, which I added their to show and clarify those points there, I know you moved around the citations, but I thought it was better the way I had before, so I was curious why you removed those citations from the first few paragraphs. It you look at David Beckhams article, which I wanted to get the standard towards because I consider that a good article it clearly has citations in the top paragraphs.

Also, some of the citations cover parts in the article which you went and added needs citation when you reworked it, in effect you changed it around removing the citation for some specific parts, for instance, in his Forest career, there was a clear citation for play-offs for season 2002-03, you change it around and added it needs citation when it didn't need that before. Then you went and removed why Dawson and his team mate were transferred from Forest to Spurs, to the Tottenham section loosing what I would call cohesion from the Forest section.

I don't want to be rude, but I felt you made the article a little poorer in quality to what it was. So maybe you could review your work and have another look at the article. Cheers, Govvy (talk) 09:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi. I removed the citations from the lead per WP:LEADCITE, namely "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material".  I don't feel the references I removed were citing potentially challengeable content.
 * I presume you are referring to the sentence "During the 2002–03 season, Dawson formed a solid partnership with veteran Des Walker as Forest finished sixth in the First Division to enter the play-offs"? Actually, most of the content in that sentence (barring entering the play-offs) is entirely uncited in the article.  The reference used prior to my edits made *no* mention of Des Walker or finishing sixth.
 * Disagree, the primary purpose of my update was to copyedit poor prose, which I feel I succeeded at, while adding some citation needed tags where necessary. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 13:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't know about the WP:Leadcite thing, hmm, anyway I put a fair bit of work on the article awhile back to try and improve it, I don't know how it can be copyedit when it was mostly my own writing, but then again, I only got a D for my English GCSE!! Btw Happy Easter, Passover, ect. :) Govvy (talk) 13:32, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You too! Mattythewhite (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Please stop removing historical context from Benitez page.
Wondering why you insist on removing historical context from page on Rafael Benitez? My edits improved the page. You even removed corrections that fixed grammatical errors. I could understand if you removed certain changes but kept others but to simply continue reverting to a previous edit is unusual.

Re historical context: Many football manager's pages refer to the prior history of the club; see Brian Clough and Kenny Dalglish to name but two. Things happen within a historical environment - to remove that lessens one's understanding of a subject.

Please reread my edits. I've accepted some of the changes you suggested. Similarly, I could understand if you accepted some and rejected others but to simply reject all - particularly when they provide numerous links - does not make sense to me.


 * You're adding unsourced content, most of which falls foul of WP:NPOV. Statements like "another short, disastrous appointment" are not encyclopedic. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I changed that. I accepted that the word "disastrous" could be seen as inflammatory. But that his reign was short is beyond doubt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omahonyjason (talk • contribs) 20:14, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Apparent vandalism to EFL articles
Hello Matty, several pages (E.g. 2017–18 National League as well as L1 & L2) have come in for a great deal of IP attention in the last 2 days this editor seems to be the current main 'offender' but going back on the pages prior to their edits, there seem to be other IPs involved also. I think they need stopping. Thanks, Regards, Eagleash (talk) 18:42, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Ralph Ali
I sited a source on how Navas now plays right back please do not change my edits  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralphster7 (talk • contribs) 08:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

D10S
Please do not revert the changes I did at D10S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.37.15.214 (talk) 23:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If you hadn't have messaged me, I wouldn't have even noticed your changes! Mattythewhite (talk) 23:42, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Someone else reverted it.
 * Okay? Mattythewhite (talk) 16:17, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Georges Santos
I know Georges personally, he asked me to make the changes for him. Please restore the changes i made, as you have now made his page out of date and incorrect. I don't know what "citation" you would like me to input, maybe something like "Georges told me what to put via whatsapp from France" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinhead420 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Page fix
Hi User:Mattythewhite, can you add some info to Maiorana article please, and the links might have to be removed, I don't want to make mistakes on article, but I'm fair sure you can help, thanks if you can.--Theo Mandela (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Steven Defour
Hello Matty,

i'll just never get my head around the fact there seems to be a need to have BOTH a publisher and work/newspaper in refs. But that's just me, not lambasting any WP rules or anything.

That said, article was improved and that is all that matters. Attentively, sorry for any inconvenience. --85.242.133.151 (talk) 16:55, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Craig Eastmond
Thanks for the clear revert edit summary. Since I systematically look at a lot of articles for citation cleanup work (how I also edited on Craig Eastmond), I also check other things like if relevant templates should be added (stub, reference issues, etc), and recently have also started looking if the talk page was ready and for stray comments left at the top of talk pages. I have read the talk page template documentation after your revert and you are right, so I have stopped adding those. —░] PaleoNeonate █ ⏎ ? ERROR ░ 01:34, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Can we get some input in resolving an edit dispute?
Hello Mattythewhite. I am hoping that you can lend some assistance. Me and user GiantSnowman need assistance in resolving an edit dispute concerning the kit section that was in the Nigerian national football team article. He removed it citing WP:NOTGALLERY. I disagree with his interpretation and I have shared my reasons on the talk page at WikiProject Football. We request the input of members of this project in order to resolve this issue. Your assistance would be appreciated if you have the time. Thanks! unak  1978  17:53, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Wood
Chris woods got 26 league goals so why change Anonymous Feasby (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Because you didn't bother to update the infobox timestamp, and you didn't update the table fully. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Do it yourself then oh mighty one 🙌🏼 Praise be upon you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous Feasby (talk • contribs) 16:32, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Lol. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Mistake
Hello. While I was logging in I saw a new message on the page of my IP address (User talk:170.24.146.2). I never edited Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain either logged in or logged out. I'm not sure why my IP address was listed. Thanks. RES2773 (talk) 12:11, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If you check that IP's contributions, you'll see there was indeed an edit made to Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Miguel Vítor
Even if sourced, that second individual thingy sure does not look like a proper honour, does it? If you do not wish to reply again and perform any action in the article, at least please leave an edit summary so I understand exactly what happened wiki-wise.

Attentively, thanks in advance --85.242.133.151 (talk) 17:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure if whether competition Teams of the Week are deemed notable, but I know I wouldn't personally include them. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:08, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm all for their removal too, I would do it myself with the pertinent summary, it's just I am getting a little fed up of making perfectly valid edits that vastly improve the articles' state only to receive a note in the edit summary reading "possible BLP issue or vandalism". If I removed ref'd content (even if not necessary for that matter), I know that is what is bound to happen. Sometimes it's even worse, my edit in Jon Ander Serantes did not even merit a note of that kind in the edit summary and still I was reverted (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jon_Ander_Serantes&diff=777633730&oldid=777633593)!

Of course, things that could very well be avoided if I still possessed my account, Nobody's Fault but Mine... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.133.151 (talk) 20:07, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

CW STATS
On stats of Cauley Woodrow why do you keep changing them back to incorrect stats? Global3318 (talk) 21:41, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Because you're not updating the timestamp and the table date. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:54, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Millwall page
Should you not add protection on it? It seems to be going through a bit of an edit war! Govvy (talk) 18:34, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Tony Adams
Howdy, happy to add a reference to the section, I've one page that provide a reference for all of the personal honours in the list, how can I go about adding this to all of them? Out of interest, how come say Thierry Henry doesn't have a reference for his honours? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spoonhound (talk • contribs) 15:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

190.131.81.231
Hi,

Would you mind keeping an eye on this IP's edits (or block them now, again...)? They've continued their disruptive editing after two of your previous blocks. 172.56.42.186 (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Villa Park
The UEFA rating is always in the caption section. There is no reason to revert it. Thanks, WikiImprovment78 (talk) 22:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

FA Trophy
Congrats on the win. Hope it makes up for the relegation in some way... Number  5  7  17:10, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ta. Not for me, couldn't even bring myself to go, but I suppose it's a bit of extra cash for the coffers. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Luis Enrique (footballer)
Are you going to continue?????? The edits I made are right, there you have a reliable source. So now???????? WTF???? Luis Enrique is leaving at the end of the season, duh!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.38.240.118 (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And the season is still in progress, silly! Mattythewhite (talk) 18:51, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Kyle Naughton: Career Stats
Hello, I am 86.152.141.212. I would like to query about this edit by me and the next one made by Govvy.

The one I made was fixing a few mathematical errors and removed one of the 'Total' rows as I believe that they are used for the same club for at least two seasons. Plus, I think it was right to replace the Middlesbrough stats for the domestic cups to "–" as the player wasn't at the club when they participated and they were knocked out before he joined them on loan.

18 minutes later, the user Govvy reverted my edit with the comment "Rv, your changes you made don't add up at all," and before I made my edit, I used a computer program called Excel to verify that there has been a few mis-calculations.

Having a look at other articles such as Paul McShane's and Dwight Gayle's, they show the proper way to display the stats which Kyle Naughton does not. Therefore I believe that what I did was correct and the recent revert was the wrong action to take.

Thank you, 86.152.141.212 (talk) 23:13, 20 May 2017 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? You took out the middle subtotal row and because of that you messed up the data, when you removed that you didn't take into account recalculating the lower subtotal row before the final total row, which completely messed up the statistics totals in the final subtotal row. Govvy (talk) 23:28, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstand, Govvy. The subtotals are for multiple season spells with one club, not as an aid in calculating the career total.  The correct layout, as agreed by consensus, can be found at WP:FOOTY/Players. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:38, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That adds up know, what that IP did didn't add up at all. Govvy (talk) 23:42, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Matty, anyway, I split the table so Swansea has it's own subtotal as to separate that from the Tottenham loan spells, if you look back you will see that the totals added up combined Spurs loan spells with Swansea stats and I didn't think that was right, as you said above "subtotals are for multiple season spells with one club" that was my goal. Govvy (talk) 00:04, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I have seen the WP:FOOTY/Players and it is clear to me that what I did would be correct which includes replacing the 0's with –'s on the domestic cups for Middlesbrough on this season 2009–10. I have also noticed that in earlier versions the first row titles Total shows the addition of the numbers from Tottenham stats only.

86.152.141.212 (talk) 10:14, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Matty, ffs look at the 3rd subtotal row, league games don't add up, nor goals nor anything else for the 3 loan spells from Tottenham, subtotal rows must be between clubs, there for you messed it up by not having a subtotal row after the three loan spells at Bro, Leics and Norwich. It's a much worse table now since you changed it, it's horrible. Swansea U23 is stupid having that on it's own row, you can combine that single stat into the main team with footnote like I had done. And each subtotal row must add up to the total row. It's a very very poor now. Either fix it or I will revert to the system I had before. Govvy (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Jeez, if you hate it that much then take it up at WT:FOOTY, and argue for the consensus to be changed. How I am supposed to "fix it" when it now meets the guideline to a tee I don't know! And using terms like "ffs", "horrible" and "stupid" really won't help your case.  Mattythewhite (talk) 19:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And by "3rd subtotal row" I presume you mean the Swansea subtotal? It does indeed add up. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not to the general reader it won't, if they look at the table it looks like it should be including the loans, but it's not doing that. Govvy (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure, as the subtotal is located directly beside the Swansea section. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Removing my update
I just wanted to question the reasoning as to why you removed my update on the page of Ben Davies. Unless you can tell me that something within my update was incorrect I don't see why it were needed that it were removed. I appreciate that you would want a source/link but I was at the game today and witnessed it with my own eyes. If someone that wants to look in to my paragraph I'm sure they can do their own research and watch the goal themselves Yidarmy10 (talk) 20:15, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

I know and I said I appreciate that, but I have previously updated other pages with out a citation so was wondering why this was the case for this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yidarmy10 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit because Davies has scored one league goal for Spurs, not two. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:10, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

St. Mary's Stadium
Hi, It is well-known locally that Fratton Park is a much better stadium that St. Mary's Stadium so that's why I made the edit. I will be making that edit again. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:C877:D500:4408:2143:2341:5E30 (talk) 22:14, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Bassett 72
Bassett 72 is at it again with unsourced Tunbridge Wells Rangers stats here. Beatpoet (talk) 13:09, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Ernesto Valverde
Mattythewhite, could you please help me and write in the page Ernesto Valverde he is already at FC Barcelona?? Source: http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/valverde-trabaja-para-barca-6054611Jjgonzalezp2006 (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosin_Adarabioyo
Hello, Mattywhite. I'm newbie in editing of wiki, so I hope, that I'm posting in a right place this answer to your message.

I've added category "English people of Nigerian descent" to the Tosin Adarabioyo wiki-page, because his brother, Fisayo Adarabioyo has been mentioned to be nigerian on his wiki-page. I found it logically right ). Thank you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisayo_Adarabioyo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumanya (talk • contribs) 22:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

"As of match played..."
Hi

I noticed on Luke Shaw's page you changed the "as of match played" dates to the last games played by Man Utd and England, as opposed to the last games played by Shaw. I'm pretty sure it was correct as it was so I changed it back but if I'm wrong just let me know.

--Stuart1234 (talk) 21:19, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, until recently I was setting the dates to the last match played by the player, but have since learned that the preferred option is the last match by the team. That way, readers won't be left wondering if the player hasn't played or whether the stats just haven't been updated. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:39, 23 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Ugh, I preferred the way it was because now you'll have to update these dates for every single player in the squad even if they haven't played...but I'll go along with whatever is preferred so can you link me to where you learned this please? I think in this style it would be better to say "as of match played by Manchester United(/England) on..." to make it clear it refers to the last game by club or country.--Stuart1234 (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

 * Sure thing! :) Mattythewhite (talk) 19:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Me and my hunches...
Apologies to you and User:Struway2, indeed i should know better... Sorry for any inconvenience, enjoy your Saturday --85.242.133.151 (talk) 21:03, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Alex oxlade chamberlain
Please stop removing information from the Alex Oxlade Chamberlain page about his assist and MOTM in the FA Cup semi final. I think that the Assist and Man Of The Match Award against Manchester City in the FA Cup Semifinal in 2017 MUST be included as it was important to the game. How is that 'Trivial information87.75.65.153 (talk) 21:12, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * When did I say it was "trivial"? I removed it because it was unsourced. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Mesut Özil
Hi. Could you take a look at Talk:Mesut Özil? An IP is being disruptive (in my mind) and not sure what to do. Qed237&#160;(talk) 15:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Dominic Solanke
Hi Matty, could you please keep an eye on Dominic Solanke. Reports of a move to Liverpool in the press. Lots of anon edits. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Will do, I'll semi-protect if need be. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:20, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Craig Shakespeare
I just want to make this clear about the stats on Craig Shakespeare- I edited it using the IP 86.184.39.187 thinking that a spell as caretaker and the current spell as first team manager would be separate spells in the stats table. Perhaps I should have thought twice by looking at another manager's stats who has been caretaker and first-team manager at the same club before editing it twice. I now understand about this and the reverted action you did yesterday and I won't do this to any other manager's stats. 86.185.127.96 (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Bits and pieces
1 - Slaviša Jokanović: so, we can't link NO countries at all, regardless of how "exotic" and outdated they are? I am asking this completely out of curiosity without any agenda, i honestly do not not know the rule;

2 - Just been cleaning Pedro Caixinha up, has been subjected to gut-wrenching vandalism since joining Rangers; his compatriot Bruno Alves has all but pratically signed with club, article was protected one week or so and, IMMEDIATELY after the protection was lifted, the vandalism resumed! What are these "people" thinking of?

Attentively --85.242.133.151 (talk) 00:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We are encouraged to not link to major geographic locations, regardless of historical context.
 * I'll keep an eye on the article. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:24, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! My new account, by the way (hopefully the LAST, geez get a life AL :)). Regarding said account, what gives? I don't seem to be able to edit... --Quite A Character (talk) 18:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't see any restrictions on your account. Are you still not able to edit? Mattythewhite (talk) 19:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

It seems all is OK in the editing department now, only my userpage is not displaying yet (note: i asked GiantSnowman to see if he could reinstate my previous user page, he has already done it once). --Quite A Character (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Gary Cahill
Hello Mathew, During your recent blocking of the user Uebelhoer, you undid the revision of Gary Cahill being captain of Chelsea Football Club. You did this due to no source, but as it says he is the vice captain of CFC, there is no source, so if you believe that there needs to be a source, please add one, since your are obviously a very, very, experienced editor.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:C401:7F70:4D15:945B:DAFC:5B4A (talk) 21:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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Shinji Okazaki: Important to consider this
I have noticed that someone from the IP address 209.130.141.79 who made this edit but they have not updated it properly. This makes me confused as to if the international table is telling the truth or if there has been a miscalculation. Also I have noticed the info box is not up to date either possibly because the IP user has not updated that either.

That should be taken into consideration the next time something like this happens and it probably has happened in the past and it probably will happen again.

86.152.141.250 (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

More miscellaneous
1 - Taking the example of the Pablo Calandria: again, how does one go about deleting (or proposing they are put up for deletion) the O'Higgins templates seen below in his article? At WP:FOOTY? Elsewhere? Man, that's a "sore for sight eyes" (intentional swap)!

2 - At least in Álvaro Morata, constantly: after months of operating anon (here, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.20.221.14), User talk:YZPEDIA continues to remove runner-up honours in player's articles. I'm not going to go in whether they count or not (for me they do as medals are awarded, but I see that after 30,00000 WP:FOOTY discussions some people still argue they do not count, only wins), but to remove - time and time again - stuff that's sourced without one word of explanation is not very A.O.K, is it?

3 - This just in! Danish punk has returned removing B-clubs in box (as well as a FULL SEASON loan!!), have a look at Alan Osório da Costa Silva... Pityful!

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 10:42, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Don't know if you missed the message or not. In case you did not, no block (and i know it's not possible to indef block IPs, but i have seen them blocked for up to three years)? This idiot is clearly not here to help out.

About item #1, don't worry, i'll take it (again) to WP:FOOTY. --Quite A Character (talk) 18:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't know for certain myself whether there is a definitive consensus re runners-up as honours. Regardless, I agree removing sourced content without an explanation is not right.
 * 3) IP warned. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Regarding item #2 (still with Morata as example), they seem to have "given birth" to another account, User:Enejwnjwjwjwjwk, removing the honours and writing an "interesting" summary: "ADDED some information"... --Quite A Character (talk) 01:05, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * On top of doing what he does to boxes, the Norwegian vandal extraordinaire continues to (NOT) PC update, as seen here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andr%C3%A9_Silva_(footballer)&diff=784715318&oldid=784564340)... --Quite A Character (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Slaven Bilić
Why do you remove content from the page? If it is unsourced, add "citation needed" don't remove it, and if in given time people don't add sources then I will remove it myself. Is that ok? Don't just remove content arbitrarily please. Thanks --Tuvixer (talk) 13:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Because it is unsourced, which you already knew. Why do I have to add CN tags?  People shouldn't go around adding unsourced prose and stats tables willy-nilly, this is an encyclopedia which has standards to maintain. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:39, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Jordan Pickford article
Hi Mattythewhite. Yesterday I added references to previously unreferenced information in the article and made various updates, including removing a lot of duplicate links. Various edits were made after that by others, but I feel confident my last edit brought the article to an improved standard. Would you mind if we revert the article back to my last edit? Many thanks, --LegereScire (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry about that, I threw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater there. I've now restored the content you added. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 13:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

How do I find the beginners tutorial please
As I would like to learn how to edit and provide proof better as I only no the basic and can only provide information witch I no to be the truth Jerome Jones27 (talk) 17:52, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, you could try WP:RS and WP:V for more information on how to cite your additions. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Late but true
Punk that keeps destroying Luis Rubiales' page has returned. To add insult to injury, he now added TWITTER and FBOOK profiles to several players. Can you please help out and revert the pages i have not?

Speaking of "reverting", how come i cannot rollback when i was supposed to have that feature (not pouting or anything, just a polite/technical question)? Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 19:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've issued a L1 warning for adding unsourced content.
 * Your account doesn't have rollback rights. You can make a request to be assigned them at WP:PERM/R. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Stephen Kenny
Matty, I know Stephen Kelly personally and have permission from him to use the extract. Please feel free to contact him to validate. I am a long time school friend of his — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irish factoids (talk • contribs) 07:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Come off it, your edits are blatant vandalism. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Bruno Pereira
Hi, can you have a look at, , this guy just adding some made up player, Bruno Pereira to dozens of articles. Threeohsix (talk) 09:59, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Steven Davis
Can you explain why David Beckham can have his OBE after his name in his infobox, but Steven Davis can't? 89.225.209.84 (talk) 20:07, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * AFAIK it's standard practice to only place honours after the subject's name in prose, and not in an infobox. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:22, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. 77.130.195.16 (talk) 15:47, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

(Another)motive for concern
This user, which does not PC update to save their life in spite of several warnings, has now taken it up a notch, as seen here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Airam_L%C3%B3pez&diff=786599828&oldid=784677291)... The player leaves his club, and they REMOVE the fact he played there in box?!

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Warned for unexplained removal of content. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Raul Meireles
I'm french so sorry if you may don't understand ! My informations are true. At his debut at Desportivo Aves, he played 16 games and not 18 Meireles on national-football-teams.com. Meireles never score a goal in the UCL 2007-08 : see here Meireles on soccerway.com. The National Cup games for Porto are good but the man who did the stats is not a calculating machine. Count on yourself and you will see the mistake : Meireles played 15 times in National Cup for 3 goals but it is written that he played 20 games... Concerning Chelsea, he did not play his 6 matchs during the 2011-12 on the League Cup but FA Cup competition : Meireles on espnfc.com. So, do you believe me now ?? --Joan Benvegnu (talk) 18:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Your figures don't add up, though. For example, Aves in 2001–02: how can Meireles have made 18 league appearances, but only 16 in all competitions? Mattythewhite (talk) 11:29, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

(writing here because I have to weigh in on the matter)Anon, they reverted you again Matty. Well, I re-reverted :) Now, for something completely different; 1 - inquiring about my "rollback possibilities", I wrote where you directed me to (here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback), was the only user in the ENTIRE page to not receive one single word of feedback, "interesting"; 2 - since I had the last account and until I created this new one, has the "e-mail this user" feature disappeared? I can't find it in users' pages anymore.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 09:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Might be worth mentioning you have edited before setting up your current account, so the admin making a decision knows you're more experienced than the age of your account suggests?
 * 2) "Email this user" still appears for me. You should be able to see it on my talk page? Mattythewhite (talk) 13:58, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

1) i see, will drop the pertinent note in; 2) nope, can't see a thing :( Might be a question of altering my preferences? --Quite A Character (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Did as suggested, still no feedback whilst others after my report have already been attended. Fair enough... --Quite A Character (talk) 20:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Jeremy Corbyn - Glastonbury 2017

 * Official Jeremy Corbyn Channel (24 June 2017). "Jeremy Corbyn - Glastonbury 2017". Retrieved 25 June 2017 – via YouTube.
 * Guardian Wires (23 June 2017). "Glastonbury crowd chant 'Oh, Jeremy Corbyn' at silent disco". Retrieved 25 June 2017 – via YouTube.Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 16:51, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Did you know....
That York City have never faced West Ham out of the current Premier League line-up... (26 June 2017) That Swansea City were the last team in the current Premier League line-up to face York City in all competitions... (26 June 2017) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.147.33 (talk) 21:32, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Um... okay? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I do like those interesting facts this user has researched so that is okay to me. 86.152.141.191 (talk) 11:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Groovy! Mattythewhite (talk) 11:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Henry Onyekuru
Hello Matty, could you please revert and semi-protect Henry Onyekuru, deal has not been confirmed. Thank you JMHamo (talk) 18:06, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Mario Mandzukic
Hi there it is only now that I have come across your note. All I did was to add information from the German wikipedia entry on MM. I have not any references I could add. On the other hand, I think that references only need to be added for information that is contested i.e. DOB etc. do not require references. But maybe i was wrong? Streifenleopard (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Eder (Portuguese footballer)
We may be facing a real problem here (by the way, the anon user reverted you, and I reverted them). In spite of the SUBJECT HIMSELF saying in an interview (source #2, here http://expresso.sapo.pt/desporto/2016-07-26-Ola-eu-sou-o-Eder--nao-ponham-acento-que-nao-e-fixe--e-esta-e-a-minha-historia) he does not like it when they call him "ÉDER", they proceeded to add ref after ref to prove otherwise (those included Transfermarkt and Zerozero - user-generated - and... his PT.WIKI entry!).

You have been briefed, attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 12:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye out. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:56, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Sourcing Garry Thompson
I am new to Wikipedia and do not know how to source. You removed perfectly correct information from the article I edited. Find proof of information below:

https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2017/june/garry-thompson-signs/

If you could so kindly re edit this I would be grateful @Anonymlancs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymlancs (talk • contribs) 14:16, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Antonio Rüdiger
Hello Matty, could you please semi-protect Antonio Rüdiger... Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Semi-protected for one week. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - July 2017
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13:04, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Michael Coulson
Could you please provide a link to the discussion(s) which show that the Scottish Sun is not considered to be a reliable source for football transfers? Not that I think its content isn't usually alot of crap, but your claim that St Johnstone's own website is more factual is completely false, considering that both Danny Swanson and Tam Scobbie are still listed, two players who have already left to join their new clubs. Exxy (talk) 14:50, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any such discussion, but it's standard practice for the Sun to be used only sparingly for non-controversial content. Coulson signed for St Johnstone on a two-year contract, so unless his contract has been terminated since the end of last season he remains their player.  I can't find any source, on St Johnstone's website or elsewhere, that confirms this. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. In the meantime, I'll make sure to keep my eyes open for any announcement of his departure from McDiarmid Park. Exxy (talk) 20:27, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Chelsea F.C.
You removed my table displaying the periods at which certain sponsors were on the team shirt due to not sourcing the content. I get that I need to source certain stuff, especially on a big page, but it was just a visual representation of the information above? Do I need to use the same page as my source? --Bassan67 (talk) 11:00, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You could use the same source, providing it supports the content you're adding. But I don't think we don't need the sponsors in both prose and table format, wouldn't one or the other suffice? Mattythewhite (talk) 11:24, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Claudio Bravo
Check it again Hhthaifa wahidi (talk) 18:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Say, Niger
No point threatening to get me banned, I'll just make a new account like I always had. UsernamePolicySuck (talk) 18:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Who's a clever boy. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Rene Adler
Adler plays for Mainz. Today is July 1, so he is officially on Mainz. I DO NOT NEED a source for that.

Uebelhoer
 * why don't you? Mattythewhite (talk) 17:50, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Does every footballer in the world have a source for their team? Maybe you should make all players on wiki unattached for lack of sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uebelhoer (talk • contribs) 20:44, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * What a ridiculous thing to suggest. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Is it? Because obviously with your last Adler edit you seemed to "think" so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uebelhoer (talk • contribs) 05:09, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Page merge help
Hi. I need your help as an admin. User:Kov 93 moved Ferencvárosi TC to Ferencvárosi TC (football) and then he made a copy-and-paste creation of Ferencvárosi TC (sports club), which has since been expanded. Could you possibly merge Ferencvárosi TC and Ferencvárosi TC (sports club) to keep the page history intact? Qed237&#160;(talk)</i> 18:46, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

And should the articles really have been moved in the first place? <i style="font-family:Sans-serif"><b style="color:blue">Qed</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 18:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Any comments? It was a copy-and-paste move and User:Kov 93 is now show incorrectly as creator of article. <i style="font-family:Sans-serif"><b style="color:blue">Qed</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 14:12, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've not much experience cleaning up copy-and-paste moves, so I'll pass for fear of messing it up further. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:29, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you lend a hand? <i style="font-family:Sans-serif"><b style="color:blue">Qed</b><b style="color:red">237</b>&#160;<b style="color:green">(talk)</b></i> 20:24, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I've merged Ferencvárosi TC and Ferencvárosi TC (sports club). GiantSnowman 21:01, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Enner Valencia
The player arrived in Mexico and is going to be a new player for Tigres UANL. So I don't know why you trying to block me.. If the only thing I'm doing is reading the info from website and social media to find the info and put things in other.. So what kind of admin are you. This is why people editing things because you guys editing what you think is but it isn't so yeah. I read and look what do u do... Us baby ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:1302:1600:2E29:97FF:FE47:BFAB (talk) 06:09, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You need to cite content with reliable sources in order to verify it. You did not do that, hence the warning. Mattythewhite (talk) 10:31, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Everton squad template...
Hi Matty, what do you mean by "new number doesn't apply until 2017/18"... The new season starts from 1 July, doesn't it?, also his squad number is confirmed by Everton here JMHamo (talk) 18:36, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but all the other remaining squad numbers apply to the 2016/17 season. I'd personally update it once all the 2017/18 numbers are out. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It says very specifically "Rooney will wear the number 10 shirt for our 2017/18 campaign" on their official Twitter feed, can't get more reliable than that. JMHamo (talk) 18:50, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Not disputing the sourcing aspect of it, just I'd wait until all the 17/18 numbers are assigned, rather than updating them piecemeal. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm a big fan of your editing and anti-vandalism work, so we'll agree to disagree on this if that's okay with you JMHamo (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * 👍 Mattythewhite (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Josh Onomah
Hi Matty. That contradicts the body of the article, which states that he first appeared on the bench on 5 January 2015. If you can identify a game during 2013/14 where he was on the bench, then fair enough (although it would still be entirely pointless to state that he played 0 games during that season given that that is the assumption for any season which is not mentioned), but otherwise I'm inclined to think that you're simply misinterpreting his presence on the Soccerbase page for that season. Clicriffhard (talk) 19:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Players only appear on the Squad stats pages on Soccerbase if they appeared in a matchday squad. By my reckoning, the first match he was involved in was was Dnipro v Tottenham on 20 February 2014. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:03, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just found that one myself, so the body of the article needs updating accordingly. I still think it's a little pointless to include a season in which he didn't play, but I won't object if you want to reinstate the "stats". Clicriffhard (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Block Request
Hello, could you please take action on this IP in light of this recent edit on Garbiñe Muguruza and considering all warnings have been issued? Thank you. — <b style="color:black">Ana</b><b style="color:#D60707">kimi</b> <i style="color:grey; font-family:Courier New">talk</i>  21:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Blocked for 31 hours. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — <b style="color:black">Ana</b><b style="color:#D60707">kimi</b> <i style="color:grey; font-family:Courier New">talk</i>  21:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Editing Harry Kane
I did not understand the reason you said for reverting my edit. I was just removing duplicate entries. Can you please explain? And I am sorry for undoing your edit. I didn't mean to offend you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvarma (talk • contribs) 08:23, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No offence taken. The format at WP:FOOTY/Players was decided by consensus at WT:FOOTY a while back.  With regards to duplicating divisions in the career stats tables, accessibility was taken into account, although I can't recall the specific policy or guideline. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:01, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Referencing
Hi, why have you reversed two of my edits due to lack of references when in the first case (David O'Leary), the information about his honours was already written in the text above; and in the second case (Roy Hodgson), the reference about his honours was provided in another Wikipedia page (Premier League Manager of the Month), the link to which was provided in the edit? If you can't use information which is already on wikipedia as a reliable reference, then surely the whole of wikipedia becomes invalid. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.150.121 (talk) 20:01, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Please refer to WP:V. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Andrew Robertson (footballer)
It was worth a try... we will find out exactly what happens so yes we will wait. My apologies, let's pick things up with the real news. 86.152.141.51 (talk) 23:27, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Keith Downing
Hi Dear I am edit the article because i have search about him. he is england u 19 manager or head coach, last night England champions of uefa u19 championship 2017 Under The Head Coach Keith Downing you need reference Look... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neweditorpk (talk • contribs) 13:13, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Jack McKay
Jack McKay is NOT a member of the LUFC first team, he has no squad number, and is part of the development squad. Please stop reverting my edit and placing him in the first team. Additionally, when you edit the page, you are deleting almost 2500 characters of text, removing the WHOLE reserve team from the LUFC page. Please, stop. Here is a link to the official LUFC first team, on the official site - https://www.leedsunited.com/teams/first-team

No Jack McKay. Stop reverting edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YayNJ (talk • contribs) 15:13, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * When did I *ever* claim he is? I am *intentionally* removing the reserve team, because it is both unsourced and not notable.  I have already explained this to you on your talk page. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Potential (or REAL!) nuisance
Have a look at this guy/gal (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pui_de_dinamovist), seems they will revert any negative reference to a club or player connected to Romanian football, even if it is sourced: example 1 - in Juan Ángel Albín, they removed the FC Petrolul Ploiești club went bankrupt (here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Juan_%C3%81ngel_Alb%C3%ADn&diff=790290657&oldid=790284439); 2 - in Daniel López (footballer, born 1992), they did not seem to like the player was associated to modest clubs, so they removed a large portion of storyline, including TWO REFS and any mention to the division a given club competed (here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_L%C3%B3pez_(footballer,_born_1992)&diff=next&oldid=789971012)!! 3 - in Diogo Salomão, they took offence to the true fact the player was demoted to the B-team when he returned to Sporting Clube de Portugal, so they removed it (if you have a quick glance at either SOCCERWAY's or FORADEJOGO's timeline, you will see that's exactly what happened)! In fact, in 2015 he returned from another loan and continued appearing solely for Sporting B; added refs to the piece, by the way :)

You have been briefed, attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * User warned. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

cite point locations
I don't know if there is a policy or not, but I really do prefer to keep them until a ref is found or when I get around to editing or helping out an article. I really didn't want to interfere with Defoe's article, but I really felt they needed to be restored. Cheers, Govvy (talk) 20:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The citation needed tags? It was me who added them in the first place, so you won't get any complaints from me... Mattythewhite (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * k, didn't release you added them, I like when ppl add those tags, I find it very helpful, cheers again, Govvy (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Please check the facts before you revert and moan
Here's the transfer confirmation: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-seal-10m-andy-robertson-13353992 Sideshow Bob 13:06, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Please actually *read* your sources: the first sentence of that states "Hull defender will have medical on Thursday to become third Reds signing of the summer", meaning the transfer is not complete. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

PENNINGTON
2 sources now added, and the incorrect one from YEP yesterday removed, as I was doing before you took my last edit out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.129.109.147 (talk) 13:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Jolly good. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)