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This is the name of the article https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/three-6-mafia-dj-paul-russia-1161400/

July 2022
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Seems like we're witnessing the gentrification of phonk right in front of our eyes yall never get tired of writing out black Americans from musical history? Memphisphonk (talk) 23:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are serious and not trolling ("yall" and overall tone of your message may suggest trolling), then go find reliable sources and then go ahead and write that "drift phonk" originated from the "black American" community and not Russia. Otherwise, your edits are vandalism. Also bear in mind that some provided sources already claim that drift phonk originated in Russia, so you won't be able to simply remove that even if you ever find a conflicting source, because Wikipedia reiterates sources and doesn't try to "establish truth" 178.121.20.184 (talk) 07:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also using gentrification talking about Russia may suggest either inattentive reading from you or deliberate trolling, again. "Gentrification" is an American issue, conflating Russian drift phonk and "black American" community via the use of "gentrification" suggests you are not serious 178.121.20.184 (talk) 07:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC) gentrification is not an American thing only, when black Americans came up with rock n roll and then the British invasion happened they literally pushed them out of the genre and now there's barely any black rockers even tho the genre was created by them, also I literally provided a rolling stones magazine link where are the major drift phonk artists are mentioned and their inspiration from three six mafia is mentioned how is that not source? Yall literally used random Russian articles as source but rolling stones is somehow not good enough now? He’s not making this mistake a second time. In the last few years, a group of Russian producers, including Kaito Shoma, Pharmacist, and Lxst Cxntury, have been crafting singles that are heavily indebted to vintage DJ Paul productions, embedding snippets of classic Memphis tracks deep in instrumentals that roll like army tanks, slow and imperious. As these songs have started to amass millions of streams, DJ Paul is seeking out these young artists halfway across the world, partnering up to help them officially release music that relies on previously uncleared samples and working on new tunes together. Dj Paul is literally one of the people songs that I mentioned as an inspiration for drift phonk and this article confirms it, all the Russians that are mentioned are the people that do drift phonk.“It sounds like my childhood stuff,” DJ Paul says of the music being made by his young Russian disciples. “It reminds me of when I was a teenager in high school creating all those sounds.” the label that has distributed some of DJ Paul’s solo singles.

Producers “sometimes have the vocals so distorted and filtered you can’t really hear what the person’s saying,” Blatchley continues. “But you can hear the Memphis cadence; it’s like another instrument they use.”  That buzz is likely to grow further since DJ Paul has gotten involved. While he doesn’t use the label “phonk” — “for us it’s just Mafia music, Memphis music” — he’s planning to record new songs with Lxst Century and is in conversations with Shoma about collaborating as well.

DJ Paul is also finally ready to visit Russia. “I hope the end result of this,” he says, “is being able to go over and perform some of these records with the guys.”
 * Ok so hear me out. Russia has no business in Western music, that's what I'm trying to say. There's no EMI and no big producers pushing the sound back to America (like it is in the case of Britain) trying to "push African Americans out" from the genre. Simple as that, phonk was never African American music, at least not since SmokeGhostPurpp moved on from phonk.
 * DJ Paul is Memphis rap, Memphis rap is the foundation of phonk, but phonk is a progression further away from Memphis rap. To reiterate, phonk =/= Memphis rap. Just go and listen to what modern phonk sounds like. There are even numerous subgenres of phonk which don't sound like Memphis rap anymore at all. Google "phonk jungle" and "phonk house" to hear what I am talking about. For the more traditional subgenres it's the same thing, and same thing is true about drift phonk. There are too many peculiar details in the history of phonk in Russia that are simply disconnected from T6M roots and Memphis rap, starting from phonk memes, dedinsayd subculture, the so called audio kolkhozing of cars and related bassboosting of tracks to sound better on a kolkhozed stereo, up to the point of incredible dB overdrive. Phonk in Russia when through all that, from memes to kolkhozing to what else. It started as an underground fashion but now it's the sound of choice for any "suetolog". You in the West for some reason think that "suetologs"/"gopniks" are listening to hardbass, but that's a grave misconception. No gopnik listens to hardbass in modern Russia, but every one would know about phonk. Just saying, two days ago on my way to grocery I walked past a group of "gopnik" teens, who blasted phonk from their phone casually. Listen, you don't speak Russian, I do, and trust me, you haven't seen hordes of phonk enthusiasts discussing phonk in Russian on sites like vk and TikTok and what else. What I am trying to say is, none of thes enthusiasts cares about Three 6 Mafia anymore, even to the slightest. Phonk in Russia became a soundtrack to "sueta" lifestyle, a grass-roots drifting/gopnik subculture. All they care about is that sounds they hear are hard and cool enough. Granted, there will be Mafia in their playlists, but they don't care about gentrification. They only about what's "kachaet" ("blasting"). Many of them don't even know about the history of phonk, about Memphis and things like that. They mostly care about their immediate circle back in Russia and care about looking cool to their said immediate circle. The exposure of drift phonk to the world happened not because they decided to gentrify anything (it's Russia, a different world!), but because they shared their drifting phonk videos to each other on TikTok and seeked popularity. More than that, absolute most of them don't speak English and never communicate with anyone from abroad (nor they want to).
 * To say, even Doomshop Records back in America, who where among phonk (but not drift phonk) pioneers never tried "to push African Americans from" the genre. I don't even know whether they are not or they are African Americans themselves. Thing is, they NEVER tried to represent their music as something original and their phonk was always clear and explicit hommage to Memphis rap from the start. Drift phonk is continuation of THAT phonk from the mid-2010s, and even at the beginning Doomshop were heavily working with Russian producers, because phonk was still underground (no sueta) but was deemed cool by a community in Russia back then in the 2010s. You just don't know, there are internet communities in Russia with literal millions (!) of subscribers posting (among other things) new Russian phonk releases almost daily. And everyone in the comments would then immediately recognize phonk and discuss phonk and whether it's good or not. Any youth in Russia would probably already have formed their opinion on phonk. Ask random American or African American what phonk is, he'll shrug, cause phonk is absolutely at negligible level of popularity in the United States.
 * So you are making it a race thing out of blue. And I'll reiterate again: Russia is not a part of Western world and is absolutely not connected to the "racial reality" (white people / black people) in the West. Laughable! People in Russia don't care about your racial idpol. And trust me, when DJ Paul finally visits Russia, there will be at most few hundreds of intelligentsia hip-hop fans at his show, and zero suetologi/gopniks, because suetologi and gopniks don't care about the importance of the said show and won't show up. 178.121.20.184 (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2022 (UTC)I'm actually amused by what you wrote because it's completely false, first of all in my original edit I stated that the drift phonk sound with the heavy cowbells ect is not new and the the Russians artists are directly influenced from the tracks that I mentioned and the article that I sent back this up, you're talking about the "the culture" that they created around the sound but that don't matter what I'm talking about is the sound, the sound of drift phonk is just a new take on songs like DJ Paul talk yo ass off or tommy Wright meet yo maker, and you're trying to erase the originators out of history shame on you and me and and the black American community definitely won't let you guys take credit for phonk and drift phonk and erase true history. You think mentioning the fact that Russians don't care about dj Paul or listen to him erase the fact that the sound that they're listening to is directly inspired by him and other Memphis DJs...literally go listen to Pharmacist northmemphis (this Russian guy actually gives credit to Memphis) it sounds no different from talk yo ass off by dj Paul. My point was that these Russians drift artists are directly influenced by these old Memphis rap songs and it's true and I proved it ,they never tried to hide or deny it only ignorant fans like you so again why was my edit removed when it's backed up by actual source? And you mentioned house phonk and jungle phonk, house music was created by black Americans and jungle music was created by Jamaicans immigrants in England. Basically your argument was that Russians fans are uneducated on the history of the music they listen to, so somehow that erase the roots and the influence of black Americans on the music that they listen to? That's actually crazy and it doesn't even matter this is Wikipedia we give information on things, my information was that the drift phonk sound is directly influenced from Memphis DJs like Dj Paul and the article that I sent backed it up and your reply was that Russians fans don't care about him or other Memphis DJs so somehow what I said was false? Russians fans may not care but the Russians artists care and study the Memphis sound that's why they're literally working with DJ Paul like the article proved.I literally pointed out what inspired the sound, the influence and the origins so again why was my edit removed?


 * All I am saying is that when some culture (in this case, Memphis rap) is removed from its roots, and is planted elsewhere and in a different time frame, a new culture gets created. All the time and everywhere. Modern phonk from Russia (and Brazil and USA too) is too faraway removed from Memphis rap to be considered Memphis rap anymore. Memphis rap long since moved on, got ways parted with phonk, and now it sounds akin to the trap sound made by Young Dolph and Key Glock and whom else (that's what they currently call Memphis sound, T6M is distant history). All what is left from original Memphis rap in modern phonk is cowbells, a specific slapping snare, and a filtered triplet rapping. The latter has a completely different role in modern phonk: in Memphis rap it was just rap badly recorded on a cheap microphone, but in phonk these filtered triplet rap samples have purpose of rhythmic support and none else (think of it like that: triplet line in modern phonk is nithing else but yet additional percussive line like hi-hats, they even rap on top of these triplet rap samples in phonk at times). Stop being so hurt about it and enjoy the sound if you do. No one cares about black, white whatever musicians anymore, it's not the 80s United States, it's the 2020s world. Get out of that idpol mindset. Doesn't matter where house and jungle originated, house has its very own grass-roots subgenres in Russia (dance shanson, hardbass, trash electro), jungle and dnb too (technoid and psystep). Arguing that something originally appeared elsewhere gets you back to the point that one can argue that Memphis rap appeared in Japan because they were constrained within the framework of Japanese-made drum machines and that jungle appeared in Europe in the 19th century, because the jungle - dub - reggae - ska - rhythm-and-blues - blues - European guitar lineage ends in Europe (you may actually go even further if you want to act childish). Those Memphis gentrifiers, how dared they use equipment from Japan, should've built their own themselves. Joke. Instead going full idpol, appreciate the fact that the folks liked the sound of T6M so much so they kept its echo going 20 years after it stopped. 178.121.20.184 (talk) 19:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * By the way, suetologiya wasn't created or is not centered around phonk, it is just that phonk is their current preference. They also listen to modern shanson, Brazilian bass, padik rap, hookah rap and anything else too. Phonk is simply and arguably the most popular among their preferences at the moment. 178.121.36.99 (talk) 19:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And I am not defending suetologiya, it's a gopnik subculture after all with all the usual gopnik attributes attached. It's just what it is. 178.121.36.99 (talk) 19:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC) And what you're saying is irrelevant to my original edit, we're not talking about the culture surrounded around the sound of "drift phonk" we're talking about the actual sound, I pointed out where these Russians artists directly got inspiration for the sound and you people removed it even after I provided source. Also you're a straight liar if you listen to Northmemphis by pharmacist and tell me it doesn't sound like Tommy Wright III Murda In Da 1st Degree or tommy Wright meet yo maker just bass boosted. Do you think I'm stupid? I know Memphis rap moved on from that old sound they had again that's not the point... Lol you really said the style Memphis did had no purpose, you realize that the fact that it was badly recorded is literally why nowadays the vocals in drift phonk can barely be heard? It's apart of the charm a Lofi homemade sound. And also I see you trying to rewrite history again, America made it's own drum machines and Japan made their own and they were influenced by the American drum machines. Also that's another damn lie the jungle sound comes from Jamaica and it's African drums ryhtmits also blues comes solely from African Americans and instruments like the Banjo came with the African slaves when they were captured. Guitar appeared only in the 15th century in Spain and cannot be traced back further than this, whereas Banjo came with the African slaves when they were captured and therefore it is not known when exactly it was made. Spain was invaded by Moors from Africa and they brought alone their cultures and creations to Spain and it is funny that many things you find in Africa can also be found in Spain and Rome, where they had contact with Moors and Ethiopians back in times. but go ahead and keep spreading your lies to erase the accomplishment of my people.
 * Well, you are wrong when you think that everything originated in Africa. In music, I'd probably give Africa credit for call-and-response only, saying that off the top of my head, but I might be even wrong here.. But have fun living in illusions, I am not spending my time arguing about that. I am leaving that idpol black-white thing to Americans, that's your own infighting, you are talking to an outsider.
 * The thing about your article is that it explicitly states that Russian drift phonk is different. Like, literally in the text. They chose a not-so-well representative examples (even though they are all different from original Memphis mastering-wise, especially Last Century's track; also, again, read what they wrote: "Producers “sometimes have the vocals so distorted and filtered you can’t really hear what the person’s saying,” Blatchley continues. “But you can hear the Memphis cadence; it’s like another instrument they use.”"), and even though to a commoner's ear they may sound exactly like Memphis rap, they really don't, and the authors captured the idea quite correctly. I could speculate that they chose the most-streamed tracks in drift phonk, which, by accident, sound more reminiscent of Memphis rap, but at the same time the authors of that article were aware of the overall scene which sounds more different and variable in general, so they put that "different" bit in text. I am simply explaining to you that should you have known Russian and should you have spent any time around their phonk releases listening to them, you would immediately backtrack your argument in its entirety. Google translate is your friend, do your research for yourself (not for Wikipedia, here in Wikipedia no original research is allowed) and realize that you are wrong. Don't cherrypick, don't do shallow research, but research profoundly. What DJ Paul claims about creating phonk would be half-truth at best and the article points that out: he's chasing money he could make from phonk releases, since they use uncleared samples from his tracks. But even he himself only uses "reminds me of" and "remember creating those sounds" (samples), never claims being pioneer of phonk. And he's probably correct: since the beginning in Russia in the mid-2010s, Tommy Wright and more obscure Memphis/horrorcore rappers held more weight among phonk producers, while sampling T6M was deemed too obvious and low effort. By the way, he's getting royalties from cleared samples so I guess the only unsatisfied person here is you. 178.121.36.99 (talk) 22:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

You can't be playing that "I'm an outsider" "that's America race issues" rethoric when you're literally making American based music, if you want to stay out of all that make Slavic music sounds like a good idea no? Lol The fact that we can't really hear well the vocals used is directly influenced by the lofi homemade sound of Memphis old tapes, sometimes it was hard to hear the vocals well but once groups 36 stepped up in mixing and became more popular that sound went away but people still prefer how the old tapes sound that's why they're trying to replicate it. Again what you said about DJ Paul chasing money and all that is your opinion it's irrelevant to my original edit, you literally proved my point by saying that the most streamed drift phonk songs sound like old Memphis songs. I never said Memphis rappers invented phonk, spaceghostpurrp said it himself that phonk is a REVIVAL of Memphis rap, it's a NEW take on it... Phonk is a Subgenre of Memphis rap and drift phonk too, drift phonk is literally known and listened to for it's heavy cowbells, that literally directly comes from old Memphis beats,the artists never denied the Memphis influence and inspiration from drift phonk but here you are doing it for them. Did you actually listen to any of the songs I mentioned? It's crazy that after hearing that you're still denying the direct influence. And I don't give a flying damn about Russia or learning Russian, you don't see anyone black trying to recreate Slavic music lol it's the other way around, yall need to study us because yall take from us. Again why was my original edit was removed when you literally admitted that the most streamed drift phonk songs take direct inspiration from people like Tommy Wright, skinnykingpimp, and 36? The first drift songs too literally just sound like Tommy Wright meet yo maker but bass boosted so why was my original edit removed? Oh and also here's the proof that drift phonk started in America Slim guerilla x Almighty - set the play that came out in 2017 I'm sure I can find beats like that from earlier in the spaceghostpurrp Era too, there's a bunch of Russians in the comments because that's what they were listening to, then they started making it themselves, Playaphonk literally used this beat in 2020. He just bass boosted it and distorted it a bit, so original right? And the heavy bass thing isn't original either you can hear that sound in talk yo ass off by dj Paul.
 * Drift phonk is absolutely Russian music, because it originated there, so, in a commonly perfect sense it is Slavic music - it's originated in Russia, it's being made in Russia, it's enjoyed by people in Russia. As to your sad talk about "America" - I would suggest you to educate yourself, because your "America this America that" talk only makes you look like you have issues with something. World works this way: something gets planted elsewhere and takes root and propagates there. No exceptions. Sad American rules about "gentrification, appropriation" and whatever else nonsense don't apply anywhere outside sad people in America who'd been indoctrinated to think within that framework.
 * If you really want to know what "drift phonk" is, go to SoundCloud and search by the "drift phonk" tag there, thus immensively expanding your intuitive knowledge of the subject (pro hint: this link will do that for you: https://soundcloud.com/tags/drift%20phonk)
 * You have started going rounds in your argument, so I strongly suggest, for the future reference for you: if you still have questions about the rolling-stones article, about phonk or about drift phonk then go and re-read the said article, re-read my commentary, and don't waste people's time with repeated arguments. Read this: Repetition in Argumentation
 * As to what concerns the current situation:
 * Your edits won't be returned to Wikipedia. They constitute WP:OR
 * Your listening comprehension of the said 3 tracks is not a WP:RS
 * You insist and try to misinterpret explicit source (rolling-stones article) and that may suggest you are not here to build encyclopedia: WP:NOTHERE
 * You may be penalized if you decide to reinstate your edits.
 * Regards --               178.121.36.99 (talk) 15:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC) There's nothing Russian about drift phonk, it's like kpop outsiders making American music you can try to steal culture all you want but it will never be yours and me and other black Americans are already denouncing this, we already are on reddit and we'll all come to edit this page if a war is what you want. You literally didn't address none of my my arguments, I showed you multiple proofs, multiples songs and multiples drift phonk songs to prove my point and you just ignored it because you know I'm right. There's nothing Slavic about drift phonk or phonk, none of the elements they're using in the music have anything Slavic to them this is really a sad attempt at cultural appropriation and black people won't let this slide. I proved to you how it didn't originate there and how there's nothing original about what they're doing, I guess taking old beats and distorting them and bass boosting them is creating a new genre lol that's really mediocre."something gets planted elsewhere and takes root" you literally debunked your own argument... You just proved it didn't start in Russia lol. The articles literally says they're directly influenced by them but you can try to flip it all you want, you don't have more power than me here, everyone can edit everything so your sad attempts at authority don't work. You're just another European trying to push the narrative that race issues and cultural appropriation is an American problem only when it literally started in Europe, white Americans got it from yall lol they didn't come up with it. You can't even direct me to a specific song you just sent a Playlist lol because you know I'm right, nothing was misinterpreted Russians artists are obsessed with Memphis rappers just like the article said.