User talk:Mattythewhite/Archive 47

IP User block - or not?
Hi there.

In April 2018 you left a note on User talk:82.132.185.23 saying they were blocked for 3 years - but I just left them a note for disruptive editing on Laura Woods. According to the block log, Edgar unblocked them in April 2019 according to an ANI discussion, but I can't find it in the darchives at all. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I made the block because I suspected it of being a sockpuppet after seeing this edit. The recent edit doesn't seem to be related to the sock, so a block isn't necessary. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Skinner Incorrect Addition
Good Day, terribly sorry I made a mistake while editing Dennis Skinner's Page. Thank you for your swift reversal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimwilliams975 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Steve Cooper
Per this talk page, I have had four opposes to my requested move to the "footballer, born 1979" identifier. The oppose users explained he is more notable as a manager not playing footballer with the clubs he played are not as famous as the EFL clubs. Do you agree with me that the article and talk page should be moved back to "Steve Cooper (football manager)" due to notability as his current position? Iggy (Swan) (What I've been doing to maintain Wikipedia) 15:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, to respect the outcome of the RM discussion. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Tried moving it back but I can't, most likely is that the redirect page has been edited after the page move. I would think an administrator would do that without any problems. Iggy (Swan) (What I've been doing to maintain Wikipedia) 15:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Úrvalsdeild
Even though I disagree and don't see anything wrong with giving his full name (which is always used in Iceland) I will admit that in English language sources the middle name is always kept out, so it's fine to leave out the middle name there. Thank you for actually explaining. I will admit that, seeing as you are the only user who has posted on my talk page (in a case where you disregarded the article itself and only looked at my edit in a vacuum), I was probably negatively influenced beforehand, which is never constructive, so my apologies. Dalitidlamadur (talk) 21:39, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Paul Barber
He is English, the title in his name shouldn't be Soccer Administrator. Govvy (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but it's had that title for years and I think a RM discussion should have been sought. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:36, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * okay, but I don't think you need to have an RM discussion all the time, especially for such a trivial change, the change by the other guy was a bit long winded. Should be straight up moved to Paul Barber (Football administrator) per WP:UCRN on the sport he represents per topic side. Govvy (talk) 15:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't particularly disagree with any of that, but I would note that the F in football shouldn't be capitalised. Looking at the article in more detail, I must say I'm not convinced Mr Barber's article is notable, but that's a different issue. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:43, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I know, I did try to do some research for it, then after a google search I was thinking about deleting it! heh. Govvy (talk) 16:55, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Scot Gemmill
Most Forest fans of the era know that Scot Gemmill's first name is Scotland. That is why it is 'Scot' and not Scott. His father, Archie, was living in Preston at the time of his son's birth and drove his wife to Paisley in order for her to give birth so his son would be born in Scotland. He was christened Scotland. There is plenty of evidence for this, but given it was the pre-internet age none of it is online. I though the aim of Wikipedia is to be accurate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:2C24:3600:4E9:3D4F:CA7B:9342 (talk) 12:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * None of those sources are reliable, and they've based it on the uncomfirmed rumour that Gemmill's first name is Scotland. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Is this ok
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hensingham_ARLFC# this is my draft is it ok ? If not what do I need to do ? RDgooner (talk) 00:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Rugby isn't my specialist subject so I can't help you out, sorry. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

If rugby isn't your specialty why do you try correct others? You surely don't know everything! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.237.144 (talk) 06:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, is this with reference to anything in particular? Mattythewhite (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Line breaks
Why the new format for MP's job titles? It is only used on the pages you have edited (Jess Phillips and Rebecca Long-Bailey) and not any of the party leaders (Jeremy Corbyn, Jo Swinson etc.), past prime ministers (Boris Johnson, Theresa May etc.) or cabinet ministers (Dominic Raab, Sajid Javid etc.). Seems like an unnecessary change to me. Also, are you planning on changing the format for all other MPs past and present? (Also, it's my first time using the talk section so please forgive me if I don't sign right.) Hamish Alexander (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this a new format? All I did was removed unnecessarily forced line breaks upon seeing them.  Do you have a rationale for including them other than them being used on a few biographies of high-profile politicians? Mattythewhite (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not just high profile politicians; every other MP, MSP and AM has the line break in their job title before their constituency name. This is the commonly used format (TheMace09 used the word in his 13:42, 17 December 2019‎ edit summary on Rebecca Long-Bailey) and it irks me that it is being changed for no reason. I am not disagreeing with the other edits you have made but can you please just leave in the line breaks for the MP's offices? Thanks, Hamish Alexander (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * How can you tell me *with certainty* that it's used on the biography of "every other MP, MSP and AM"? Even if that is the case, does that make it right?  See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.  I still don't see the rationale for including the forced line breaks.  Does it look better aesthetically?  Does it make the information easier for readers to read? Mattythewhite (talk) 22:07, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I can't tell you that with certainty at all, just from what I have seen. But it does look better aesthetically. Can we please just keep it the way it was? Because I don't want an argument about this nor do I want to have to change all the other MP infoboxes to make them look worse, only for them to likely get changed back. Hamish Alexander (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Citation-whines
There are times when the claims that citations are needed for matters of extremely common knowledge are themselves disruptive editing. 12.144.5.2 (talk) 16:21, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Louis, could you direct me to a policy or guideline that supports that? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that peppering articles with demands for sources for absolutely everything comes under POINT (which was cited against me when I provided 29 footnotes for a sentence that had previously been deleted as "unsourced").Getting hyper about policies is simply silly.12.144.5.2 (talk) 23:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see why WP:POINT was levelled against you in that case. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:39, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * Thanks, best wishes to you too :-) Mattythewhite (talk) 14:13, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The image copyvio is back again
Under this username with all edits made today already reverted. Also this seems like block evasion under similar user names (ends in 18 or 19) on page histories of the affected articles whenever the edit summary has "image" in it. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 13:51, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked, apparent sock of . Mattythewhite (talk) 14:14, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Bergkamp
Hello! Did you delete my edit because I said "He is regarded as one of the best of all times"?

If so, why do other wiki pages of footballers have opinions such as that?? For example, Messi's, Ronaldo's, Maradona's etc pages say :"They are regarded as some of the best of all times". Why can't Bergamp's page be the same? Thank you! Jam ai qe ju shikoni (talk) 12:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Because you didn't support your claim with a reliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply, but, better late than never. Thanks for clarifying! Jam ai qe ju shikoni (talk) 21:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

On Frenkie de Jong edit
No vex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salamandary (talk • contribs) 21:55, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry? Mattythewhite (talk) 22:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:DUCK again?
Before I say goodbye to Wikipedia for a month, (explanation there), this Celebrations12‎‎ user could be a WP:DUCK after viewing all 4 contributions. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 14:22, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked as a suspected sock of PenguinsElite. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays


Mattythewhite, Have a great 2020 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia.

– 2020 is a leap year   – news article. – Background color is Classic Blue (#0F4C81), Pantone's 2020 Color of the year Send New Year cheer by adding     to user talk pages.

– Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 00:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You too! Regards, Mattythewhite (talk) 22:13, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Untitled
Hi you have removed the additions from various players about playing for Whitley juniors Cortez belle started playing football for Whitley so did Melenius Melarkey both played for me at Whitley and started their football there William Bapaga and Nick Farquaharson started playing football for Whitley I was club secretary when they played for the club — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.64.122 (talk) 18:27, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * See WP:RS. Content should be supported by reliable sources. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Cédric Soares
Hi there,

nope, the main website is SAPO (company) (as i am Portuguese, maybe you could "give" me some credit on this one), but revert me if you want. I am completely at a loss as to why people choose to elaborate on the display of refs, not inferring anything bad, just saying i'm baffled. If you don't mind me asking, why was the ref display on Mr. Soares (example) fine before and suddenly not?

I had promised to leave your page alone with even the slightest of doubt i might had, and delivered on that promise. I know i mentioned you in one of the edit summaries, but in my habitual style of speaking in riddles and akin, never any disrespect meant.

Attentively, happy 2020 --Quite A Character (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * What I'm saying is that the website is called Desporto, which is indeed published by SAPO. In the same way for relvado.sapo.pt, which is used further in the artcie, the website is Relvado and the publisher SAPO.
 * I don't doubt that the refs were fine beforehand, but I saw some needed modifying, based on what the ref template documentation recommends.
 * A happy new year to you too. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Already thanked automatically, but thank you again for reply "in person". Gaining momentum, and since i see the same happened in Mr. Soares (the first time i saw it being in Wolves' Traoré), again the grammatical question (would really like to have it answered so that i can avoid making mistakes in storylines i write/adjust): is writing "at" to imply a team playing away dead wrong, too colloquial, etc ("Tomorrow we play at Barcelona" or "Last time, Rangers won at Celtic" seem quite correct in my book, but that does not equal to anything in terms of the absolute grammatical truth here)? Please, do enlight this fellow user, wouldn't want to find out i had been wrong all these years (even though no one corrected me directly)...

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * What seems to be the problem in replying to this grammar doubt i have? I'm genuinely trying to learn from a native English speaker such as yourself, and in no way am taking a jab at your wiki modus operandi. --Quite A Character (talk) 21:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It don't quite make sense to me to say "at" in this context, as a match isn't played "at" a club, it's played at a venue. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:53, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Okeydokey. Then, in a (very) related question, why do you also remove venues when they are mentioned in matches (i.e. in Mr. Soares, "3–0 win over Vitesse at St. Mary's Stadium" was turned into "3–0 home win over Vitesse")? Seems the only acceptable options are to write win/victory, home/away and over/against? Nothing else? --Quite A Character (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That's generally what I go for, but I was looking for consistency; it seems odd to name home grounds but not away. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Good point, i totally see where you are coming from. --Quite A Character (talk) 00:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Franck Ribéry
Hello! Honours => DFL-Supercup: 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2018 https://www.transfermarkt.com/franck-ribery/erfolge/spieler/22068
 * Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:33, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Can you help?
Hey I I’m a new editor but I my account is more than 4 days old and I’ve made more than 10 edits but I still can’t edit protected page’s and I don’t know who to contact maybe you can help me. WhatIsThatAwh (talk) 11:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * What page are you trying to edit? Mattythewhite (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Anonumus 7
Language barrier (almost likely a Greek citizen) or "i just don't care" M.O.? In spite of all those talkpage warnings, continues to fail to add PC udate in both the infobox and the chart below, and also scrambles the infobox fields while at it. Getting really tiresome...

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * AGAIN, as seen in Rúben Semedo... But i'll stop bothering you. --Quite A Character (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User warned. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:59, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Solved nothing, as they did it again (me as well, reverted! Pretty soon i'll break 3RR). LOL (only noticed it now), and they hit the "thank" button on one of my edits, cannot but help think it was sarcastic as i do nothing but revert the person! Could be sincere though, but whatever may be the case that level of (in)competence wiki-wise is something to look at quite seriously wouldn't you agree? --Quite A Character (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * They continue, as seen in Bruno Gaspar. Also may (MAY, not confirming this) been resorting to IP editing to avoid further scrutiny (i.e. José Sá, another Olympiacos footballer; editing M.O. 100% similar).

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Untitled
i am sorry matty — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.43.162.166 (talk) 19:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Adrian98rm
Seems quite disruptive this fellow, has removed Copa del Rey honour at Jeison Murillo for the second time (he played in tournament before leaving for FC Barcelona on loan, as source shows us). Regarding the same subject (honours), going to town on Hilário (footballer, born 1975)'s article.

All that (as so many users do here) while adding zero explanation in edit summaries. What can be done, in your opinion?

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Are they wrong to remove it? I mean, the source is from *before* Valencia even won the competition! Mattythewhite (talk) 15:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Of course mate (could not have added a source from AFTER as player had already left), the source is only to show player/subject took part in tournament, thus being eligible for medal (i know it's not like that in the British isles, but in Portugal/Spain one match in league/cup is enough). --Quite A Character (talk) 16:04, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that's not right, but can you provide a source confirming that that's the case? Mattythewhite (talk) 16:06, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

There ya go (https://www.lavanguardia.com/deportes/fc-barcelona/20190525/462421827282/jeison-murillo-campeon-copa-del-rey.html), if you need translation just "whistle" and i'll lend a hand, but in a nutshell it's saying Mr. Murillo was a lucky chap because he'd take a medal home no matter which side won the final... --Quite A Character (talk) 16:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that, as well as a source confirming that Valencia won, would be a big improvement in what's there now. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Will add the sources myself, but not trusting vandalism to stop. --Quite A Character (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Your edits
I have been updating Sheff utd players apps as they played in the FA Cup today and you keep removing them for no reason then you say it is vandalism however it is not as it is updating stats so they are correct. We don't want players with the wrong apps or wrong goals do we — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ripironman (talk • contribs) 20:37, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Odion Ighalo
Hi Matty, could you please protect Odion Ighalo... lots of vandalism. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:53, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:32, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Connor Wickham
Hello; any chance you can keep an eye on Wickham's article? I've already reverted the same unsourced addition three times today! Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 21:45, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Rafael Veloso
Situation getting as serious as can be. A person, using IPs and creating several accounts, keeps removing the match fixing scandal this player (and others) was involved in my country. While doing that, they also remove the wikilink to the Norwegian club Valdres and the reference player signed for them.

So, not only vandalism here, we have vandalism AND incompetence! Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 19:35, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've watchlisted the article and warned the user. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I just read the Expresso article better, it says there players involved could still play in the Portuguese regional leagues (as well as abroad), thus adjusted wording. Of course, not saying this will stop the vandalism because it will probably not, and the fact the wikilink to Valdres FK as well as the (perfectly alive and OK) reference of him signing with club keep being removed for no good reason is just mind-blowing!

In broken English, the user mentions something about reverting a liar in the edit summaries. Who do they mean, the people who wrote the Expresso piece or me and you?! Thanks for the assistance --Quite A Character (talk) 21:11, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I said it and it happened/happens. Reverted the account once, then they switched to an IP and removed content again!! --Quite A Character (talk) 21:12, 2 February 2020 (UTC)


 * IP was blocked, switched to one of the accounts and resumed their antics. A technical question: i am allowed to rollback whenever needed (this is vandalism, correct?) without breaking the 3RR, or not? --Quite A Character (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I would avoid breaking 3RR, as another admin could interpret it as a content dispute rather than clear vandalism. I'd recommend requesting the article be protected; I would but I'm WP:INVOLVED. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Iriome
Maybe i jumped the gun (according to last instructions in my talk page by :), but i went and moved page myself and now am thinking maybe it could not have been the best move. However, maybe with your reply my conscience will be put at ease because it was an uncontested move...

Let's see: 1 - BDFUTBOL addresses him by first name; 2 - FUTBOLME (also Spanish web) too; SOCCERWAY too; pretty much all the refs i added back in the day to piece refer to him as "Iriome", and this Google search contains tons of the same (https://www.google.com/search?q=iriome+centrocampista&oq=iriome+centrocampista&aqs=chrome..69i57.3971j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8). Plus, i tried writing "Iriome" in our search engine, and it redirected me to the article BEFORE it was moved.

That being said, would you say it was a(n) uncontested/correct move? If not, apologies to both you and GS and sorry for the inconvenience. --Quite A Character (talk) 04:14, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Your opinion will still be welcome of course, but be notified that GS has already reverted me. Will take it to the proper place to see if a better result comes out of it. --Quite A Character (talk) 20:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * A Google News search of 'Iriome lugo -González' produces 2,330 results, while "Iriome González" lugo produces 1,120, which says to me there is a case for a move. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Curtis Jones
Matty,

Just trying to get clarification on why Curtis Jones has his U-21 stats on his career page? I've just never seen a player have those stats included. I mean no harm in the adjustment of that, just wanted to hear your thoughts. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psr91 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * While he may have been playing for an Academy/Reserve team, the EFL Trophy is a senior, first-team competition, and thus appearances in it should be included. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Well, that's where the disagreement is then because I don't see how anything he participates in for the U-21 squad can be seen as a Senior Squad match. I would hardly consider the EFL Trophy with the U-21 squad as a Senior Appearance.

Removal of my edit to Keir Starmer
I was going off the page for the post itself but i have noticed that this page doesn't have a source for the claim either so im unsure of how to procede https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Secretary_of_State_for_Exiting_the_European_Union — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jattack33 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've undone the change to that page, thanks for mentioning it. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Piqué
The "national team" of Catalonia does not exist, it is an unofficial team that plays an assortment every two or three years, and that does not matter to anyone. This is the same as a local football team. And, if you consider it relevant, in no case should this be in the main part of the article.--Lopezsuarez (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's been there for years without being removed so I think it needs some sort of discussion. I recommend you bring it up at the article talk page rather than war over it. And there's no reason to remove mention of Catalonia from the birth place in the prose. It's standard practice to include regions there. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

sergio busquets statistics removal
Sergio Busquets just scored goal and I added in his statistics, it was removed by comment that I should add source, I do not think goal statistics need sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.92.246.254 (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Stats shouldn't be updated until *after* matches have finished. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:16, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Tanalbi (Rodrigo Damiani)
Yes, you made a mistake by correcting the edition i've made about the Diego Maradona articule, the song whom singer Rodrigo Bueno composed as a tribute to Maradona IS actually called "La Mano de Dios" instead of "Maradó", how it was originally named, go check it out. Acceptable mistake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanalbi (talk • contribs) 23:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Dear Mattythewhite
Do you remember me, Now I need your help This user User:อัลเบิร์ is trying to make an edit war and I explain about the Wikipedia policy to him but I argue to block anyone who blames to edit in content that this user only thinks he is true. No one can edit on the page that the user was overseer. I need you to tell him to understand the rule and don't make another misunderstanding in Wikipedia rule, especially I need you to BLOCK him to resolve the problem that this user makes. Ministerboy (talk) 05:20, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no need to tell so many admins about this. We can resolve this. We will talk at your talk page.อัลเบิร์ (talk) 05:24, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear User:อัลเบิร์ That another IP is my friend that sits behind me, I work for Wikipedia Thai football for 4 Year and I was work for Thai FA for 2 years until now. Why you delete the honor content of every Thai team and why you delete the history of every Thai team. All the information I find with my ability with my Wikipedia user friend for 4 year and you came here to delete and tell me to talk with you first. That was absurd and can't accept. STOP doing this action for the better way of finding the information from Wikipedia. Ministerboy (talk) 05:16, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * As info, I blocked all 3 users for 24 hours for edit warring. Didn't realize Ministerboy had left this same message to 6-7 others. -- ferret (talk) 14:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Grigg Lane
Bury FC isn’t a team anymore and that’s why I put down 2019 ConnorAmy (talk) 15:48, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ade Azeez
The link to the playoff final contains the reference but I've added it anyway. Please do not be silly and threatening. Thank you.Zebroski (talk) 16:51, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You're not in any position to lecture me. Thanks. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:52, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Geoff Hurst
His page has him being sacked on 23 April 1981 and 30 April 1981. You might have only lived twice if you were Bond but it seems if you were Geoff Hurst you were only sacked twice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robcharlton37 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I didn't notice the second date. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

109.242.86.141
Hi Matty. I think a block for disruptive editing and refusal to communicate is in order for. They're still at it. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:54, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, blocked for 31 hours. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! Robby.is.on (talk) 19:08, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Devon78
Hello Mattythewhite

Thank you for the message with what I need to do.

The page is actually about myself so I know the information that I updated is correct. However I know editing needs to be done from a documented source. The correct stats are actually on the page already in the table labelled "Player Statistics". This is not accurately represented in the summary template. Therefore I just updated the template with the correct stat that was already documented on the page. Do I still need to cite it if the information is already on the page? Any help would be much appreciated.

--Devon78 (talk) 11:07, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

João Félix
Hello, Mattythewhite, I noticed that João Félix article his under protection, but the problem is that I want to edit it, so im asking if u could remove or reduce the protection of the article.

Thanks for ur time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExpertChallenger (talk • contribs) 20:01, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Olivier Giroud
Hello, Do you want me to source about its Euro 2016 final and its 2011 League Cup final? It is written in the respective paragraphs of his career. JuliusMassius (talk) 05:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you don't mind. I removed them because they should be sourced in the honours section as well as the prose. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Eric Abidal
Hi there Matty,

i tried, tried, tried (and then some more) to find a source for his Greek league, could not find anything and my eyes were starting to hurt, had to give it up for the day (everything else is now covered, glad i could be of service). I find it strange that his nine matches do not qualify for an honour (just because he retired midway through the season?), but stranger things have happened.

P.S. I also took the liberty and replaced BDFUTBOL in his Barcelona honours with a new BBC ref (reliable and British, no?), hope you don't mind the change. Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 01:23, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm looking myself but can't find anything as yet. That BBC ref is probably fine, just I've got a load of BDFutbol refs for Spanish league titles saved in a document. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:57, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Christian Fox
Hi, please would you be able to add more information for Christian Fox, including a photo and more information.

Thanks Foxh0040 (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

A Record of Post-war Scottish League Players 1946/47 to 2017/18
otherwise known as the Litster disc. Don't know how to format a citation for digital media that isn't on the internet, so used cite book. It tells you here what it contains with a link to how to get it. Disclaimer: I asked for it as a last-minute Christmas present, as I wasn't sure I'd make enough use of it to warrant paying £19.50 of my own money, so didn't do the ordering/paying myself.

If all you need is dobs/clubs/league stats, it's not necessary, because you can get that from Neil Brown or from the pages linked from here. But if you're doing stuff that needs more detail, I would recommend it: it does contain everything Mr Litster claims it does, including players' club stats broken down by season and competition as well as international apps of various sorts, personal data where known like birth/death dates and places, heights...

Personally, I'd get more use out of the pre-war one, because there's less freely available for that era. Might get it if I find a spare £20 down the sofa. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:50, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Further to the above, having just been bringing Calum Woods' stats up to date and discovering that as recently as 2010/11 Soccerbase was missing Scottish League Cup lineups for second-tier club Dunfermline, probably the post-war one could be very useful for those editors wishing to do more than blindly copy their commercial database of choice. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

About the Andres Iniesta update
He actually played the full games in J league opening match, but why you change that back to 0 game played for him? Thx Evil Genius Hugo Lloris (talk) 07:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Because the infobox timestamp and stats table date weren't updated. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Tom Ince
On Special:Diff/945418904, I've spotted the addition of an "authority control" template which does not appear on the page. I don't see the point on why this has been added here. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point of many of 's edits, to be fair. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

DesCartavel
Hello, Mattythewhite. Thank you very much for you message and general welcomingness!

I'll check out the links you sent me. I appreciate the opportunity to exercise communication via message, as well, here in Wikipedia. I'm a newbie, so I hope leaving a message in your talk page, like this, is the appropriate procedure. According to Tutorial/Talk pages, I could also have left a response right below your message, on my talk page, but you'd not have been notified and would only see if if you frequently looked for it.

Once again, thank you for your kind gesture. Good luck with your future endeavors. DesCartavel (talk) 22:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Content page : Sido Jombati
Hi Mattythewhite,

I’ve been trying to edit my own page but have not been able to so far.

This is the page I’m referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sido_Jombati

This page is about me however, there is no correct source to be found online that correctly states my height. The source used (Sky yearbook) does not list the right height.

The correct height should be 190 cm, the only way to verify this would be with my ID. Would you be able to help?

Many thanks, Sido — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.253.65.33 (talk) 15:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! I'll comment if I may: Even the official Wycombe Wanderers website has 1.83 m (https://www.wycombewanderers.co.uk/teams/player-profiles/defender/sido-jombati/). Getting the number wrong by 7 centimetres seems quite unlikely? Robby.is.on (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

About the Romelu Lukaku and Ryan Bertrand correction
Hello Mattythewhite,

you edited back couple changes I made in the two pages mentioned in the title for lack of sources and I was ok with that. Therefore I used sources, already present in the two pages, as sources that ware supporting my changes and you edited them back again for the same reason. I'm confused about how to correct my error but on the same time to write in the wiki two information that I am quite sure are true.

Thank you for a possible answer,

Brio135 (talk) 16:44, 16 March 2020 (CET)
 * Because Soccerway include honours for all players who were in their club's squads, irrespective of whether the player *actually* won it. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Mattythewhite, I'm glad to see that Eurosport is not reliable enough for you. Since I think I will not be able to find what you want, I will leave the pages as they are. Thumb up. Brio135 (talk) 17:12, 18 March 2020 (CET)
 * Much appreciated, those pages will be much better for it. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Help
About 6 or 7 articles I made on female footballers who are based in France are nominated for deletion recently citing WP:NFOOTY. However 3 of them - Léa Khelifi, Lina Boussaha and Sandy Baltimore have made appearances in UEFA Women's Champions League. Would that help in any means? Or any possible ways to help such as WP:GNG? Thanks in advance. Kokoeist (talk) 02:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

User talk:21 Lilac Street and User talk:TheOneCookieMonster
These two have claimed that they have never heard or seen the username of "AH999" before but that's what possible lying is sometimes spotted. It is a bit like someone lying to the police saying "I did not do anything wrong". The unblock review on the latter talk page is unlikely to pass unblock. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * They always play dumb after being blocked. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:43, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think so as well. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 08:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of individual honour as Chelsea Academy Player of the Year 2016
Mattythewhite Fikayo Tomori was the Academy Player of the Year 2016. Please can you reinstate it as your deletion was wrong. https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2016/05/13/player-of-the-year-2016 Please note that this is an award separate from the Young Player of the Year. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:E409:C300:9DD3:1EE:B0C:90B3 (talk) 16:33, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

User Review
Hi Matty, thanks for reviewing my User page and posting on my Talk page. I wish to know - every Wikipedia user is being reviewed (like my user) after the tenth edit? --Ta,jhk (talk) 09:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Liverpool F.C.
The paragraph stands alone, without modification, end of the season or not, your WP:RECENTISM doesn't even apply. It can even be edited, if necessary when more is known. If all this is about sources, or the lack thereof, can it not be considered a work in progress, why must admin be so heavy-handed? 48Pills (talk) 17:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to disappoint you but there isn't some grand conspiracy going on, I just have a policy of zero tolerance when it comes to unsourced crap. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Please read my edit RE: Explanations for "unsourced crap" (I mean the edit to the initial message above that was in progress the same time you were adding yours). Apologies, I don't know why but, in my head, I kept seeing the term WP:RECENTISM attached to a comment of yours. 48Pills (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Jon Greening / YCFC Record Transfer Fees
Hi Matty,

Previously I updated the YCFC section to show Jon Greening as City's record transfer fee, you reverted it. Given TOOAB (25/03/2000) and Keith Usher's comments do you want to consider an update. Not sure how wiki records such adds on but I note wiki currently state £850k received. I'd make it £1,080,000, calculated as = 350,000 +(5*100,000)+((2,000,000-850,000)/5), i.e. initial fee + additional payment related + 20% of difference to  what  MUFC received on sale less what City had already received. See also YEP press reports http://www.yorkcitysouth.co.uk/xdb-fees.htm

Chrismf (talk) 23:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Chrismf
 * Hi, I wasn't aware of there being a sell-on clause with Greening. I was going by this report, which mentions the £100k for every 5 appearances. I don't think York City South would pass as a reliable source, could you link to the Press reports that you refer to? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 23:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the sell on clause was public knowledge at the time he left YCFC. The york city south web page referenced above reproduces a Yorkshire Evening Press article from 1998 which mentions a sell on clause and the following YEP article https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/7938931.greening-for-go-in-city-cash-lift/ puts a figure on it. Exact details were never clear in the public domain (e.g. sell on % was stated at 20% and 25% in different YEP reports at different times and the fee Middlesbrough paid to MUFC (£2m being the lowest I saw and up to  £3m)). Equally, as above, Keith Usher put an even higher figure on the total fee in The Athletic (I read it in TOOAB but not looked behind The Athletic's paywall). My calculation is based on the lowest figures.

PS I like to think the York City South site is reliable, I maintain it and have never knowingly put any false information on it, as Paul Bowser said in his book, its "a fantastic online resource"

Chrismf (talk) 09:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Chrismf

Globally locked
Hi. Can you please globally lock ? This self-confessing Muslim Bosnian has just threatened to kill me on my IDwiki talk page. Thanks. Flix11 (talk) 02:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Done by another user. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Nick Culkin
Have a look at Stamford Bridge, East Riding of Yorkshire. Rathfelder (talk) 22:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Why? Mattythewhite (talk) 22:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Disruption
Hello. Having just reverted the latest additions of invented stats by, I visited their talk page and found the last entry was your "only warning" of a few days ago. So I didn't give them yet another ineffective warning, and will leave them to you. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked for one week. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:02, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Gary Hurlstone
Hi Matty, im useless with wiki etc but thought id add some facts about my football career after joining twitter recently and adding stocksbridge to my friends. the fact iv amended on wiki are factual but i dont know how i could authenticate them. I know what years i played for each teams and the goals scored at hatfield and stocksbridge but unsure of goals scored elswhere hence why iv not inputted them. Cheers Gary Hurlstone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.6.204.181 (talk) 15:36, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

My edit to Jon Trickett and 'disruptive editing'
Hi Matty, I apologise if my source was not up to the standards required, but could you please clarify what exactly was wrong with it and which other of my edits have fit the criteria of either 'disruptive editing' or 'unsourced or poorly sourced content', as your warning seems to suggest that this is a pattern of behavior to warrant me being threatened with being blocked from editing. Could I please have some constructive criticism? (talk)15:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have struck out the message I left on your talk page. I wrongly thought there wasn't a source provided in your edit. Sorry! Mattythewhite (talk) 15:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020
Hi there, the content added included links to two different articles as well as being mentioned and cited in a previous section in the same article. Kundeh (talk) 00:39, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Johnson_(American_soccer) Kundeh (talk) 00:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Rachel Reeves edit
What exactly was not neutral about the edit I made? I simply added an edit that explained that Reeves's proposal to remove benefits from unemployed claimants who did not accept the "guaranteed job" did not stipulate any level of unemployment at which the policy would not apply. I don't see how that can possibly be interpreted as not neutral. I will re-write it in slightly different form, but I do not expect that this edit will be removed. It is clearly in the public interest to have such information on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.224.45 (talk) 14:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

The source for my edits was the source listed in the article. I simply changed the narrative to add more information to what was on the article. The claim that 230,000 claimants would be taken off benefits is part of the Guardian article listed under the article's current sources. Obviously, unemployment is likely to be a lot higher than back in 2013 in the near future, so it is highly relevant to the article on person now in the shadow cabinet to place this information and context on the page. That is clearly not a non-neutral point of view. Additionally, the use of "tougher" without inverted commas is arguably not neutral, since it is a matter of opinion not only whether a particular welfare policy is "tougher" than another, but also whether such a policy is desirable or not. It is standard practice in journalism to put matters of opinion in inverted commas. I would like to know exactly why my edits violated Wikipedia's guidelines. I did not add new unsourced content, I simply elaborated on the content that was derived the source that was already cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.224.45 (talk) 15:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The statement you added that "She did not stipulate whether the policy would apply during a period of higher unemployment" is not supported by the source provided. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello. If you're going to remove my page edits, please would you at least respond to me when I try to contact you to discuss them, rather than contacting me on my talk page and then refusing to discuss the edits and removing my objections from your page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.224.45 (talk) 16:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * See response above. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, but why does that justify removing all the other edits? The claim about 230,000 claimants was sourced in the article (use of the verb "to claim" being appropriate, as political parties figures are widely perceived as not adding up), and the use of inverted commas around the word "tougher" is entirely appropriate and in line with, as far as I can see, the guidance on neutral point of view, particularly not representing opinions (subjective statements) as fact. I propose restoring those edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.224.45 (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

St. Andrew's Stadium
Dear Mattythewhite, no problem, I'll add a reliable source now (the official page of Birmingham City FC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A456:7AD2:1:754B:6C14:D427:94BB (talk) 12:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

thank you but ...
I didn't make any edits to Correntin Ma-whoever (I know nothing about soccer) .... all I ever do on wikipedia is fix grammar and spelling. I don't really want an account for that.

But it was nice to get your message :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.160.80.116 (talk) 09:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The edit came from the IP address you've used to contact me, but it must have been someone else using it at the time. Mattythewhite (talk) 10:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Line breaks
I thought we had previously agreed we would keep the line breaks in MP's infoboxes for their constituencies? Have you changed your mind or was I under the wrong impression? Alex 17:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You would have to remind me of where and when that was discussed. I've seen them in some infoboxes and removed them because they're needless. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The discussion was held under a previous username. But was had on 17 December 2019 and is in Archive 47. It also has "Line breaks" as the heading. Alex 18:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

John Terry
Hi there. You reverted my edit on John Terry last week. I had removed his Aston Villa assistant role from the infobox as per Template:Infobox football biography where it states 'Please do not list positions other than team manager (such as assistant or coach positions, or director of football roles where this role is not considered managerial) unless that position is a significant part of the person's career. I do not think this Aston Villa asistant role is a significant part of John Terry's career. You might please clarify why you reverted this edit. Thanks. Inexorable Existence (talk) 08:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Considering it's his only role in coaching to date, I would say that in itself makes it a significant part of his career! Mattythewhite (talk) 12:50, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Kevinn Mirallas
Hey friend, you got it! The only thing is, that was actually part of the link that mentions how his father is from Spain. Also, those personal life sections often need more elaboration than simply "This person's father is from _ or of _ descent." Happy to comply

71.82.237.58 (talk) 01:41, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Wiscipidier

George Best
George Best did appear in the 1972 film called 'The Alf Garnett Saga' so you made a mistake!!
 * You didn't support your claim with a reliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Overlinking at Darren Bent
Hi Matty, Could you please elaborate on this? Here are my thoughts: I assume you mean fixing overlinking breaks the sorting of items in that particular column? But isn't there a way to circumvent that? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 09:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * If we use the sort with the links removed, we'll sometimes have instances where the first instance of the competition isn't linked. When sorting the table by venue, for example, we get an unlinked "UEFA Euro 2012 qualification", which I think most readers would expect to be linked on the first instance. Mattythewhite (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah, understood, thanks. To me, that outcome seems like the lesser of two evils compared to overlinking… Robby.is.on (talk) 11:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Paul Farrelly
Hello - many thanks for your input. The quotes I added were taken directly from existing footnote 11 (Huffington Post article on BBC Newsnight investigation). However, as it obviously wasn't clear enough, I have now applied that footnote to my edits. Please remove the issues tags. Quoteadder (talk) 15:43, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Which tags are you proposing be removed? Mattythewhite (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought you could remove the tags in edit history (i.e. possible BLP issue or vandalism, possible unreferenced addition to BLP) which I assume were created by you reverting my original edit..? Quoteadder (talk) 18:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Those tags are automatically generated through filters, it wasn't generated by my revert. I don't believe there's any way of removing them from the page history. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Ah - I see. Ok. Many thanks. Quoteadder (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Anthony Joran/Jordan Martial
Please see here. Stephen MUFC (talk) 09:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Dan Gosling Edit
Hi Matty, I've just seen that my edits for Dan Gosling have been removed for not being cited properly. Just so you know, I was in the middle of citing it all, but I guess I had published the changes before finishing what i was doing, which makes sense for them to be removed. I'm going to be continuing what I was doing now to build out Gosling's Bournemouth career section a lot more, but I won't publish anything until it's all finished. Is that okay? I've built out several other B'mouth players pages and not had any problems highlighted with my citations, so there shouldn't be another problem with these once they're finished. Thanks! NWCherries98 (talk) 15:15, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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Honours
Provided a source is added, was this a correct edit (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dani_G%C3%BCiza&diff=951742513&oldid=951409398)? After all, medals are awarded just like in the Champions League or the World Cup...

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * With a source, I would say it is notable. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * But he didn’t win anything! Plus, the source that is there also lists other times he was a runner-up, but those weren’t listed in the article. A medal is nice as a keepsake for the player, but you don’t get a trophy for coming second. – PeeJay 07:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There isn't consensus to support that view, though. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, i still had not noticed that lack of coherence in display (runner-up finishes for some clubs, not all). Like i said, i'm happy to leave article as it stands now. Thanks to both of you for your inputs. --Quite A Character (talk) 18:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Citation Overkill
Hi Matty- I've added a link to one of the places that you can find Premier League positions. Soccerbase and 11v11 are also good. I try to avoid Citation Overkill and I tend to remove uncited material only if it might have been "just made up", but different editors have different styles. Best wishes, Pete Ridges (talk) 17:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, although I would note that Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Wizardcraft
Hey Matty, saw you added some notices to the talk page of this guy. I was wondering if the account is a continuation of a banned user know. Govvy (talk) 10:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, on looking at the contrib, I feel fairly sure this User:122.61.100.131 is the same guy. Govvy (talk) 10:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Ben Purkiss
You keep changing this to former chairman of the PFA. This is incorrect. The review is still ongoing and Mr Purkiss is still the current chairman. Please stop changing this

I've requested that you don't change this page - can you please stop. Is there a reason you keep doing so?
 * Yes, because the opening sentence of the article should include the subject's claim to notability, which is that Purkiss is a professional footballer, not that he is PFA chairman. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No, the Chairman of the Professional Footballers' Association is the current role and more notable than being a player at League 1 level. It is the reason people come to the page and inaccuracy leads to inaccurate journalism.


 * Please leave this. What is your motivation for doing so?
 * It's fine to have disagreements about content, but you can't command that someone not edit a page. See WP:OWN.
 * And if we're going down the route of questioning motivations, I could ask you the same question. You've never edited before and suddenly you've taken a keen interest in Mr Purkiss' page. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Football, that's cool
Hello Matty,

It seems that you're very interested in football. I happen to be really into football myself. What got you particularly hooked on writing/reading about football? What's your favorite team?

Let's talk some more!

Wiscipidier (talk) 16:22, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Wiscipidier

Statistics table
Hi Matty, since when is this kind of edit incorrect? One user is putting regular box instead of gray one with bold text. Is there some new rule about that? Regards. — SimplyFreddie (talk) 10:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That isn't how I'd format an international stats table anyway, I use something like this. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree on that, then it looks like club stats, which is one step further to possible standardization. I also noticed that rowspan tables are in active players' articles, and colspan in retired players' articles. — SimplyFreddie (talk) 14:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism on page Nguyễn dynasty
User Havsjö was fabricating and doing vandalism on this article without warning. Please check it out. 2601:204:E37F:FFF1:FD73:3D1C:E7F2:94D7 (talk) 22:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

e premier league
www.irishtimes.com/culture/games/wolves-diogo-jota-beats-alexander-arnold-to-fifa-20-charity-title-1.4238269%3fmode=amp

theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/25/diogo-jota-wins-virtual-football-final-against-trent-alexander-arnold

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk-sports/2020/04/25/james-anderson-auctions-kit-as-diogo-jota-triumphs-saturdays-goodwill-stories/

who gave you right to call it unsourced and revert true update...shameless vandal how many more links, whole world followed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.89.236 (talk) 00:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, okay. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:09, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Re: April 2020 (Vikash Dhorasoo)
On the Wikipedia page for the 2004 Supercoppa Italiana, he is included in the squad, you might do your own research if you wish to fact-check me. Therefore, I re-edited the section whilst providing another source, which you may deem reliable this time. In general, team honors are not required to have sources, as they are easily fact-checkable.
 * That's entirely the wrong attitude to take towards sourcing. Mattythewhite (talk) 10:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm just stating observations; I rarely see sources for honors sections. For my part, not fact-checking something before touching an article is a big mistake in any case. Gts1300 (talk) 10:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and we should evidence our fact checking by citing our sources, for the benefit of our readers. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:01, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Tregias003
Hi Matty. Many, many warnings and a 72-hour block but is still at it adding unsourced content. :-/ Robby.is.on (talk) 11:28, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked for one week for disruptive editing. Mattythewhite (talk) 11:33, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Robbie Fowler
Hi, I added the Champions League Runner Up in 2007 to Robbie's Liverpool Club Achievements, and you've removed it saying it wasn't properly cited?

Can you clarify? None of the other things that he achieved in that section are cited, and this particular fact is actually already covered in the 'Return to Liverpool' section above.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwilkinsonliverpool (talk • contribs) 15:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Colin Bell
Hi Matty. In the Paragraph of 'Injury and retirement' related to Colin Bell, there is a phrase like this, which added the Honour of the season. "In November 1975, at the age of 29, Bell severely injured his right knee against Manchester United in a challenge with Martin Buchan during a League Cup match at Maine Road.[81] City went on to win the League Cup that season, defeating Newcastle United 2–1 in the 1976 Football League Cup Final." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.209.153.33 (talk) 16:49, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Amin Younes
Just out of curiosity, why did you remove Category:Lebanese footballers from Younes? He's a footballer with Lebanese citizenship, so I don't see why it should be removed. Nehme1499 (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Is that sufficient for inclusion? I would usually only include a nationality category if the player was born in that country or has represented it at international level. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Birth in a country doesn't necessarily prevail over the other citizenship. Many people are born in country A with citizenship B, and become citizens of A years later through naturalization of some sort. While this isn't necessarily the case for Younes, as he was born both German and Lebanese at the same time, it's still not a good reasoning. The international thing makes sense, but what if the player didn't represent anyone internationally? I think that "Category:[Country] footballers" should be included in any football player who has a specific citizenship (regardless of where he was born or what country he represented). Nehme1499 (talk) 16:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't necessarily disagree, it's just I don't think it's something I've encountered before. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Dani Güiza
Is the person reverting the content right and left in a correct approach? I think not, but maybe you feel otherwise (and then i'll stop reverting of course. I do note that you have already reverted them for the same action, so at one point you did agree with me).

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 22:06, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Newcastle sale to Saudi interests
Is there a reason why you removed this? ViperSnake151  Talk  16:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, because it's speculation. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Stig Inge Bjørnebye
Hi, you removed my edit about Stig Inge Bjørneboe.

You said forgot to add a source, and that is kind of hard, since there are almost none other then Norwegian news who wrote about this.

But i quote this from a case in The Atlethic, published 10 December 2019 :

"Up until recently, life would have been cluttered with duties as sporting director of the 26-time domestic champions Rosenborg, but he stepped down last month after more than four years in the role."

Bjørnebye resigned on the 14 November 2019.

On the 9th of December Mikael Dorsin was confirmed as the new Sports Director of Rosenborg BK.

I can also link a couple of the news from when Bjørnebye resigned, but that will only be in Norwegian, so i dont know if it matters.

Have a good day Matty :) Grufull (talk) 09:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sources in Norwegian are fine, as long as they are considered reliable. Mattythewhite (talk) 10:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Tanguy Ndombele
Hi Matty. I saw you recently reversed my edit on the Tanguy Ndombele page. The only change I recalled making was changing his age on the section where it was the 11th January 2014 from 16 to 18 because the article also says his birthday is in december 1996 and thus he must have been 17 at the time. I can understand the source did not have a proper citation first but it was like that before I made the edit. I only edited it simply because I saw he was born in 1996 and it said he was 16 in 2014 when in actual fact he was 18. Could you just clarify to me why you undid this edit since I didn't add the initial uncited source so I don't have a similar situation to this in the future. Much appreciated. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPQuail64 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit because you didn't provide a source to support your change, although there isn't a source to support the existing text either. Looking at his Soccerway profile, it seems Nodombele made his debut on 11 January 2014. By my reckoning, he was actually 17 when he played in this match. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes sorry I think my actual edit was 17. I was a bit hasty in my reply to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPQuail64 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

2026 FIFA World Cup
Is it possible to lock down this article to wiki users only? this user and this user (who are almost certainly both this user) keeps writing unverified, unrelated and blatantly false information all over this page. This user and I have reverted but he/she changed it back twice. I don't want to start an edit war, hence why I am notifying you. --Hmdwgf (talk) 01:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also: these accounts are sockpuppets of Georgie 20. --Hmdwgf (talk) 01:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This account too. --Hmdwgf (talk) 02:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet investigations/Georgie 20 --Hmdwgf (talk) 02:38, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The page has been protected. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Grammar
Taking José Simões as an example (i wrote the same thing for the other teammates, in the international career section), i'm here scratching my beard doubting on whether "questioned" or "interrogated" is the more accurate verb to use. As a native (of the language), what do you make of it please?

Thanks very much in advance --Quite A Character (talk) 04:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think either is probably appropriate given the context. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:57, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Claudio Ranieri
I added a source, the word squad links to their 99-2000 Wikipedia page which has their squad and links to sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxihadda (talk • contribs) 17:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That isn't a source. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Now it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxihadda (talk • contribs) 17:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Changes
Why did you change what I put about Pique playing for Catalonia? DO(double g)Y (talk) 23:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Because it was unsourced. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Ryan Bertrand
Hi there Matty.

I just noticed you reverted my changes made to the Ryan Bertrand article regarding his status as a Europa League winner, citing lack of source, and even claiming it to be disruptive editing. This despite the fact that the article itself claims that he played 5 Europa League games that season, thus counting him as a winner. I would like to know what you would consider reliable source then, since the article itself apparantly isn't enough. Could be because those 5 games arent cited in the stats themselves. Maybe that might be disruptive editing as well then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeverHop (talk • contribs) 09:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Making appearances in the earlier rounds of a competition doesn't necessarily that that player should have it listed in their honours. Mattythewhite (talk) 10:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, yes it should, because he played a major part in winning the competition. He played 5 out of 9 games during the knockout stages, the only stage where Chelsea were present, and was on the bench during the final. By your definition then, a player like John Terry, e.g. wouldnt be counted as a winner of the 2011-12 champions league, because he didnt play the final. I'm sorry but i dont agree with you at all on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeverHop (talk • contribs) 11:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Eniola Aluko
Define 'personal commentary', for none are expressed personally or from the articles referenced (which come from a neutral, verified and reliable source.) Is it YOUR 'personal commentary' you are referencing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjiv (talk • contribs) 15:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You added the text: "which was taken as an empty apology to try to save her career". This is absolutely personal commentary and it is not present in the BBC reference you used. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Still Ryan Bertrand
Hi again Matty.

I just noticed you redid my change on Ryan Bertrand again. I can live with the two of us not sharing the same opinion on whether a person playing in 55% of the total games towards a title win counts as winning a title, also despite there being actual pictures of him with a winners medal and the trophy, but i digress. Like last time, i would like to ask you what you would consider a valid source on this matter then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeverHop (talk • contribs) 19:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Anything that can be regarded as a reliable source that makes it clear that he won the competition, such as a newspaper report mentioning that he received a winner's medal; a mere match report from an earlier round isn't sufficient. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, so a news article mentioning he won it. Got it. Thanks for the chat and have a good night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeverHop (talk • contribs) 20:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Untitled
Hello Matty. My first post so understandable my mistake:) This is the BBCs match report that if you go down to match stats then line ups you’ll see 30 Varela and if you watch on YouTube Rashford’s premier league debuts v Arsenal goals it also shows the player. Many thanks. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35624234 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChiefInspClouseau (talk • contribs) 21:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * hey man, if you want to write matty a message, you have to press the "new section" tab up in the right hand corner, otherwise he probably wont see it :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeverHop (talk • contribs) 23:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Who are you
Are you a robot? Who are you? Are you hired by Wikipedia? Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No.
 * Mattythewhite, of course.
 * No. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Lee Brown
Hi Matty, re adding Croydon FC as a youth team for Lee Brown, my source is the current Croydon FC manager who actually played with him in the youth team at Croydon FC. We are looking for a source though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdavis500 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 14 May 2020 (UTC) --Pdavis500 (talk) 17:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, you will need a reliable source to support your additions; we can't rely on original research. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Gary Hooper
Moving post to bottom of page:

Disruptive editing? I'm sorry, I thought I was adding information relevant to the person in question. You probably removed my edit on Cillian Sheridan too. Please tell me how filling in true and factual information about these two individuals is disruptive. I'm actually a supporter of the team whos category I edited so I know what I'm saying. I saw no one had bothered to add anything so I thought hey I will. I don't see you adding any information. Nothing disruptive about it mate. You can check all the facts for yourself. Please tell me also how the site I sourced is unreliable, when they literally have the true and reliable information. (If you support Rangers thats cool, I do too but thats still no reason to remove information on Hooper just because he played for Celtic) How about you put the information back in yeah. Not even sure what your motivation for removing it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youretriggeredmate (talk • contribs) 02:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Ive put the info in again with WELLINGTON PHOENIX'S OFFICAL WEBSITE as the source. You can't get much more reliable than the actual website of the club the man plays for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youretriggeredmate (talk • contribs) 02:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have moved your posts to the bottom of the page (where new threads go). If you click new section at the top of a talk page when starting a new section, this will happen automatically. I have copy-edited the addition and formatted the reference more per WP:REFB (if you have not done so please review that page). Please note, Wikipedia requires sourcing for all 'facts' per WP:V and the onus is on the editor adding information to also source it. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 03:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I reverted you because you used Transfermarkt, which is not a reliable source. That's what my "motivation" was. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I suggest
You re-block, , , and ASAP. Whether or not those users are actually socks is immaterial at this point. Two of those blocks you reversed were CU blocks, and you never undo a CU block. Admins have been desysoped for that before, and I thought someone as active and experienced as you would know better. Pinging. Sro23 (talk) 07:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi
Hi,Mattythewhite, I don't know why you guys are threatning me to block me. What I wrote was truth, still you are listing my edit as vandalism Heyday to you (talk) 15:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, and thanks for reaching out. :-) I'm not Matty but as one of the people who have left warnings on your page I'll answer anyway. You have been repeatedly asked to include references when adding content – by Matty, me, and others. Yet you have seemed to ignored all pleas and warnings and instead have continued to introduce unsourced content. That is the reason.
 * It's great you're wanting to contribute to Wikipedia but you really need to start using references or you'll risk getting blocked. This is also necessary for "facts", unless they are common knowledge like "water is wet". Perhaps take some time and click on some of the links with explanations that were left on your Talk page. You're welcome to send me a message, I'm happy to help. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 15:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what he said ;) Mattythewhite (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Viduka page
Will you stop removing the updates to the Middlesbrough section of the Mark Viduka page, I do not appreciate the continued removal and now threat to block. What I have added is all factually correct and includes citations. If you watch the recent MFC interview, which is referenced in one of the citations, you will see yourself that these updates are accurate. As such a guardian of the Viduka page I am surprised you haven't already seen the recent interview and updated yourself — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoronaKing (talk • contribs) 09:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's the only reference you added, there's plenty of other new text you added which isn't cited. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
Please stop from adding "disruptive editing" messages on talk pages of users making good faith edits, threathening these users to block them from editing. If you continue to place these kind of messages while simply reverting the edits, as you did at User talk:Pelotas, please block yourself from editing. :p No but really... I'm not an ip address vandalizing pages. Pelotastalk</b>&#124; contribs 11:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if you're an IP or an experienced registered user, we are all supposed to play by the same rules here. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Zinchenko
Hi, I wanted to tell you that zinchenko has scored a goal for Manchester city against port vale in FA cup. But if you still insist,then I'll reference my edit Sincerely Heyday to you Heyday to you (talk) 15:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The infobox accounts for domestic league statistics only. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Oleksandr
Hi,this time I made sure that my edit at Oleksandr Zinchenko isn't disruptive or wrong or unreferenced. Heyday to you (talk) 17:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've already explained above why I reverted your edit! Mattythewhite (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Patience, Matty. :-) I think they meant this change which, unfortunately, I also had to revert. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Lilian Laslandes
Sources pertaining to Laslandes' career are not easy to come by, but this Wikipedia article states that he scored a goal on 8 September 1999 in a Euro 2000 qualifier against Armenia, so I believe it's safe to assume that he was a French international way past 1997, unless the information from the Euro qualification page is flawed as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2000_qualifying_Group_4

PS I managed to locate a source:

http://asbarez.com/41084/france-beats-armenia-3-2/

Thanks and best regards,

P.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.43.30.163 (talk) 20:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, according to National Football Teams his last cap was indeed in 1999. I'll update the article accordingly. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you! He wasn't part of France's Euro 2000 squad, so this may have been one of his last matches for France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.43.30.163 (talk) 06:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Turns out it was his second last appearance for France. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)