User talk:Mcloney

Origins of winemaking
Hello, with this edit you made a change to the statement of the origins of winemaking that is quite dramatic - 3000 years, almost one big continent away and -perhaps most importantly- outside the area where the European grapevine Vitis vinifera naturally occurs! Since the modern-day Chinese have a tendency to call a number of non-grape base beverages "wine", and since I have not seen this claim make it into professional (but non-research) wine journals, this makes me quite curious as to the more specific finds at that site. However, your references are not complete: Angier (2007), 142; E. McGovern (2007), 314; McNamee (2008), 156. Could you please specify journal, title and so on, and preferably elaborate on what was actually found that led to this conclusion. Regards, Tomas e (talk)