User talk:Melesse/Archive 45

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A p 3 rson ‽   23:52, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you help me with licensing?
I'm sure they would (Audyssey) be fine with me using they're image. I just couldn't find the right license. I put on a rationale for 10.2. Daniel Christensen (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not just you using the image, it's Wikipedia and any people that go to that article. If you're sure the author would be fine with that, then I suggest you write to the image creator and ask them to release it under an appropriate license. See this page for more information. Melesse (talk) 02:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

unsigned comment added by Billy Lake04:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC) (talk • contribs)

I got permission, but how do I "prove" it
I sent an email to audioholics and they sent me a reply within 10 minutes, saying it was fine.

Here is the email:

It's fine for use in Wiki. Thanks for asking. -- Clint DeBoer Editor-in-Chief www.Audioholics.com

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On Apr 22, 2010, at 8:51 PM, info@audioholics.com wrote:

A visitor, Daniel Christensen, has posted a message via the contact form. The subject of the message is: 10.2 surround photo permission. Here's the message:

Hi I was seeking permission for use of the photo found on your article here on Tomlinson Holman's 10.2 surround sound system for Wikipedia. The article on wikipedia is called 10.2. I am RCA Dimensia on the Audioholics forum and User:Daniel Christensen on Wikipedia.

Thank you, Daniel Christensen --

To reach Daniel Christensen, send email to: qazrfv71@yahoo.com.
 * Hey, technically, isn't it 2D art? Template:Non-free 2D art Daniel Christensen (talk) 01:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Have him send an email to the OTRS system giving permission. What he said in that email isn't exactly sufficient. He has to release it under a free license, meaning Wikipedia can use it, and anybody that uses Wikipedia can also use it, including for commercial use. See this page for more information. Melesse (talk) 06:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Diana Vickers - Songs from the Tainted Cherry Tree.jpg
Hi there, i see you have tagged File:Diana Vickers - Songs from the Tainted Cherry Tree.jpg for deletion. I just a quick question/concern regarding the tag. It states the file is currently not being used, but the file is actually being used in an article but im not sure if it counts or not so i was wondering if you could answer that for me. The article is Article Incubator/Songs From The Tainted Cherry Tree, i have used it in this article because i am just starting the article while i am waiting for the undeletion of the article Songs From The Tainted Cherry Tree which is being discussed here : Deletion review/Log/2010 April 21

Please reply. Thank you :) (CK...... (talk) 07:05, 23 April 2010 (UTC))

It was used in my drafting of the article (see my Sandbox). --Wiki-World is in town! (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's really up to whoever reviews the file on the day it's due to be deleted whether to keep it a little longer for the article to be created as opposed to being under construction in userspace. In the future, I suggest you hold off on uploading unfree images until the article is created, and use a placeholder image when you're building the article in your userspace. Melesse (talk) 21:11, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, Thank You :) (CK...... (talk) 21:31, 23 April 2010 (UTC))

Images
Hi, I would very much like to know why my photos were deleted. They were properly licensed to the Wikipedia that I personally took. --AllyUnion (talk) 14:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know which photos you're referring to, but after a brief glance at your contributions I would guess it's because they're on Commons? Melesse (talk) 06:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Killing the Future
My photo on the Aftermath page was removed. I assumed I provided the proper copyright/trademark info. I may not only the photographer of the image, but also the manager and record label owner who Aftermath is signed to. --Zoident —Preceding undated comment added 04:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC).
 * Non-free images need a rationale in addition to source and licensing. But since you are the photographer and the band manager, may I suggest you release a photo of the band under a free license instead? Melesse (talk) 10:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of "File:Firemans chair knot in use.svg"?
Hello there. I have been unable to locate the discussion/rationale for the deletion of File:Firemans chair knot in use.svg so I'm commenting here. It was a derivative work of the properly licensed PNG version of the same image. The PNG page was properly linked to the (now deleted) SVG version and would have shown up on the "what links here" on the deleted image's page. I don't understand why deleting the derivative image was preferable to updating its licensing info from the original work? Perhaps I am missing something. Thanks. --Dfred (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The creator of the derivative work has to establish the license, some other person can't just assume that the creator would want to use the same license as the original. Melesse (talk) 05:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

File:Wielder of Words.jpg no longer an orphan.
Hi, Melesse. The image File:Wielder of Words.jpg was deleted last month, since it was an orphan image. The original article I authored was deleted at the subject's and my request, which left the image orphaned. I would now like to add the image to another article I wrote and recently expanded, Donna J. Stone. As you may notice from the article's discussion page and my talk page, any potential copyright issues with the article have been resolved. The image is of a book of poetry, authored by the late Donna J. Stone and edited by her son, Dr. Christopher Stone, who holds the copyright to the book. In the rationale for using the image in its original article (which was about Dr. Stone), which is no longer on the site but I would think you have access to, I included permission from Dr. Stone to use the image. (The image is widely available anyway.) So could you tell me if and how I can add the image to Ms. Stone's article? Thanks a lot! Mary Ann --Mah Jong (talk) 05:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you got permission from the copyright holder, I would suggest you forward that message to the OTRS system so that it's using a free license rather than a fair use one (because fair use pictures of books in authors' articles are typically considered to be replaceable fair use and are subsequently deleted). Melesse (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Dr. Stone would send an email to OTRS granting permission to use the image. The book cover image has been published on the internet and elsewhere several times. I can email him about a free license, but I'm not sure he'd agree to that. Fair Use seems to me to be applicable, since the book has been out of print for several years and copies are pretty rare. I'm not a copyright expert or anything, but I'm a literary historian and can safely say that the image is not readily replaceable. As he wrote me regarding his mother's picture (which, of course, is not replaceble since she died and it was apparently the only picture she allowed to be used), that photo has been reproduced hundreds if not thousands of times, before and after Al Gore invented tne internet. :) He freely gives permission, but under Fair Use because, to quote, "I don't want someone drawing a moustache on my mother." I'm sure the book cover image hasn't been reproduced nearly as many times as Ms. Stone's picture, and who draws facial hair on book covers? But I suspect he'll want to stick to Fair Use, which didn't seem to be a problem at the time. So, if Dr. Stone writes a permission email to OTRS, and includes whatever text you think would keep it from getting deleted (short of using a free license), would I be able to post the image on Ms. Stone's article with at least reasonable likelihood that it woudn't be deleted in the future (as long as it's not orphaned again)? Thanks again for reading my long message! --Mah Jong (talk) 08:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, Wikipedia doesn't require permission to use fair use images, they just want a good rationale. For the case of a photo of Donna J Stone, that's no problem since she's deceased. In the case of her books, it's trickier. One of the rules of fair use images is that the image will aid in a reader's understanding of the subject, so unless you're referencing the design of the cover or something that really requires a visual aid, that's not the case, and the book cover would just be decorative and therefore not allowed. Melesse (talk) 21:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I understand. No, the book image is not essential to the article. I just wanted to add it, to make the article more visually complete. But, as you say, I suppose it could be considered decorative -- it's not necessary to the article, so I'll just leave it out. If I end up writing an article about the book itself, then it would be more salient and I'll write you back. Thanks for your patience and information. I'm slowly becoming more familiar with Wikipedia and copyright policies. Have a good week!  --Mah Jong (talk) 03:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

File:TMSFLogo.png‎ no longer an orphan.
Sorry, I first uploaded the image then finished off the page. I've saved the page right now... it's now associated with the TMSF page.

Best Regards Mtyilmaz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtyilmaz (talk • contribs) 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:DVW_cover.png
As noted in the dispute template I added (and I'm finding this whole communication-solely-by-template thing fairly ridiculous), this makes no sense to me; how is it possible for a free version of a copyrighted book cover to be created? &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 11:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * For an article on the book itself, you're correct, it would be irreplaceable and fall under fair use, but only in an article about the book. The book could be adequately discussed in prose in the context of articles about its author and its subject. Melesse (talk) 01:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hunh. Okay.  I guess this is some weird Wikipedia usage of "replaceable" that implies involved value judgments concerning, not whether the media can actually be replaced, but whether it is in some way required by the article, using rotely applied rules.  Wonderful. &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have stubbed out Designing Virtual Worlds. Does that help? &mdash;chaos5023 (talk) 02:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Help
Thanks for the help with File:Grand Nat Curling Logo.jpg, File:MoPac Curling Assn Logo.jpg, File:Illinois Curling Logo.jpg, and File:Great Lakes Curling Logo.jpg. I appreciate it. I will use your changes as a reference for uploading a few more similar source and use images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WaxonWaxov (talk • contribs) 12:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Undelete
Hello,

Can you kindly undelete File:MyBB_Logo.png which was speedy deleted a while ago? The article MyBB is recreated and the logo file can be undeleted and used under the same fair use rational.

Thanks in advance, huji— TALK 13:34, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for File:Triangle-gold.svg
An editor has asked for a of File:Triangle-gold.svg. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 13:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned file notice on my talk page
Thank you for the notice. Yesterday, I uploaded the picture that will be linked to a new article that has not gone "live" yet. I was reviewing the process for submitting the new article for review prior to having it go "live" last night, and ran out of time. I am submitting the article for review, today. Am I correct in my understanding that, at that point, the picture file will no longer be orphaned? If I run into any problems can I ask you for help? Doc2234 (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's correct, once the article goes "live" you can remove the notice (or if you forget, a bot will eventually do it). In the future, may I suggest that you hold off on uploading unfree images until the article is created, and use a placeholder image when you're building the article in your userspace. Melesse (talk) 20:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice. I have input the proposed page into Articles for Creation, for review prior to going "live". There is a backlog. If my proposed article, "Chicanery (album)" is in the backlog too long, could that be a problem from the standpoint of the orphaned file? Can I get someone to review it more quickly so that there will be no potential orphan problem? Doc2234 (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I deal exclusively with images, so I don't know. Try asking at the Articles for Creation talk page. Melesse (talk) 04:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The Chicanery (album) article has been reviewed in Articles for Creation. It has been put on Hold with the comment that a band page should exist prior to the album page. The reviewer did not cite any problems with the submitted album article, itself. I have been working on the band article, however, it has been more time consuming than the album article, and I finished the album article first. If the issues concerning the album article cannot be resolved quickly and we go beyond the seven day limit for my file that you flagged as orphaned, could you please help me retrieve it at that point? I do not have experience in that area. Doc2234 (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Life of Riley screen shot
I think I'm going to have to give up on this and any future screen shots. The wikipedia copyright and tags system is a complete maze for anything that is not obvious. I have given what information I can and tried a fair use rationale for what is nothing more than an image of two people but it is insufficient.(Cyberia3 (talk) 11:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

Non Replaceable
You tagged one of my images indicating that I indicated it was "non replaceable". I looked at some examples from the Image use policy page. I'm still confused. I scanned the cover of an out-of-print book. What should I have indicated for "Non Replaceable" in this case? The book is rare and hard to find, but I have one. Thanks for your help. AlfredoJahn (talk) 13:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Non-free pictures of books in articles about the author are considered replaceable, unless you're specifically citing the style of the cover or something like that which requires a visual aid. Melesse (talk) 04:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Creating a Category
Hi Melesse. I wondered if you can help me. I would like there to be a category 'British jazz albums', but I dont know how to create it. It is something I am interested in and if such a category existed I would populate it. Thanks. Nostalgic34 (talk) 08:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I just went to look at the proper naming convention for such a category and it would be Category:Jazz albums by British artists. You can click through that link to make a new page and write a short description if you feel that's necessary (most categories related to albums don't have one because the category name itself is descriptive enough) and place it in the appropriate parent categories of Category:Jazz albums by nationality and Category:British albums by genre. You can learn how to do that, and how to populate the category at this page. Melesse (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Nostalgic34 (talk) 13:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Please check this file for me
Hi, please check File:Charlotte Curling Logo.jpg and make sure I sourced it properly. It is a logo for a non-profit corp that I, as an officer of the corp, created. Thanks. --WaxonWaxov (talk) 13:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's correct. Melesse (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Typo
File:Shady_Records_Logo_.png should probably be renamed as File:Shady_Records_logo.png. It might be a good idea to check already uploaded files for typos (unless of course it's deliberate, in which case never mind). mechamind 9  0  23:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Orphaned non-free media (File:Dorothy_Ellicott.jpg)
Hi Melesse, as the file page clearly stated, the picture was tied to an ongoing article (being worked in the my personal space). The article has gone live and your warning is therefore not needed any more. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 12:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)