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We suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you today for the article about "one of the most numerous bombsights of WWII, equipping the majority of Bomber Command during the height of their campaign against Germany. Connected to the NBS, it survived in the post-war period into the 1960s. Nevertheless, it is practically unknown today, overshadowed by the much more famous Norden (advertising pays!).!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

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I declined the PROD on Univel because I was able to easily find a number of quality references discussing Univel as a major part of the Unix story of its era. It's not just news snips, but found in many books. So I don't think it meets the bar for PROD. That said, I'm not against making this a merge target instead, but I'm having trouble figuring out why Taligent is notable while Univel was not, considering their very close parallels. If there is a merge, it would see it would be to UnixWare, not Novell. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:04, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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Ramjet Sea Slug?
Is there any sourcing for this? I've only ever heard of Bristol's work here being under the title of Red Duster. Also I don't know of any Bristol involvement in the LOPGAP - Seaslug path. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uLqzata5_QQC&pg=PA17

As part of the Stage 1 deliberations, the RAE asked the General Staff and Admiralty to prepare joint development efforts. At this time English Electric was working on 100,000 yard Red Heathen and AW on the LOPGAP-based liquid-fuel Sea Slug (still two words at this point). They were aware that longer range would be needed in the future, and in October 1948 they asked De Havilland to develop a ramjet Sea Slug entry, but they demurred as being too busy with Red Hawk, so they asked Bristol to submit.

The DPRC then got involved. They thought the idea of a single land and sea-based system was impossible. They also suggested the beam riding systems would not work at long range, and doubted the 100,000-yard system was even possible given the state of the art. They re-imagined all of these as 30,000-yard weapons, thus having three separate teams working on what was basically the same specification, differing largely in propulsion. They also moved the ramjet design, first putting it under the "new" Red Heathen as a purely land-based weapon, and then again separating that project into Red Shoes and Red Duster.

There's a really great chart that shows the evolution of these programs, but I can't find it. It think it's in the same book but on a page I can't get it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 02:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'd never heard of this before. Sadly most of the local people are dying off, so it's getting hard to talk to anyone who was on it.
 * I haven't read the Twigge book, but I've seen a few raised eyebrows over its accuracy on a few things. After all, it seems to think that Blue Streak was an Atlas derivative! Andy Dingley (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't read that part of the book so I went and read it. He does state that the engine was based on the Atlas. That is true as far as I am aware; Talking a Blue Streak (although, that's the reg so not exactly authoritative either). Hill states that too. Maury Markowitz (talk)
 * The RZ.2 is an S-3D, which is the Thor engine, not the Atlas. That's a whole generation past the XLR-89 of the Atlas. The Atlas relied on vernier engines for control, the S-3D was the first of this size where gimballing had become a practical control mechanism. Atlas did have gimballing, but there was (in the earlier Atlases) only a limited control authority. With the S-3D, this was all of it.
 * The RZ.2 was mostly an improvement in manufacture, rather than design. Better metallurgy and a furnace brazing technique allowed a bell with many more, smaller, channels in it. This was lighter and stronger and avoided some of the hot-spot problems.
 * El Reg depends a lot on who's writing it (Lewis!), and it suffers from bias more than inaccuracy. Most of Spadeadam has gone now too. Still some nice concrete, but the metal lying around has largely been cleared. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

"That's a whole generation past the XLR-89 of the Atlas" - but he didn't say XLR-89, he said "Navaho Atlas power plant". This, as I read it, refers generically to the LR79 family, so it's correct. Are there more obvious examples? If its filled with crap I'll discard it, but so far it passes the smell test so far anyway. Perhaps there's a thread on this book I should read? Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:54, 15 January 2020 (UTC) Wait, this brings up something I wanted to ask: are you anywhere near a library that might have a copy of Army Radar? The nearest one to me is in Ottawa (assuming it's actually there) and that's a long drive and especially less fun in the winter. I already have this one, but it's medium-quality at best. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I was looking at pp.23-24 which says "ostensibly a copy of the US Atlas missile", which just seems very sloppy. I can't see p56 and for annoying computer reasons my VPN is offline so I can't pretend to be American, where I might be able to see it (Google Books is near enough useless from the UK). I don't know much about UK rocketry of this age, as that was mostly a Midlands thing, so most of the interesting stuff I pick up is from things like when R-RHT meetings put people from Ansty into the same conversations as Bristol (and of course, Vertical Empire).
 * I don't know Army Radar and haven't seen it. Nor can I find it on a library search from home. However I'll email a friendly librarian, and see if they can track it down (although in this age of chaotic devolution, that's likely to depend on whether there's a copy in Wales, rather than England). I'll also ask the charity bookshop in Cardigan, where I've had some remarkable hauls on such books (Funny, that).
 * David Wilcox?  That's not ex-ROC, ex-HP Labs, David Wilcox, by any chance? I didn't know he'd written a book, but I could rather imagine him being in a position to do one. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

"Google Books is near enough useless from the UK" - it's pretty random here in the Great White North, but maybe 25% of the books give really quite a lot of the text. I wonder... what happens if you change the URL to .ca instead of .uk or .com? Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:34, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Are you planning to create Category:32-bit_microprocessors?
If so, i'll just do so now, and begin populating it with the ones I can think of off the top of my head (i.e. 80386, 68000, 88100, 88110, etc.) --moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * go for it! I'm mostly a retro guy that focuses on the 8-bit. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:01, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , I personally like a lot of the more fun 32-bit CPUs, like the SH2, 68000, 88100 (I own the manual for that one), etc. 80386 isn't my favorite, but it's a great processor too. moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * So, one quick question: are you judging bit-width based on the external bus, or the processor's address/data registers? moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Well that's a whole bag of worms... but in this case there is rarely a difference, every example I can think of has an8-bit data bus and works on 8-bit data. The 1802 is an oddball because it has 16-bit registers as well, but it still works on them 8-bits at a time including the data bus. Its when you start climbing the bits that it gets odd, like the 68000... Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Well, I personally think the best way to establish it is based on the size of the processor's GPR/majority registers (68000 is 32-bit, z80 is 8-bit, as the majority of registers are 8-bit, 1802 would likely need consensus/special casing, but i'd say it'd be identical to the z80's situation), and special-casing it whenever necessary. This might be a discussion for Wikiproject Computing's talkpage. moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OOOOR, we can just put processors that can operate in multiple bit-widths with no clear case in both categories as a temporary solution, which I think is fine for now. moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

One last thing...
WikiProject Computing/Computer hardware task force exists! It has its own importance rating and everything, so I was hoping you'd participate. Currently it's a tad lonely, as I just recently decided to revive the place a bit with my own attention, and the majority of signed-up participants are inactive. (Planning on poking all active users on that list soon, to make sure they remember their participation, and can remove it if they need to)

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Radiator (engine cooling)
Hi. At Radiator (engine cooling), you contributed a fair amount of content a couple of years ago. An IP editor,, recently stripped much of it with some verbose commentary in the edit summaries. (I mention it in case your watchlist has become as un-manageable as mine, and you might not have seen it. ) I'll note the IP is part of a range that has been repeatedly (and is currently) blocked, though I think it was to address a different problem editor.

On a related matter (and how I came upon this), despite different geolocation, based on the odd over-use of quotes, it seems to be the same user as. Both IPs added a bunch of content to Bendix-Stromberg pressure carburetor with a similarly un-encyclopedic style, total lack of citations, typos, etc.. After giving it some thought, with concern for the amount of work it probably took them to write it, I didn't see any way to easily salvage it and reverted it. Thoughts? —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:13, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, they removed all sorts of perfectly fine stuff. I particularly liked the check-in comment about how the fluid doesn't evaporate, but instead boils. Clearly an expert. Just use rollback. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah – I had a (rather discouraging) look at both /16s and they've been pretty much universally reverted in the past. The two edits to the Bendix article separated by an hour, with geolocations in Minnesota and Kansas, either point to him being in an SR-71, the geolocation being wrong, or there being a VPN in use, if you think someone might be interested in that. I know there are a surprising number of VPN blocks out there. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 12:30, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

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IMAGE
When you retargetted from IMAGE (spacecraft) to Image (disambiguation), you may have overlooked WP:FIXDABLINKS. The change - undoubtedly correct, in all-caps there's also IMAGE (database) - broke 238 links, which will have to be fixed by hand. Narky Blert (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am confused, there were 238 links to the spacecraft article? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, - is there a way to get to the what links here now after the change? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This report is more convenient than What-links-here with all its legitimate clutter (links with colons in, e.g. User:); but What-links-here gives the satisfaction of seeing fixed links disappear immediately on a refresh, rather than waiting 12 hours for the next bot run. Narky Blert (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

- ahhh, it was used in templates. It seemed unlikely this spacecraft was that popular. Three edits appear to fix the vast majority. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Narky Blert (talk) 14:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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SeaSlug
I notice you've been improving content with respect to SeaSlug; are you in a position to look at County-class destroyer and see if it needs any help? Apologies if it's already on your list, or if it's not your area of interest. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not so much into the ships as the missiles, but I could have a look at some point! Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok one thing off the top... there were a number of concepts tossed around before the design gelled, some smaller, some larger, some too large to crew given manpower limits. I think these should be separated out into their own sub-section... not too long, a couple of paragraphs just to give some color on the span of concepts. The other thing worth mentioning is the problem with the Seaslug launcher moving from two to three rounds and back to two. Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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First Interpreter
To start with, thank you for your many contributions to BASIC interpreter, especially the Compiler vs Interpreter section!

I have not been able to find a citation that HP TSB is actually an interpreter as opposed to a compile-and-go system. I've skimmed the manuals and hardware documentation. Do you have a citation for that? Thanks!


 * Sure, here for instance is the 3000 version (otherwise similar to TS), or here for the 2100 version. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Better yet, "The HP 2000 Series uses the HP Extended BASIC interpreter". Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:46, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I added a reference to that sales brochure.

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DYK nomination of Ferranti F100-L
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Well I did edit that one, but all that is is moving a para up a few lines within an article and it has cites. Is this an automated tool that's indicating the issue? If so, it's broken. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:39, 22 September 2020 (UTC) Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:39, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Ferranti F100-L
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DYK nomination of Improved United Kingdom Air Defence Ground Environment
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DYK for Airborne Cigar
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Doppler radio direction finding
Hi MM. Thanks for your infinite patience with the DYK process in respect of the above. It's now gone to prep, which is a relief. Meanwhile, I felt that I had let you down in that the article deserves something a bit nearer to a peer review, which I cannot personally provide. But I have three pet physicists who will occasionally step up if asked. One of them has kindly given the article a quick glance, and has offered this (copied and pasted by me to avoid error): "Just one query so far: "... and the higher Fc produces a larger divisor..." Fc is on the top line, so shouldn't it be "larger dividend"?" Cheers. Storye book (talk) 10:02, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, only noticed this now! And yes, consider it fixed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:05, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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I noticed that this one received over 5,000 page view, which goes to vindicate my assessment of the hook. Great job on the article! Hawkeye7  (discuss)  22:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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From here: "When disagreement becomes apparent, one, both, or all participants should cease warring and discuss the issue on the associated talk page". If you list me on the admin noticeboard, then you post to the user's talk page. - Seasider53 (talk) 16:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC) Wow, I've never seen so much wasted time and effort over a GF hatnote. Maury Markowitz (talk)
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DYK for Improved United Kingdom Air Defence Ground Environment
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Project Excalibur scheduled for TFA
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Thank you today for the article "about a rather strange event in the history of the cold war. It involves Edward Teller, Ronald Reagan, nuclear bombs and freaking lasers. If that were not enough, it's also filled with leaking top secrets, railroading people, lies, and is the basis for one of the major steps on LLNL's long downward spiral in the eyes of Washington."! ... one of the articles when I knew the author from the topic ;) - Id give you my November beeches but this page is so densely crwoded with DYK credits that I'd create whitespace, - see them on my talk or Bish's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Casaba-Howitzer
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Windscale Sfn no-target
Hi, a blast from the past here. introduces shortened footnote templates  referring to an item of media named "Windscale" with timecodes, so presumably a TV documentary or DVD perhaps. Unfortunately we can't tell, because there is no target defined. Can you help? Cheers! Captainllama (talk) 21:54, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, well caught. Fixed! Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:23, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent - and it's on YouTube, that's my evening's viewing sorted! Thank you Captainllama (talk) 21:43, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Plessey AR-3D
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