User talk:Mauriziok/List of actors in gay pornographic films

RfC and obfuscation of earlier consensus
In the archives of this talk page there are editing instructions for this page which represent earlier consensus. They actually address most of the sourcing and inclusion issues present in the article and, had they been followed, we would not be having an RfC about red links (or having a future one about sourcing). They are well written and useful - please read them:

How to edit this article

 * Note: Please read this information carefully before editing the article.

This is not a directory. See Wikipedia is not a directory.

This article is an index of Wikipedia articles that have been written and also serves as a list of articles that need to be written. In order for a name without an article to be included here, there must be a reasonable expectation that an article will be written about the person. See List guideline, Wikipedia:Lists of people.

With rare exceptions, the person who is the topic of the article should meet the current versions of the Notability (pornographic actors) and Notability guidelines. Like much else in Wikipedia, these are often undergoing edits; however, if an article is challenged for removal, failure to satisfy those guidelines is likely to be quoted as a reason for the article's deletion.

Any information about men listed here should always comply with Biographies of living people.

The list does not include performers who have appeared on websites or in live shows unless they have also appeared in a gay porn film.

Inclusion or removal
In addition to the statements above, the following list more specifically defines who may be included here.


 * 1) Unsourced names are removed.
 * 2) There must be a source for each name appearing on the list—each pseudonym ("a.k.a.") must be sourced.
 * 3) * The name must be sourced here even if there is an article on the person. If it's listed here, it needs to be sourced here as well as in the article. Other Wikipedia articles are not valid sources for this article.
 * 4) * The source must show that the performer has appeared in a gay porn film.
 * 5) * A source need not be a link to an internet website; other reliable sources may be cited. See Wikipedia:Attribution—Reliable sources.
 * 6) * Links to self-published personal websites are not valid sources. See Wikipedia:Attribution:Using questionable or self-published sources.
 * 7) * Links to retail websites are to be avoided.
 * 8) Each name requires only one citation to a reliable source to allow the name to be included here. Multiple references to encompass a performer's complete body of work are not required nor encouraged (put them in the performer's article).
 * 9) Names with videographies of four or fewer original films (not compilations) may be removed; they should not be reinserted until an encyclopedic article about them has been written.
 * 10) If an article about a performer failed an Articles for Deletion (AfD) deletion review the performer's name should be removed until an article that will survive such a review is written. See the section Removing names from the list below about the process for doing this.
 * 11) If no verifiable source showing the person was a performer in a gay porn film is found, 'the name must be deleted from the article and no further refernce to the name made—not in the edit summary or on this talk page.

Styles for entries with and without articles
All the videographies for a performer with pseudonyms should be listed at the first name in the list, even if that is not the most commonly known name or the name used for the title of the article. The use of see in his subsequent listings cross-references the first name; all the pseudonyms for a performer need not be listed at each entry in the list. Only the name with the references needs to be cross-referenced:


 * Daniel Brown a.k.a. Danny Brown, Dany Brown, Richard French Daniel Danny Dany French (straight)
 * Danny Brown see Daniel Brown
 * Dany Brown see Daniel Brown
 * Richard French see Daniel Brown

The name that is the link to an article may be included in the cross-reference:
 * Max Orloff see Jakub Moltin, a.k.a. Pavel Novotný

Unless there is an article on the performer listed here, their name should not be wikilinked. There should never be redlinks in this article. Do not wikilink a name before writing an article on the performer. An article about a person with an identical name to one listed here will be linked here even though the subject of the other article is not a performer in gay porn films.

Removing names from the list
A name on the list that is not a porn performer must be completely deleted; the name should not be mentioned in the edit summary; nor should it be listed here. The process of using invisible comments detailed below does not apply in the case where there is no evidence that the person was in porn.

If the name being removed is properly sourced and there is no question as to whether the person is a performer, it is preferable to format the name as an invisible comment rather than removing it. This will help prevent the same name being added and deleted multiple times. The comment should include the name of the performer, a reference to the source that shows he is a porn performer, and the reason for deletion.

If an article about a performer is deleted the name should be removed from the list and not reinserted unless and until an article that meets Wikipedia's requirements is written on the performer. Subsequent editors will then know not to reinsert it until the article about the performer is written. For example, Ralph Woods—who is a porn performer videography —failed an Articles for deletion review. Rather than deleting his entry altogether, it is commented out, using the invisible comments format:




 * The edit summary for the removal was: "Commented out Ralph Wood—failed AfD".

Only one blank line may be used outside the comment, either above or below the text; otherwise, an additional blank line is shown in the list. Multiple blank lines may be used inside the comment between the marks. Remember to leave the reference/videography information in the comment and add the reason for the name being removed so that the name isn't relisted.

Note: To reiterate, there should never be an invisible comment for a name that was deleted for not being sourced as a porn performer. Nor should the name be included in the edit summary; "Removed unsourced name" should be used instead. If the name is unsourced, it should not be associated with gay porn at all; do not list the name on the article's Talk page, either.

Article titles
Unless there is already an article with the same name as that of the performer or the performer's name is likely to be confused with someone or something else, no descriptor/modifier needs to be appended to the name for the article's title.

If a modifier is need, the convention is to use "(porn star)" after the name. In cases where there are more than two articles with identical names, they should all be listed at a disambiguation page (for an example, see Randy White).

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion
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Has this Keni Styles ever made a gay porn movie? So why is he included here, if he is heterosexual? 177.42.229.99 (talk) 00:37, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Brent Everett
Why is there a picture of Brent Everett when his Wiki page seems to have disappeared and so he is no longer in this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cannonmc (talk • contribs) 00:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Alphabetization
Why is this list alphabetized by first name? Shouldn't it be by last name? --Kbabej (talk) 21:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 13 November 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: There is support for using "pornographic" rather than "porn", and also rough consensus for dropping "male". &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

List of male performers in gay porn films → List of male performers in gay pornographic films – "Porn" is a slang term. Wikipedia generally uses "pornography". Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 04:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: pinging some editors who have recently edited on this page based on previous request from other editors to give alerts for LGBT topics- @User:Genericusername57, @User:Jo-Jo Eumerus, @User:Gene93k, @User:Czar, @User:Malcolmxl5, @User:Keiran Diksa, @User:Marquardtika, @User:Cannonmc. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and consistency with other article titles. Cheers, gnu 57 03:05, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per above. -Crossroads- (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Additional question: should "male" also be dropped from the title as redundant? Similar to how Gay pornography is not "Gay male pornography". -Crossroads- (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. Is this page just for male actors? Would actresses in non-sexual roles be listed here? That might be a triviality, as I'm unsure if there would be any notable actresses to list. Also, is "actor" or "performer" a better term? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:30, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Having thought it over, I would say to drop the "male" and just have it as List of actors in gay pornographic films. Personally, I think actor is preferable to performer. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 08:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Please consider the later suggestion of removing "male" --DannyS712 (talk) 04:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

One thing I didn't understand was why a straight porn star (Ian Scott) is on a list with gay porn actors. The movie is not even bisexual please

191.33.100.178 (talk) 01:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2020
Add porn start -

ItsBen is an emerging porn actor who's produces and distributes his content on www.pornhub.com/model/rawr-itsben and other porn sites. He recently won the 2020 XBIZ award for Rising Clip Star - Male https://www.xbiz.com/news/249651/2020-xbiz-awards-winners-announced 2603:9001:E08:AA82:BC47:DF43:40DD:FD36 (talk) 21:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌. Rawr Itsben does not have a Wikipedia article nor does he have references showing notability for getting a Wikipedia article. The performer is not even mentioned in the XBIZ link provided, and just winning a porn award is no longer enough to establish notability. • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)