User talk:McDoobAU93/Archive/2012

Mission: SPACE link removal
Hey there McDoob (love that name, by the way). I recently added an external link to the Mission: SPACE page linking to a website that gives unbiased (from what I see) ride ratings. When you removed it I read the page on external links and what they can be and what they should not be, and I think the link to that site was credible and made sense to list. I'd like to know why you considered that site to be bad for the external links and removed it. While I'm not a "new user" here I don't contribute too much so I still am inexperienced. Thanks for clarifying. Tcwmatt (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey there, I'll be glad to clarify what I mean. There are a few problems I have with the site, and not in and of itself (actually, it looks pretty good and says the same things I would say). First, it appears to be a fan-site, which is not considered reliable enough for use as a source in Wikipedia. This also includes for external links, as the usual case for someone posting such a site here is to promote and drive traffic to it. Second, this type of information belongs in a travel guide, which is something Wikipedia is not. I would actually suggest this site for something like Wikitravel. Again, it's not a bad site, but it's inappropriate here. I would have no problem mentioning this site on the article's talk page, and if consensus wants it in there, then so be it.


 * I do apologize for using the template, as I do know the general guideline is don't use template warnings for regular contributors. That said, I do hope this makes my reasoning a bit clearer. Please feel free to message me again if you have any questions or additional concerns. Thank you for your contributions, and Happy New Year! -- McDoob  AU  93  06:50, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks so much for clarifying - I think I am understanding it better now! For the record, the attractions summaries are straight off the Walt Disney World website, and it wasn't necessarily placed here to promote it. That said, I still do understand your reasoning and appreciate the clarification. Have an awesome New Year yourself! Tcwmatt (talk) 18:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:GalagaOrnament.JPG
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The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q4 2011
MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 06:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Source Does Not Mention Alpha and Omega
I thought the source did mention it. Sorry. My mistake. --Ktommy (talk) 12:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I even went back to double-check, and did a simple word-search for the word "Alpha", and it came back empty. There may well be another source out there where Lasseter mentioned Alpha and Omega, but it would need to be provided if that particular statement is to be included. -- McDoob  AU  93  14:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Drill team at Six Flags opening
(Timeline Edit) I would like to add information and a picture of the "Flying Rifles" drill team that performed throughout the park during its opening year, 1967. The "Flying Rifles" were an all African American ROTC high school drill team that was better known as the "Raiders" of West Fulton High School (under the directorship of SFC Harold Jordan (U.S. Army) and High School Drill Team leader James (Spunk) Gales. The Raiders won 1st Place in overall high school drill team competition at Fort Gordon in August, Georgia in 1967. As a former member of the "Raiders" and "Flying Rifles," I thought that it would also be significant to add that while taking part of the "Flying Rifles" drill team (representing Six Flags Over Georgia), we were awarded the 1st Place trophy as the best marching unit by the officials of the July 4 1967, WSB's Salute to America Parade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbee2613 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC) Jbee2613 (talk) 13:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Jbee2613


 * OK, I would have no problem adding a photograph of the team appearing at the park, if the picture clearly shows that they are indeed performing at the park. However, the caption should be relatively specific, saying something like: "Flying Rifles drill team performing during Six Flags Over Georgia's inaugural season." The rest of the information you're describing, while certainly remarkable, has little value for the park article. It would belong, instead, in an article on the drill team, if one were ever created. -- McDoob  AU  93  17:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting that vandalism on my talk page. My internet slowed down so I couldn't revert it fast enough. --   Luke      (Talk)   17:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome ... I'm keeping an eye on this one until he's blocked, which I'm hoping will be momentarily. -- McDoob  AU  93  17:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about User talk:Raphcool34, he vandalized your page in French, perhaps he has an account over at fr.wiki too?  Salvidrim!   17:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, he does. fr:User talk:Raphcool34, blocked yesterday. Figures.   Salvidrim!   18:01, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

"Tangled"/"Rapunzel" Title talk
I found the info on the Magic Forum pages at photosmagiques.com, and several countries (Germany, Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland and Belgium) will use "Rapunzel" instead of "Tangled" as the film title. I'll post a reference later as Opera does not allow such. NoseNuggets (talk) 1:35 PM US EDT July 14 2010

Tag for archiving:  McDoob AU  93  17:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

More Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to figure out what had happened in relation to the bot message concerning the photo in the Nick Drake page. Mystery solved, thanks to your efforts; much appreciated.

Dreadarthur (talk) 03:32, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a problem at all ... just a little sleuthing to figure out who deleted the photo. Can imagine there's some editor saying, "And I'd have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling kids and that dumb dog!" :) -- McDoob  AU  93  18:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

thanks! i got a lot better writing articles.--Ethen12 (talk) 17:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You're quite welcome ... I've looked back at some of my original edits and can see how my current style is so much improved over how I was back then. -- McDoob  AU  93  18:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Message
Oh my gosh! Have you seen Accused At 17(film)? Why can't you answer my questions? If you saw Accused At 17, then you just have to give me your opinion.(108.94.9.153 (talk) 05:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)).


 * Note that this guy is a Ref Desk troll, looks like the same guy as 99.88.78.94, who is currently in a lengthy block due to trolling the Ref Desks with similar absurd questions. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:09, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. The same person beyond all reasonable doubt, and now blocked. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:33, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the assist, both of you. I had a feeling we were dealing with a troll after I saw the post of two nearly-identical questions right afterwards. So you can indeed get blocked for disrupting the Reference Desk. That is good to know, as there is also an anon IP who keeps asking the same question about Japanese-market video games ("Game X is rated Y by Japan, so can kids play it?" or "Game Z has Kanji characters, so can little kids read it?") and has done so from multiple IPs, despite requests to stop and reminders that their question has been answered previously. If this anon pops up again, I'll let you both know. Thanks again. -- McDoob AU  93  16:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do. JamesBWatson (talk) 17:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a lot more flexibility at the ref desk, as it's not a set of articles as such. The problem with this particular guy is not so much that he asks questions, but the aggressiveness and persistence and not listening despite being told many times that we can't answer speculative questions. He (and probably your video game guy also) need to find discussion boards where they can go on and on about these things to their hearts' content. The ref desk is not supposed to be a discussion board as such, even though it can get that way at times - but there are limits. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the person's posts both to the ref desk and on user talk pages became something close to harassment of users at times. That was a significant contributing factor in the block, too. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, he would go to user pages and try to convince them to watch some TV show to explain something to him. Very annoying. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Although the Japanese-gaming troll isn't that aggressive, he is persistent. If he appears again, I'll make sure you're aware of it and can provide guidance to see how best to proceed. -- McDoob  AU  93  21:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I saw this edit and this discussion came to mind. Wondered if it was related or not. Just an FYI, throwing it out there. Sergecross73  msg me   21:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's him again ... removed his question and posted a final warning for using talk pages as chat forums. -- McDoob  AU  93  22:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

adopt me
hi, mcdoob!i'm ethen12, the user that you helped. i am wondering if you could adopt me.thx, --ethen bowen 00:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethen12 (talk • contribs)

Disney California Adventure
I am requesting Disney California Advnture Park be moved to Disney California Adventure. Nothing refers to it with the Park on the end and everybody in the talk section agrees that it needs to be changed to just Disney California Adventure. --Astros4477 (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Disney California Adventure Park is indefinitely move-protected since June 2010. A request needs to be lodged at WP:RFUP.  I believe any reasonable admin will agree to it unconditionally, the protection probably should have temporary to start with.   Salvidrim!   15:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Message
For example, on Entertainment Reference Desk, is it ok for me to ask, In Law & Order SVU Season 11 Episode Turmoil, did Shane's father kill Shane on Purpose?(JimSullivan123 (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)).


 * No it would not, because you're asking a person's opinion on what happened in a given scene. That opinion is based on their interpretation of the events. Your interpretation may differ, as would another editor who might respond to the question. The show's writers sometimes leave things intentionally ambiguous to allow the viewer to draw their own conclusions, since there really isn't a right or wrong answer if the character doesn't say explicitly why they do something. -- McDoob  AU  93  05:01, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

My opinion's that Shane's father killed Shane on purpose. I don't mind if someone else has different opinions. Why can't I still ask if Shane's father killed Shane on purpose? Instead, is it ok for me to ask, "Does anyone believe that Shane's father killed Shane on purpose?"(JimSullivan123 (talk) 05:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)).


 * No, because then the question is more on the lines of a forum post, which is not permitted here. -- McDoob  AU  93  05:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Restoring PROD tags
I noticed you restored a PROD tag to LEPTON CMS. Please read the PROD policy in this regard. PROD tags can be removed by anyone including the article creator and should not be replaced. Thanks. --Pontificalibus (talk) 15:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * My apologies ... I can't believe I missed that one. Thank you very much for the heads-up, and I'll be sure to keep an eye on that in the future. -- McDoob  AU  93  15:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Reply to your answer (READ NOW!!!)
Okay, I sent Atari a complaint. I will have to see when I get a reply from them. Don't forget about this: HELP TO GET ALL THE HUMONGOUS ENTERTAINMENT GAMES BACK ON TRACK!!!

I have waited for HOURS for a reply from Atari and they weren't paying attention to me. The message says this: "Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your ticket. One of our agents will get back to you as soon as possible. For your records, the details of the ticket are listed below. When replying, please make sure that the ticket ID is kept in the subject line to ensure that your replies are tracked appropriately.

Ticket ID: QDL-685-88717 Subject: Humongous Entertainment PC Games No Longer Available Department: Community Forums Type: Question Status: Open

Kind regards, Atari."

So, I can't get a faster answer from them. What I am continuing to ask is that I wanted to know what happened to all of those PC games. Now, I came to back to what your haven't answered: "How come Atari would take those games away, even when they're trying to force us to use that crappy iOS stuff?" It's like hell. Please tell me NOW (and immediately); I've got nothing.

68.224.119.202 (talk) 02:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport
--Chaswmsday (talk) 12:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Xbox 360 system software
There is this article addition properly cited now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_system_software

System Software Changes/Other, Fixes color space issue and improves overall performance.[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.76.252 (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello
My edits keep being reverted on Britain's Got Talent by what I believe is the same person by using different accounts. I've made a discussion and they've continued to revert my changes with no feasible reason. One of the accounts agreed with me, so I changed it, but now they're reverting it still. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Britain%27s_Got_Talent&action=history JackJackUK (talk) 23:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You're falling into the same trap as you did at American Idol. Instead of continually reverting, you should instead discuss it. I do see why they're saying that this judge should not be included in the main list because they only appeared briefly, and she was only credited as a "guest", not a full-time judge. On the other hand, Cheryl Cole only appeared in a couple of audition episodes of The X Factor here in the US, but she's included in the infobox for that article.


 * However, there are two key things that are different. First, we don't know how consensus was formed at X Factor, and apparently consensus is not to include Kelly Brook in the infobox at Britain's Got Talent, so that would need to be discussed (or at least reviewed, if it's been discussed and settled previously). Second, you're edit warring again and again are at 3RR (you made the initial edit at 19:13, then undid reverts at 19:24, 19:37 and 21:59). That cannot be allowed to continue.


 * I know you haven't been on Wikipedia for very long and that you are wanting to improve the articles in which you edit, but it seems like you could use some assistance in how to collaborate with the project. I can help mentor you in that regard, if you'd like. Let me know what you think.


 * -- McDoob AU  93  23:18, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah ok then, what does that entail exactly? JackJackUK (talk) 16:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There is adoption, an informal, short-term process where an experienced editor helps guide you through how things work around here. Not just how to edit, but how to collaborate, as well. Based on what I've seen over the last day or so, that seems to be where you need the most assistance and guidance. It can even be as informal as just having an experienced editor that you communicate with and can ask questions of. -- McDoob  AU  93  16:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Yup, ok, I'm up for that. And can you also do something about TVFAN24, he is doing my head in. He's reverted the changes once again on American Idol and America's Got Talent to a completely different format, and didn't even bother to discuss it. Hzh and I were reaching an agreement and he's just ignored it. Cheers and once again apologies. JackJackUK (talk) 18:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I just looked at Idol and I agree that TVFAN24 should not have done that. I'll discuss that with him separately. -- McDoob  AU  93  18:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. JackJackUK (talk) 19:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * In regards to having someone in your corner and/or adoption, I'd be glad to help out. If you have a question or if things get heated, come here first. I'm almost always available, and respond to messages pretty quickly. The goal is simply to make you a better editor, which we all want to be (myself included, without question). The biggest thing to remember: there is no deadline. -- McDoob  AU  93  19:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah erm, TVFAN24 is continuing to ignore the consensus in the American Idol talk section and do things on his own accord, and it's starting to get very tedious.JackJackUK (talk) 23:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, having a problem with Howabout90 now on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain%27s_Got_Talent. I've reverted his changes twice, but he seems to persist in reverting mine and has done three times. I've tried to reach a consensus with him on his Talk page but he deleted whatever I post and therefore is not interested in negotiating. It's a silly change really, but I think it's good to keep consistency and I am willing to compromise, but he's not lol. JackJackUK (talk) 21:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure whether you got my other message, but basically he's entirely disinterested in discussing anything. He seems to think he's the only one who does valid edits to the page. JackJackUK (talk) 21:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just wondering also, how do you get more than one Sandbox? JackJackUK (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can start up a second, third, fourth ... to my knowledge, there's no limit, but I'm sure it's possible to have an excessive number, as well. Just start up a new userpage like you did the first one. -- McDoob  AU  93  22:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Why is it fair that the user on The Voice U.S., America's Got Talent and American Idol can force their changes on the page, when I can't? This is ridiculous. There is a page I read somewhere that says every page is different and one does not follow the other. Why is he allowed to walse in and start making edits, and yet I can't. I'm baffled.JackJackUK (talk) 22:42, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.
Hey McDoob,

Thanks for all the support and advice you've given me since I joined Wikipedia in 2011, but I'll be leaving the website as an editor now. I cause too many arguments, confrontations and upset too many people, and I'm not finding the experience enjoyable anymore. I'd like to once again thank you for all your help and assistance, and all the best for the future.JackJackUK (talk) 20:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I can understand your frustration, but I would suggest that you reconsider. Maybe observe for a bit and see how things work from behind the scenes. By that, I mean follow discussions on talk pages, read edit summaries, things like that. At minimum, it leaves your options open. -- McDoob  AU  93  20:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * (Talk page watcher) - I agree. Back when I first started editing, I spent much more time reading discussions, and only contributing to slower, less popular, and less controversial articles. Then, once I learned more, I started branching out into more serious articles. Perhaps you jumped right in a little too fast? Sergecross73   msg me   20:36, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Reference desk question
Hi McDoob, thanks again! I take it that the song was used more to set the mood of the ad than as a description of it, unless I'm missing something. Graham 87 05:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * You're exactly right, although the lyric "baby won't ya come on home" could also reference giving the animals good homes instead of letting them become lab experiments. This video was very similar to the ads run here in the United States by the ASPCA that use the song "Angel" by Sarah McLachlan, who also appears in the ads as the spokesperson. Here is an example you can listen to; this particular PSA was done for the British Columbia SPCA and has been re-used in the USA as well. In the ad, there are lots of pictures of abused and neglected animals and some intertitles giving statistics on how often animals are abused, for example. Ms. McLachlan herself appears in the spot about one minute in. -- McDoob  AU  93  05:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse updates
Hi McDoobAU! A few updates for you about Wikipedia:Teahouse, since you're one of our awesome Teahouse hosts!:
 * The host lounge is open! Please take time to review the materials in the space and start contributing to the how-to pages. Your input is valuable. Not only is it great practice to get our minds thinking like hosts, but, you can also provide easy to understand instructions and sound bites for fellow hosts!
 * Join the conversation by participating on the host lounge talk pages. We also have an IRC channel now for hosts to get to know one another, develop your skills, and eventually the channel will serve as an additional help space for new editors!
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Very exciting things are taking place, and we'll be opening the Teahouse no later than Monday. Feel free to ping me on or off wiki, and I can't wait to work with you to welcome new editors with a warm cup of tea :) SarahStierch (talk) 03:36, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

The Teahouse is Open!
Hi McDoobA! Great news: The Teahouse is open for business! We're ready to start inviting new users, answering questions and inspiring one another. If you haven't already taken a look at the links provided in the most recent Teahouse update, posted on your talk page, please do! Don't forget to add yourself to the Host page if you haven't already. What's next? Inviting hosts and reporting your invitation information. See you at the Teahouse! SarahStierch (talk) 18:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Please familiarize yourself with this brief rundown of your responsibilities as a Teahouse host.
 * Use the invitation guide to invite new users and report your invites.
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 * Heya McDoobA! Just dropping by to let the hosts know about some new suggestions I've made based on interactions at the Teahouse thus far. Please take a look when you can! Thanks and see you at the Teahouse. New suggestions regarding Q&A participation for hosts. SarahStierch (talk) 19:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Message
Dear McDoobAU93: I can and will get the page number ASAP. Most likely sometime tomorrow. Thank you for your explanation. Sincerely, K-Dawg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.231.92.10 (talk) 18:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * What's there works for me, but please do get the page number as soon as possible. I've added the "cite journal" template and moved the game up the list, since it currently has the most tied-down release date there (the hierarchy basically is full date appears first, then month and year, then season/quarter and year, then just year, then TBA). -- McDoob  AU  93  18:40, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Amusement Parks!
Hey McDoobAU! Since you are the Teahouse resident amusement park project participant, may I add you as our contact here? SarahStierch (talk) 16:04, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You absolutely may ... I'm also part of WP Disney, so if you need help there, as well, please feel free to add me! -- McDoob  AU  93  16:07, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! :) Thank you thank you. SarahStierch (talk) 18:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage engagement strategy released
Hey guys!

I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox -.

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 02:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Angry Birds
I think you've done an excellent job on this article; in particular you did an excellent job in rescuing it from the abysmal state that its creator gave it. You should consider nominating it at WP:FAC; I would be happy to join you as a nominator. Inter change  able | talk to me  21:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm flattered you think so. Of course it wasn't just me, but I have been following this one since it started, so it is something of my baby, ownership issues notwithstanding. I'd love to see it reach FA-level. -- McDoob  AU  93  22:38, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it not FA level right now? That's what I think. Inter  change  able | talk to me  16:05, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Airport destination tables (still...)
McDoobAU93, as a uninvolved editor, could you please "close" the discussion or "declare consensus" or whatever? User:Jetstreamer is "requiring" this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports and is threatening reverts at Talk:Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport. This is why I didn't immediately "get to it" as you suggested. Sigh. Thanks. --Chaswmsday (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Don't know if you've seen this... --Chaswmsday (talk) 23:11, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, have been somewhat distracted of late. I don't have any problem with it, but ultimately it should be an administrator who does it. Let me take a look and see if a regular editor who didn't vote previously can make such a determination. -- McDoob  AU  93  23:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much ... I'm a honored to receive this, just as I am honored to be taking part in this exciting new venture to help the project. -- McDoob  AU  93  19:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter
Hey guys!

Thanks to all of you who have commented on the New Page Triage talkpage. If you haven't had a chance yet, check it out; we're discussing some pretty interesting ideas, both from the Foundation and the community, and moving towards implementing quite a few of them :).

In addition, on Tuesday 13th March, we're holding an office hours session in #wikimedia-office on IRC at 19:00 UTC (11am Pacific time). If you can make it, please do; we'll have a lot of stuff to show you and talk about, including (hopefully) a timetable of when we're planning to do what. If you can't come, for whatever reason, let me know on my talkpage and I'm happy to send you the logs so you can get an idea of what happened :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:54, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue One - Recent news from the Teahouse
Hi! Welcome to the first edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse! You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * A refreshed "Your hosts" page encourages experienced Wikipedians to learn about the Teahouse and participate. With community input, the Teahouse has updated the Your hosts page which details the host roles within the Teahouse pilot and the importance that hosts play in providing a friendly, special experience not always found on other welcome/help spaces on Wikipedia. It also explains how Teahouse hosts are important regarding metrics reporting during this pilot. Are you an experienced editor who wants to help out? Take a look at the new page today and start learning about the hosts tasks and how you can participate!
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Your Talk Page
FYI, I don't mean to alter people's talk page typically, but an IP left some especially colorful comments recently, and I took the liberty of removing them. You can check out your TP History if you really want to see it... Sergecross73  msg me  4:33 pm, Today (UTC−4)
 * I removed some more of the extreme vulgarity.  Salvidrim!   20:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Huh. Not sure why by rollback didn't catch it all, it looked like he made all three posts right in a row. Oh well. I tried. Good catch, Salvidrim. Sergecross73   msg me   20:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehehe I thought it was funny as hell actually. Proves I was right when I reverted their handiwork. And thank you both for taking the time to clean house while I was out and about! -- McDoob  AU  93  22:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I know you and Salvidrim have, and would, do the same for me. Sergecross73   msg me   01:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage newsletter
Hey all!

Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).

In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!

Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Message
Hi its ajiksbabygreat. you visited my article aboout a month ago when i needed help. sorry to reply late as i have not been on the site much plus i am still learning and all still looks confusing. i will be glad if you could help me perfect my article for submission.you can make or add changes. please let me know if you get this message. thanks (Ajiksbabygreat (talk) 23:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC))

Teahouse Talkback reminder!
Hi McDoob! Great work on the Teahouse :) I did notice you forgot to let a few people know you replied to their questions. When you are finished answering a question on the Teahouse page, it'd be awesome if you'd leave a Teahouse Talkback on the editors page. Any concerns or issues, let me know :) Thanks! Sarah (talk) 12:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Angry Birds
Undid your revert. I've already found the sources to back up my additions. I just felt lazy adding refs because I know somebody would do so anyway. And even if I don't, somebody else would reinstate my edits anyway. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 18:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

help triage some feedback
Hey guys.

I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:37, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for replying to this question
I've been trying to think of a way to broach this subject with 20th Tryer for a while now... not a promising situation, but your reply is probably the best thing to do. Thanks for being bold and doing it. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi McDoob (and Writ Keeper). I periodically take a look at the Teahouse and spotted this coming a mile away. I'm almost certain that the situation is related to this one. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, even just the name "20thtryer" didn't exactly inspire confidence. I was hoping he'd be quiet and just improve the encyclopedia, but evidently it was not to be. Thanks for the information; who knows, maybe he'll act on my advice and we won't need to use it, but I don't really think that's likely. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

A big NPT update
Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:

coding
 * Fixes for the "moved pages do not show up in Special:NewPages" and "pages created from redirects do not show up in Special:NewPages" bugs have been completed and signed off on. Unfortunately we won't be able to integrate them into the existing version, but they will be worked into the Page Triage interface.
 * Coding has been completed on three elements; the API for displaying metadata about the article in the "list view", the ability to keep the "patrol" button visible if you edit an article before patrolling it, and the automatic removal of deleted pages from the queue. All three are awaiting testing but otherwise complete.

All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.

Stuff to look at

We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.

I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on prototype.wiki or something.

I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
JOJ Hutton  03:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Two
Hi! Welcome to the second edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse! You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. -- Sarah (talk) 21:44, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Teahouse celebrates one month of being open! This first month has drawn a lot of community interest to the Teahouse. Hosts & community members have been working with the project team to improve the project in many ways including creating scripts to make inviting easier, exploring mediation processes for troubling guests, and best practices regarding mentoring for new editors who visit the Teahouse.
 * First month metrics report an average of 30 new editors visiting the Teahouse each week. Approximately 30 new editors participate in the Teahouse each week, by way of asking questions and making guest profiles. An average of six new questions and four new profiles are made each day. We'd love to hear your ideas about how we can spread the word about the Teahouse to more new editors.
 * Teahouse has many regulars. Like any great teahouse, our Teahouse has a 61% return rate of guests, who come back to ask additional questions and to also help answer others' questions. Return guests cite the speedy response rate of hosts and the friendly, easy to understand responses by the hosts and other participants as the main reasons for coming back for another cup o' tea!
 * Early metrics on retention. It's still too early to draw conclusions about the Teahouse's impact on new editor retention, but, early data shows that 38% of new editors who participate at the Teahouse are still actively editing Wikipedia 2-4 weeks later, this is compared with 7% from a control group of uninvited new editors who showed similar first day editing activity. Additional metrics can be found on the Teahouse metrics page.
 * Nine new hosts welcomed to the Teahouse. Nine new hosts have been welcomed to the Teahouse during month one: Chicocvenancio, Cullen328, Hallows AG, Jeffwang, Mono, Tony1, Worm That Turned, Writ Keeper, and Nathan2055. Welcome to the Teahouse gang, folks!
 * Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is a really nice way to make new editors feel welcome.

Look another one just popped up today
Another Jonathon Yip sock just popped up today. See Jeff Gorvette contributions. All the same type of edits as before. So pardon me if I seem a bit short with these socks and revert on site. What changes the socks are making is irrelevant. A blocked account should not be creating sock puppets to edit. Thats how these accounts have been editing. They start with meaningless maintenance type edits then they begin with the dirty stuff again. Like I said, this has been going on for over a week now. -- JOJ Hutton  03:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Which raises the question ... why not use the GeorgeKelsey account, since it's not blocked? Keep in mind Jonathan Yip's M.O. ... he NEVER leaves an edit summary, while GeorgeKelsey left them each time you two reverted each other? I'm glad to see you're helping fight this puppeteer (I've bagged a few of his socks myself, actually), but right now I just don't see that GeorgeKelsey fits. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and he gets blocked. If I'm right, I'm right and nothing else happens. -- McDoob  AU  93  04:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q1 2012
MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 19:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Angry Birds Seasons
Hey I see you have made many contributions to the article Angry Birds, good work. I think u are aware that Angry Birds Seasons article also has been created. Pls check it and clean up if u are able. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Another Jonathon Yip sock
just started editing the "Target" pages today. I also thought it interesting that the new sock puppet made this statement on the talk page, saying : I don't even know who Jonathan Yip is. That statement caught my eye when I read it because the "account" User:GeorgeKelsey, whom I was saying just last week was also a sock puppet of Jonathon Yip, said the same exact thing last week. It may be just a coincidence that both accounts used the same exact words in the same exact order. Maybe its a common expression, but it just continues to add to the doubts. -- JOJ Hutton  23:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a common phrase, but at the same time, it's not that common. As to Yip's M.O., we need to start tracking users named after Cars 2 characters, since he's apparently moving out of Star Wars. I'm still not that convinced about GeorgeKelsey, but it does merit further observation. If you need any assistance from me, please ask and I'll do whatever I can. -- McDoob  AU  93  03:13, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Amiga and Atari ST mention
Hi, about that there isn't really a source I can find right now but come on, just that I can't find a special source that says that the Amiga is a popular games machine doesn't mean that it never was, right ? there are loads of dedicated Amiga games magazines and alot of them are even exclusive to one country (excuse my poor english, but that means that it was profitable! "wink" "wink") actually, can I use that as a source ? a link to the "Amiga magazine rack" website ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.84.102.49 (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * - In general, if something is challenged (judging by you writing this, someone probably doesn't agree with you), then you probably need a source backing up what you say. Sergecross73   msg me   19:01, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As Serge correctly points out, any information in an article that is uncited can be challenged and removed at any time. The burden of proof falls upon you. I don't disagree that the Amiga and Atari ST machines were popular in Europe (had an Amiga myself, though it wasn't nearly as popular in the States as it was across the Atlantic), but if the relative lack of success for gaming consoles in this era is truly related to how popular the various home computers were, there should be plenty of news stories that have made that analysis themselves. Without it, you're adding your opinions and research, which is what is considered original thought. -- McDoob  AU  93  19:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

You've been mentioned by the press!
See Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 20:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Meh, that's one reason I avoid political/religious/cultural articles like the bubonic plague. :/  Salvidrim!   20:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm about to write the author to find out exactly why he felt that my particular comment merited including a link to my user page. He's going to be somewhat shocked by what I have to say to him. -- McDoob  AU  93  20:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, I can't believe the author even managed to find your comment in that trainwreck of an AFD. I can't believe how crowded it is with invalid !votes regarding political views and censorship. (But then again, I, like Salvidrim, don't spend much time in political AFDs either...) Sergecross73   msg me   21:10, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I'm not really taking sides, left- or right-wing. I've been just as vocal about removing the article on Romney's dog, which wound up being kept, and about the #ObamaAteADog meme and the "War on Women" meme, both of which got deleted. My first loyalty here is to the project ... where my vote goes is between me and the ballot box. -- McDoob  AU  93  21:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I totally understand. I'm contemplating participating myself, on the same grounds. The argument needs more people arguing in terms of wikipedia policy, not politics... Sergecross73   msg me   21:59, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I got a response back from the author; he said the reasons he chose my particular quote were that (a) "I believe each one clearly and thoughtfully puts forward the case" for their choice and (b) "you are the only one with a Wikipedia profile". He was not singling anyone out, and the actual article, with regards to what people said, was reasonably balanced. So I'm adding it in a new section on my user page. -- McDoob AU  93  23:58, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed you did that. I like the idea. There's been a few times where it looked like an author had used exactly what I had written for a wikipedia article, but it wasn't concrete enough for me to make the claim for sure... Sergecross73   msg me   01:11, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Read the bits from Angry Birds ... another editor told me about the first article, and I wrote the author. She liked what I had to say, and wrote the second article. I even went and bought a print copy of the New York Times that had the second article in it! -- McDoob  AU  93  03:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Holiday World & Splashin' Safari
Closed

The result was KEEP. Nomination Withdrawn. Mlpearc (powwow ) 20:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

New Pages update
Hey :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.

On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).

On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Idol Season 12
Put it on since they are announcing the cities next week — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buoydog (talk • contribs) 01:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

War on Women
I see you participated in last month's AfD for "War on Women"; that article was reinstated yesterday.--24dot (talk) 17:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. I'll keep an eye on it and see if it starts again after it's been re-marked as deleted. -- McDoob  AU  93  18:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Quick Note, War on Women has been renominated for Deletion--209.6.69.227 (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I am really Sorry for Trolling and I will not do it agian. I just want my Kingdom Heart problem Solve. So please answer me.
I am really sorry. I just want my Question answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.47.131 (talk) 19:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * If you won't do it again, why do you keep doing it? -- McDoob  AU  93  20:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage prototype released
Hey McDoobAU93! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 May 11
Hey: Making 'Offsite Canvassing' a separate heading at Articles for deletion/Mitt Romney Cranbrook incident breaks the formatting at Articles for deletion/Log/2012 May 11. Please take a look at both and change it accordingly.  EngineerFromVega ★  05:51, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Three
Hi! Welcome to the third edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!
 * Teahouse reaches two month mark. The Teahouse has been live on English Wikipedia for two months now and evidence of the project's impact is beginning to show. Thank you to the hosts and Wikipedians who have helped make the Teahouse the valuable place for new editor's to seek help and feel welcome.
 * April metrics report has been posted on meta! Some relevant metrics from April’s report include:
 * In April, Teahouse averaged 45 questions per week.
 * An average of 20 new editors visiting for the first time were served at the Teahouse, in addition to repeat guests.


 * Many guests are repeat visitors: the average guest asks 1.5 questions and 22% of guests ask more than one question.


 * Reports show that the Teahouse is having a positive impact on editor engagement! Comparing a sample of 75 new editors who participate in the Teahouse with a control group (of equivalent size and similar first-day editing activity) shows:
 * New editors who participate in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles than the uninvited control group.
 * New editor participants also make an average six times more global edits.
 * Average Teahouse participants add 26 times more bytes of content that survive on Wikipedia (meaning content that isn't reverted or deleted) than the uninvited control group.

You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 15:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * More Teahouse participants remain active on Wikipedia at least 10 days later. Among the 224 editors in our three experimental groups, 28 percent of new editors who participate in the Teahouse were still active on Wikipedia at least ten days later, compared with 12 percent who received an invitation but didn't actively participate in the Teahouse, and only 5 percent from a similar uninvited control group.
 * Teahouse visibility is a challenge, as we try to make the Teahouse visible to new editors, invitation has been the the main way of informing new editors about the Teahouse, and while that is a powerful tool, many new editors go uninvited. Input on Teahouse link placement is welcome! (Join in on the conversation here.)
 * Want to know how you can lend a hand at the Teahouse? Become a host! Learn more about what makes the Teahouse different than other help spaces on Wikipedia and see how you can help new editors by visiting here.
 * Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is a really nice way to make new editors feel welcome.

Please fill out our brief Teahouse survey


Hello fellow Wikipedian, the hardworking hosts and staff at WP:Teahouse would like your feedback!

We have created a brief survey intended to help us understand the experiences and impressions of veteran editors who have participated on the Teahouse. You are being selected to participate in our survey because you edited the Teahouse Questions or Guests pages some time during the last few months.

Click here to be taken to the survey site.

The survey should take less than 15 minutes to complete. We really appreciate your feedback, and we look forward to your next vist to the Teahouse!

Happy editing,

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This message was sent via Global message delivery on 01:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage/New Pages Feed
Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the New Pages Feed is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it on-site.

The page can be found at Special:NewPagesFeed. Please, please, please test it and tell us what you think! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.

Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

New info on Where's My Water?
The Facebook link can be found in the website and the Twitter link can be found in their Facebook page (Currently there's an error with the Follow button in the website). The release info is incomplete, no information about Amazon and Nook, and also the free version which has different levels from the paid version (This information is available in http://www.youtube.com/wheresmywaterguide which has links for verification and the latest versions on the right of the page). Mikesimarta (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC) (http://twitter.com/mikesimarta)

Will you be making a Where's My Perry? (coming soon, June 2012) page? Mikesimarta (talk) 06:26, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Host feedback needed at the Teahouse!
Hi! We're seeking your feedback as a current or formal host at the Teahouse about the project. Please stop by and lend your voice at your convenience, here. Thanks :) Sarah (talk) 20:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Cyril
http://www.thewebsiteofthedead.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Cyril.jpg http://www.thewebsiteofthedead.com/?tag=disneys-wreck-it-ralph-cyril-the-house-of-the-dead-cameo-in-a-movie It's the same clothes, 2 axes and it's name CYRIL, an enemy from the House of the Dead do we need more evidence? 85.241.125.57 (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I responded on the article's talk page, so please feel free to respond there for other editors to see, as well. -- McDoob  AU  93  19:52, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Sarah (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * And thank you, Sarah, for inviting me to take part in the pilot program. I hope it continues so that we can help turn new editors into long-term editors working for the betterment of the project! -- McDoob  AU  93  00:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Four
Hi! Welcome to the fourth issue of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter for the Teahouse!


 * Teahouse pilot wraps up after 13 weeks After being piloted on English Wikipedia starting in February, the Teahouse wrapped up its pilot period on May 27, 2012. We expect this is just the beginning for the Teahouse and hope the project will continue to grow in the months to come!

Thank you and congratulations to all of the community members who participated - and continue to participate!


 * What you've all been waiting for: Teahouse Pilot Report is released! We look forward to your feedback on the methodology and outcomes of this pilot project.
 * ....and if a pilot report wasn't enough, the Teahouse Pilot Metrics Report is out too! Dive into the numbers and survey results to learn about the impact the Teahouse has made on English Wikipedia.
 * Teahouse shows positive impact on new editor retention and engagement
 * 409 new editors participated during the entire pilot period, with about 40 new editors participating in the Teahouse per week.
 * Two weeks after participating, 33% of Teahouse guests are still active on Wikipedia, as opposed to 11% of a similar control group.
 * New editors who participated in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles, make 7x more global edits, and 2x as much of their content survives on Wikipedia compared to the control group.


 * Women participate in the Teahouse 28% of Teahouse participants were women, up from 9% of editors on Wikipedia in general, good news for this project which aimed to have impact on the gender gap too - but still lots to be done here!
 * New opportunities await for the Teahouse in phase two as the Teahouse team and Wikipedia community examine ways to improve, scale, and sustain the project. Opportunities for future work include:
 * Automating or semi-automating systems such as invites, metrics and archiving
 * Experimenting with more ways for new editors to discover the Teahouse
 * Building out the social and peer-to-peer aspects further, including exploring ways to make answering questions easier, creating more ways for new editors to help each other and for all participants to acknowledge each other's efforts
 * Growing volunteer capacity, continuing to transfer Teahouse administration tasks to volunteers whenever possible, and looking for new ways to make maintenance and participation easier for everyone.

You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Want to know how you can lend a hand at the Teahouse? Become a host! Learn more about what makes the Teahouse different than other help spaces on Wikipedia and see how you can help new editors by visiting here.
 * Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is really encouraging to new Wikipedians.

Wreck-It Ralph characters
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/06/09/the-familiar-faces-of-wreck-it-ralph --Niemti (talk) 17:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure why you posted this, but I haven't doubted this article since it's a reliable source. -- McDoob  AU  93  17:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Because of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cammy&diff=497738013&oldid=497718848 --Niemti (talk) 19:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)Italic text


 * Which was uncited when it was added. The onus is on the editor to add their sources, not expect someone else to do it for them. Now that it is cited, that's fine by me. Although, truth be told, I've watched the trailer a few times now and can't find this "yellow robot" in the trailer, much less Cammy. Care to provide a time reference so we know where to look? That is especially important where videos are concerned. -- McDoob  AU  93  19:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Your undo of my edit to Brave
I'm curious as to how you decide the criteria for "Proof of notability"? Drehf (talk) 03:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll be glad to answer your question. Funny or Die is a website that accepts user-generated content, much as YouTube does. The existence of a fan-generated video inspired by a hit movie, in and of itself, isn't terribly notable, since there are so many for so many different movies. However, if said video were to go viral and get millions upon millions of hits and then is discussed in reliable, third-party sources, then notability might well be established. More often than not, the most common reason for someone to add one of these videos to an article is to drive traffic to it, so people can see it, something that is generally discouraged on Wikipedia. I hope this answers your question, but if you have further questions or comments, please feel free to leave them here. -- McDoob  AU  93  05:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

The comment about user generated content seems surprising to me. Are you suggesting that only content made by the studios (no matter how poor the product) is worthy of being included on Wikipedia? How about Indie films? or various shorts? It would seem that you are suggesting that the mere inclusion in Funny or Die makes it not worth for inclusion on Wikipedia? That seems somewhat arbitrary. 98.210.211.35 (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * No, Funny or Die, in and of itself, is notable. Content on the site isn't notable, necessarily. For more details, please review this section. Again, the key point for notability is not that the clip exists, but that the media has covered it for some reason. Put another way, the clip's existence isn't notable; if the clip's existence was covered because it got millions of hits, or because Kelly Macdonald or Emma Thompson publicly said they liked it, then it would be. -- McDoob  AU  93  05:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback on Wing Coaster talk page
Could you take a look at the Wing Coaster talk page and comment on the 2013 Cedar Point coaster please? We need consensus on whether it should be included yet.--Astros4477 (talk) 16:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Disney infobox merge proposal
I recently started the discussion on the merger of the Disney infobox into the other amusement park infoboxes. Please comment on the discussion here. I have notified you because you are listed as a member of a Disney task force at the amusement parks WikiProject. Themeparkgc  Talk  00:08, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q2 2012
MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 21:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Edited Story
Hello McDoobAU93, I got your message about AerialVideoSystems not being an acceptable account name and the article I was working on editing being a conflict of interest. I completely understand. There is so much to learn! I have set up a new account.

I do work for AVS and we did create a helmet camera before the sited "first ever" in the helmet camera article. I have been working on editing the history section of the story in order to give us the due credit, however, not have it come across as a marketing campaign. I would like to take you up on your offer to look over my work. Can you see my sandbox or should I post the revised section here?

Also, I would love to link to a scan I made of the Motocross Action page with the photo of our system in use in 1986. I have it hosted on our website at https://www.aerialvideo.com/images/stories/wikipedia/motocross-action-helmet-1080.jpg. Is this do-able?

Thanks,

VideoJoe (talk) 23:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for responding to those concerns. I am able to view your sandbox without much trouble, and will be glad to look at anything you'd like. In answer to your question regarding the image scan, you could potentially submit just the image of the camera being used under a claim of fair use, however I'm not as knowledgeable about image policy as some of the other Teahouse Hosts. I'll see if I can find one of our image experts and direct them to you and see if they can help, as well. And, most importantly, welcome aboard! -- McDoob  AU  93  23:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello McDoobAU93,

Again, thank you for being willing to look over the changes I propose to the Helmet camera article. This is my first posting and I'd like to make sure it's done right. If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I'll go ahead and make the edits. Thank you.

VideoJoe (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter
Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).

The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.

I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Five
Hi! Welcome to the fifth edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!


 * Guest activity increased in July. Questions are up from an average of 36 per week in June to 43 per week in July, and guest profile creation has also increased. This is likely a result of the automatic invite experiments we started near the end of month, which seeks to lessen the burden on hosts and other volunteers who manually invite editors. During the last week of July, questions doubled in the Teahouse! (But don't let that deter you from inviting editors to the Teahouse, please, there are still lots of new editors who haven't found Teahouse yet.)
 * More Teahouse hosts than ever. We had 12 new hosts sign up to participate at the Teahouse! We now have 35 hosts volunteering at the Teahouse. Feel free to stop by and see them all here.
 * Phase two update: Host sprint. In August, the Teahouse team plans to improve the host experience by developing a simpler new-host creation process, a better way of surfacing active hosts, and a host lounge renovation. Take a look at the plan and weigh in here.
 * New Teahouse guest barnstar is awarded to first recipient: Charlie Inks. Using the Teahouse barnstar designed by Heatherawalls, hosts hajatvrc and Ryan Vesey created the new Teahouse Guest Barnstar. The first recipient is Charlie Inks, for her boldness in asking questions at the Teahouse. Check out the award in action here.
 * Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania! The Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania this past month, where editor retention and interface design was heavily discussed. Sarah and Jonathan presented the Teahouse during the Wikimedia Fellowships panel. Slides can be viewed here. A lunch was also held at Wikimania for Teahouse hosts.

As always, thanks for supporting the Teahouse project! Stop by and visit us today!

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Talkback
SarahStierch (talk) 23:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Where's My Water? links
http://twitter.com/SwampytheGator (@SwampytheGator) has now been verified by Twitter and the account provides a link to http://www.facebook.com/wheresmywater. I hope this is enough proof that these accounts are genuine. Mikesimarta (talk) 10:07, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

New Pages newsletter
Hey all :)

A couple of new things.

First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.

On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Sea World and Wickedangry
Wickedangry created the redlink again. This time I simply removed the photo. IMHO, the satellite image you get from the coordinates is much better (and is likely to stay more current). In general, I don't consider aerial photos useful anymore considering current satellite resolution. If you disagree with this, feel free to restore the image. I see that you warned Wickedangry about his previous edits. Wickedangry has been popping up a lot in dolphin, orca, and dolphinarium articles, and I have yet to see a single constructive edit. You warned him/her a few days ago. Should we be trying to get a block? If you look at the history for Ulisses you can see that all but one edit (flops -> droops in relation to the dorsal fin) has been reverted, and from the type of edits it seems likely that 72.134.54.239 and 74.221.188.175 are the same editor. Don Lammers (talk) 13:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't had a chance to look at the IP addresses, but if he's continuing to add without discussing, that's edit warring, in my book. They have been warned at Level 4, so if it's time to send this editor to the Edit-warring noticeboard, then so be it. -- McDoob  AU  93  02:02, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

B am bi fan 101
I've broken up the subject name because I don't want it to be searched out. I've been watching this for a bit now because the user involved popped up in the areas of WP:VG. I've thought about opening a case at SPI but I'm not sure there's a case or not. The user has not specifically done any vandalism that I can see and on the surface gives the impression of being unfamiliar with Wikipedia. The case behind all this is so vast and convoluted though I wanted to ask someone else who has been involved to a degree in this case their thoughts.

The user appeared within about a month of the sockmaster's last unblock request and sock block. He edited some VG related and soccer related articles, claiming to be from the EU. He's used UK spellings in some talk page edits. The user is well aware of the master and claims to be a cousin, making edits to the master's page, his long term abuse page, and adding PMDrive to Missing Wikipedians. The user was briefly autoblocked for having the same IP as another vandal. The vandal claimed to hold grudges against other editors (So was not a drive by) and "Retired" their user page...

I don't want to leave a direct link as I feel this user is clearly searching out pages related to the sockmaster, but if you check his talk page you'll see who I mean. Am I being overly suspicious or...? -- ferret (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll certainly take a look, if you can point me to articles where this editor has appeared. Are they using an account or editing anonymously from an IP? It would be very unusual to see "the editor who shall not be named" working outside of his usual target articles, but at the same time, he's too well known in those, so he may be wanting to harass editors in other fields, too. -- McDoob  AU  93  22:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Account. So far there's been no actual vandalism I can see, but his editing of articles related to the sockmaster and claims of being a cousin... I don't understand why they would be getting into those articles or digging up that history. Take a glance at this diff. Like I said.. no direct vandalism, but in this case such elaborate things have been done in the past, my suspicions were raised. -- ferret (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Been a bit but decided to check on this. Looks like he got banned as a sock puppet after all. He fell into that old habit of seeking a ban on himself apparently... -- ferret (talk) 23:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks to you both for your vigilance. I would have been stunned had BF started editing something other than Disney articles. It would be too chilling if he was headed for football team and player articles. McDoob, do you think we should delete the stuff he added to this since it would seem to be an attempt to muddy the waters? MarnetteD | Talk 00:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know that this is Bambifan. A few months back I reported a different sock of Doughnuthead. This guy (Redbull) was ultimately blocked as a sock of that guy. Redbull originally drew my eyes towards him due to claiming to be Bambifan's cousin. Only in reading the aftermath do I see he was ultimately judged to be a different sockmaster. I don't know if he knew I reported the earlier Doughnuthead sock or not, I think he just happened to pop up in WP:VG both times. -- ferret (talk) 00:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If this editor is evading a block, they certainly should be blocked. However, I haven't seen anything suggesting that this is Bambifan. A sock-puppeteer? Yes. But this one just doesn't fit the M.O. of Bambifan101. Did anyone request a check-user to see if this did match? -- McDoob  AU  93  02:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sheesh yesterday musta been one of the "Thank goodness my head is attached" days. The guy we are discussing was blocked as a sock of Doughnuthead. This is one of the two edits he made to the Bambifan case page that I think we might want to revert since I think they were made to muddy the waters. Take a look when you get a chance and let me know what you think. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 14:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Now *THAT* is an interesting edit. Not only should it be removed, but that makes it all the more critical that Checkuser is run on both Doughnuthead and RedBullWarrior. -- McDoob  AU  93  14:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking a look. I went ahead and removed it. I'll leave it to either of you to take care of the Checkuser stuff as I'm not sure where you want to file it. MarnetteD | Talk 16:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I also took a look at the sockpuppetry history of Doughnuthead, and they've been around for almost 3 years, popping up every several months or so. I continue to think that they're separate people, although it's certainly possible they're one and the same; it's also possible that Doughnuthead was "inspired" by Bambifan and is trying to be a copycat. -- McDoob  AU  93  16:36, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

kasatka's pregnancy
please stop undoing my edits as you did to list of captive orcas. they were sourced now please leave them alone Wickedangry (talk) 16:09, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have responded on your talk page. -- McDoob  AU  93  16:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I declined (for now) your request to block Wickedangry. The vandalism noticeboard is supposed to be used only for plain-vanilla, blatant vandalism, not the kind of disruptive editing you're experiencing. I did, however, leave a warning at User talk:Wickedangry telling this person to make no further edits to our articles without first gaining talk page consensus. If Wickedangry ignores this, please let me or another administrator know so they can block him. If you contact another administrator (I'm often not around), please reference this conversation and make sure they know to check the page history for Wickedangry's talk page for all those deleted warnings. After this, I'd say he or she's had enough warnings.


 * Thanks for watching over our content! --A. B. (talk • contribs) 18:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Update: while I was leaving you this message another editor was blocking Wickedangry; see this exchange: User talk:Kinu.


 * Hopefully, Wickedangry will come around. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 19:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your response. I did notice you wanted such incidents moved over to Edit-Warring instead of Vandalism. Old habits are hard to break, I guess, but you are quite right. I'll do my best to re-route such things better in the future. -- McDoob  AU  93  22:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * As school vandalism heats up with the start of the new school year in the Northern Hemisphere over the next few weeks, the vandalism noticeboard will get much busier. The goal is triage -- send the blatant, easy-to-figure-out onslaught of mostly kiddie vandalism there for quick blocking and the stuff that takes more thought (edit-warring and other disruptive behaviour) elsewhere for more careful assessment of the merits of different editors' positions.


 * I took a sort of made-up middle approach: without judging the content quality of Wickedangry's edits, I just drew a line and said use the talk pages first; if he/she couldn't do that, it signaled the need for a block. I'm not sure that's an approved procedure for an administrator but I reckon it spares folks like you more bureaucracy while sparing my trying to get to the bottom of one source's reliability vs. another's.


 * Somebody will sooner or later tell me that's not in accordance with some policy but until then it seems to work.
 * --A. B. (talk • contribs) 23:09, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * On the contrary, I think you're on to something. The pages themselves do state specifically that AIV is for out and out vandalism. What Wickedangry is doing is non-constructive ... vandalism definitely is non-constructive, but non-constructive isn't necessarily vandalism. At the same time, there's no ready way within Twinkle, which is what I use (if not lean on, maybe too much ...) to send a report to AN3 instead of AIV. I think I'll go mention that at the Twinkle talk page and see what people think about it. -- McDoob  AU  93  23:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
SarahStierch (talk) 06:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget to make your new host profile!
Hi McDoob! Thanks for being a host at the Teahouse! We're working on the Host lounge renovations and we've created a new way for hosts to become hosts. Please take a few minutes and test it out here, by creating your new host profile. It's also a good excuse to update your image, quote, and information about yourself :) You can join in on the host discussion about the new feature here. See you at the Teahouse! SarahStierch (talk) 19:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Six
Hi! Welcome to the sixth edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!
 * Teahouse serves over 700 new editors in six months on Wikipedia! Since February 27, 741 new editors have participated at the Teahouse. The Q&A board and the guest intro pages are more active than ever.
 * Automatic invites are doing the trick: 50% more new editors visiting each week. Ever since HostBot's automated invite trial phase began we've seen a boost in new editor participation. Automating a baseline set of invitations also allows Teahouse hosts to focus on serving hot cups of help to guests, instead of spending countless hours inviting.
 * Guests to the Teahouse continue to edit more & interact more with other community members than non-Teahouse guests according to six month metrics. Teahouse guests make more than twice the article edits and edit more talk pages than other new editors.
 * New host process implemented which encourages anyone to get started as a Teahouse host in a few easy steps. Stop by the hosts page and become a Teahouse host today!
 * Host lounge renovations nearing completion. Working closely with Teahouse hosts, we've made some major renovations to the Teahouse Host Lounge - the main hangout and resource space for hosts. Learn more about the improvements here.

As always, thanks for supporting the Teahouse project! Stop by and visit us today!

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Adopt-a-user
Hi McDoobAU93. I'm leaving you this message because you have previously been involved as an adopter with Wikipedia's Adopt-a-user program. A clean-up of this program is currently underway, and as part of the process I am trying to find out who is and isn't still interested in remaining an adopter.

If you would prefer not to be part of the adoption program anymore, you need do nothing; when the overhaul of the project is completed your name will be removed from the list of active adopters. However, if you have current adoptees, an active adoption school or an interest in adopting in the near future, then please let us know by signing here.

If you want to remain in the project and can currently take on more adoptees, there is a serious backlog at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user; it would be enormously helpful if you could take on one or two of the users there. Please do keep an eye on the project for upcoming changes, we could use your opinions and your help! Yunshui 雲‍水 09:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thanks for agreeing to stay on at Adopt-a-user. I've recently updated the list of adopters and I have included you, per your original comments on that page and your comments at User:Yunshui/Overhaul/Adopters staying on. You can see your new profile at the list of adopters. Why not update your profile with an image and maybe have another look at your description? You can also include a list of any adoptees you currently have. If you are also willing to mentor problematic users, possibly as part of a conditional unblock, please include "mentorship=yes" in your profile. Thanks again for all your help. Worm TT(talk ) 13:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter
Hey. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.

Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Re : September 2012
wow. those were just small edits. all i did was change it to the most recent measurements. and you took it very seriously. also if weather an animal gets along with another animal is not encyclapedic, why did you leave it up there all this time on the main article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wickedangry (talk • contribs) 00:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure the real issue here is that you just got off a block, and went right back to the same old actions that got you blocked in the first place. Sergecross73   msg me   01:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Adoption
Today is your lucky day! I want to be adopted by you on Wikipedia! You were ABSOLUTELY one of a kind on the Adoptees Page. I am in LOVE with videogames of all kinds like- Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Soul caliber, Call of Duty: Black Ops (especially Black Ops!), Skyrim, and many others. I am a videogame addict! I also LOVE amusement parks and rollercosters. I really want to be adopted by you so you can help me with this type of stuff. ALSO- I love videogames SOOOOOOOO MUCH that next week, I'm going to Comic-Con! It is going to be super awesome, and I think that we've established that I'm a videogame nerd! Please adopt me on Wiki. Thank you so very much for not being interested in politics! Most of the adopters were very boring! Thank you! Answer on MY talk page PLEASE, not yours. MINE! Thank you! DEIDRA C. (talk) 18:54, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Contribution.
Hey, McDoobAU93. Please help contribute to my WikiProject. This WikiProject is about different cultures. If you can take some time and help contribute to it, that would be very nice of you. I am starting this project this week and would like to finish by next week. Please help me with this project. Thank you very much. Please answer on my talk page because I might not be able to keep track of who is contributing and who is not. I would like you to also share your culture. If you can give me a little summary about your culture such as, foods, lifestlye, holidays, traditions, e.t.c, that would be extremely helpful. Thank you. So if you would wish to contribute, please reply on MY talk page. Happy edits! Have a great day! DEIDRA C. (talk) 18:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q3 2012
MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 15:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter - closing up!
Hey all :).

We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.

However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.

Again, it's been an honour. Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I'm very honored. Thank you for your consideration, and your assistance in dealing with said editor. While going back through earlier threads on the subject, I did see other posts from them, and I am pretty sure they mean well, but there's just a few issues to be worked out with how the project works and moves forward. It ain't perfect, but it's one of the top sites on the web for a reason, too. -- McDoob  AU  93  04:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Wreck-It Ralph-related
The Disney Wiki mentioned the plot of the "Fix-It Felix Jr." game featured in Wreck-It Ralph mentioned the plot and setting of "Fix-It Felix Jr." if that is what you are talking about. Also, the cast list was modified with the character info that the Disney Wiki had mentioned. Rtkat3 (talk) 7:17, October 19 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, wikis are not considered reliable sources for backing up a Wikipedia edit. Even another Wikipedia article cannot be used to back up a Wikipedia edit, per WP:SPS. This problem will be solved in about two weeks when the full plot summary goes up and the actual film becomes the source. -- McDoob  AU  93  04:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * And I'd just to thank you, as a colleague, for all the care and encyclopedic standards you're upholding at Talk:Wreck-It Ralph. With movie articles in particular, fannish enthusiasm and lack of knowledge of Wikipedia policies and guidelines can create enormous headaches, and your calm, instructive posts seem to be keeping that to a minimum. With thanks and regards, Tenebrae (talk) 19:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm truly flattered. As soon as details emerged about this film, it struck me as a fan-boy "perfect storm", bringing in both Disney fans and gaming fans (I consider myself part of both camps). The most neutral way to deal with both types of fans is to hold to the standards that apply to ALL film articles, and to do so politely, because enthusiastic fans can make great Wikipedia editors. I oughta know, because that is how I first started editing Wikipedia six years ago ... as a fan! Thank you again for the kind words! -- McDoob  AU  93  19:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Future of WikiProject Amusement Parks
Hi McDoobAU93. I am contacting you because you are listed as one of members of WikiProject Amusement Parks or one of its task forces. I have just started a discussion on the project's talk page regarding the future of the project. I have made four proposals and I would appreciate your comments on them. Thank you Themeparkgc   Talk  23:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Did you watch the new movie Wreck it Ralph?
Dear McDoobAU93, have you watched Wreck it Ralph. I haven't watched it, but I heard it will be awesome. So, did you watch it? 69.112.114.132 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.114.132 (talk) 20:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I saw it two weeks ago at an advance screening, and really enjoyed it. I worked on the plot summary in my user-space to keep from spoiling the movie for anyone else who was editing the article, then posted it prior to midnight showings in my area. -- McDoob  AU  93  20:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edit
Re: your edit on Manta ray article - (Reverted good faith edits by 74.60.29.141 (talk): Well-meaning but inappropriate external link. (TW))

Please explain how that could be "inappropriate". It is a UK Registered Charity, Number: 1145387. It contains perhaps the most reliable and detailed information exclusively in regard to the article's subject. This '.org' is not a commercial site, and contains no ads. I can't find any other site which contains better information about the article's subject. This comes as close as possible for an "official" site for Manta rays. I have read WP:EL, and don't see why this would be inappropriate. Not to mention there is a Wikipedia article for Manta Trust. Did you check out this organization before deleting? ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 01:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Manta Trust » Home » About us » The Manta Mission » Mantas » Mantas at a Glance


 * The main reason for deleting the link was to prevent the "External links" section from becoming a link farm, loaded with other links for various "save the X" websites, as well-meaning as they may be. I did check out the link and the associated article, and having an article on Wikipedia is no guarantee that a given agency is notable; if anything, it can also mean that nobody's gotten around to it yet to determine if the agency is indeed notable. That said, if you wish to reinstate the link, you'll get no further argument from me; however, if another editor removes it for a similar reason, please bring the discussion to the talk page. -- McDoob  AU  93  01:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

This is not a newsletter
This is just a tribute.

Anyway. You're getting this note because you've participated in discussion and/or asked for updates to either the Article Feedback Tool or Page Curation. This isn't about either of those things, I'm afraid ;p. We've recently started working on yet another project: Echo, a notifications system to augment the watchlist. There's not much information at the moment, because we're still working out the scope and the concepts, but if you're interested in further updates you can sign up here.

In addition, we'll be holding an office hours session at 21:00 UTC on Wednesday, 14 November in #wikimedia-office - hope to see you all there :). I appreciate it's an annoying time for non-Europeans: if you're interested in chatting about the project but can't make it, give me a shout and I can set up another session if there's enough interest in one particular timezone or a skype call if there isn't. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#Edit war on Princess Mononoke
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Nice work
Excellent edits at Wreck-It Ralph! I'm a professional writer and I have to say, your version of that paragraph is better! --Tenebrae (talk) 23:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! I've always taken pride in my writing, and Wikipedia has really helped me improve it even more. -- McDoob  AU  93  06:46, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, McD. Thanks for keeping watch at Wreck-It Ralph &mdash; so many movie fans love to stick in every meaningless little regional award. The Southwestern FIlm Critics? The Mid-Ohio Film Critics? Wow. I'm glad to see another good editor being vigilant. I do think the Broadcast Film Critics Association is actually a pretty large and notable international (US & Canada) group so I'd be inclined to keep them.


 * If somebody adds the Phoenix or Oklahoma City groups, however . . . ! With regards, Tenebrae (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I would agree. About the only city critics groups I'd add would be New York, Los Angeles and maybe Chicago. Everything else should be nationwide or worldwide in scope. Thanks for the hat-tip! -- McDoob  AU  93  23:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Wreck-It Ralph
I've posted a new summary that is better and even shorter than the previous one! This is unfair!Kurzon (talk) 21:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No it isn't. You've been asked multiple times to discuss your reasoning on the talk page, yet you have failed to do so. You add excessive amounts of detail yet leave out significant plot points in what you claim is a better summary. You've been warned for the last time. Discuss on the talk page and work with other editors, or you risk being reported for edit warring again. Incidentally, blocks caused by behavior that led to earlier blocks tend to be longer. So please, stop your edit warring and talk. -- McDoob  AU  93  21:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

3DS Virtual Console
Hello, McDoobAU93. That anonymous user keeps changing the European 3DS VC page whole time, so a semi-protection would be appreciated (I'm a very basic level-editor, so I actually don't know how to do this). Thank you in advance. Cheers! Ratengo (talk) 05:45, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not a moderator/admin, despite what the IP claims. I have, however, reported him for a 3RR violation. What's bugging me is that his disruption at the PAL page is in contravention to his complaints about how the North America page appears. He's changing the PAL page to reflect what he doesn't like about the North America page, in both cases against consensus. Should the pages be standardized? At some point, yes. But that needs to be worked out amongst the regular editors of the pages, with appropriate input from any interested parties. I will also go ahead and request page protection for the PAL and Japan region pages. -- McDoob  AU  93  05:52, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I've also noticed the contradicting manner from that user. I usually edit the Japanese/PAL region/South Korean VC pages, but never cared about the American one as it's well-guarded there. I don't mind a standardization, but in such case the American pages should follow the others if aiming at uniformity? Ratengo (talk) 06:10, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The way I see it, there are things the PAL/Japan pages do better and things the North America pages do better. May just need to find a compromise on what information everyone wants and what people can live without ... -- McDoob  AU  93  06:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah. We should consider if age ratings (CERO, ESRB, PEGI/ACB) and language (for South Korea) information is really neceassary? These columns have already been there since the very beginning. The PAL region pages use the yyyy-mm-dd format for simplier readings, since EU/AU release dates sometimes differ from each other. Can this be applied to other VC pages? Ratengo (talk) 06:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've started a centralized discussion on some of these topics at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Virtual_Console_games_for_Nintendo_3DS_(North_America)#Finding_consensus_for_a_couple_of_things. - I chose the NA one merely because the problems seemed to be stemming from there. Please help me discuss things there. Thanks! Sergecross73   msg me   15:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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From memory, you've showed an interest in the amusement park incidents/accidents articles. There is a discussion currently underway which you may be interested in. Themeparkgc  Talk  22:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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