User talk:Mayumashu/Archives/2011/September

CFD for Dover
I know the previous discussion closed recently but I feel there needed to be more consensus. Please see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_September_1. Simply south...... eating shoes for 5 years So much for ER 18:49, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Japanese names
Hi! I read your edit summary at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akebono_Tar%C5%8D&diff=443153872&oldid=442953887

The problem is, that rule to my knowledge does not exist. Instead the MOS-JA clearly says here: MOS-JA WhisperToMe (talk) 01:44, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "For a modern figure—a person born after the beginning of the Meiji period (January 1, 1868 onward for our purposes)—always use the Western order of given name + family name for Western alphabet, and Japanese style family name+ +given name for Japanese characters."
 * As in always as in there are no exceptions
 * Taro Akebono is the man's legal name, so it certainly falls under MOS-JA.
 * So why aren't the sumo wrestler bios named the same way? Not all bios use people's legal names - what about WP:Commonname??  Mayumashu (talk) 03:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, pen names are often treated the same way if they are considered to have a "family name". - I.E. Yukio Mishima
 * There has been extensive discussion about the naming issue in general on MOS-JA. I'm not sure if it's discussed sumo wrestlers in particular.
 * There is also Manual_of_Style/Japan-related_articles - But it says "If the individual is more well known by family name + given name, a redirect for that should be used as well, and the article should note the multiple ways the name is used."
 * It may help to start a talk page discussion about sumo names specifically. It may also help to conduct research and find what RSes say about sumo wrestler naming in English.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 04:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you are going about this in the right way, working through the different policies and guidelines. The impression I have is that WP:Commonname trumps many of the other naming policies for articles (but not necessarily categories).  Thanks for providing the various references - I may start up a sumo naming talk at some point and won't for now attempt to revert back to simply Akebono (assuming you have undone - I havent checked).  Good talking with you, Mayumashu (talk) 12:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi! Please look at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Japan-related_articles WhisperToMe (talk) 18:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC)