User talk:Megahebrew

February 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Some of your recent edits have been considered unhelpful or unconstructive and have been reverted or removed. The article that you edited has verifiability guidelines for the addition of events to the list. Each entry must link to an article that supports the entry in full and external links are not appropriate. Refer to WP:DAYS for details on what are acceptable entries in Wikicalendar articles. Thank you. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems that you have entirely disregarded the message above. You have added content to February 25 and February 26 that is not appropriate.  ANy event that you add must be supported by a linked article.  Also, the death that you added is on the wrong date.  The edits have been reverted.  Please do not add them back without first discussing any questions that you have.  f you continue to add the content, it will be treated as vandalism.  Please ask questions here.  I'm here to help.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Dude what was the problem with the posts, can you explain to me in detail cause I seem to not understand. oh, and the Rogatchover Gaon passed away on 11th Adar which is the equivalent of 25th february in 1936. Dude I have no idea how to get in touch with you, you're not answering my question. Am I not posting it where I'm supposed to? For G-d's sakes man!


 * I'd be glad to explain. When an event is added to a date article, it must include a link to an existing Wikipedia article that discusses the event and specifically mentions the date.  This is to ensure that we can verify the events.  As far as the death date, the bio article on the person says that he died on March 5.  If the bio article is wrong, and you can provide a reliable source that supports changing the death date, please make a change to the bio article.  Then it can be included in the date article.  Please be patient.  This isn't IM.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok,ok. thanks. I guess I'll get to work. and yeah the date in the article is wrong. I'll put a source in there from www.chabad.org.


 * Have a look at the welcome page for important info for new users. Also, please be sure to sign your talk page comments by putting ~ at the end.  It will leave your name and a time stamp.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Now I understand the issue. The Hebrew date of 11th Adar fell on March 5th in 1936 but the Hebrew date of 11th Adar falls on 26th February in 2010. (it changes every year because our calendar is half lunar half solar). What can i do in this case?? Can i just substitute the European date for the Hebrew in the bio article so that every year it the person can see when it falls correctly? Or what do you recommend? Megahebrew (talk) 00:53, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * For consistency and less confusion, we use Gregorian dates. The fact is that this person did die on March 5, 1936.  Therefore, that date is correct.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Also I just checked the Rashi page and it is written on the page about the first print of his commentaries in 1475.-- Megahebrew (talk) 00:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me look at this one ... -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 00:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * February 25, 1475 is not mentioned on that page. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

yes it mentions 18 february 1475 but again it's the hebrew date/gregorian date problem and I understand that you use the gregorian but I believe that wikipedia is not only for goym it's also for jews and the hebrew date should matter since i only posted about jews anyway they (the dudes i posted about) were going by the hebrew date not the christian one. So... there should be something we can do. If i add both the hebrew and the usual date on the main pages and :) promise to update the date in the daily thing every year for the rest of wikipedia's existence is there a possibility? -- Megahebrew (talk) 01:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It really needs to be listed on the Gregorian date if you want to put it on a date page and the corresponding date must appear in the article. The page can't be dependent on someone changing it.  If there is some non-standard calendar that is used by a particular group, it is that group that has to adjust to accommodate the rest of the world, not vice-versa.  It would be almost like an American Jew saying that tax day changes every year because April 15 occurs on a different date in the Hebrew calendar.  They wouldn't get very far with that argument.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to keep pointing out things about Wikipedia that you might not like, but please don't mix BC and BCE in an article and also, please don't change BC to BCE or vice-versa. See WP:ERA.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

but at the same time you are offering false information about events BECAUSE you list them on the gregorian date. Because The Rogatchover Rebbe did not pass away on a day of the next week he passed away on this day. Today we and others too celebrate his yarzheit (if you know what that is) not next week. So if someone was going to see the date on wiki and wanted to go to synagogue for The Gaon's yarzheit (commemoration) and it would be listed on the 5th of march and he would go to shul (synagogue) next week he'd miss the yarzheit by a whole week. I beliave that that is false information. Seriously help me out on this one, be a little open-minded. -- Megahebrew (talk) 01:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm being open minded. I'm trying to think of a solution that would work.  The date articles represent Gregorian dates.  They can't represent Hebrew dates because those change.  I just see an incompatibility that might not be able to be overcome.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:30, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

ok, no offense but when there are jewish events or people it is chillul hashem to write bc or ad. I think you understand that in any jewish related case the term BCE and CE have to be used. I think it's even written on wiki somewhere. I's sure i saw that that's why i changed it. -- Megahebrew (talk) 01:24, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for delay, I had to look up what chillul hashem means. You can change them if you make it clear why in the edit summary.  You need to be sure to change all occurrences in the article.  But I would stick to articles that deal solely with Jewish subjects.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:30, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

of course. thnx. but about the date problem... oh, i noticed that there is a fast of esther post this year being on 25th february and obviously every year it's on a different date. I saw that in the main article the date had been updated for this year obviously. If I do that (where i can, of course, meaning on dates that celebrate something) then i could continue to use the gregorian date without being far off from the hebrew one. -- Megahebrew (talk) 01:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see any entry on February 25. Can you be more specific?  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:38, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

oh, it's on the main page on the "on this day.." whatever ... anyway. I think i'm getting the hang of it for the most part, but would it be easier first to tell about what edits and post i would want to do and after you check them i could continue or is it easier for me to just post and then have you remove or approve?? - Megahebrew (talk) 01:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't need me to approve or deny your edits. Just be aware, that there are guidelines that the community has put in place and your edits could and may be changed and you might not like it.  In any case, engaging in discussion on the issues is the best way to move forward.  If someone reverts your edits, just leave a message for them to discuss it.  If you have a question and need a second opinion, use the helpme tag here on this page and a helper will come along to help.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I also have another problem but i don't know what can be done. Anyway it's about the Satmar page. I don't know who edited/added the page but he wrote that they are a hasidic group which is                 completely false. One time i did edit the article and it was changed back. I have sources for this statement but i don't think that'll help. Can i make a new page about the Satmars??
 * You can't create another article. You should start a discussion at Talk:Satmar to explain your point of view and present your evidence.  That is the only way to proceed.  If your evidence and sources are valid, you should be ok.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, think about joining WikiProject Judaism. You'll find people to talk with there.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

no, you don't understand if the person who added the satmar page is a satmar himself he probably won't agree and cite other sources which might not even make sense but they do that i have experience. It's way too complex, i'm not gonna bore you with that. Anyway thanks a lot for your help, All the best.
 * It doesn't matter who the other editors are. They must cite reliable sources.  If they can't they have no argument.  But you must do the same.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 02:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Menachem Mendel Schneerson
Please do not make edits like that. You would need a reliable source to confirm he isn't actually dead for one thing, and for another, all the others say he is deceased, so they would need to later say that this was incorrect. Also please remember to mind WP:NPOV and WP:OR. Your personal views are not something to be put in the article. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 18:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)