User talk:Maxim victory1990

August 2020
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Shariy
Thank you for your interest in improving Wikipedia. Unfortunately I had to revert your edit to Anatoly Shariy, because you provided no references to your information. We need references from reliable sources to verify facts our articles. Please see our main policies in this respect: WP:Verifiability, WP:CITE, WP:Reliable sources. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Anatoly Shariy
Stop removing well-sourced information from the article. Otherwise you can be blocked for vandalism.--KastusK (talk) 09:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Considering your censorship of critical information about Shariy:


 * Shariy openly advocated against homosexuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoCQTGy0fgc
 * The Heinrich Böll Foundation refers to specific homophobic statements made by Shariy in his blog entries: http://prochurch.info/index.php/more/16607 http://web.archive.org/web/20100622051511/https://www.obozrevatel.com/news/2010/3/22/357746.htm
 * The blog profile on Politiko belonged to Shariy. There are several captures of this profile since 2011 when Shariy was not well-known: http://web.archive.org/web/20110902080017/http://politiko.ua/profile-112435

So, stop removing well-sourced information. Use the talk page if you have doubts about the used sources.--KastusK (talk) 19:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

KastusK Thank you for your finding! However, in the video that Shariy says, there are no statements which are written in the article. It cannot be said that The Heinrich Böll Foundation is reliable. Such very sensitive statements are to be judged by video. But in this video he says different things, not with the same meaning as in the article. It's worth taking a snippet from his video.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoCQTGy0fgc The issue with the theses about the Romani was left unanswered, because there are no references to his words. Nowadays, a lot of things are being done to slander Anatoly Shariy, so the confirmation of such provocative things is necessary to find in the video instead of unconfirmed sources. Maxim victory1990 (talk) 11:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I only posted a link to this YouTube video because you wrote that you could not find any videos in which Shariy was talking about gay men. Therefore I referred to a video in which you can see that the mentioned Anatoliy Shariy from the Heinrich-Böll-Foundation text and the YouTube-blogger are the same persons. The Heinrich Böll Foundation provides specific sources for every quote. For example on page 57 of the text it refers to the text Голубая ржавчина. Диктатура содомитов. And in fact if you read this text you can find the quoted statements on Iran. The Wayback Machine captured the blog of Shariy since 2011 several times. This is definitely not a fake page. Otherwise this would mean that the "fake blog" was created in 2010 when nobody knew Shariy and nobody was interested in smearing him. It is also interesting that Shariy is not interested in commenting this blog entries.--KastusK (talk) 12:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

KastusK Okay, thanks for the video. But I still have 2 themes left: 1) It is more reasonable to take a quote from the video of Anatoly Shariy that you gave me than what is written. Video has an advantage over article 2) Thesis about the Romani. There are references to the news portal, which contains screenshots that could be faked. So there is even no link to the web version of his blog. It is not considered a reliable source.Maxim victory1990 (talk) 12:43, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

1) Generally, YouTube videos are not very welcomed sources on Wikipedia, especially when they are uploaded on small, unverified channels. 2) Here is the link to the blog entry. The Wayback Machine archived this entry.--KastusK (talk) 14:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

KastusK Hello ! Yes, indeed you have provided links to Anatoly's video. However, that was a long time ago and his words are not correct at this time. Also, the quotes from the resources that you have provided me can not be considered completely reliable, because they are still links to the web version… However, when I searched the Internet for Anatoly's video, I found the one where he expressed about Romani and gays. Anatoly very strongly condemns the violence against them, respectively, the quotes from his blog are irrelevant and untrue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXZ-w5REBb8&feature=youtu.be&t=1006

Direct speech : - I can tell you that for all my life, not one romani has ever done me anything wrong - not one romani was a participant of crimes, conspiracies, meanness against me - not one. As well as no gay man has ever done me anything bad ... I believe that something bad has been committed, that there is racism, that there is a nucleus of genocide not only in relation to the Romani. And I wish to hope that in spite of such representatives of Helsinki groups that they will soon notice, open their eyes and be noticed in human rights organizations with a name that nowadays try diligently to ignore what is already evident for several years...". It is his video of 2018, when representatives of the nationalist organization C14 burned down a camp of the Romanians in Kiev. In this video, Anatoly completely and unequivocally condemns the incident and demands that the perpetrators be punished immediately, as well as expressing his concern about racism in Ukraine.

As Wikipedia should have a neutral connotation of information, I believe that this thesis should be introduced, as it is a fully authentic source - his personal words, not a written article that cannot be fully verified by Anatoliy Shariy's authorship. Maxim victory1990 (talk) 09:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The quotes in the article remain reliable and they were obviously made by Shariy himself. The article mentions his work for the website Obozrevatel and in fact a person with the name of Anatoly Shariy posted there blog entries in which he compares gay people with "dog shit on the side of the road". I think it is obvious for everyone that this man had very homophobic views and that he was a member of the organizing committe of the movement Love Against Homosexuality. This remains a relevant part of his biography. However I do not deny that Shariy maybe already changed his mind on this topic and you are free to add it to the article. But please do not remove well-sourced relevant information from the article again.--KastusK (talk) 10:39, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss article content in article talk pages. This is not only between you two. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:13, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Sharij article formatting
YOU already see how to use external links in the articles. YOu cannot link whole sentences, you have to use footnote. You are creating unnecessary work for others. Please follow the examples in the article, otherwise I will be reverting your contributions. Also, please avoid excessive quotations, please summarize. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Staszek Lem Thank you so much!!!--Maxim victory1990 (talk) 05:53, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

A lengthy welcome
Hi Maxim victory1990. Welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you don't mind if I share some of my thoughts on starting out as a new editor on Wikipedia: If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Wikipedia by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are resolved quickly and easily.

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If you work from reliable, independent sources, you shouldn't go far wrong. WP:RSP and WP:RSN are helpful in determining if a source is reliable.

I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 23:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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Please stop
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Anatoly Shariy. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.