User talk:Mayumashu/Archives/2013/January

Yogyakarta
Little change to your proposal: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_December_31 - AsianGeographer (talk) 15:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Haulap actors
I tried to comment on this CfD and it disappeared. Ghost in the machine? --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 23:38, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't know - haven't been to the CfD for a few days. Will go looking... Mayumashu (talk) 23:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Kyoto
Hello, Mayumushu. I have undone some of your changes to Kyoto because we already have a disambiguation page at Kyoto (disambiguation), and there is no need to create a second disambiguation page for the same title.

In addition, you may have overlooked WP:FIXDABLINKS, which says:
 * A code of honor for creating disambiguation pages is to fix all resulting mis-directed links.
 * Before moving an article to a qualified name (in order to create a disambiguation page at the base name, to move an existing disambiguation page to that name, or to redirect that name to a disambiguation page), click on What links here to find all of the incoming links. Repair all of those incoming links to use the new article name.

In fact, there are over 3,000 other Wikipedia articles that contain links to "Kyoto". Before you change the article that Kyoto redirects to, all of these links should be checked and fixed to ensure that they take readers to the intended article. Thank you. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I wasn't thinking to see if Kyoto (disambiguation) exists. Mayumashu (talk) 00:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You should not have performed these edits. Per WP:MOS-JA's section on cities, all designated cities of Japan are at non-disambiguated titles. Now everyone has to do a whole lot of fixes because Kyoto should not be at Kyoto (city).— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "Per WP:MOS-JA's section on cities, all designated cities of Japan are at non-disambiguated titles"—where does it say that?  Al I see is "For designated cities, use {city-name} without appending the prefecture unless disambiguation from another city or prefecture is necessary."  Curly Turkey (gobble) 22:44, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you have a history of page moves that go against the consensus of various WikiProjects. Do not move any pages on municipalities, please.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 07:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Where does it say in WP policy that a contributor must only edit according to prevailing opinion on particular WikiProjects? And I don't know about various - just ice hockey with categorization and Japan with naming convention, I believe. But, anyway, I won't try moving Japanese municipalities any more for quite a while if ever. Mayumashu (talk) 07:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:CONSENSUS. I've brought this up on WP:ANI because this is not a one-time issue.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 08:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, WP:RM/TR makes it pretty clear that you shouldn't move an article if there's any reason to believe the move might be contested. I'm not saying you should have known about WP:MOS-JA or that some wikiproject's opinion on these matters is final, of course. Although I would certainly have tried to get some more input via something like RM in any case about such a longstanding article on such a notable topic. Or at least look at the talk page to see if there was previously an RM... HaugenErik (talk) 20:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I pretty much knew the move would be contested and shouldn't have attempted it, in hindsight. From now on, I will definitely consult talk pages for articles I wish to move that are on such as notable topic as this one was. Mayumashu (talk) 20:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "I pretty much knew the move would be contested"—That's a good intuition. In the future if the same thought occurs to you please do not move the page without a discussion. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 17:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Mayumashu your qualification of "that are on such as notable topic as this one was" is not sufficient. The need to use the WP:RM process applies to all contentious, or potentially contentious move of articles whether you think them notable or not (See the guidance at WP:RM). -- PBS (talk) 13:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. Mayumashu (talk) 19:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Category tags
I noticed your numerous edits like [] without edit summaries. Can you explain what do you doing and why? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 07:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been listing category links so they appear alphabetically, as that is or at least very much seems to be the preferred tendency for them with WP articles. (My understanding is that there is no policy that particularly advocates this, nor any that forbids or even would discourage such edits.) Mayumashu (talk) 07:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want to see category links in alphabetical order, then I can provide you with a personal script which makes such rearranging whenever you browse an article, without any edits. If you feel that a substantial number of users prefer alphabetical ordering (instead, I generally prefer ordering from high relevance to low), then such scripts may be installed as a gadget available to all registered users. Do not make useless edits, please. Agreed? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 07:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, if the script gadget could be an option for registered users, having that option available would be a plus, I'd say. I would like to try it out myself, if I could take you up on your offer to have it provided. Mayumashu (talk) 08:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * After a couple of hours of my work it was created: User:Incnis Mrsi/Dictsort categories. Please, check whether it actually works with your account. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 19:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. (It may take me a while to get it going since I'm a rather inexperienced at computers.) Mayumashu (talk) 20:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It works like a charm. I really appreciate the time this took you to set up and due to it I won't go about anymore making edits that just list categories alphabetically, as you would have me do. (I imagine it is a lot harder, impossible to create a script for listing cats according to perceived relevance.) Mayumashu (talk) 21:09, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome to Wikipedia
I am, indeed, new as an editor to Wikipedia, though of course, not to reading it. :)

As for the editing, I did intend to remove some of that content, and edit others.

I am a professional with Peter Burwash Int'l, and have had a few talks with Peter. Peter would like to see a different focus on the page. Not to become a PR exercise, however. Just less on his playing career, and more on what he has been doing recently. Thus, the editing.

Plus, to be honest, the tone of the words used to describe some of Peter's results are a bit harsh, imho. Those as well, I would like to remove, as I see no point in them. They do feel a bit mean-spirited.

Finally, there is more content I would like to add, and will be in conversation with Peter regarding that content. I understand more sources are needed, and from Peter I will get them. Then they will appear on the page.

Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorje88 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Changing the tone of the language used to describe Burwash's results
There is the one comment that he beat a guy in DC who win winless in DC play - I can see that one be unflattering, of course. But WP bios are not meant, as Burwash would like it seems, to be flattering alternatively, and certainly not misleading. These are his actual results - you replaced them with a comment suggesting he won 19 international titles and presumably on the Grand Prix/WCT tours. (I don't dispute that he might have won 19 international titles of various sorts, but the sentence used suggests that the wins came on the tier one tours.)

I see the article as already having a fair balance between his not so glowing tier one tour tennis results and his other, impressive, accomplishments. It's commmon WP practice for tennis bios to give tour results, end of. Mayumashu (talk) 08:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

If you are sincere in what you say, then why not be positive first (where till now it's been about vandalising deletion) and add about what he has done recently - there's nothing newer than 2006 in the bio that I can see (I think he was a tv tennis analyst till 2008 or 2009, if memory serves.) Till now there has just been the ongoing attempts to blanket remove the "unflattering" results. (He participated at tier one tour level - I play tennis and know that that is not easy to do at all; that in itself is a significant accomplishment.) Mayumashu (talk) 08:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

One last thing, as apologies for my long comment, but you will need sources independent of Peter's to substantiate his bio, obviously. Without independent sources, comments prefaced with "Burwash maintains that" or "According to Burwash himself..." etc. might be able to be kept, but I wonder. Mayumashu (talk) 08:56, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

edit about tourney victories
My second edit did reword the section about his tournament victories. After saying while he traveled on the tour, Peter also won 19 International, etc... I realized what you said was true, that it did appear that they were ATP tour victories, which they were not. Unfortunately, because of the times, these titles cannot be verified.

As for Peter's intentions, he is not trying to embellish his playing record, but rather trying to have the focus of the page be on more recent endeavors. As it is, a large chunk of the page is devoted to a relatively small part of his life/career. Perhaps we can move the results to a lower part of the page, and move the recent stuff upwards.

I will be adding more content as I get all the facts collected from Peter. Maybe that will help.

By the way, I seem unable to respond to your messages on the same page as you have written to me. I know this is my fault. It would be easier to follow the discussion if I knew how. Could you direct me to that button/help page/skill?

Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorje88 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

putting Burwash's recent accomplishments first and tour results second
Yeah, why not - go for it. (I removed the comment that Rolle never won a DC match, btw.) Mayumashu (talk) 08:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Category:Native American actors who performed in a Native American language
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Native American actors who performed in a Native American language. Because you participated in the original discussion, you might be interested in the deletion review. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks Good Olfactory. Mayumashu (talk) 13:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)