User talk:Mcbadphish

As I stated in my creator page, i will try my hardest to keep the information precise. If there are any errors, or you just wish to contact, please feel free to post.

Editing suggestions for Sweet Water
I didn't really edit much at all at Red Stripe, but i have done extensive editing, including creating a brewpub article, Buffalo Bill's Brewery. First, i have given you an example on your userpage of how to link to the educational page you are connected to. Note, i didnt use the URL, but the page name, to put into brackets. My edit at Red Stripe was to change the word "bold" to "wide", as bold in this context is promotional language, where wide is descriptive only. When i read your request, here's pretty much what i did:

I looked up sweet water brewing company on Wikipedia to see if it already exists, or is mentioned. i didnt use quote marks, so i could catch any variants. i found Sweetwater, which i could see in the page summary mentioned a brewing company. since you didnt say if your topic was in Atlanta, i checked out Wikimedia Commons, and Category:Maps of the United States, and found this image, File:Census Regions and Divisions.PNG, as i could make out state abbreviations, and educated myself on the states in the region. I was able to then look up Clemson University, then Clemson, South Carolina, and Atlanta, Georgia. I noted that your college is fairly close to Atlanta, thus close to the brewery. So, I can conclude you have a personal connection to the brewery. That helps, if you can get any printed material at the brewery. I then looked up Sweetwater on the 'net and found their home page,, which can be expanded to form SweetWater Brewing Company website. I then looked at the other search engine links, and read their "about us" page, and found what looked like information that they are fairly well known locally, fairly large, and have been around a while. so, this means the brewery is a more than likely candidate for an article.

To proceed with an article:
 * 1) create the following page User:Mcbadphish/SweetWater Brewing Company (note the spelling, with intercaps, as on their website.)
 * 2) start the page with - SweetWater Brewing Company is a brewery in Atlanta, Georgia. - There's the journalistic stub. "just the facts, ma'am".
 * 3) add a section - ==References==, with below it.
 * 4) add a section - ==External links==, with SweetWater Brewing Company website below it.
 * 5) you can use the "about us" page as a reference by adding after your first sentence.
 * 6) add more references, looking for reviews by major beer websites, and news articles.
 * 7) DONT add any facts learned from your visits to the brewery, pamphlets they give out, or plaques there, if they are not available on the net or at a library. i doubt there is anything at a library, but for older establishments, there may be. The article should be built up from the references you find, not built up from facts you know. remember, its WP:Verify as the key principle here. someone else has to be able to find the same facts you put there on their own.
 * 8) When you have enough references that add enough facts to show that its notable (facts such as brewing volume, whether they sell nationally, are they the largest brewery in the city, awards won, etc), you can stop adding material. Add enough so that the stub article, when created, is not jumped on as inherently nonnotable.
 * 9) Choose categories. I use WP:HotCat, which pops up likely categories. if you cant use that, just open another window, and type in - category:breweries -. find the narrowest category that fits it, a hypothetical example being Category:Microbreweries in Atlanta, Georgia. for each fact about the brewery, consider there may be a category: year founded, the type of business, the state or city or county its located in, etc.
 * 10) use the "move" function on WP to move your sub page to SweetWater Brewing Company. this preserves your early editing history in the article history. I usually dont create new articles this way, but you should do as i say, not as i do.
 * 11) Now comes the interesting part. Building the Web. go back to Sweetwater, correct the spelling of the name there to match your article. now, try to think of other possible pages you can add the name of the business. the city article, lists of breweries in the US or in Georgia, are good places to start. If this is not a large brewery in Atlanta, dont add it to the city article directly, but add it to a sub article, maybe something like "list of companies in Atlanta, Georgia".

Well, i may have forgotten a few steps, but this should help you get started. good luck.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha! you were bold and created it anyway! fine, now add at least one category, and you can also add a template to the talk page for any WP:WikiProjects that may be appropriate, such as WikiProject Georgia or WikiProject Food and Drink. dont forget to go back and fix the link on the Sweetwater page. the article is a node in the net of articles, the more its linked, the better it works. a subject doesnt have to be highly notable to be well linked, though of course Abraham Lincoln will have more links than John Rosenbaum.

link the city of boulder. remove text like "and are still expanding", as almost all business are assumed to be expanding. such language serves to hype the company, but is not encyclopedic. dont link common words like beer. everyone knows what beer is. linking words like India Pale Ale, etc. is good, as a reader MIGHT not be familiar with the terms. I would not have subsections for each brew unless they are independently written about extensively. better to make a list, or paragraph, with the title ==Beer styles==. you arent supposed to link words in article headings, so dont do that. you can link Exodus (song) to the song, which would be cool, as well as Georgia Brown to Sweet Georgia Brown. "420" is a reference to the California penal code for Marijuana, which is of course what they mean by "west coast" brewing style, this can be linked as well. lowrider is also linkable. the word "mainstream" could be linked to an article on "mainstream culture" if you find one broad enough. not a bad first effort.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Banner
Hey, you forgot the most important part: add .Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Dablink
As there is Sweetwater Brewery, each should have a link at the top directing confused readers to the other article if thats what they are really looking for. is a good example.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:31, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Template
Template:Infobox Brewery may be added as well.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Feedback
Hey Ethan. Those cleanup tags at the top of the article will need to be dealt with - try finding some more sources that are independent of the subject. It's sometimes tricky with articles about companies to avoid sounding too promotional, and third-party sources will help with that. You might consider making "Beer Styles" into a bulleted list rather than subsections. Also, formatting-wise, make sure your footnotes are after the punctuation, and if you're using the exact same source more than once try using named references. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)