User talk:Megalibrarygirl/Archives/2018/April

Kathleen K. Gilmore
I picked her because first she was an Okie and then a Texan, but I fell in love with her when I read that she started a project to uncover Spanish colonial presidios because she was researching a conquistador who murdered a woman, whose name was never given. She discovered the victim was Juana Francesca de Rodriguez. I wonder if they ever published her book posthumously? SusunW (talk) 14:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * , UNT is my alma mater! How cool! Also the study of the missions is really important. One of our biggest tourist attractions are the historical missions here in El Paso. I looked for her on Worldcat, but all I'm seeing are books printed while she was still alive. UNT has some of her items under "Kathleen Gilmore" and I wonder if their archives contain any of her papers, etc. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Very cool! I have no idea, but I knew you would love it. The book is discussed here on page 43. Since nothing ever gave the name of the book, but she was in the final edits for it when she died, it may be that you need to look for Tamra Walter, who said she would finish the work? SusunW (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you think this may be part of that work, ? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Woot! Sue, yes, I think that it is! It almost looks as if the book hasn't been published, but if we had access to the document, it might give a clue. I'd love to read the book. In her interviews, Gilmore was really quite funny, apparently she had "bad hair days" a lot ;) SusunW (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like it's buried in a conference archive, . I'll email them and see what they can do about this paper. Since it looks like there's continuing work on the project at Camp Wood, maybe that's what Walter is waiting on. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Cool. I hope they answer. Her research is exactly the way mine goes, it drives me crazy to have unidentified women in reports of things, so I am compelled to discover the back story. SusunW (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I hope so, too, . There is a very vexing mystery here in El Paso that's driving me crazy. Leona Ford Washington who was an editor of the black newspaper here and died in 2007 seems to not have archived the paper. No archives around here have copies and the people who seem to be managing her legacy are very weirdly cagey about providing ephemera. There are so many black people in El Paso that are mentioned in the larger newspapers with tantalizing hints so that you can tell they were important in their communities... but there's no record. Myself and a friend at the El Paso History Museum have been trying to pin this stuff down, but we keep hitting a wall. We know, for example, that there was a very active black women's suffrage group. It gets mentioned in Texas history, but the big papers don't write about them. I'm sure they're in the black newspaper. The whole situation is so frustrating. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:06, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Totally with you. So many of the archives of the black press are inaccessible behind university walls, state archival walls, in private collections, etc. I totally do not understand why they do not digitize them and share them. Okay, I get that it costs money to do that, but there are organizations that will help with that. SusunW (talk) 17:16, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * it's even worse than that here. If anyone has the copies of the articles, aside from ones that pop-up in the UTEP archives about specific people, they aren't sharing them--not even in person. It really feels like all of this information is either being hidden, has been lost (and they feel bad about it and don't want to talk about it) or was never saved. It's really tragic. My library just got a grant to digitize some historical maps. We got one of those giant-sized scanners. It's very cool. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * |o (bangs head against the wall) I used to spend almost every weekend at the Oklahoma Historical Library's newspaper archives. I just cannot imagine why the information wouldn't have been saved, somewhere. It is truly tragic. SusunW (talk) 21:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * LMAO, ! We have definitely been banging our heads, and not in a cool, rock n' roll way. We're not giving up. Someone has to have something, somewhere! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:21, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Natasha Pavlovich
Not sure if you got my earlier message so here's the new draft version : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Abonzz/Natasha_Pavlovich

For more info, you can check out our exchange on Ipigott's talk page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ipigott#Natasha_Pavlovich

Thanks for you help Abonzz (talk) 14:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! I'll take a look today. I was pretty busy over the last few days. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, ! I cleaned up the article. I removed references to IMDB and Wikipedia. Don't use those: they are considered unreliable sources. Also, I can tell from her homepage that there's a lot of news in non-English languages. Since the news is in PDF form, I can't use Google Translate to access it and see if they cover the info in your article. If you're fluent, I'd suggest translating them and use those sources. I think she's notable and now you just have to polish up the article. Good work so far! She's an interesting person! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Lurker here...Sue, sometimes you can translate a PDF by opening the cached version. Instead of opening the main link, the line below it in the search will have a line with a down arrow, click on it and you can select a cache version which usually exists. That will be in text and allow machine translation, though in the article, you will have to input the active link. Doesn't always work, but usually does. (finding ways around technology every day ;).) SusunW (talk) 15:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that! Awesome! :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Would that something like that existed for books, but so far, I haven't found such a thing :) SusunW (talk) 17:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clean-up! Not sure if she is the first woman to pilot a MIG-25 so I removed that info, but I can put it back. I can try to have the mentioned articles translated but how would I reference them? There is no http address except for the actress's website. Also the articles seem to be jpegs and not pdf's? Abonzz (talk) 20:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks for the tip!
 * I don't know what the source is, but for example if I come across like clippings collections, I do a citation like "Der erste weibliche Professor für Frauenheilkunde", "Dr. Catharina van Tussenbroek", or "Staat en Regeering, hof en diplomatie, legen en vloot personalia: Dr. Catharine van Tussenbroek, 1852—1925" on the article for Catharine van Tussenbroek. I have also titled things like "Clipping: untitled or dated, unknown source" and then done the contained in thingy. Does that help? SusunW (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Haven't figured out how to do citations yet nor the "contained in thingy". Concerning the latter, would I upload the jepg file to the wikipedia page using the embedded file icon? (Or do you upload to wikimedia?) How do you transform the uploaded file to a link afterwards? Are there copyright issues in this case if I use a downloaded Jpeg from the actress's website? Thanks! Abonzz (talk) 20:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * at the top of your editing screen is a menu. Press the last choice "Cite" a drop down will appear that says Template. Choose news if it is a newspaper clipping or journal if it is from a magazine. Fill in what you know, like the title, date, publisher, access date, (and language, if appropriate), press insert. It will create a citation. At the end of that, say it rendered type "contained in" and then select the drop down for web citation. Fill out the name of the website, the url link, the date, etc. I would probably also check for an archive link at https://archive.org/ and put in that url and archive date. Press insert again and remove the which appears after the news link and the It sounds way more complicated than it is. Let me know if you need more help. SusunW (talk) 21:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * and no, don't upload the copyrighted material just input the link where you found it. SusunW (talk) 21:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If you have trouble formatting the references, let me know. I don't mind doing cleanup. Thanks, for your excellent help as a page stalker! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the info. So should I add the URL of the personal website when I'm creating citations? Or in this this case would it be the Image Address? (when right clicking in Chrome). Or both?
 * Here is the web page, if you're interested: http://www.natashapavlovich.net/media-1.html
 * Here is the Image Address : http://nebula.wsimg.com/d31f19783e12bb8a91c73d4617f3cb1c?AccessKeyId=16C8CA2DB04574941FBB&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
 * And I will probably take you up on your offer. Thanks again!
 * Hi in the case of the image you sent, I would cite it this way: That's the bare minimum of info in the clip. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Very helpful example
 * sorry, I was lawn watering ;) Exactly, Sue. There's lots of different ways you could cite it. I am totally OCD, so would cite it But either way, you get the information in your citation. (The reason I put an archive link, is that if she moves her web page or it is crashed, you can still always link to the info from the archived link). SusunW (talk) 23:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

how to add people to crowd sourced lists
Hi Susan, quick question. How can you add a potential article to a WIR list? I saw a few but they are automatically generated from WikiData. I wanted Maria Minniti added to such a list since I may not have the time to get to it soon. Thanks! Thsmi002 (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Go here WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index and look for crowd-sourced lists. If you add there, it won't be deleted like it would from a WikiData list, which doesn't allow manual input. SusunW (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Were you able to add her, ? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:49, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes I was, thank you both :) Thsmi002 (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Request to userfy article
Hi Megalibrarygirl - would you be willing to userfy Zaneta Wyne for me? I'd like to add a few more references. Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 01:08, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've restored and moved it for you here: User:Hmlarson/Zaneta Wyne. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:13, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this so my work isn't lost forever.  I hope we can continue to work on this and I will try to help you if I can.  The C of E  God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 18:26, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help both you! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you both! Hmlarson (talk) 23:51, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Women aren't notable, apparently
If you haven't seen it yet, I think you will be interested in Articles for deletion/Tammie Jo Bonnell. Sadly, I predicted the challenges to the article but didn't expect a nascent draft to be challenged, too.

Any ideas on how to fix this? We discussed it F2F on the way home from Berlin wrt other vexatious deletions for articles I was involved with, like: ☆ Bri (talk) 15:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Sarah Ballard, exoplanet discoverer, "Non-notable postdoc"
 * Marissa Johnson, BLM leader "WP:BLP1E"
 * She's obviously notable. She was one of the Navy's first fighter pilots if I remember correctly. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that fact is in the article too. Yet... verbatim from the Afd:
 * "Any biography that includes pet chickens and Sunday school teaching is clearly struggling for relevance"
 * "notable for a single event and likely to remain a low-profile individual"
 * "the subject is only known for this one mishap"
 * "she is known for one thing, being on a doomed flight"
 * Very disappointed ☆ Bri (talk) 01:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Me too, but if we keep fighting,, we will prevail... eventually. I do think the arc of history bends towards justice. It just takes a really, really long time. I'm glad to see it was closed as a keep. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Me Too movement page
Hello Megalibrarygirl, I hope you're having a good day so far. You showed me how to use Wikipedia to access library databases and I appreciate it greatly. I hope you don't mind if I ask you a question, but you seem like you understand Wikipedia more than anyone I know and I have a quandary. I have gone back and forth with different versions of this edit with a user on the Me Too movement page several times over the last few months. I believe the number of responses to the #MeToo hashtag in the first 24 hours is extremely important information for understanding the magnitude of the movement, but that information keeps getting deleted. I feel like the movement is being unfairly minimized with these edits. When I started a conversation on the talk page about the intro, the same user told me I was wrong and no one else ever commented on the discussion. Do you have any suggestions on how I could possibly start a conversation that gets more than one set of eyes on it? Even if the result is the information stays deleted, I would feel so much better if there was a consensus between more than one person. I appreciate any ideas or suggestions, but I also realize how busy you must be. Take care, Lonehexagon (talk) 21:51, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like that user doesn't think it belongs in the lede. I think the lede is a fine place for it. However, have you tried adding the information to the body of the article? Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:57, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, the only place that information has "stuck" is here: Me Too movement. I am glad that it is at least in there somewhere, but the information seems really hidden in such a huge article. Lonehexagon (talk) 22:12, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm glad it's in there, . I wonder why the objection to it in the lede? It's not like the lede is too long. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't want to read too much into another editor's intentions, but based on the edits I've seen made by that user on that page over the last few months, I feel that they may be intending to minimize the movement. I'm sure from their point of view, they're trying to prevent bias that puts the movement in too-positive a light. They are the ones that marked the page with the undue weight tag. But regardless of their intentions, I feel the best way to move forward is to see if I can get more discussion about the lede from other users. I found the WP:LEAD page and I will start a discussion on the Talk page using information from that, and see if I can get more than the one user to participate. I appreciate your discussion and the time you spent looking into this. Thank you, Lonehexagon (talk) 22:29, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * , feel free to ping me on that talk page discussion. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:31, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I read WP:LEAD and wrote out what I planned to say at User:Lonehexagon/sandbox (Warning: It's kind of long). But I've been dreading posting it to the MeToo talk page because I feel like this topic causes high levels of tension and it may turn into a long drawn-out conversation. I know I'd find that extremely draining, considering I've been avoiding Wikipedia for days just at the thought of posting it. After some reflection, I decided I'm not going to post it, and focus on making new pages and updating old ones instead of trying to significantly edit that particular page. I just wanted to let you know why I never pinged you :) Lonehexagon (talk) 22:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll be able to devote full attention to this tomorrow. Today's been nuts. But in the meantime, it may be good to have take a look. Her ledes are AMAZING! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no need for any sourcing in the lede, as it is a summary of information already sourced in the body. The only time I would ever put a source in the lede if there is a direct quote. I'll look at it in depth tomorrow, but my initial comments are that if you are going to include Gwyneth Paltrow, Ashley Judd, Jennifer Lawrence, and Uma Thurman in the lede, the body should have more about their than their name being contained in a list. I also don't see that several pieces of legislation have been introduced in the body of the article. SusunW (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks for taking a look!, I think it's a good lede. What SusunW said is important: you can take the cites from the lede and work them into the article. I'd leave out the big names, especially since they're all white women. There's already criticism that white women get too much of the spotlight in MeToo (which you mention in the lede). Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you both so much for your time and help :) It is greatly appreciated. Lonehexagon (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Category:Information storage, again
Hi, would you be willing to comment again at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_February_15? Other editors were not able to access the links that you provided, and this detracts from the weight of your argument. At present I'm minded to close the discussion as Rename, despite your opposition. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:45, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi I provided the cites in long format since EBSCO is frustrating. Anyone can email or ping me if they need full access to the individual articles. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:38, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I added links using the doi template. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Sarah Frey
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Precious three years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, ! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:36, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Food
Hello! After the successful pilot program by Wikimedia India in 2015, Wiki Loves Food (WLF) is happening again in 2018 and this year, it's  going International. To make this event a grant success, your direction is key. Please sign up here as a volunteer to bring all the world's food to Wikimedia. Danidamiobi (talk) 09:00, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!
You are just awesome. Thank you for wading in with your always positive outlook. I can't adequately put into words how much your support and input means. SusunW (talk) 17:46, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I feel the same way about you and I'm always happy to be of help. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)