User talk:Mausermike1898

German 8 mm J/I and S bores
Hi,

You changed a few linked 8 x 60 S and 8 x 64 S texts to indicated those cartridges also exist in 8 mm I bores. Sadly the internal links did not work after you edits. The bores of the 8 x 60 S and 8 x 64 S are dimensioned just like the famous service cartridge 8 x 57 IS.

The J often mentioned by Anglo Saxon sources emerged due to misinterpretation of German typefaces. The J Anglo Saxons thought to read actually was an I for "Infantry". As you will have understood the 8 x 60 I or 8 x 64 I never existed since they saw no military service. The S in 8 x 57 IS and other German cartridges actually stands for "Spitz" indicating that the military ball was modernized to a for that time advanced aerodynamically more efficient design. The S however also indicates that the 8 mm bore dimensions where widened, making it unsafe to fire S bore sized ammunition through smaller sized German 8 mm bores that can come with or without an I addition. For safety reasons all German “wide” 8 mm bores and cartridges made for the wider 8 mm bore have the S added in their name.

The cartridges you tried to add do actually exist as C.I.P. datasheets (download the C.I.P. datasheets to see the German perspective regarding nomenclature, etc.) named the 8 x 60 and 8 x 64 by C.I.P. with bores dimensioned just like the 8 x 57 I. 8 x 60 and 8 x 64 chambered rifles are however very rare, since these chambering where generally used to circumvent legal restrictions regarding the use 8 x 57 IS chambered rifles in Germany.--Francis Flinch (talk) 12:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)