User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 22

Please do not specify wrong name
Hello Mel,

I saw your current edit on rohingya article page about free rohingya campaign web site name. Please make sure learn the website title. I again request you to mention correct name.

It is called Free Rohingya Campaign (International). It is designed base on blog but not the website title.

thanks --Arakan 10:40, 11 August 2005 (UTC) Dear Mel,

Thank you very much for your message.

Can you please leave it as i edit now .. I hope it won't effect their organization name. i hope it would be ok soon. regards, --Arakan 11:01, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't entirely understand you, but the point is that the site is a weblog; why do you insist on removing that description? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC) Dear Mel; you can't just simply say it is webblog look at the domain name. ok?? as i told you before it was base on blogger. that's all ! let me ask you something?? why do you want to make misunderstand to wiki visitor. i think it is a kind of abusing their organization website name title. So; i'm earnestly requesting not to mentioned that blog etc.. ok?? thanks, --Arakan 14:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arakan"

3RR at Rohingya
Mel, just wanted to notify that has violated the 3RR by reverting the blog link 4 times. Thanks. --Ragib 15:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Mel, how are sockpuppet assisted 3RR violations handled? is most likely a sockpuppet of . And he's been going on reverting the blog link again. --Ragib 17:36, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * ragib, don't think that you are very very good behaviour in wiki . we all knows that you are trouble maker in wiki . you must change your usage and don't try to create the problem everytime.

--Bobjack 08:37, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Abandoned outline?
I keep finding little jobs for you. How are you holding up with the stress of your high calling? Some chunks of your talk page are the stuff of nervous breakdowns.

Theology/temp This four month old article is just an outline with no ongoing activity by the creating editor -- it seems to have been created as a result of a discussion on the Theology talk page. Perhaps it's a candidate for deletion if no action is taken soon?

Thanks for your help. WBardwin 15:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

3RR violations== ==

hello --Ragib --Mel Etitis Please do not revert articles more than 3 times per 24 hours. Also using sockpuppets to do that counts. Thanks. --Eddiewiki 17:42, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Func's RfA :)
Mel, I wanted to thank you for supporting my adminship, thank you very much! :)

It's fortunate for me that certain prerequisites for adminship are sometimes optional. :)

Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.

Func( t, c, e, ) 19:00, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Apology (Plato)
What happened on Category_talk:Dialogues_of_Plato? I asked you to clarify two things: While someone else did eventually give some answers to this, I never heard from you. So, I still don't understand what your "reasons given before." are, now. Please respond. Thanks! JesseW 21:26, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) State the standard that the article titles (before the "proposed moves") followed, or state that they did not follow such a standard.
 * 2) Further explain your objection that the "propsed moves" "prejudge" what articles may conflict with articles on characters.

Looking things over, I understand...
I've been reviewing some of your contributions to fixing the Mariah Carey single pages, and though I don't agree with some of the edits, removals, and naming conventions, I can understand your position in this regard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiclover (talk • contribs) 02:46, 12 August 2005

thanks
Hello MEl,

Contribution to wikipedia is great work. i really appeciate it. There should be fair and balance while you judge or edit one's aritcle. --Bobjack 08:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

It took me a while, for some reason
To peel this nectraine. Thanks for listening, Mel! El_C 08:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I just wanted attention. :(

Recent disruptive edits and childish messages
Either one person using multiple accounts or more than one person with the same standard and style of English and making the same edits, has been disrupting this article, its Talk page, and the Talk pages of Ragib and myself. If this doesn't stop, some or all of the accounts will be blocked from editing.

If anyone has a genuine and specific complaint about the article, would they explain it here, clearly, simply, and factually, without emotional ranting and bluster? Only then can we start the process of collaboration. Simply reverting the article without explanation, especially when that involves no more than revrtign improvements in line with the Manual of style, is not acceptable. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:51, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * mel, the explainations are more than enough for you,look at the messages above. so,you may not need to repeat again and again for blocking user.we knows you can do it as admin. beside, all the reader can be justify whether you are right or wrong.--Bobjack 10:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Do not Vandalism article
Mel, you are contionusly vandal the article. Such Violaton shall be stop. please keep wiki standard updated .violations would not be accepted by any reader of wikipedia. go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism. Thanks,--Bobjack 13:59, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Rohingya
Hi. Let's work together and help user:Ragib write about the Rohingya people in peace. I think we can also accommodate the POV of the Free Rohingya Campaign (FRC). But they don't have to create multiple accounts to evade 3RR. Uncle Ed 15:40, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

vandal
Mel, would you look at and look into blocking them? They are taking up a lot of my time. --goethean &#2384; 19:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

impostor
I'm sure you are not the person blanking pages, but I can't quite figure out the difference in user names between you User:Mel_Etitis and the imitator User:Μel_Etitis. If I've egregiously blocked the wrong one, please undo-it-yourself. Perhaps some difference in the underscore or something? - Nunh-huh 02:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Gropecunt Lane
It is pretty obviously not a faked photograph (happy to send the original if you want, at least five years old), it was put on a wall of a courtyard of a pub in London, in the City or the financial district I believe. It is no longer a street, as the article clearly indicates (I wrote it), but the sign indicates that it was. The Guardian has discussed the renaming which might happen. Coqsportif 10:54, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Could you please give consideration to explaining why you are proposing the deletion of the Gropecunt Lane image. It is not fake, merely nostalgic. Coqsportif 08:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Australia's East Timor Cover Up
Hi Mel, how are things going? Could I ask very nice for you to have a look at the above page? I would be very interested in knowing what you think about (1) the article name, (2) the contents, and (3) the suitability for Wikipedia. I have thought about trying to fix it, but it is probably a lost cause. Lao Wai 12:06, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Editing Closed RFA's
Hello, I saw you editing Requests_for_adminship/FeloniousMonk. This RFA has been concluded, and you were editing votes and modifying totals. While your motivation was innocent, and it certainly looks tidier, I have reverted you, because it isn't the version the bureaucrat took the descision on. Please don't change it again. Kim Bruning 16:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I can't make an exception for you. Kim Bruning 18:53, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I have removed the 24 hour block that Kim Bruning placed for "tampering in the RFA records". I don't know how changing (correcting) neutral votes could be seen as deserving a 24 hour block. Carbonite | Talk 19:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It is very hard to discern innocious changes from malevolent ones, even for the editor making them! So if you want to add a comment, or point out error, put it at the end, clearly marked as being added later. (discussion continued at User talk:Carbonite)Kim Bruning 19:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Regarding your comments in the Mega Man X Collection VFD
I was under the impression that future objects, like books/albums/games/movies/etc., as opposed to future events, which generally can only be scpeculated about, weren't crystal-ballery per WP:NOT, because verifiable things can be said about them. As for notability, it might be worth going to WP:CVG and starting a dialogue about notability criteria for games; right now, any published game is being considered notable, and, personally, I've been voting according to that standard. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 17:55, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

-Ril-'s RFC
Just a quick not to let you know that you neglected to sign your certification of the RFC concerning -Ril-. Tomer TALK 10:15, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm here to serve. :-) Tomer TALK 19:20, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Madonna, removed white space

 * I spent time removing the white space from Madonna's article. You killed it and added the "Queen of Pop" comment. Is there a particular reason why? Kim Nevelsteen 15:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I changed the layout again, perhaps this one is more appealing? Kim Nevelsteen 18:11, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I was attempting to reduce the huge amount of white space the article had. If you remove the spacing the text will be too bunched up. I know the spacing is a jimmy rig but the command or something like that would clear the floating TOC as well, which is not what I wanted. I leave it up to you. Sorry, don't find the current layout better. :( Kim Nevelsteen 19:11, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * no, I am quite sure it is the layout since it was the gap between the picture and the TOC is the result of trying to get the Biography to start under the picture. (both Firefox and IE look the same on my machine) I think it is a question of preference. Up to you... Kim Nevelsteen 19:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

BaronLarf's RFA
Thanks for supporting me in my RFA last week. You're one of the helpful admins that I've looked up to in the past couple of months, and I appreciate you continuing help. Let me know if I can be of assistance or if you have concerns about my use of the admin tools. Cheers. --BaronLarf 20:51, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Regine Velasquez
&Mu;&epsilon;&lambda;&epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf;, I always use the serial, Harvard, or Oxford comma, and let me tell you, any serial commas in this fluff article were probably due to my edits!

As for the relative position of commas and quotes in relation to non-quoted material, I've seen no style guide on this issue in the Wikipedia space. The style guide specifies relative positions for quote-marked quotations, and as most of the comma-quoting changes I made were for song titles, not quotations, the guide does not apply. Or rather, it does, as I consider all song titles to imply full stops.

I am certain you would agree with me when I state that a large part of the movement in this article towards Wikipedia style in the last several days has been due to my efforts. If I missed changing the Regines to Velasquezes, it was solely because I was concentrating on correcting more egregious flaws in the article.

&rarr; (AllanBz &#9998;) 22:58, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's really hot where I am, and I apologize if I responded too hotly myself. While I disagree on the relative placement of commas and quotes for titles, there are many more things in the article that need to be addressed before that particular issue becomes noteworthy. &rarr; (AllanBz &#9998;) 23:40, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
Hi Mel, I have been copyediting a number of articles, and apparently, you do not seem to agree with many of my efforts. I would appreciate if you can give me one or two examples in the Michael Jackson article so that I do not waste my efforts and repeat the same mistakes. PM Poon 05:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Born To Make You Happy
I think Triggy is correct because "BTMYH" was actually released in December 1999 for Europe (its peak of success was, however, in Janurary 2000) and "FTBOMBH" was released in January 2000 for the US market and others, primarily because the US market is slow moving and "Crazy" was still popular there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultimate Star Wars Freak (talk • contribs) 10:26, 15 August 2005

Michael Jackson
Thank you very much, Mel, for your prompt response to my query.

It is not true that I removed the “copyedit” template, without doing anything to the copy-edit article. I went through the article, and except for omissions of commas and minor typos, I did not find anything wrong. And the reason why I did not find anything wrong may probably be because "my English would have to improve considerably", LOL.

I did also review the history section of the article to see when the copy-edit tag was placed there. And when I saw that many contributors had already copyedited the article (thus, explaining why I couldn't see any mistake) and the tag was still there, I took it off. The decision to remove the tag was not due to my contribution alone, but to what I thought, was a collective contribution, LOL.

As for placing punctuation inside quotation marks, that was what I learned in American English grammar, but after you alert me to it, I do see now that Wikipedia has its own MoS. I must admit that I did not read the MoS thoroughly before I start copyediting, and this is my greatest mistake.

Yes, Mel, I agree with you that I ought to stop “copy-editing” and add content instead. I really appreciate your advice very much. Seems like my time with Wikipedia these last two weeks, instead of being a positive contribution, looks more like vandalism, LOL. PM Poon 10:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Captain Marvel (DC Comics)
As far as I know, it's customary comic book usage to use the numeral symbol instead of the "no." --FuriousFreddy 11:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Many Thanks
Thanks for supporting my RFA. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 16:54, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Born to Make You Happy== ==

The reason I edited the chronology to that form is because "Born to Make You Happy" and "From the Bottom of My Broken Heart" were both released more-or-less at the same time, but in different parts of the world. My edit makes more sense, whether you agree with it or not. Triggy 18:17, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Mariah Carey
i'm a mariah carey fan since 1995 and collecting her remixes since 1999. I have a list with her official remixes as well as the way the remixes are written. I've been trying to correct Mariah's official remixes list because I have seen the backcovers of almost every single and or maxi. Sadly, each time I modify them so that they are correctly written, they keep coming back to their original state, meaning with mistakes. i just wanted to know why.

thank you jennifer (aka mczelda) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mczelda (talk • contribs) 22:40, 15 August 2005

Sort Categories
Hello, could you please sort your categories – "Atheist Wikipedians", "Wikipedians in Oxfordshire" and "Consequentialist Wikipedians" – on your user page, so that your user name is properly sorted in these categories. I would have done it myself but your user page is protected. Thankyou. – AxSkov ( ☏ ) 05:05, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if you user name is real or not, category sorting just sorts names alphabetically, so that in these categories your name is categorised under "M" instead of "U" (for User:Name). – AxSkov ( ☏ ) 08:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Pattern of AOL related blocks.
Hate to bug you, Mel, but I would appreciate a favor if you are available in the next few hours. I am hit by blocks directed at other users due to the fact that AOL customes get randomly assigned common IP numbers. Blocks have hit me twice today (info below). Please see my user page User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection for the history of this ongoing situation. If you would please release the block, I have a few small edits I would like to make before work tomorrow. Thanks. WBardwin 05:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Curps.

The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Aesculapius75". The reason given for Aesculapius75's block is: "pagemove vandalism".

You can email Curps or one of the other administrators to discuss the block. You may also edit your user talk page if you wish. If you believe that our blocking policy was violated, you may discuss the block publicly on the WikiEN-l mailing list. Note that you may not use the "email this user" feature unless you have a Wikipedia account and a valid email address registered in your user preferences.

Your IP address is 207.200.116.138.


 * Why I am "targeted" so often is an AOL mystery to me, altogether. As for a school -- I do live within 10 blocks of a technical college and within 10 miles of a university.  Both with lots of bored students up much too late, I suppose.  Thanks for your interest, Mel.  WBardwin 16:12, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Gropecunt Lane
Please do not delete the image pending its consideration for deletion by reason of the fact that you will make the image an orphan (itself a reason for deletion). I'm sure you'd agree in those circumstances such an action could be seen as not consistent with the highest standards. Coqsportif 10:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I repeat my concern that removing it from the article is in fact the only reason for deleting it. Those calling for its deletion are people with whom I have had quite unrelated conflicts over other articles, which entitles us to examine the motivation behind their view. In any event, there are rules governing the deletion of images and I cannot see how the image could properly be deleted. It is only the action of orphaning of the image that might have that effect. I implore you to consider the propriety of orphaning the image in those circumstances and to leave it in place until a decision is independently and properly made. Coqsportif 11:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

You nominated the image for deletion on the grounds it was fake. An allegation easily disproved as I have the original photograph and scanned it. I will happily post the original to anyone in authority at Wikipedia to resolve the issue in terms of the evidence.

Was that not the reason you proposed its deletion?

In any event, my argument is that it is not consistent with high standards to orphan the image for the purposes of procuring its deletion on those grounds. I will leave the matter for you to consider. Coqsportif 11:27, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I have asked you to reflect on the propriety of proposing an image for deletion on one grounds, then orphaning it so that it would be deleted for being orphaned. I urge you to consider it carefully. I can do no more than that. Coqsportif 11:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Welsh rarebit
The welsh rarebit/rabbit quotes no primary sources for its information. Regardless of whether it is correct, the modern term for this dish is welsh *rarebit* and this has been the case for at the very least well in excess of a century and so, while if in the past it was called "welsh rabbit" it may have been a confusing name, it no longer is so, since it is no longer called "welsh rabbit", so it doesn't belong on the page.

Arguably in the past there was a recipe called welsh rabbit. There isn't one any more. It thus would only be suitable for a page called "names of foods that confused people in the 18th century".

If I seem pedantic about something so unimportant as cheese on toast, I apologise. If wikipedia is to ever be considered reliable, it should be correct in detail IMV. If welsh rabbit is to remain, which I would disagree with, there should at least be a note clarifying that the normal spelling is "rarebit", derived from "rabbit", IMV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.117.56 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 16 August 2005


 * "Welsh rarebit" is an 18th-century "fanciful coinage"; the original, correct, and still very commonly-used name is "Welsh rabbit". It's true that for various reasons (including misplaced political correctness) "Welsh rarebit" has also become very popular, and possibly even more popular (at least in print; in common usage I'm not so sure), but the List of misleading food names doesn't depend upon the relative popularity of different forms. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 17:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Ontology and methodology of evolutionary alternatives
You might want to weigh in on this early: Votes for deletion/Ontology and methodology of evolutionary alternatives --goethean &#2384; 20:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Nonsense pages
I've so far had to delete three pages that you've created in the main article space, all consisting of copies of User talk pages under silly names. Please stop this; it's vandalism, and could lead to you being blocked from editing. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 20:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * sorry about that, as you'll see if you look through my edit history, those were failed attempts at parsing, not intentional vandalism, they were supposed to turn into 'level 2 headers' on my talk page, not their own articles--I-2-d2 20:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Parachutes
You should look at some of the style conventions found on other album articles... and most importantlyWikiproject Albums. I've been a longtime contributor to albums, singles and EP listings, so I think I know what I'm doing...

FYI:
 * Track length is presnted comme "XX min XX secs", i.e., Scissor Sisters, Monster (album)', Computer World'''
 * The release and recording dates wikify the day, month, and year indicated, i.e., Hail_to_the_Thief, Revolver, The Wall, etc.
 * "Catalog" should be used, not "Catalogue"; this is a British album and should follow British spelling conventions
 * It's "Life Is For Living", not "Life Is for Living",,.
 * Album and singles positions are always generally presented in numeral form (i.e, #53), and not spelt out in full; especially when it is lower than a Top 10 position. For example, Don't Believe the Truth, In_Your_Honor, Krafty, etc.
 * And about POV comments... I'm curious as to why "modest" was removed from the description of the Billboard 200 position, yet in many articles including From the Bottom of My Broken Heart" (which your recently edited), you overlooked the fact that it mentioned the song had a "weak" chart position and comments like "a flop for Spears in a country where her singles generally make at least top-twenty placement".

Just some food for thought. I would be very careful of accusing someone of vandalism, especially when I had been following the WikiAlbums conventions in the first place. At the very least, I'm sorry if I didn't warn you about your changes beforehand. Cheers. --Madchester 00:39, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

If you have problems with the current Wikiproject Albums] criteria, plz address them there before making unilateral edits on numerous album articles. Thank you. --Madchester 14:11, August 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * Since there are many music-exclusive/oriented editors on Wikipedia, it's best that you discuss your actions on the Wikiproject Albums discussion before carrying out your personal MoS edit project. Otherwise your actions will be seen in bad faith by other Wikipedia users.
 * If you believe there are some problems with the current Albums project, then direct your concerns there, rather than making unilateral edits of your own. That way it prevents any inconsistencies on future articles, and give current users a heads-up on changing existing articles. You should be trying to reach a resolution there before making any further edits to music articles.
 * In the long run, policy change/amendment is better for Wikipedia than guerilla edits here and there. I don't want to see you piss off any users that may not be more understanding as I am.  Cheers,  --Madchester 14:29, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

L`arc~en~ciel
Hello-

Just wanted to clarify that all members of L`arc~en~ciel have the first letter in the name lower-cased.

Angelica (user name ultrabionic ang) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.137.45 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 17 August 2005


 * I know, and in fact I've been correcting to lower-case when I see it. However, sentences always start with upper-case letters, and that overrides other typographical conventions (just as it does with common nouns). --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 10:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I wanted to leave you a note of thanks for making my morning a little brighter. Your message regarding the diet of trolls put a smile on my face. --Viriditas | Talk 03:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Amalekite
He's obviously a sockpuppet; just look at his edit history. He's apparently trying to team up with others to create cliques. Jayjg (talk) 18:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Baekje
Hello Mel,

I've just been looking at the Baekje article and I noticed that on 20th April this year you edited the article and made some substantial, and controversial, changes. The edit summary did not reflect the controversial changes which involved the wholesale replacement of the BC/AD notation with the uncommon, and largely unknown, CE/BCE alternative. You will know that Wikipedia policy in these matters is that the preference of the first major contributor (User:Ryuch in this case) should be maintained. Why did you feel the need to go against this policy? I would like to change the article back to BC/AD usage, but do you have particularly strong views on the matter? Arcturus 23:04, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Language
Hi, I have responded to your comments at Talk:Language. Now I see that the philosopher influencing me is one of your colleagues, except for a time difference. But I talked a few months ago with a philosophy student from Oxford who hadn't heard of Collingwood, so I don't know how much institutional memory there is of him. Anyway I shall be glad for your response. Cheers, David Pierce 08:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)