User talk:Melesse/Archive 11

Delete
Hi again. Can you delete Image:GreenlakeShaker-crop.jpg? I created a free image of higher quality at Image:Shaker Heights Houses.jpg (commons), which is pretty much the exact same image. Thanks, Spencer  T♦C 00:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know...gotta wait for the city to do some cleanup on the lake. But for now, having a replaceable non-free image isn't good. I'll probably take a new picture when the algae is cleaned up. I have another photo, showing the other side...and it's filled. Thanks again, Spencer  T♦C 11:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Brotherhood of Man
Thank you for looking into the photo I'd put up of Brotherhood of Man and reducing the size as I didn't know how to. Someone pointed this out to me yesterday. I figured the picture was important due to the fact that it isn't realistically replaceable with a fans-own picture taken during the era that the group was successful (mid-late 70s). There is a fair-use picture I could use of the group from 2007, but doesn't seem really appropriate to the main body of the article.

Thanks for your help, but I'd be interested to hear what you think as per my explanation above - it's a portion of an album cover, but I'm not sure if this is good enough reason? Can you help with this, or should I just use the 2007 photo?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 14:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just put in another rationale in there. See what you think. If not good enough, I'll use the later photo, but as I say, not very appropriate to the article.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Just read it and I quote: "No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. Where possible, non-free content is transformed into free material instead of using a fair-use defense, or replaced with a freer alternative if one of acceptable quality is available; "acceptable quality" means a quality sufficient to serve the encyclopedic purpose. (As a quick test, before adding an image requiring a rationale, ask yourself: "Can this image be replaced by a free one that has the same effect?" and "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by text without using the image at all?" If the answer to either is yes, the image probably does not meet this criterion.)"

So basically, the free alternative doesn't have the same effect - at all. It gives a completely false sense of who the group were (the group as in the more recent picture are in their late 50s). Also, it doesn't "serve the same encyclopedic purpose". So reading that has only made me more sure. However, you've put a review date on it anyway - so we'll see what happens then. If it's deleted then it's deleted. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 23:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Baconpoet.gif
It's all very well making a demand on my talk page but I'm no lawyer, I haven't a clue what it is you're asking for, and don't have the time to spend hours researching it. Can you please point me to a sample image where the details you are asking for have been correctly filled in? Puzzle Master (talk) 16:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Tennierogers.jpeg
Did I enter the rationale incorrectly? Шизомби (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I wanted it to illustrate the book actually, otherwise I would have cropped down to just her photo. Шизомби (talk) 14:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Book covers appear to be acceptable on the author's page if Stephen King is any example. Шизомби (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you please advise me about the responses I am getting at Graphic_Lab/Image_workshop as it relates to your earlier comment.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Khadija Qalanjo
Hello,

No free equivalent image of Khadija Qalanjo can be found; I've tried long and hard to track one down, Googled, searched Somali forums, etc. but to no avail. Had there been any such thing, believe me, I only too happily would've contacted its owner asap for the rights. However, video performances are quite literally all that's left of Khadija because of the almost 20 year old civil war in Somalia which erased many a musician's entire press catalogue, hers included. I ask you to please search the net yourself for images of her. You won't be able to find any because there are none to be found. So please reconsider deleting this image, as it truly is the only kind of visual reference left of this great woman. Best Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 01:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello again. I've included a detailed non-free image use rationale for this image here. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 02:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've just added a link to the page which supports what I've been saying; namely, that since the Somali Civil War, there has been no copyright protection of any kind in Somalia. Musicians regularly have their work boot-legged as a result of this, so they can't earn a decent living from their art. It's pretty sad. Please have a look at the page as it now stands, and let me know what you think. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 00:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Descent of the Modernists, E. J. Pace, Christian Cartoons, 1922.jpg
Heya,

I saw you deleted Image:Descent of the Modernists, E. J. Pace, Christian Cartoons, 1922.jpg - thanks. :)

Would you able to copy the description and paste it into the Commons version, or send it to me so I can do that?

Thanks, Drum guy (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Image Reduce
Many Thanks! - NeutralHomer  T:C 20:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

RE:Kent Exiles
I'm in the process of making an article for the Kent Exiles, that's why I created the file. I haven't been able to use it yet but shouldn't be orphaned for long. Pafcool2 (talk) 20:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Again...
...for the correction on WTLR_Radio_Station_Shooting.jpg‎. I was adding the actual name of the newspaper article. Ooops! Thanks again... NeutralHomer T:C 22:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Burden of proof
Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the one who wants to delete an image, rather than the person who uploads an image and uses it in a way that is obviously fair use? Aldrich Hanssen (talk) 03:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Photograph of S.N.Bernstein
Hey,

could you please explain what was wrong with the picture of Sergei Bernstein, in the article about him? Is there really a copyright problem (which is strange, since he died 50 years ago), or was the problem only with the justification?

Thanks, Sasha

P.S. I guess the picture was from , according to the copyright note there, the owners of the site also believe that the image is in public domain.

—Preceding undated comment was added at 14:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hoping for a response this time
Let me get this straight: I get a notification regarding an image I uploaded which is being challenged on fair use grounds, I promptly follow the instructions and open a thread on the talk page to discuss my reasoning for why the image qualifies, no one responds to me for over a week, and then without any further ado, you delete the page in blatant disregard for the course of the discussion (or lack thereof), without so much as any effort to engage in it at all prior to deletion?

In short, I'm very concerned that proper procedure was not followed here, and I would greatly like to discuss the matter further with you in the hopes of averting the need for a deletion review. As I believe that I am an editor in good standing, I think that's only fair. Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 04:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's how it goes when things are nominated for speedy deletion. Image gets tagged, uploader gets notified, uploader may or may not start a discussion contesting it. Seven days later any admin may review the discussion (if any) and if they deem it not sufficient, then they may delete the image. No previous involvement necessary. If you want to start a deletion review, go ahead. Melesse (talk) 06:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Avrupali poster.jpg
Hey. I was about to create the article which the image is meant to go in, but decided to upload the image first. I guess I should've done it the other way around, right? Anyways, do I still have 7 days? Khoikhoi 01:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you have 7 days. And in the future, please do create the article first instead. Melesse (talk) 01:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Khoikhoi 01:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

UnionCarbideHQ
Image:UnionCarbideHQ.jpg is good enough I guess, its a crappier image, but is free.  MBisanz  talk 02:28, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletions of images
Image:Krishna Holding Mount Govardhan.jpg and Image:Prithu.jpg, where not in the same form on wikicommons, the imgs on wikipedia were brightened and/or cropped. Shouldn't these versions be uploaded on wikicommons, before deletion? Can this be done now or have i to do the work once again? --Redtigerxyz (talk) 06:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also the original upload details (when uploaded, who) were not transferred to wikicommons, though the  page there acknowledges the original to be from en.wikoipedia for imgs like Image:Nurjahan.jpg.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 06:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Krishna Holding Mount Govardhan - Crop.jpg, Image:Prithu - Crop.jpg. Those alterations are so minor. And with old public domain art, the uploader is not really relevant. Melesse (talk) 06:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the criop img.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Image deletions
Hey, Melesse. I thought I should let you know that all the hard work you do cleaning up CAT:ORFU isn't necessary - there at least three helpful adminbots that run 24/7, doing that thankless task. Otherwise, keep up the great work! east. 718 at 08:41, March 10, 2008

Deleting the large image of add-ons for the Microsoft Flight Simulator article defeats the purpose of the image, since the whole point was to show the differences between the sim with add-ons and the sim without, and that cannot be seen in the small image. Please try to think things through the next time you feel compelled to delete a high-resolution image. Copyright issues do not arise because there are at least half a dozen different content creators in the image, and all of them are actually recreating other content that may also be protected by image rights and copyright, and they cannot object without opening themselves to the same objection. It's not like some games where all of the on-screen content is a fictional creation coming from a single source (and even then, the concept of copyright is on unstable ground). Agateller (talk) 14:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing backlinks on I8 deletions
You recently deleted an image as an I8 – however, you also removed the links to the image, causing broken links such as here. I'm guessing this is because of the "delete backlinks" button in Twinkle, which IMO should be removed altogether (removing redlinked text can be just as disruptive) - it's usually a good idea to set the default to "no". – iride  scent  01:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

My images
Your deletion of my images because they are on Wikimedia Commons is taking them off articles. Both Image:Manny Acosta.jpg and Image:Manny Acosta2.jpg are on Wikimedia Commons and can still be seen on Manny Acosta, but the one you deleted, Image:Manny Acosta3.jpg cannot be seen. The same goes for other photos you've just deleted at Josh Anderson (baseball), Kevin Gregg and Jorge Cantu. What is going on?► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The examples you gave are showing fine for me. Have you cleared your browser cache? Melesse (talk) 04:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah the images don't show up.► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I even opened all the pages up on IE (which I never use) and they didn't show up in there either.► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok well I really don't know what the problem could be, they're showing for me. Melesse (talk) 04:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Appreciate the --seeing as how I deleted it on Commons, I should have been aware that the image isn't exactly available any more =P -- jonny - m t  15:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:VADM_Russ_Crane,_RAN.jpg
Hi, You've posted a "Replaceable fair use Image:VADM_Russ_Crane,_RAN.jpg" message on User talk:Jez Dog 14. That message says: "it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created". That statement is quite contrary to my experience of pictures of Russ Crane. Could I ask what has lead you to make that statement? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's alive and a public figure, meaning somebody could conceivably take a photo of him and release it under a free license. Melesse (talk) 09:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, they could. But that doesn't mean that they will, and as far as I can tell, they haven't.
 * So, from my point of less knowledge than you, it seems rather strange to remove a picture, (when no other exists), simply because someone might create one, and might release it under a free licence, and then someone might discovery it, and might load it into WP. I gather that I must be missing something?? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the non-free content policy, I suggest you read the section explaining how free content is the goal of the Wikimedia Foundation. Melesse (talk) 12:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Although not recently, I did read it once. My recollection was that it didn't address the situation I was trying to address at the time. Other than to say "Thou Shall Not", it doesn't really seem to address this situation particularly well either - one-size-fits-all types-of-policies rarely do. That's life I guess. Thanks for your patience and help. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for figuring out my commons duplicate image "NachalParan1.jpg" on the wadi and Negev pages. There is so much I don't know! Wilson44691 (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Alan Mcilwraith
Please could you have a look at the main image in Alan Mcilwraith as it is not working at the moment. Thanks. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This one? Works fine for me. Try pressing Ctrl+F5 on that page to clear your browser cache. Melesse (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, this was probably a caching issue as the image has been moved to Commons. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Source of Houston Tower Image
Okay, I found that the image was an image of a sketch done by the firm Emery Roth and Sons, though I have not the foggiest idea where the forum user found it, I can't seem to be able to find it anywhere else. The image was most definitely free as I just saved it off the site. I'll try asking him directly and see if that turns up anything. Fajubi (talk) 10:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay
Fine, I'll do what I can. Well, maybe now I'll have less problems with all this. Fajubi (talk) 10:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Houston Tower
Look, I respect what you do, but there was no reason you should have deleted that image of the Houston Tower. There were no issues with it whatsoever. User:Fajubi —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)