User talk:Mattythewhite/Archive 45

Jon Toral
Hi. Do you really need an explanation to understand that Toral was only part of the youth teams of Barcelona? Perhaps the Category:FC Barcelona players is not understood, and even a basketball player of the club enters it. But I understand that it refers to the players of the first team. There are other categories for Barça B, C, etc. --Zigurat (talk) 22:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It is standard practice to include club categories even when the player did not make an appearance. Why should FC Barcelona be an exception? Mattythewhite (talk) 22:54, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Appearances in play-off games
Quick question - as I cannot remember the answer. What's the situation with appearances in play-off games - do these go into the infobox under league appearances - or are they 'Other' games for this purpose and stored under 'other' for club appearances in the club stats section with a footnote to explain? Thanks, Zanoni (talk) 11:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * They should go in the Other column, with a footnote stating what competition(s) the appearances came in, like here. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:33, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 18:51, 29 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanoni (talk • contribs)

IP 191.215.124.200
Hi Matty, how are you?

This aforementioned IP was blocked on Saturday for 24 hours due to adding misleading info (i.e. wrong stats in the infobox). However, he keeps on doing the same thing, and fails to communicate. Should we block him a little further? Cheers, MYS 77 ✉  13:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've just left a L4 warning, let me know if they persist. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:08, 29 April 2019 (UTC)


 * At it again, vandalizing Bruno Silva (footballer, born 1988) and articles related to Brazilian football in general... MYS 77 ✉  21:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you note
I just had to do it, sorry it took me so long... As calm and collected as they come :)

Keep up the hard work, from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 02:53, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't know what you meant at first but now I get you. The best way to deal with haters is to dab on 'em. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:09, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

incomplete update?
Looked completed to me, so confused. Govvy (talk) 13:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The infobox timestamp and table date were left untouched, meaning we're presenting our readers with misleading data. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * lol, that's easier enough to fix without having to rv. Govvy (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Is it, though? It would involve having to check the sources to verify the content is correct, and in any case, the burden is on the user who made the incomplete update.  It's shouldn't be up to me, or indeed anyone, to clean up after someone else. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:17, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Need your help
Hello friend, I need your help. I want you to go to the Clube Regatas do Flamengo page and change the article in soccer to football as it should be. As we already know, association football is called football in Brazil and not soccer. I've tried changing it a few times, but a user named Walter repeatedly reverses it. thank you Jozamba (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:LANGVAR and all. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circular
   

This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:35, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)
ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Ivo Pinto
Hello there,

i reinstated the Championship honour (now) with a source, but am not sure of the rules enforced in this competition regarding the number of appearances needed for a winners' medal. If Mr. Pinto's three matches do not grant him such, please re-remove the accolade and sorry for any inconvenience.

Speaking of honours, i don't think calling the 2012 Supercupa României non-notable (third competition in Romania, he played match from start to end) is accurate. I would understand if you thought runner-up finishes were not important and thus remove them all, but you left the Cupa României; what's the difference, because i fail to see it?

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Based on it being a one-match, two-team competition that is barely competitive. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:01, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Matthewcarleton14
Hello Mattythewhite, regarding the recent edits you flagged at User talk:Matthewcarleton14, the account looks like yet another sock of a blocked user. I've had dealings with past incarnations including User:Matthewcarleton15, User:Matthewcarleton16, User:Matthewcarleton17. I hope this helps. Thanks Declangi (talk) 22:51, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, blocked per WP:DUCK. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:56, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

After Dark (TV series)?
Hi, I posted this question on a Talk page over a month ago, without any reply, but perhaps I put it in the wrong place. Are you by any chance able to comment (I see you have posted on the same Talk page)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Unreal7#After_Dark_(TV_series)?

Just trying to find out what the rules on this are. Many thanks for any help. AnOpenMedium (talk) 16:59, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't deal with articles in that field very often so I can't really advise. I would recommend asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Will do. AnOpenMedium (talk) 17:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Lucas Moura
Need protection asap. Govvy (talk) 21:14, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

lol, thanks, I think my emotions are through the roof!! Govvy (talk) 21:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I can imagine. Even as a neutral I'm taken aback by the extraordinary events of the last two nights. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

My content of editing was good.
Hello there! Actually I edited and gave good information. It was true whatever information I gave. So what was wrong? Can you explain to me? Deepakraj Deep at the XY Foundation (talk)
 * It was unsourced. I have already explained this to you on your talk page. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:20, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Apologies
Hello Matty,

I'd like to apologise for the Liam Hogan edit.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sireuan18 (talk • contribs) 17:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Bruno (footballer)
Matty, what's your intake on this (please see this message to fellow user's talkpage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beeney_xx#Bruno_(footballer))? User told me they understood the guidelines (no WP:OVERDETAIL in this case), then rewrote all of the subject's late biography (irrelevant match after irrelevant match). Am I missing something (and on a related note, could you please drop an additional line to my message, should you agree (or not) with me)? Regarding this particular guideline, don't think so.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 12:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

St Mary's Stadium
Hi, now a user (probably a an old sock) is also trying to push "UEFA Category 4 Stadium" in the caption of the article. See diff. This happened after I requested PP and autoconfirmed access was granted - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:19, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Page move
A small favour, if you will: i tried to move Tarantini Monteiro to "Tarantini", was not allowed for reasons that elude me. This user is moving pages like no tomorrow, and at such rate errors are bound to occur, as in this case ("Tarantini Monteiro" is a name/nickname compound).

Attentively, thanks in advance --Quite A Character (talk) 00:21, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, could it be because it's also the title of the disambiguation page? If so, what do you suggest? "Tarantini (Portuguese footballer)"? --Quite A Character (talk) 00:23, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to Tarantini (footballer). Mattythewhite (talk) 00:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Here's another example of this user's (sometimes incorrect) MO, Pedrinho (footballer, born 1992), they had moved it to "Pedrinho Moreira" before I stepped in. --Quite A Character (talk) 08:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

User:Sir gidabout
IP has returned after block (this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:151.224.109.238). Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 20:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked for one month. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:13, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Danny Welbeck
Welbeck: A player who didn't extend his contract with his team and the contract will end or ended already by the end of the season. that's means he became free agent and I didn't invent anything. And you know the players extend their contracts 6 months at least before the end of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjaatoul (talk • contribs) 03:30, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Arsenal's season hasn't even ended yet, so it's factually incorrect to say he is now a free agent. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Antonie Griezmann
Hello Matt, on his page his career statistics are different so I change it to make it the correct statistics. Tag-Mod 13 (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The infobox accounts for domestic league appearances and goals only, what you are adding are the figures for all competitions. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Template help
I created and need to edit it to add the final two South & Mid clubs now the appeals process is complete - yet I cannot edit if I click edit - says no template with that name. I know I am doing something wrong - but any idea what? Tanks. Zanoni (talk) 11:27, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed. The name parameter didn't match the template title. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:11, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Aziz Behich
He is Australian-Turkish so don’t threaten me when it is a truth Wiki Facts fixer (talk) 12:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nationalistic zealotry isn't welcome on Wikipedia, sorry. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:45, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Kylian Mbappé
Hi, you left a message on my talk page stating my edit was removed because I hadn't provided a reliable source. So I made a new edit citing not 1 but multiple reliable sources, yet you still reverted the edit along with another unrelated minor edit. Please explain why. --Retrofan781 (talk) 22:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Because it isn't appropriate for the lead. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:45, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * And what exactly makes it not "appropriate"? I noticed you removed your original reason from my talk page, so please elaborate. Retrofan781 (talk) 02:08, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

90.253.95.133
Hello Mattythewhite,

This IP address, when I've had a look through the contributions dated today, has done similar types of editing to a huge number of other players as well as the English players upon the mass reverting.

Having a look at the talk page of the IP address, the user has been warned enough past your "only warning" TW message. The IP address continues to do this after your messages to e.g. Scottish, Chilean + Dutch players and is unlikely to understand the warnings.

Thanks,

Iggy (Swan) 21:34, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Premier League Productions
Hey Matt,

Could you check out the page Premier League Productions and look at the broadcast team section and make sure the refs are good? Also, someone keeps reverting my edits when I add the broadcast group when the announcers that I put are indeed the announcers.

Thanks,

--Nigelnu (talk) 15:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Based on a quick check, the sources don't seem to include the name of some of the commentators. For example, neither Peter Drury or Daniel Mann. But TBH I'm not sure if this article is really notable.  Is there evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources, as per the WP:GNG? Mattythewhite (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I think it does meet the guidelines, there is significant coverage of PL Productions. Also, the references that I gave has the announcers from each matchweek since 2013. --Nigelnu (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

RE: May 2019
Hey Mattythewhite,

I noticed the international goals weren't listed for both Boghossian and Guivarc'h, despite their pages showing that both of them have had at least one int'l goal, so I looked at the French national team results to find and add their goals to each player's pages. I'm not sure how I would go about citing another Wikipedia page, as I have never done so before.

Benjamin112 (talk) 20:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We should not use other Wikipedia pages as sources, see WP:CIRCULAR. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Huddersfield Town
They might be, but they are still played at the end of the season in question. To list them only in the year they are played is pedsntic nonsense. BRACK66 (talk) 23:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Is it worth it to keep this page protected?
You protected your user talk page in April 2018, but that recently caused a problem when a newbie was told to contact you. Eman 235 / talk  20:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've now unprotected my talk page, the issues that led to me protecting it should have subsided. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

John Carew's tattoo
Hello! So, I've edited the part where the tattoo because it was wrong. In spite of misspelling, règles means rules AND menstruation, as it was already mentionned on the talk:JohnCarew. It's the first time I read such a mistake on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wdewoman (talk • contribs) 21:03, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit because you removed the reference and therefore left the content without a source. I see all the content has since been removed. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Path slopu
I am messaging you because I left a message on path slopu’s talk page and he did not awnser wow! Gun23man (☎️) 09:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

About an edit he reverted. Gun23man (☎️) 09:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Which was legit. Gun23man (☎️) 09:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

He answered and said it was a mistake. Gun23man (☎️) 11:58, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Fernando Llorente
I was right to remove the bit, was i not? He came on as a sub and did not do anything relevant, and even if he did (i.e. goal) does it not constitute WP:OVERDETAIL?

Attentively --81.193.141.118 (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it might be worth mentioning if the "crucial role" he played were expanded upon. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:52, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Just read the Telegraph source and indeed it seems Mr. Llorente really made his presence felt, reinstated text with the proper display and language. But the question stands: if this does not constitute WP:OVERDETAIL, what does (the subject has been in this type of situations in many many matches, most of them described in the storyline, what's relevant in the clash against Ajax?)?

Attentively --81.193.141.118 (talk) 20:31, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

June 2019
Apologies for apparently inappropriately removing runner-up status. I have noticed inconsistency on this across multiple pages, many players/managers do not seem to have runner-up position included for cups, although some do. If it is the case that runner-up should be included as standard, would it be suitable for me to correct this if I notice it elsewhere?

Thank you. Vaze50 (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Re: Rudiger
Hi. I understand where you're coming from regarding Antonio Rüdiger's honours page, but it will be difficult to find a source which definitely proves whether or not Rüdiger in fact received an Europa League winners' medal seeing as he didn't travel with the squad to the final due to injury, and therefore didn't take a part in the medal ceremony. Although I know that there is constant debate over whether Supercup titles should be credited to certain players who weren't included in the squad for the final, which I undertand as in that case only one match is played, there has never been a case where a player who wasn't in the official UEFA squad for the knock-out stages didn't receive a winners' medal, or wasn't credited with a European club competition title at least; UEFA club cometitions are different from cup finals in the UK in that regard, in which only players named to the final squad receive medals, regardless of whether they appeared earlier on in the competition. As I mentioned before, John Terry and Eden Hazard still have their respective 2012 UEFA Champions League Final and 2013 UEFA Europa League Final winners' medals listed in their honours page, and the source for Hazard's medal just mentions that he was ruled out of the final, not that he still received a medal (but he did appear earlier on in the competition). Terry's source has his UEFA profile with the two UEFA titles he won listed, even though he didn't feature in either final, but Rudiger's UEFA Profile is different and doesn't include any titles on it. I understand not listing the honours for players who only appeared in the Europa League for Chelsea in the first half of the 2018–19 season, as they weren't registered in the UEFA list for the knock-out stages (and only featured in the group stage), and usually they aren't credited with winning a title in that case (especially as before players could only be registered in Europe with one club for an entire season, hence why Ronaldo never picked up a Champions League medal with Milan in 2007), but it seems a bit excessive to remove the title from Rudiger's page when historically this has never been done. And if that's the case, then titles should be removed from many other players' pages as well (like Gary Neville not being in the squad for the 2008 UEFA Champions League Final due to injury, or Paul Scholes and Roy Keane for being suspended from playing the 1999 UEFA Champions League Final with Manchester United), which would be quite difficult. I don't know if it would be best to open a discussion in this case. The only information I can find is found in [this official UEFA source regarding the final], which states under the subheading "What does the winner get?" that "there are 40 [winners'] medals for players and staff." I don't know if that helps or not. Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 20:24, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Starting a discussion would probably be best, although I'm not sure if much new light will be shone as the topic of honours has been done to death of late.
 * Your point about UK competitions isn't correct. For example, the FA allocates "40 medals to playing staff and officials of both Clubs in the [FA Cup] Final"], per the competition's rule and regulations.  So in reality there will be quite a few players not making the matchday squad for the final who receiving medals.  The problem is finding sources that tell us *who* received them.
 * I'm not sure where you've got that from about Hazard's 2012/13 Europa League honour. I added the reference recently for this honour, based on the following passage: "Hazard’s six years at Chelsea have brought him two championship medals, an FA Cup, a League Cup and the Europa League".
 * Re Neville et al. You would think players like that would have received medals, but it rests on finding sources to verify that.
 * In future, would you mind paragraphing what you write? It's quite difficult reading such a large block of text. Thanks,  Mattythewhite (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I missed those other sources on Hazard's page for the 2013 Europa League Final, but my point about Hazard being awarded that title under the honours section was that the source from The Guardian that you cited mentions that he won the Europa League, but there are also plenty of times where similar reliable sources from respected and unbiased newspapers have claimed that players won Supercup titles, for example, even if they weren't actually included in the match-day squad (which as you remember, has been a source of continual debate on Wikipedia, with users discussing whether certain Supercup titles should be still listed under player honours if they weren't actually in the matchday squad, even if the honour was supported by a reliable news source), just because their club at the time had won said titles. I don't think the 2012–13 Europa League should be removed from his honours list either, because whenever the medal-awarding ceremonies for European titles are shown, all players who are included in the team's UEFA list for the knock-out stages – not just those in the matchday squad, but also the reserves – go up to receive a medal, and they did appear earlier on in the knockout stages as well, but in the case of both Hazard and Rüdiger they were unable to sit on the bench during those respective finals due to injury. I was unaware that the regulations over the FA Cup had changed now; I know that this wasn't the case in the past, where fewer medals were awarded to the winning side, so thanks for that information. Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


 * [Here are the regulations for the Europa League this season], which state that a maximum of 25 players can be registered for each club's UEFA Player list A, and that 40 medals are awarded to the winners. This source states that he was included in Chelsea's list A. I don't know if that helps at all. Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:18, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Pep Guardiola
You left a message on my talk page stating that my edit on Pep Guardiola wasn't neutral and had been removed. Jurgen Klopp and Jose Mourinho are also considered to be one of the best in the world and that is also written on their Wikipedia pages. Why is it neutral to say that about those two managers but not about Pep Guardiola? --Adams.k (talk) 19:16, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Claims like that need to be supported by reliable sources. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You didn't answer my question. Will you make similar edits to the pages of the other managers I mentioned? Or is this standard just for Pep Guardiola? How are the other sources better than the sources for Pep? --Adams.k (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Noble Okello
Hello. Apparently, you have not read my edit summary on Noble Okello. It said: "His uncle Anthony Atine is from Uganda. Sources: https://www.canadasoccer.com/?pid=4217&t=profile & http://images.ourontario.ca/Partners/HHPL/HHPL0108690_003.pdf". First source shows family relationship between Okello and Atine. Second source shows who is Anthony Atine, where he comes from.--MonFrontieres (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Mentioning the source you used in the edit summary alone is not sufficient, it should be included in the article itself. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If I do that, are not you go to revert it?--MonFrontieres (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No, not if it's added correctly. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay. I take note from your words. Thanks for the information. Regards.--MonFrontieres (talk) 19:25, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Tommy Black
Hi Mattythewhite.

Thanks for your message regarding my changes on Tommy Black. I know Tommy personally as he’s my son’s coach at GFA.

Regards Szubi75 Szubi75 (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Doubt
It goes without saying that (for example) in the infobox we must write in numbers (5 caps, 7 goals, etc), but in the wording it's preferable to write "five", "seven" no (only switching to numbers when dealing with double digits)? I keep being taught a lesson (according to the editor in question) in WP:MOS, but i think they are mistaken in that approach (see for example Jonathan Ruiz (footballer, born 1982)).

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, unless there is a number over 10 in the same sentence, see MOS:NUMNOTES. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Mistake
I think you have made a mistake reverting my edits, I will use the example of Ruben Loftus-Cheek, he actually played and was active in Chelsea’s Europa League campaign, just because he did not play in the final doesn’t mean he’ll lose all credit for his activity in the tournament, he was named in the official Chelsea squad for the tournament. Chelsea won the final, making Loftus-Cheek as much as a champion as Eden Hazard who scored twice. Regardless of contributions made to their success, every player on both Chelsea’s winning squad and Arsenal’s runner-up squad deserve the honour, as long as they were named in the official squad for the tournament. Also regarding that “unreliable” source, it’s UEFA’s official website man! How much more reliable can it get? TheSoccerBoy (talk) 15:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Where did I describe UEFA's official website as unreliable?
 * My point is that a source stating that a player was part of a club's trophy-winning campaign doesn't *necessarily* mean they should have it included in their honours section. When a player was involved in the matchday squad for the final I think it's pretty clear cut that it should be included, but for other players I think additional verification should be needed, such as a report confirming that a player received a medal. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:15, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I see your point, but it does not work that way, take Alphonse Areola as an example in France’s 2018 World Cup winning squad, Areola did not play a single minute of their campaign yet he still received the honour. Ousmane Dembélé however DID play matches in their campaign but not in the final, yet he is still awarded the honour. Your logic can also be applied to a league system, let’s say FC Barcelona clinch the title with 4 games to spare, but Lionel Messi is out injured for the remaining matches, including the one where barça secure the title, would it mean that Messi will be discredited for all of his contributions throughout the season and NOT be awarded the league title? Would you really think it would work that way? Absolutely not. Lastly, we can say Wissam Ben Yedder is indeed French, but he was not named in France’s official World Cup squad, meaning that he is NOT a World Cup champion, because he was NOT named in the squad at all. Final word: regardless of contribution and involvement in the team, as long as a player is named in a squad, roster, however you want to call it, they will receive any title the team is awarded, a bench warmer will be as much as a champion as the team’s star player because of the simple fact that they were IN THAT TEAM. TheSoccerBoy (talk) 16:44, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are trying to put words in my mouth. I haven't made any comment re World Cup or league honours and you are wrongly assuming my positions on them.
 * Areola and Dembélé were both involved in the final as unused substitutes in the final and the sources on their articles (BBC Sport match report for both) verify that. So no problem there.
 * Why would the same logic be applied for a league competition? Obviously we're not going to say that only players who played in the last match of a league season should be considered a winner of that competition.  Every league has its own regulations re who is awarded a medal.  In the Premier League, players making at least five appearances are awarded a medal.
 * Not sure what your point is re Wissam Ben Yedder, is there anyone arguing that he should have the World Cup included in his honours?
 * It is not correct to say that any player named in a squad "will receive any title the team is awarded". It depends on the competition's regulations.  For example, as above, a player needs to have played at least five matches to receive a Premier League medal. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I’m not trying to put any words on anyone’s mouth, I was just using examples. If you noticed, I left some players out from both Chelsea’s and Arsenal’s original squads, because they were not included in their Europa League rosters. If it still sounds iffy to you, I recommend to start a formal discussion at the talk page regarding this issue, your revision was opinion-based, mine however was the default for any title-winning roster excluding specific regulations. Go see what the community thinks is best. TheSoccerBoy (talk) 21:47, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * My revision was based on the source not supporting the content that was added. What you provided was a list of players and the appearances they made in the Europa League.  The source didn't even make any reference to Chelsea winning the competition!  Anyway, you are more than welcome to start a discussion. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Removing unsourced height
Hi there, Matty.

I see you frequently remove heights for footballers when it isn't explicitly sourced (inline). WP:USI states: 1. "When information is unsourced, and it is doubtful any sources are available for the information, it can be boldly removed", 2. "If you think a source can be found, but you do not wish to supply one yourself, you can add the template ", 3. "Negative unsourced information about living people shall be removed immediately, as per Wikipedia's biographies of living people policy, without the use of such a template". 1. usually does not apply, sources like Soccerway, NFT and Worldfootball.net usually include height in their player profiles. I don't see how inaccurate height can be seen as "negative" (3.). Wouldn't it be better add a "citation needed" template then (2.)?

At Kévin Constant both Soccerway and NFT were already in use and both supported the height which you removed? May I ask why you chose to remove height instead of reusing the references?

Robby.is.on (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Because I'm not necessarily aware of what references already exist in the article, and there isn't a burden on me to supply them. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, why not use the "citation needed" tag? Robby.is.on (talk) 21:08, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Julien Lopetegui
Hey. Thanks for the message. Have added a source that links to the Sevilla appointment. Let me know if it's good enough and if not, I'll find a better one. Kind regards, Macgregorc93.

Macgregorc93 (talk) 11:44, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Roly
Please leave me alone. Thank you. I'll add sources when i have the time to do so. Your constant badgering and threats aren't helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince193 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not how Wikipedia works. As the warning on your Talk page states content on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. You can't just add stuff without including reference to back it up. Robby.is.on (talk) 14:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What Robby said. See WP:V and WP:RS for more details. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Zoltán Gera
Hi, here is the source you are looking for http://www.nemzetisport.hu/magyar_valogatott/valogatott-gera-zoltan-lesz-az-u21-es-szovetsegi-edzo-hivatalos-2704775 (name of the article: Zoltán Gera will be the head coach of the U21 Hungarian national football team). His name is already written on the page of the U21 Hungarian national football team, it's a well known fact now that he is the head coach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB00:800:B400:68BC:A5C6:B215:E497 (talk) 21:33, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you add it to Zoltán Gera? Mattythewhite (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Done. Thx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB00:800:B400:68BC:A5C6:B215:E497 (talk) 21:46, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Re: Julio Pleguezuelo
Hi Mattythewhite. Generally, you don't see citations in information boxes, and it's even less common to see a citation for whichever club they're at. It's very easily accessible knowledge. In the case of Pleguezuelo, he left Arsenal for FC Twente, and one simple google search will verify that. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcnaleac (talk • contribs) 20:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:V and WP:BURDEN. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:36, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Here, I got a source for you: https://arseblog.news/2019/05/julio-pleguezuelo-joins-fc-twente/ . You can also check out FC Twente's instagram for further proof if you'd like. I have a question for you: If Pleguezuelo's club needs to be cited, why isn't any other soccer player's club cited? Why isn't Arsenal cited? Be consistent, sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcnaleac (talk • contribs) 20:41, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The source is no good on my talk page, it needs to be cited in the article. Um, I think you'll find that most clubs are cited in biographical articles.  Not in the infobox, which I suspect is all you are focusing on, but in the prose section. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:43, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of that, it does seem like I forgot to add more info down below, so that's my bad. However, it really is helping nobody by simply removing my (completely correct) edit. In a case like this, be a helpful user and find the source yourself if it is missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcnaleac (talk • contribs) 20:51, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I refer you back to WP:BURDEN. It isn't my job, or anyone else's, to do the stuff you can't be bothered to. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Transfer
Hey, thanks for the Hazard edits/protection. Can the same be done for Éder Militão, whose transfer is also not completed before 1 July? I had some edits there so far with changing it back and don't want to do that again and revert even more. Kante4 (talk) 17:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The article seems pretty stable at the moment so I'd prefer to avoid protection for now, although I'm confused by your edit restoring the Real Madrid content, despite the transfer not being complete yet? Mattythewhite (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, like i said i already reverted some edits and i was editing it back to how it was (Porto). But i was not sure if i should do that, given that i did reverted edit(s) on that article a few days ago. So, not 100% sure if it would be correct if "I" fixed it (again). (Damn, hopefully you understand what i wrote, not my first language and looks a bit wrong if i read it.) Kante4 (talk) 17:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Page move
Another page wrongly moved by the user, "Paulinho Mota" is a name/nickname compound. Would you be a sport and duly rename it "Paulinho, footballer born 1991"?

Thanks in advance, continue the hard work --193.137.135.2 (talk) 09:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Perfect, many thanks! But I think you missed a comma after "Paulinho", for coherence purposes with other articles named similarly --193.137.135.2 (talk) 13:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed I had, now fixed. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:33, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Chris Smalling
Whilst a "running commentary" of goals is not the best thing to entirely comprise a season summary. The information is encyclopedic and therefore should not have been removed. Plus goals are a significant part of a footballers career especially significant ones such as the derby winner. In addition the club career section is in desperate need of an update as nothing has been wrote there for the past two season and the list of goals is a good place to start in summary of the past two years and allows for further expansion. In regards to the season headers quite alot of footballers pages uses season headers in their career section as it allows for easier reading and provides better division in the section than the arbitrary ones which currently exist there. In addition the also lengthen the page which reduces image clutter which has only been made worse by reverting the edit so all images are on the same side of the page. Mn1548 (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

User:Sir gidabout
Found this other IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:82.132.186.153). Attentively --81.193.141.118 (talk) 19:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There's not much point in blocking, they'll just hop onto another IP.
 * While you're here, could you expand on the "very poor display" you refer to here? Mattythewhite (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

I just copied it from another summary, perhaps not the best of options and for that i apologise. About the intro (my summary also referred to the honours, mind you), i felt we should just keep the "professional" once, then once the subject retires, write "...is a former Portuguese footballer...". Why write "professional" twice?

About the IP, you're absolutely (and unfortunately) correct. --81.193.141.118 (talk) 01:40, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Arda Turan
Hello. He had a bust-up with a journalist. After this happening he stated that he quitted the national team. You can check this article. After changing of the manager he played 3 games. But he has not played any games for about 2 years at the moment. --Oltnilhn (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Turan's biography doesn't make any mention of him retiring from the national team. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Mattythewhite
James Morrison formally of West Bromwich Albion has no club so I don’t see that as vandalism at all this mattythewhite person is moaning about nothing and he needs to check his facts correctly before telling lies Sitheseagull (talk) 03:06, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This "mattythewhite person" is moaning because you're not verifying the claims in your edits with reliable sources. He's not the one who needs to "check his facts".  BTW you mean "formerly", not "formally". Mattythewhite (talk) 12:59, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Player honours section
Is it preferable to divide player honours into subsections (club, international, individual) or not? SLBedit (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you mean like here? MOS:PSEUDOHEAD recommends that we use level three headings ( === === ), then to use pseudo-headings (   ).  Meanwhile, the WP:FOOTY Player MoS recommends just pseudo-headings.  I personally tend to go with the latter, but there isn't a straight forward answer. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

In Júlio César (football goalkeeper, born 1979), I corrected the spelling of his name in references' titles. Is there a guideline against this? SLBedit (talk) 23:33, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it's correct to change the spellings of reference titles, whether they are correct or not. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I have reverted that. SLBedit (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Luca Connell Wikipedia
Hi matty I corrected u by saying he’s played 12 matches for Bolton because it said he had played 10 championship games and 2 cup games meaning he had played 12 games and not 10. Tiarnano (talk) 12:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The infobox accounts for domestic league appearances only, meaning 10 is the correct figure. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

IP
Disruptive editor afoot? I see you have already warned them, they seem to have taken to updating stats of Sevilla FC players. In Sergio Escudero (footballer, born 1989), after i reverted/composed them, they went in the box and, for no good reason, wronged the stats (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sergio_Escudero_(footballer,_born_1989)&diff=902679533&oldid=902676038).

Speaking of Mr. Escudero, do you think you can lend a hand to the display of the chart below? It's in dreadful state, but i'm as dumb as they come regarding these so i only performed minor tweaks there. Attentively --81.193.141.118 (talk) 14:59, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems they were including the appearances from his loan spell at the same club. That said, the loan figures in the infobox (9) don't match those in the career stats table (10).  Anyway, I have fixed the table. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:11, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I performed the Getafe change, odd that the IP wrote ten matches when both BDFUTBOL and SOCCERWAY mention nine. --81.193.141.118 (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Youth categories
Me again,

back in the day, the REAL MADRID YOUTH PLAYERS category was removed, so quite probably the community had a consensus on that. Why on earth (as seen in Fran Mérida) create FC BARCELONA YOUTH PLAYERS subsequently? Makes zero sense, does it not?

Cheers again --81.193.141.118 (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * No opinion? Fair enough, but at least keep in mind i did not remove said category or anything, it stays even tough i fail to see the coherence. --81.193.141.118 (talk) 20:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't see the need for such a category, but you're best asking at WT:FOOTY with regards to whether there is consensus on it. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, will get to it --81.193.141.118 (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Still taking Mr. Mérida as an example, why is it not deemed encyclopedical to insert (when the case) the short naming approach (i.e. "Fran") when it's part of the article name? --81.193.141.118 (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See MOS:HYPOCORISM, the paragraph starting "It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name". Mattythewhite (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry...
Sorry for the inconvenience....sorry it was just a rumour Athul00007 (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's best we steer well clear of adding rumours here. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Davinson Sanchez clarification
Hello, man

A tweet/video of the player, Davinson Sanchez himself, mentioning counts as a valid source? https://twitter.com/Spurs_ES/status/1050144442160742401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1050144442160742401&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fligadeportiva.com%2Fdavinson-sanchez-confeso-porque-no-debuto-con-america-de-cali%2F
 * Sorry, what is this in reference to? Mattythewhite (talk) 23:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

66.66.83.160
user:66.66.83.160 is abusing her talkpage. She is trying to bribe us to unblock her. CLCStudent (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Talk page access revoked. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Could you help me?
Hello @Mattythewhite, I would like to politely ask if you could protect the Atlético Madrid and the Diego Godin page, as anonymous users are removing players and the Godin page won't stop being edited by people thinking he's officially with Inter already. Please got through the revision history of each article and you'll see what I mean. Thanks, Oblow14 (talk) 13:51, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Activity on the two seems to have cooled off today but I have them watchlisted anyway. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Matt Ingram
Thanks for the message about the lack of source for what I added a few days ago. I’ve now added the source which I was planning on adding - I went to check whether it was already on the page and got sidetracked in the process. --Enbytv (talk) 22:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Louis van Gaal
It is fact that both Louis van Gaal and Tommy Docherty have both won the FA Cup with Manchester United and got the sack.Mr Hall of England (talk) 08:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You've been here long enough to understand that content, especially on WP:BLPs, ought to be verified by reliable sources. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Aitor Karanka
Can you have a look before this escalates, please (and maybe the person who reverted me is another sock of PenguinsElite? Not accusing, just saying, as i now also not(ic)e Lampardsgotnochance was another sock of them that you reverted)? Where do you think article needs more adjustments? Say the word and i'll duly accommodate :)

Previous user said the other user (or themselves!) contributed to the article, when all they ever did was leave unsourced content in the coaching storyline (the subject's work with the Spanish youths). By the way, i'll spend the next 20 minutes or so sourcing honours and the box, please don't edit there in that timeframe; before i go, i read a guideline back in the day that said that assistant managerial spells belonged in the box as long as they were deemed important/relevant to a person's career, are three years in Real Madrid not?

Attentively, thanks very much in advance --81.193.141.118 (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't pay much heed to a long-term sockmaster. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, i see what you mean (by the way, i'm sure you know why i am editing with an IP now, trying to escape from a long-term stalking "relationship", so far it's much better). But what about the article's current display? Any major concern from your part? By the way, box and honours duly sourced, hopefully to WP's satisfaction. --81.193.141.118 (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Nothing shouts out to me. I would note that the Real Madrid source used for that club's honours don't specify the years those competitions were won, and personally I would use something more independent than a club website for honours. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:45, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Best i could come up with on such short notice. I have added another one longsince, at least the three CL are clearly speficied this time. --81.193.141.118 (talk) 17:00, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Patrick
Added champions league with inter in 2009/10 and Seria A with AC Milan in 1995/96. I have also added sources Johnjohnson7234 (talk) 09:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please note that Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:57, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well it shows that he won these competitions. Also he made enough appearances in both competition to qualify for these honours Johnjohnson7234 (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * A) That doesn't matter when the source isn't reliable and b) how many appearances are needed to win these competitions? Mattythewhite (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It’s minimum of one Johnjohnson7234 (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * According to? Mattythewhite (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Great "respect"
José Luis Martí, and you are sure nothing can be done about this person (User:Sir gidabout)? One IP after the other (and the corresponding reversions) even though I address them politely (well, not so much in last message, I lost it), and removal of the preferred third-party sources to be replaced with "less-welcome" official club's one.

Attentively (losing my mind over this, not worth it but what can I do?) --193.137.135.2 (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

LOL (and I told one of the IPs that, in order to respect them, I re-added the third-party source but kept theirs), new IP in the article and the third-party ref I added summarily removed!! Edit war afoot. --193.137.135.2 (talk) 14:39, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Semi-protected for three days. Unfortunately, I think that's probably the best approach to countering this individual's edits, given the rate at which they hop IPs. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way, please don't think i'm also IP hopping, the first one in this original message is from my place of work, the second from my home. Both are static, until further notice that is.

On a related note, i'd better stop engaging in conversation (especially if heated) with this individual, that could do nothing else but aggravate them. --81.193.141.118 (talk) 15:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

P.S. Not that i think it will change anything (person will most likely not read it due to the vast array of IPs, or if they do they will not care one bit), but to compensate my verbal faux pas in one of the messages i went to the last address found in Mr. Martí's edit history and apologised for calling the person a "punk" (not aggressive at all, but not very courteous as well i admit it). This ceases all communication with the other part, i promise.

Attentively --81.193.141.118 (talk) 17:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Regarding Mr. Koke (sorry reply took so long, was finishing overhaul of an article), sure thing: this IP here (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koke_(footballer,_born_1992)&diff=898559860&oldid=897939847), also a very wide array of IPs. Removes runner-up finishes in the honours, regardless if they are sourced or not!

On a related note (same article), sorry i made you cleanup the display of titles again, but i operated a blanker revert because of said nuisance, then proceeded to add honours where the citations existed. If you notice, all the other subsequent edits of mine were me engaging in cleanup, obviously did not clean it all up (apologies again)... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.193.141.118 (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Onbec on Anthony Jackson-Hamel
Hi, it's me Onbec. First of all, I'd to say that it is not possible to source a category.Some has no explanations. For instance, no where in the article it is written that his father is Dominican, but he is still classified under "Canadian people of Dominican descent". But if you need justifications I'm willing to provide you some. First of all, Hamel is a French last name and here it is said that she's as well Canadian. In this article written in French, it is said that his grand-father was the organist of the Nordiques team which was Jean-Yves Hamel. On his death certificate it is mentioned that he was the father of Christine Hamel, the mother of Anthony Jackson-Hamel. His ancestors were clearly French Quebecers and of French descent. Onbec (talk) 00:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It may not be possible to source a category, but you can source the related text in the article. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Rob Kozluk
How's that? Now with the source added. Apologies, I'm new to Wikipedia and still working it all out. Someone else was editing the page at the same time as me, I'm assuming it's kept both our changes? Also, I would like to add a footnote to say the two 2012/13 'Other' appearances were in the Derbyshire Senior Cup, but that's a bit beyond me at this stage.. Nonleagueapps (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks for adding those sources. You did undo their edits in the process but they have since reinstated them.  The way I add footnotes to career stats tables is putting  following the appearance figure.  I have added one to the table at Rob Kozluk. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Salomón Rondón
I took the liberty of operating a major cleanup to his Newcastle section, chap there wrote about EVERY goal so i think this is an open-and-shut-case of WP:OVERDETAIL! Should you see it fit, please re-revert and sorry for any inconvenience.

Don't know if this user has the habit of doing this as all i have ever seen them doing in all these years is taking care of templates and akin. Attentively --81.193.141.118 (talk) 20:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Lo celso
Lo cleso scored one goal today..against venezula in copa america Thank you Anas.anu3 (talk) 23:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Without playing, apparently. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Laurie Walker
Sorry to disagree, but the dimensions of an image are perfectly legitimate reasons for removal - the original uploader of that image should have re-sized to an appropriate size in the first place before uploading. When this page is viewed on any platform (mobile, desktop) has a considerable gap between the the Career Statistics heading and the table itself and looks poor/unprofessional and not in-line with other player page layouts. If you have an issue with the image, then you should take this up with the original uploader and ask him to re-size it.

Unless you are happy with people uploading oversized images, then this would set a good example by removing it. Please do not turn this into a bigger issue than it needs to be, I have made legitimate points and unless another reason is provided which justifies the image in its current size being included, then I will re-edit and remove it shortly. If you still intend to maintain that it isn't a valid reason for removal (which it would be on any other website which values presentation), please point me in the direction of where on WP:FOOTY it has specific rules/consensus on image sizes where it overrides common sense.

Sorry for the lengthy message, but if this is really an issue you want to escalate, I'm prepared to do so. Just like you, I put in lots of hours formatting, editing, writing, improving pages and this seems a a very simple, common sense matter. Hope you agree. FilthyDon (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've consulted with the original uploader and he has kindly cropped the image. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:29, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Great. Problem solved. Appreciated. FilthyDon (talk) 23:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Zaha
If the BBC has a standalone article on it, it's more than tabloid rumour and worth including. GiantSnowman 11:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The term "linked" is vague, undescriptive and doesn't belong in a biography. If there's more substantive detail in the report then that should be used.  Players are "linked" with moves all the time. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:55, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations!!

 * Thanks :-) Mattythewhite (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Dong-Won Ji
Hi Mattythewhite, sorry for not following the orders of Wikipedia. I'm kinda lazy to make a wikipedia account, so I'll give you the informations why you should change Dong-Won Ji's team should be changed to Mainz 05 from Augsburg.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/dong-won-ji/profil/spieler/164265->Confirmed in July 1st that he moved to Mainz from Augsburg.

https://www.mainz05.de/news/die-9-die-10-oder-eine-95/->It's a news from Mainz 05, about Dong-Won Ji.

P.S If there's any more information that I should add or proove to you just tell me. Oh, and his loan to Darmstadt ended in the early 2018, so don't forget to change it.
 * Hi, please refer to WP:BURDEN, which states that the "burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material". In other words, I'm not your lapdog. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:12, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Sergio Aguero Confusion
Hello, I just wanted to ask why you keep undoing my edit for Sergio Aguero. You have accused me of being partial, hence I provided several links for proof and my sources clearly back up the knowledge that I am adding. I feel that by witholding this information you are acting partial yourself. So I request you to pls accept my next update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.207.48 (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * He keeps doing it to me too, even when I provide a substantial reference. Can you please stop ( Paul Gascoigne) Spamalama (talk) 17:20, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Content doesn't automatically become worthy of note just because it is referenced. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have an issue, please address it to us before removing it. We could then reach a mutual agreement. Spamalama (talk) 17:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:BRD. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:34, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

The article you have referenced, further proves that edits such as ours are permitted, this however does not strictly outline that you have to delete them Spamalama (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Violation of the Wikipedia friendly users policy.
This is notable as it was a topic in the news, Please don’t attack other users and refrain from removing edits without authorisation even if you believe they are unneeded. Spamalama (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, could you please substantiate your accusation that I "attack other users"? Mattythewhite (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems to be a constant theme with your page. You remove edits without substantial reason and constantly troll pages. You had a recent issue with me not formatting references, and if that is an issue, you could correct it for me without removing my edits. Spamalama (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems to be a constant them with you not evidencing your accusations. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I find your attitude to Wikipedia very unproductive. As apparent in your recent edits, many of your edits contain no reference, or you remove others edits. Many users work hard researching these and it is very upsetting to have them removed by an unproductive Wikipedia user who provides no help to what the problem is. It is obvious to see that you have a spiteful attitude when it comes to your opinion, however your opinion is not always fact. Please take this in mind when using Wikipedia in the future. Spamalama (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with you User:Spamalama. Matty often uses bullying techniques and scare tactics to attack other users. I am a victim of this as well. I am yet to see edits of his that are productive nor does he help foster a community where people would want to contribute to edits. Rupert1904 (talk) 23:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to refer to you to the below. If you genuinely feel I've acted out of line, you should something about it like report me.  Or are you trying to make some sort of point by piling in on a discussion that agrees with your agenda?  Ball's in your court. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd be fascinated to know where I have made edits that contain "no reference". Anyway, if you are unhappy with my conduct, the steps listed at WP:ADMINABUSE may be of help. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

dear
it is NOT Sarkic, his name is ŠARKIĆ! pronounced shark-ich. Please change it to his real name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.122.170.85 (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you provide some documentation to support your preferred spelling? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:33, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Ederson
Since when being on the bench counts as a honour? SLBedit (talk) 20:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Since when *wasn't* it sufficient...? Are we going to take away Alphonse Areola's World Cup medal because he didn't take to the pitch in the final? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I got the impression from several WT:FOOTY discussions. Areola didn't play a single match (like Ederson) in that competition. It seems there is no consensus about if players on bench should be awarded honours, especially in Super Cup matches, even when they receive a medal. SLBedit (talk) 20:53, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:54, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What? SLBedit (talk) 20:55, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't see it being correct that there is no consensus to include honours even when a player received a medal. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Many players have had their Super Cup honours removed from articles because they didn't play. SLBedit (talk) 21:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * IIRC that was because they weren't in the matchday squad at all? Mattythewhite (talk) 21:02, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't recall. Now, a different case: Bruno Varela didn't play a single match in Eredivisie, therefore his "honour", a medal he got, was removed from his article. SLBedit (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Help with vandalism
Hi there. So it seems that my user page has been badly vandalised after I removed some contentious claims on a player's bio and now I can't set it back to the way it was (I don't have rollback privileges). Is it possible that you do it for me as you seem to be active as of now? Thank you. RetiredDuke (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Reverted, and the offending user has been warned. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the prompt reply. RetiredDuke (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Bolton, Lancashire
Mattthewhite, Bolton is in Lancashire. Greater Manchester is merely an administrative area within Lancashire, similar to Blackburn with Darwen and Blackpool which are both unitarian authorities within the county of Lancashire. Even in Wikipedia's own history of Bolton Wanderers there's a whole section about how Bolton was one of six Lancashire clubs to be founder members of the football league. Spainie-06 (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Per our own article on Greater Manchester: "Greater Manchester is a metropolitan county". Bolton lies within the boundaries of the metropolitan county of Greater Manchester.  That's as far as this need go. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:43, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you please tell me
 * As per Wikipedia's own article "Bolton was one of the 12 founder members of the football league. At the time LANCASHIRE was one of the strongest football regions in the country, with 6 of the 12 founder clubs coming from within the boundaries of the historic county of LANCASHIRE".
 * Could you please tell me who those 6 Lancashire teams were?
 * Could you also tell me were Lancashire County cricket play they're games?
 * I'm very passionate about "real" Lancashire and feel that Wikipedia is misrepresenting both Bolton and Lancashire with its misinformation. Spainie-06 (talk) 20:26, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What you define as "real" Lancashire hasn't existed since 1974. You are the one trying to insert misinformation into the encyclopaedia. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Greater Manchester as a county council hasn't existed since 1986!
 * I note with interest your reluctance to answer the two questions I posed. Spainie-06 (talk) 10:11, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to know, but it doesn't change anything, though.
 * Because they bear no relevance to the issue (not that it need be) at hand, which is where Bolton is *now*, in the Year of our Lord Two Thousand and Nineteen. The answer to which is, of course, Greater Manchester. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:54, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

2019–20 Leicester City F.C. season
Hi, as usual we are having people adding unsourced squad numbers on 2019–20 Leicester City F.C. season, not sure if it meets the standard for page protection or not, can you advise? Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 14:21, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's at that level right now, let me know if it escalates. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

luke woodland
hi mate, please contact me @ my email - l.woodland@hotmail.co.uk

i need my wiki updating and your man to do so — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lw21 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Goodbye
Apparently, the stalking situation (the other user may refer to it as "cleanup" or "monitoring", same thing no?) cannot be resolved. Both my IPs (work and home) are also now under heavy scrutiny and my wiki-heart is torn to shreds, time to leave (for REAL now, time to waste other people's time over this!) because this is unbearable; apparently, the other party believes i am the only football editor here that needs constant cleaning up. In 13 YEARS...

Goodbye and all the best Matty, thanks for your assistance and patience throughout the years (i believe it was you, : and : who initially helped me out and showed me how to proceed here). Also (i know i will forget some people but alas!), a shoutout to the likes of :, :, :, : (all last three spoke my language and helped me here and there), : (spoke next to no English, but his invaluable help to several Spanish football articles cannot go unmentioned, also a regular contributor at BDFUTBOL.com he once told me), : and several of his Romanian compatriots, : (great "dictionary help" while i worked on German football(ers)! A kind salute also to his countryman :), :, : (great footy conversations with both of you - sorry i still can't stand Ronaldo haha!), etc, etc.

Pretty much, goodbye and all the best to all the people who interacted/worked with me in some way (so that includes my current and last wikiadversary), always with the intent of improving the site. So, only the lowlife punk vandals are left out of this "parting equation". My work here (operated 50% withing the guidelines, 50% as a freelancer, but only wanted to help)? With no false modesty, some damn fine pieces do i leave behind, feel free to think otherwise. My idiotic (not all, of course) edit summaries? Won't be missed, no siree :)

Cheers y'all, from Portugal (last time i press "enter"/"save" here, it was a good run but it was not being fun since 2013 or similar, the fact i still continued meant i did want to work and help out but also i was a little unhinged), take care --Quite A Character (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Even if you won't reply, I hope you see this message. Sincerely I didn't think you would include me on that list. I used to edit on here without following too many guidelines or checking my grammar or the way the "story" was put in the article. Somehow, this also helped me in other domains as well, such as at the university. :) I always considered your editing "style" perfect, that's why I always asked for help after writing anything. I think you announced your retirement once or twice before, I still hope this is not a permanent decision and you will return ond day. :) 8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 20:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I seriously hope you consider coming back and not let someone get you retired. We can work that out. ;) But when not, all the best for the future. Kante4 (talk) 12:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

João Félix
Blatant block evasion on João Félix, and no admin blocks Garra15. SLBedit (talk) 22:24, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

It's clear that Garra15 is SHINGO154. The blocked user has been adding non-free pictures of João Félix to the same sections in the article, always claiming they do not infringe any copyright. Annoying. SLBedit (talk) 22:31, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked indefinitely for block evasion. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * How to tag IP addresses that have been used by Martimc123? I've found some (IPv4 and IPv6), including, which was blocked by . It seems to be the same user. SLBedit (talk) 23:03, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

July 2019
As I have politely asked in the past, please do not interact with me. Your reverted edits are not improving wikipedia. You are a vandal who publishes photos taken by other people and credit as your own work. That is the definition of a vandal, a cheat, a fraud. I could go on but I think you get the idea. Rupert1904 (talk) 01:03, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that you to retract the accusation made above. Mattythewhite (talk) 01:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not an accusation. It is fact and you were blocked for it. May I point you here lest you forget: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Mattythewhite. Rupert1904 (talk) 20:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I am of course aware of that. However, your words were that I am a user "who publishes photos taken by other people and credit as your own work" (my bold).  Present tense.  The implication is that I am engaging in such activity *now*.  Can you back that up? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No idea, I don't follow your every move like you do on me. But like I said, any instance of forgery/vandalism/stealing makes you a vandal and a fraud. You will never change Matty, no mater how many edits you make or Barnstars you get. You are a cheat and a bully. Remember that. Rupert1904 (talk) 04:14, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Wow, and I'm the "bully". But I know what you're trying to do: admonish me into submission so I'll be too hesitant to pull you up on further instances of unconstructive editing.  Accuse me of "forgery/vandalism/stealing" and label me a "cheat and a bully" all you want.  I wouldn't even say it's water off a ducks back; if anything it further motivates me to protect this encyclopaedia.  Remember that next time you feel like coming to this page and letting off some steam. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Aissa mandi
https://www.transfermarkt.com/aissa-mandi/nationalmannschaft/spieler/80293 He has 48 games and a national goal. Please look at the site below Mehdifootball1377 (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please note that Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Wembley
The information is correct and uncontroversial but ok if you think you are in the right to prevent Wikipedia to grow with accurate and interesting information so be it. No more cooperation from me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.252.216.34 (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:V. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Darikwa / positions
Hey. No problem on providing a source, but what would count as a source that counters the current, not especially reliable one? Basically, he's a right-back who used to occasionally play as a right-winger a few years ago, but has't for 3-4 seasons. Would a source describing him as solely a right-back negate the fact he's list as a midfielder in some outdated places? For example, Gareth Bale used to be a left-back, would you still list him as such, because I can find sources that say he played there. Be interesting to know how that works. Thanks! UncleTupelo1 (talk) 23:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that would be fine, I was just hesitant about removing one of the positions while the reference that includes both is intact. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. Understood. UncleTupelo1 (talk) 23:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Atletico Madrid
Oblow14 continues to vandalize articles, such as Atletico Madrid by adding unsourced content. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. Oblow14 profile has a history of vandalization on other articles. Please block him from editing on wikipedia to prevent further vandalization. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.134.51 (talk) 23:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Nt-caps: official FIFA matches only?
Hi Matty. I just saw your change at Andy Yiadom. My understanding was that we count official FIFA matches only for international caps? A discussion at WP:FOOTY seems to confirm that. Is there a newer one I've missed? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 11:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That probably is still the case, although I'm sure the topic has been discussed again (no doubt a few times) since. However, I am somewhat unsure as to what Mr Strack-Zimmermann, the publisher of the website, classes as "Fifa matches" and "non Fifa matches".  What is more frustrating is that he doesn't actually note anywhere which matches are "non FIFA".  This makes it especially difficult to update statistics when a player scored goals in "Fifa matches" and "non Fifa matches" in the same year.  Looking at Mr Yiadom's appearances for Ghana in 2019, it isn't at all obvious which matches are "non FIFA", as all the teams are FIFA affiliated.  Mattythewhite (talk) 16:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Matty. I agree that NFT doesn't make it easy to differentiate the two. I've also noticed that recently, though in most (all?) cases, I was able to figure it out. In Yiadom's case, there are four "FIFA matches" and two "non FIFA matches" from 2019 and also four AFCON matches and two friendly matches so it seems safe to assume the two non FIFA matches are the two friendlies. Robby.is.on (talk) 17:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Filipe Luís
In the source on the article stands written (from AS), Filipe Luís have two Italian grandmothers and a Austrian grandfather ("Tras la Segunda Guerra Mundial, un polaco y una italiana, ambos refugiados, se conocen, se enamoran y tienen un hijo. Ese niño crece, conoce a una chica de madre italiana y padre austriaco, y tienen un hijo llamado Filipe Luis Kasmirski.") --JayGeh (talk) 14:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:FA Women's Premier League National Division squad templates


A tag has been placed on Category:FA Women's Premier League National Division squad templates requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 17:31, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Re: July 2019 - Ola Aina
Hello! I changed the height of Ola Aina, because don´t coincide with the reference. You can check it by your self. Thanks Pincheira22 (talk) 00:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Updated per ref. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

About Chennaiyin FC Page
Ak dhoni a contributer totally doing a vandalism in chennaiyin fc page every time there is a notable former player section only those player's i added who are play for there countryside but, He added all players when I revert this he using very Slang language in Wikipedia page.What is the rule for him? Please U Visit chennaiyin FC page history and then u decide ,thank you admin .Have a good day. Joel David 99 (talk) 03:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Page move request
Could you please move Alexandre Pinto to Alex Pinto per WP:COMMONNAME? SLBedit (talk) 23:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Bobby Moore
His eponymous category needs to be categorised. If you would like to give it more appropriate categories please do. Rathfelder (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Guess I'll do it
Hi, my Notifications have been acting strange, so I JUST got your reply from our disagreement earlier this summer, June 2nd to be precise. I guess I can start a discussion, not to prove my point to you, but to genuinely find out if the honours are necessary for players who did not play in a final which is what I am really after for. Anyways, I hope nothing I said was taken in a bad way, I meant no offense (if any offense was taken), I respect your works here on Wikipedia and from what I can see you are retiring (pardon me if I'm wrong, just speedily read through it since it's the largest discussion in this page! XD) so assuming I am right, I wish you a beloved farewell and good luck on your objectives outside of Wikipedia!  The Soccer Boy (𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕜) 07:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No offence taken by me, and I am happy for a discussion to be started on the subject, although I think you have gotten your wires crossed about me retiring. I'm guessing you've gotten that from this thread, in which another editor stated that they are retiring?  I've no intention of hanging up my [whatever a retiring Wikipedia editor would hang up] anytime soon! Mattythewhite (talk) 12:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I am terribly sorry, got so confused due to the amount of paragraphs that editor had, made me thing they were separate messages! Haha  The Soccer Boy (𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕜) 15:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Morata and Willian
Hello, Mattythewhite. I have a few things I want to clear up with you. First and foremost, I admit I was wrong about Alvaro Morata's deal with Atlético Madrid. I don't know why I strongly believed it was permanent, but that was that, or so I thought. Sometime in the morning on 22 July 2019, I noticed an outdated fact on Willian's page. There was news that he was offered the No. 10 Jersey at Chelsea, in which he accepted, making his official Jersey number 10. You removed my edit once again because it was unsourced. Here's my issue. I get that it's your job to protect Wikipedia and keep it as reliable as possible and I respect you for that. But does someone need to have a source to prove that 2+2=4? I think that it's pretty useless. I may be new to Wikipedia but I know when something is unneeded. Is it required that you remove everything that's unsourced or is that your choice? BallerOJ23 (talk) 20:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Chelsea's website lists Willian as no. 22 still, despite media speculation that he will wear the no. 10 next season.
 * There's no *requirement* for me or any other editor to do anything, I choose to uphold policy. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)