User talk:Melanochromis/Archive01

Asian arowana
I have seen you making excellent contributions to fish-related articles, so I am writing to ask for your help. I have been working hard on Asian arowana (Scleropages formosus) and have recently gotten it to good article status. I would like to make it a featured article, but I could really use the help of other users. Information about this species is hard to find in my country because they are illegal here. Any help you could give would be appreciated. --Ginkgo 100 talk 23:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. Can you help with the text of this image? Are stamps issued by the Thai government copyrighted? Is there any description of the fish in the picture? Thank you! --Ginkgo 100 talk 22:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Fish
Hi, Melanochromis. The Fish portal looks nice! I'm sure you're still in the middle of arranging things, but I look forward to seeing it listed at Portal:List of portals and Portal/Directory. Also, if you're interested in adding randomized selections and/or preparing the portal for featured status, I'm always willing to help. Just say the word on what types of help you might like and I'll see what I can do pitch in. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 22:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thailand Portal thank you
Thanks for your work on improving the look of Portal:Thailand, and especially for choosing Cinema of Thailand as the featured article. — WiseKwai 10:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Seconded. Just one minor point - the Did you know section is for announcing new articles, so both of your additions don't really belong there as both articles are present for quite some time already. I have replaced them with a new article, well, of mine... I am looking forward to your further contributions on Thai topics or at the Thailand portal. andy 22:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Noted. I didn't know that was the convention for the Thai portal. I'll look for newer articles next time. Thanks for updating it !! --Melanochromis 23:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal tips
I have done a lot of extensive work (and so has Rfrisbie) to Portal:Business and Economics. I would like to bring it to Featured Portal status and I am seeking your opinion! Please leave your suggestions at the the Portal talk:Business and Economics about how to get this portal to featured status. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!  Nish kid 64  04:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles
Hi and welcome to AAR,

I noticed that you are from Thailand. Our coverage of Asia is pretty bad in respect to their herpetofauna. Do you have any photos you can upload? It doesn't matter if you can't identify them, we should be able to if they are clear enough. Thanks. --liquidGhoul 11:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi liquidGhoul. Thanks for the welcome. Unfortunately I'm in Central New York and haven't been back to Thailand for quite a while. I probably wouldn't be much help with the picture upload. But maybe I can help you with the Thai language sources. --Melanochromis 11:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal review volunteers
Hi, based on your previous good deeds, please consider becoming one of the portal review volunteers and adding your name to the list. :-) Regards, Rfrisbietalk 18:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * just signed up --Melanochromis 06:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Aquarium Fishes
Thanks for starting up this project. Long overdue. I'm happy to help. I'd suggest worrying less about trying to be a "how-to" guide (there are lots of those on the web) but focus instead on the background facts. For example, different types of filters and filter media (pros/cons); add aquarium statistics to descriptions of important fish; create or expand articles for aquarium-specific concepts, such as fish-less cycling, filter bacteria, spawning triggers, etc.

There need to be articles about the fishkeeping industry. For example, which countries are most involved as exporters and breeders of fish, which countries buy a lot of ornamental fish, and what the different trends are (e.g., where are marine reefs popular, or arowana, or goldfish?). The value of the industry should be described in terms of money and jobs, and also the conservation issues, fish breeding/farming, release of exotic species into the wild, and questions of ethics (e.g., feeder fish).

We also need our own "stub" with a suitable graphic!

Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 10:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. I think I got a bit caught up when writing the project draft. I wanted to keep it short but once I started writing, I just couldn't stop. Feel free to edit or modify the project page though. I trust you. Originally I was hesitating whether to name it wikiproject fishkeeping or wikiproject aquarium fishes, but I chose aquarium fishes to make it in line with other project names (cat breeds, dog breeds, instead of cat keeping, dog keeping). But fishkeeping should still be our main focus anyway.


 * Like you said I think most fishkeeping-related articles are very much underdeveloped (except a few like marine aquarium). Yesterday I was browsing articles and stubs in the Category:Fishkeeping and realized that we need to come up with a way to do this. The fishkeeping article should probably be the first focus and it can be branched out, many of its sections can be expanded into full articles. At the present (15 December 2006), this article doesn't talk about the science of fishkeeping (water chemicals, filtration, lighting, tank set-up, etc.). Do you want to start with that?


 * About the fishkeeping industry, the article does have this section but it doesn't cover that much. Maybe we can expand it and/or split it up to a seperate article.


 * Anyway, I'm putting this fishkeeping article as our project "collaboration" and we'll develop it the way you suggested. And I'm moving our discussion to the project talk page so that other people can see and might be interested to help. Cheers, --Melanochromis 11:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * let's continue our discussion here --Melanochromis 11:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Philosophy of science
Hi, this is a test of the List of portal review volunteers. Please take a look at the Philosophy of Science Portal and share any tips on how it can be improved to Featured Portal status at its talk page. Thanks! Rfrisbietalk 20:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Fish
Polish Wikipedia has portal about fish. I have some photos fish but polish portal has many photos. I greet :) --Bastet78 17:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wat Phradhammakaya
เรียนคุณMelanochromis

บทความในส่วนที่เกี่ยวกับวัดพระธรรมกาย เดิมทีผมเป็นคนเริ่มต้นเขียนขึ้นมา แต่ต่อมามีผู้ไม่หวังดี มาแก้บทความให้เป็นไปในเชิงให้ร้ายวัดพระธรรมกาย โดนเฉพาะในส่วนท้ายสุดที่เกี่ยวเนื่องด้วย"กรณีวิพากษ์วัดพระธรรมกาย" ที่เขียนในทำนองโจมตีวัดโดยอ้างเอาลิขิตพระสังฆราช ทั้งที่ในความเป็นจริงพระลิขิตไม่ใด่ระบุชัดเจนลงไปว่าเป็นชื่อของพระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์พ้นจากความเป้นพระ และที่สำคัญในภายหลังความจริงก็ปรากฏแก่สายตามหาชนแล้วว่า พระลิขิตหลายฉบับล้วนเป็นของปลอมที่มีผู้ไม่หวังดีแอบอ้างนามพระสังฆราชกระทำการขึ้นมา

ดังนั้นในส่วนของบทความท้ายสุดเมื่อผมมาอ่านเจอ หรือแม้แต่คนวัดพระธรรมกายมาอ่านเจอก็ทราบว่าเป็นบทความที่มีเนื้อหาเป็นเท็จ จึงต้องลบบทความตอนท้ายนั้นออก จึงหวังเป็นอย่างยิ่งว่าในฐานะที่คุณทำหน้าที่เป็นอีดิทเตอร์ จักได้ทำหน้าที่อย่างบริสุทธิ์และสมบูรณ์ และมีความเป็นกลางอย่างแท้จริง ไม่ฉวยโอกาสในหน้าที่ กระทำการโจมตีใส่ร้ายบุคลลอื่น ที่สำคัญมีกฏของผู้ทำหน้าที่อีดิทเตอร์ว่าจะต้องไม่กระทำการโจมตีใส่ร้ายบุคคลอื่นอยู่แล้ว จึงหวังว่าท่านจะไม่พยายามกระทำการเลือกปฏิบัติโดยการเอาบทความเท็จมาใส่ในบทความเกี่ยวกัยวัดพระธรรมกายอีก

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ผู้หวังในความเป็นธรรมอย่างแท้จริง


 * Hi User:211.72.233.9 and User:61.230.188.90. Your message was edited by two different IP addresses. Are both IPs the same or different persons?


 * First of all, welcome to wikipedia. Your contribution to the Wat Phra Dhammakaya article is appreciated and I encourage you to keep up the good works. However, I'll have to remind you that wikipedia articles are open to everyone to contribute. If you disagree with other editors, please try to discuss with them first before deleting their edits without explanation, or at least give out the reasons why you deleted it. You (and/or other anonymous editors with different IPs) have been deleting the contents for at least 18 times. Each time, someone had to revert it, and still the deletions continued. Several different editors already gave out numerous warnings but they were simply ignored. Such repeated deletions of other people works without explanation is simply not polite, and might eventually be considered vandalism.


 * And I'm not happy that you accused me of discrimination. If somebody else deleted your sections of the article without explanation, I'd revert it back just the same. Regards, --Melanochromis 14:39, 17 December 2006

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เรียนคุณMelanochromis

ก่อนอื่นต้องขอโทษหากทำให้คุณไม่สบายใจและเสียใจ และขอบคุณที่คุณเข้าใจความรู้สึกของผู้ที่ถูกกลั่นแกล้ง โดยการลบข้อความเท็จเหล่านั้นทิ้งไป

ในโอกาสหน้าหากมีอะไรให้ช่วยเหลือก็บอกได้นะครับ ขอบคุณครับ

ด้วยความนับถือ

คนเดิม


 * Hi again anonymous user (with so many different IP addresses). I see you still repeatedly delete the criticism section, of both Wat Phra Dhammakaya and Dhammakaya Movement articles. Please read the talk page of both articles. Here's a quote from one of the editors who tried to communicate with you:


 * "Please stop removing the new and informational links at the bottom. These are mainly from legitimate media sources, and help to provide sources of information that will help promote NPOV. If you have a legimitate reason for their removal, please state so in the talk page so that we don't have to keep changing the wiki back and forth."


 * Regards, --Melanochromis 06:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

เรียนคุณMelanochromis

เดิมทีคิดว่าคุณได้เข้าใจในความไม่หวังดีที่บางบุคคลได้เขียนบทความเท็จ เพื่อหวังดิสเครดิทวัดพระธรรมกายและพระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์(หลวงพ่อธัมมชโย)ซึ่งราชทินนามท่านเป็นได้รับพระกรุณาโปรดเกล้าแต่งตั้งโดยพระบาทสมเด็จพระเจ้าอยู่หัว ดังนั้นในเนื้อหาภาษาอังกฤษที่อ้างว่ามีพระลิขิตสมเด็จพระสังฆราช เพื่อนำมาอ้างการขาดจากความเป็นพระนั้น เป้นข้ออ้างที่มั่วที่สุด เพราะสมเด้จเองไม่เคยมีพระลิขิตที่ระบุชื่ออกมาชัดเจนถึงพระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์ อีกทั้งบัดนี้ทางสำนักงานพระพุทธศาสนาแห่งชาติ มหาเรสมาคม และทางศาลก็มีมติในเรื่องคดีความแล้วว่าท่านพ้นจากข้อกล่าวหา

ดังนั้นบทความนี้จึงขัดแย้งกับความเป้นจริง ซึ่งผู้ที่เข้ามาอ่านก็เข้าใจวัดพระธรรมกายและพระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์ผิดไปด้วย อีกทั้งบทความนี้หากนำขึ้นสู่ชั้นศาลก้ยังมีความผิดทั้งคดีแพ่งและอาญาในข้อหาใส่ความบุคคลอื่น

ข้าพเจ้าจึงหวังว่าท่านจะเข้าใจ และทำการลบบทความเท็จนี้ออกไปอย่างถาวร เพราในกฏของวิกิพีเดียก็ไม่สนับสนุนบทความที่เป็นเท็จเช่นกัน ซึ่งคุณเป็นอีดิทเตอร์ก็น่าจะทราบดี

จึงหวังในความเป็นธรรมและความสมบูรณ์ในหน้าที่ของท่านอย่างแท้จริง

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สมาชิกวิกีพีเดีย


 * Dear anonymous user. First of all, please sign in and use your signature when you post on a talk page. It's starting to annoy me that I don't know whom I've been talking to, whether you are User:Philothai whom you claimed to be, or an another anonymous user, or several different users.


 * About the article Wat Phra Dhammakaya and other related articles, several editors have already asked you to stop deleting without an explanation and you completely ignored them. The parts you repeatedly deleted had valid supporting references from media sources. You can't just remove it because it's something you don't like. Like I and other people have been saying so many times, you will have to discuss it in the article talk page. If you think you have sources supporting your argument, then show them. Lastly, please continue this discussion in the article talk page, not my talk page. --Melanochromis 14:43,

27 December 2006 (UTC)

เรียนดีดิทเตอร์ทั้งหลายที่เป็นคนไทย

ก่อนอื่นต้องชื่นชมในความพยายามทำหน้าที่ตรวจสอบบทความต่างๆในเวปวิกีพีเดียทุกวัน แต่ข้าพเจ้าก็ต้องขอให้ทุกท่านทบทวนการทำงานในหน้าที่ของท่านทั้งหลาย เพราะในบทความตอนท้ายของเรื่องนี้ เขียนขึ้นมาจากผู้ที่ประสงค์ร้ายต้องการสร้างความเข้าใจผิดต่อวัดพระธรรมกายให้กับมหาชน

ปัจจุบันนี้พระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์ ท่านก็ยังมีความเป็นพระอย่างถูกต้องตามกฏหมายไทยทุกประการ ชื่อของท่านก็เป็นนามพระราชทาน ในตำแหน่างพระราชาคณะ ที่พระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์ แม้ในช่วงหลายปีที่ผ่านมาจะมีคดีความเกี่ยวกับวัดพระธรรมกายเกิดขึ้น แต่หากทุกท่านติดตามตรวจสอบรายละเอียดต่างๆอย่างใกล้ชิดจะพบว่า กรณีธรรมกายเกิดจากบุบคลบางกลุ่มที่ไม่หวังดีกับวัดพระธรรมกาย กระทำการกลั่นแกล้งใส่ความ ซึ่งต่อมาทางวัดก็ใด้พึ่งกระบวนการศาลยุติธรรมในที่สุดศาลก็ตัดสินแล้วว่า สื่อหลายฉบับกระทำการใส่ความวัดพระธรรมกายจริง ดังข้อความขอขมาโทษที่ปรากฏในหนังสือพิมพ์ต่างๆ

อีกทั้งในปีนี้( ๒๕๔๙)ทางสำนักอัยการสุงสุดก็ใด้พิจารณายุติคดีทั้งหมดของพระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์ มีผลให้ท่านพ้นมลทิลทุกอย่างตามกฏหมาย และทางมหาเถรสมาคมก้ใด้ส่งผู้แทนมาถวายตำแหน่งเจ้าอาวาสคืนพระราชภาวนาวิสุทธิ์แล้ว

ในสังคมทุกสังคม หากผู้คนปฏิบัตตามกฏหมาย และไม่สร้างกฏหมู่อยู่เหนือกฏหมาย ไม่กลั่นแกล้วใส่ความกัน สังคมนั้นก็จะสงบสุข ซึ่งข้าพเจ้าเองก็หวังว่าอิดิทเตอร์ทุกท่านก็เป็นคนไทยที่ดีคนหนึ่ง ไม่น่าจะใช้หน้าที่กระทำการสนับสนุนให้บุคลลใดๆเขียนบทความใส่ร้ายผู้อื่น

ทั้งที่ข้าพเจ้าและหลายๆคนที่เข้ามาอ่านบทความนี้ เคยเรียนกร้องความเป็นธรรมมาแล้วหลายครั้ง แต่ก็ยังถูกเพิกเฉยจากพวกท่าน มิหนำซำพวกท่านเองกลับมีท่าทีส่งเสริมให้บุคคลบางคนเขียนข้อความเท็จใส่ร้ายผู้อื่น ซึ่งมันผิดวินัยและระเบียบการของทางเวปวิกิพีเดียอยู่แล้ว

ล่าสุดข้าพเจ้าเองในฐานะสมาชิกคนหนึ่งของเวปนี้ แม้จะเข้ามาแก้ใขบทความให้ถูกต้องตรงตามความเป็นจริง แต่ก้ยังถูกพวกท่านกลั่นแกล้งลบข้อความออกไป

ข้าพเจ้าจึงไม่เข้าใจในพฤติกรรมของพวกท่านเท่าไหร่ จึงทำให้พลอยคิดไปว่า สงสัยพวกท่านเองคงเป็นสมาชิกทีมงานที่ทำการโจมตีวัดพระธรรมกายนั่นเอง แต่อาศัยการแฝงตัวเข้ามาในรูปอิดิทเตอร์ กระทำการปรับเปลี่ยนควบคุม แก้ไข บทความต่างๆให้เป็ นไปในทิศทางที่ขบวนการทำลายธรรมกายต้องการ นั้นคือการทำลายภาพลักษณ์ของวัดให้เสียหาย เหตุที่ข้าพเจ้าคิดเช่นนี้ก็เกิดจากการติดตามดูพฤติกรรมต่างๆที่ผ่านมาของพวกท่านตลอดมา

แต่หากความเข้าใจของข้าพเจ้าคลาดเคลื่อนไปก็คงทำให้ท่านใด้รู้สึกไม่พอใจข้าพเจ้าแน่นอน ซึ่งท่านทั้งหลายคงจะใด้เข้าใจว่าหากมาใครมาเข้าใจเราผิด เราจะอึดอัดและไม่สบายใจยังไง ข้าพเจ้าและชาววัดพระธรรมกายก้เช่นกันยังเป้นมนุษย์ที่มีจิตใจเลือดเนื้อเหมือนพวกท่าน ย่อมรู้สึกไม่สบายใจเหมือนกันที่มีคนมาทำแบบนี้กับตน

ท้ายที่สุดข้าพเจ้ายังหวังในความบริสุทธิ์ใจและความสมบูรณ์ในหน้าที่ดิดิทเตอร์ของพวกท่าน ว่าจะไม่กระทำการสวนทางกับนโยบายที่ทางเวปแม่วิกิพีเดียประกาศไว้ นั่นคือ ไม่สนันสนุนการลงข้อความเท็จและมีผลกระทบต่อสิทธิอันชอบธรรมของผู้อื่นด้วย

ขอแสดงความนับถือ Philothai Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wat_Phra_Dhammakaya"


 * Philothai, there's no such thing as conspiracy against you. It's ridiculous to claim that there is such conspiracy specifically against you. Any good editor who happened to see legitimate contents removed would help revert it back just the same. Like I and other people have said, you can't delete contents just because you don't like it. If you have good sources for counterarguments, then use them, cite them, add them to the article. You spent much energy with your grievance and accusation in my talk page, why don't use it to actually improve the article instead. And please continue this discussion in the article talk page. There's no point for you to spam this message to everyone's talk page when we all can just discuss in the article page --Melanochromis 15:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Disasters
Hey, I saw you were also on the list of portal reviewers, and I would appreciate it if you could give me some input on Portal:Disasters at the portal's talk page. Thanks for any help! =)  Nish kid 64  22:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Philosophy Portal collaboration
Hi, The Philosophy Portal is a new portal improvement collaboration. Please offer your advice for getting it to featured portal status at its talk page. Regards, Rfrisbietalk 22:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: December 2006
--Melanochromis 23:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal Peer Review
Hey, Melanochromis! Check out Portal peer review! You may want to request Portal:Fish to be reviewed! —sd3141 5   (sign here)  17:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Thai language question for Siamese (cat)
This question is not related to your main work here, but I hope you don't mind my asking. The article Siamese (cat) states that the Thai name for this type of cat is "Wichien-maat". Is this correct? If so, how do you write it in Thai orthography? It's mentioned in the History section, but could possibly go in the intro instead. Thanks for any help you can provide! --Ginkgo 100 talk 17:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Ginkgo. The Thai name of this cat is วิเชียรมาศ. This can be written in English in many different ways due to the lack of standardized Thai romanisation system, so I think you can just go with the one that most people are familiar with. "Wichien-maat" sounds ok to me, although I'd rather write it "Wichienmaad" or "Wichienmard". --Melanochromis 23:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Ginkgo 100 talk 19:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: January 2007
--Melanochromis 04:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply
I responded to your comment on Talk:Fish/Selected picture/4. Salad Days 01:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: Febuary 2007
--Melanochromis 15:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Fish, Chicken
I strongly disagree with you, those disambiguation pages are quite long with mostly unimportant wiki articles.

Chicken and fish are two words thats really have two meanings, the species, and the muscle tissue we humans eat. (Unlike say Cow vs. Beef or Pig vs. Pork). Many articles which have a VERY similar popular page (that can often be arugued to be the main page) often link to that directly as well as the general disambuation page for things like "phishing" which clearly should be on a disambiguation page. Example, Russia. If there is no objection, I will revert you changes. Epson291 10:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Portal peer review
Hello, Melanochromis! Since it has been a month since you nominated the Fish portal for peer review, I hope you received good feedback on how the portal could be improved. If you would like, you could keep the portal listed at the portal peer review for more suggestions for improvement and ask the Wikipedians here for feedback. Also, if you think the portal is ready, you could nominate the portal for featured status. Either way, I hope you've received helpful reviews! Cheers,  S .D.   ¿п?  § 01:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. I think the portal itself is quite ready, but what's not ready is the people. I feel like the portal needs to have some readers and contributors before it goes though the featured nomination process. It's weird already that the portal has more reviewers than actual readers. --Melanochromis 21:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thailand
For some strange reason, the article is being repeatedly vandalized recently. Is there a chance for protection? I'm not sure if you're the one to ask :\ Suredeath 14:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: Image:2929 aquaimages.jpg
>Hi there. I saw your picture in the butterflyfish gallery but I don't think this one is a butterflyfish. It's     >an angelfish. --Melanochromis 07:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You are correct! I will fix that. Thanks for the head's-up.

--clark

calico
I was just carrying on the theme throughout the goldfish breeds. I do think it helps though to notify people of the taxonomical classification of any animal even if it be a breed. --DSWebb 21:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes I think a breed box would be much better. The cat and dog layouts are probably the best. I would happily do it and I have a good standards source, but I'm not so sure on the origins. --DSWebb 17:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Im going to go ahead with the breed boxes and leave the origins blank for someone else (possibly you?) to fill in - thanks. --DSWebb 17:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Fish larvae
Thanks for the message re fish larvae

I'm afraid I must disagree however.

"Fry" is a very anachronistic term for fish larvae, usually used for salmonid species.

I have recently done a scientific literature review and thesis on fish larvae, and I can assure you that larvae is the correct term for the initial life-stage of oviparous, teleost fish.

So I hope my addition to the Fish page has remained.

cheers

Codman 23:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Pramong Nomjai pictures
I still have a bunch of other photos to be processed and uploaded but none you asked: some malawi cichlids (may be crossbred :, discus, betta. Several photos don't have good focus. But there's always the next show: Pramong Nomklao in a few months. :) -- Lerdsuwa 08:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Catfish
Thanks, I appreciated your feedback on this. BotKung automatically reads in the interwiki links in Thai articles. If you don't mind, you could help by fixing interwiki links in Thai articles as well.

In this particular case, I fixed it already. Thanks again for your help. If you spot anything else, please let me know --Jutiphan | Talk  - 01:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Quiz
Greetings! Thanks for the prize. I would like to start tournament 2. Is that OK? I suggest that this time I will put the first question up but will not participate. It is more fun if everyone gets to win a prize! Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 19:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: April 2007
--Melanochromis 22:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

reference to intergeneric hybridization of common carp and goldfish
I added a link to a picture of a hybrid from a Tennessee DNR site. There are many references to such hybrids; they hybridize in the wild regularly, for some reason much more often in the NE USA than elsewhere. Hubbs, in his famous work on fish hybridization, often uses this wild cross as an example. Here are a couple of references that discuss this cross. I'm a newbie though and I'm having trouble with the reference feature, but I understand the link feature - thus I did it the way I did. If you would like to insert a reference correctly feel free.

Hubbs, C. L. 1955. Hybridization between fish species in nature. Systematic Zoology 4:1–20.

Hubbs, C. L. 1961. Isolating mechanisms in the speciation of fishes. Pages 5–25 in W.F. Blair, editor. Vertebrate Speciation. University of Texas Press, Austin, Texas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carptracker (talk • contribs) 23:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

M. altispinosus
I wasn't aware that pages could be renamed. I'm just reading the help on that now. Sorry for the duplication.

Mummymonkey 10:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:Fishing and WP:FISH
Hi there. Congrats for launching the WP:Fishing. I thought I would never see this proposal ever realized. Anyway, I think WP:FISH can be considered as another parent project of this one as it is a parent project of WP:AQF which covers the fishkeeping hobby. Seems like a similar scope. What do you think? --Melanochromis 07:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi there as well. Thank you very much for the appreciation. I think your right, it seems like a similar scope. I would be very much willing to work with you on this project. One question how do I redirect, I'm not sure whether 'redirect' is really the right term, WikiProject_Fishes to WP:Fishing. Again THANK YOU, Cheers, and more power! Bu b0y2007 07:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)talk
 * Hi there as well. Thank you very much for the appreciation. I think your right, it seems like a similar scope. I would be very much willing to work with you on this project. One question how do I redirect, I'm not sure whether 'redirect' is really the right term, WikiProject_Fishes to WP:Fishing. Again THANK YOU, Cheers, and more power! Bu b0y2007 07:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)talk


 * Thank you! Bu b0y2007 08:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)talk

Version 1.0 assesment
i was wondering if you could finish setting up the assesment bot for WikiProject Fishing. Im kinda busy and might not be on for another couple of days, so i would be great if you could get it set up. I made a mess of the A-class article category, and so that is up for speedy rename, but if you could finish the rest off, it would be greatly appreciated! themcman1 (help me with my sig)  16:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've never done it but I want to try. --Melanochromis 19:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I reckon i've got it all sorted now. --themcman1 (help me with my sig)  10:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The assesment appears to have gone wrong. I'm not sure whats wrong, though! themcman1 (help me with my sig)  15:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Portal redirects for deletion
Hi Gralo, several redirects to portals have again been re-nominated for deletion. These redirects were part of the mass nomination on March 17 that you voted against. I'd really appreciate it if you'd share your opinion and vote on this proposal. --Melanochromis 05:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. I've commented and also made a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Redirect that you might like to comment on. Gralo 18:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

fresh water fishes
I agree with your concerns. this may be a bit too broad to attract interest. i'm going to change the proposal to include north american fresh water fish as well (there aren't as many articles in that category that i would like)- thankyou Ryan shell 23:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: May 2007
--Melanochromis 20:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Cambodiaflag emblem map by Melanochromis.jpg)
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 * I have removed the tag. This image is not orphaned. It has been and is currently used by Cambodia Portal under fair use. --Melanochromis 00:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Thaiflag emblem map by Melanochromis.jpg
Hello, Melanochromis. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:Thaiflag emblem map by Melanochromis.jpg) was found at the following location: User:Melanochromis. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg, so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or    media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 09:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm removing the tag as this image is currently used by portal:thailand. I think there's an error with your bot as it can not detect uses of images by portals. --Melanochromis 08:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Cambodiaflag emblem map by Melanochromis.jpg)
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 * I'm removing the bot's tag on this image for the second time. This image is fair use and is not orphaned as it is currently used by portal:cambodia. I think there might be an error with your bot as it cannot detect uses if images by portals. --Melanochromis 08:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Cambodiaflag emblem map by Melanochromis.jpg
Hello, Melanochromis. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:Cambodiaflag emblem map by Melanochromis.jpg) was found at the following location: User:Melanochromis. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg, so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or    media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 07:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm also removing the tag of this image as this image is currently fair used by portal:cambodia. Like my comment above, I think there's an error with your bot as it can not detect uses of images by portals. --Melanochromis 08:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There are replies on the bot's talk page for you... the long and the short of it is that fair use is not allowed in portal space per our fair use policy, point number 9, which states that fair use can only be used in article space. There are more comments though on the bot's page, in reply to your query, so I suggest you go check them out :) ——  Eagle 101 Need help? 09:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

re: error with this bot? (Image:Cambodiaflag emblem map by Melanochromis.jpg)
that is not an error Fair use images are to only be used in the mainsapace. usage in the portal namespace violates our Fair Use policy. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 14:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Award

 * Thank you!! --Melanochromis 02:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair-use images
I didn't catch the removal of the images from the header on Portal:Thailand until it was too late, and now I can't remember what it looks like. But it was a mighty fine graphic element, from what I can recollect. Is there any chance the image can be re-created from public domain/Creative Commons sources? Let me know if I can help. — WiseKwai 17:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The image was a combination of the Thai map, the flag, and the emblem (the Thai royal garuda). You can see all these three images in the Thailand article. However, I think recreating that image will just get it deleted again. I tried to explain to the deleters but they insisted that the portal use of this image (particularly the garuda emblem) wasn't considered a fair use. Sadly, it seems like the same group of people have also deleted similar images from other portals too (although Portal:Japan and Portal:Malaysia still have their coat of arms). You're more than welcome to recreate a image for the Thai portal, but perhaps replacing the garuda with something else. Good luck! --Melanochromis 02:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I remember now. The garuda emblem has always been problematic because it's copyrighted. At one point, it was deleted from the Politics in Thailand template because of that. Somehow, it was allowed to be restored. Fair-use images aren't allowed outside the "main space", which for some reason doesn't include the "main page" and "portal space". I've never understood the reason for the distinctions. The rule has recently been applied firmly to the main page, so if you see a Featured Article of the Day about something like a movie or record album, the images chosen to illustrate that article are sometimes pretty stupid looking. The fair-use conundrum is a pain, and at some point I'd like to find out more about Thai law to find out if indeed the garuda is really copyrighted, or if it can be sourced from somewhere in the public domain. That also goes for other images from Thailand, particularly photos taken by the Royal Household Bureau and the governments. — WiseKwai 05:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)