User talk:Meneerke bloem/Archive 3

Der Mondabend
Hi! Thanks for your note. I hope I didn't jump in too quickly - and the changes were only small ones.


 * For a general comment, just to be aware - in the translation of the text of the poem from German to English (which I think is very good as it is now), there's a slight translation difficulty between singular and plural, as follows:
 * First, for 'Der Himmel', in German: In English, the word 'Heaven' is used without 'the', and contains the idea of 'Heaven where God dwells', the realm of the divine. The plural form has the article - ' the heavens' - and usually only means 'the sky' or 'the firmament', and especially the night sky with the stars. 'The heaven' is not a normal expression in English. So you could write, 'The heavens laugh' in verse 1, and 'The heavens are fair and noble' in verse 4. In German, the same word serves both meanings, but in English the use of singular or plural forms differentiates one meaning from the other.
 * Second, for 'Das Auge', in German: I think you are right to put this in the plural in English. English does have the same poetic usage (singular for plural) in the 17th century - Herrick, for instance, says 'Stay but till my Julia close her life-begetting eye' (meaning both eyes) in To Daisies, not to shut so soon - but the repetition in Der Mondabend (verse 2 and verse 4), and particularly the importance of the final line, would put an unfortunate emphasis on the idea of only one eye. So (after all this explanation) my advice is to keep 'the eyes' in the plural - as you now have them.

It's a nice article - thankyou, and best wishes. Eebahgum (talk) 14:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I have provisionally made the alterations to 'The heavens'. It's slightly tricky because this poem plays upon the dual meaning of 'Der Himmel', just as it plays with the sphere of heaven magically transmuted into the orb of Sylli's eye. If you prefer something else, please change it as you like. Eebahgum (talk) 15:02, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Writing week Brussels
Dear Meneerke bloem,

since you are from Belgium, I thought you might be interested in the Writing week Brussels that is going on right now.

Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 10:38, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Easter cantata
I remember that you have access to the free scores. They have a strange title. When the cantata was published "Todesbanden" (Bachgesellschaft-Ausgabe), it didn't have a BWV number. When it got the number, it was changed to "Todes Banden". I understand the the free scores stick with the former because those are the scores that are free, but they should not add the number then, I'd say. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

What will you sing?
Dear, what will you sing?

As you know IMSLP has put a lot of Bruckner's scores on their website. I have followed it with Argus' eye and updated the External links of the Wikipedia Bruckner's pages. One of the best acquirements are the scores of Psalm 146, which Hans also enjoys (see Neuheiten). Schaller's new performance of it is a jewel, Hans and I however regret that he uses a single 8-voice choir in the 3rd part (live recording) instead of the separate choirs as foreseen by the composer and as Riedelbauch in his studio recording (see Psalm 146 A-Dur, WAB 37)...

I wish you success in your concert of next Saturday! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:22, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * You follow the link and find Der 100. Psalm (organ version), we'll also sing Laetatus sum (which is Psalm 121) and a short Panem coeli by Ryelandt . Two more rehearsals in Germany, one getting together in Bruges, dress rehearsal and concert. In case you know people who might be interested, let them know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * In the list of movements, could you please drop the #4? It's only a short prelude. See Der 100. Psalm, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear, I have made the change in IMSLP and added a link to the Wikipedia page. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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Asperges me, WAB 4
Please see this sentence in this article: "Thereafter part 1 has is repeated da capo." I can't resolve what this is supposed to say. --LilHelpa (talk) 15:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Watching: I wrote what I understood, please check, both of you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Dear Gerda, what you wrote is correct. I just would change the following: "Thereafter the incipit is repeated by the choir in unison", because the first incipit is not composed (it has to be sung by the priest. Many thanks for your improvement. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:33, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You do that, - I'm busy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Liza Ferschtman
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NDR Chor
I am going to create the article, - it's without hyphen even in German ;) - You can prepare Bruckner articles by a link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear, thanks for the info. I have added the Wikilink to it in the 10 cencerned Bruckner pages (removing the hyphen). Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Muziektheater Transparant
Can you perhaps translate a bit more from the nl lead? Perhaps even find sources??? - One of my choirs sang Christus factus est, WAB 9, but without me, - I always sing with the other one on Good Friday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear, I will have a look on the nl site. NB: I guess that the other one, which you mention, is the commonly sung Christus factus est, WAB 11. Do you know the eight-voice Christus factus est, WAB 10, which is, according to Nowak and myself, the most beautiful of the three? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking. There's a bit more lead in nl than English. - No, they sang WAB 9, I was in the rehearsals. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear, I have adapted it accordingly. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear Reginald, thank you! Next: Concertgebouw, Bruges (needs refs), to be followed by deSingel, - do you want to do that one? - No, we didn't tackle the 8-part one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Grillparzer
Nice to meet your street sign image for the poet who is on the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 22 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Could you do this short translation for me: Franz Liszt Via crucis? Beyt today or tomorrow, DYK ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Jongen's Mass, Op. 130
Template:Did you know nominations/Mass, Op. 130: can you do anything about the tags in the cathedral article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Dear, there is indeed a much more detailed article in the French Wikipedia. I will see if I can expand the English article accordingly. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:44, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a bit, please, lo make the tags go, only sourced information please. I asked LouisAlain the same question, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Bonjour Réginald alias Meneerke bloem. Pour éviter des chevauchements et autres embrouilles je vous propose de m'occupe de cet article ce matin après quoi vous pourrez si vous le souhaitez passer la seconde "couche". Cordialement, LouisAlain (talk) 08:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * : OK. Amitiés, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

IMSLP for Freundliche Vision
In the IMSLP for Freundliche Vision, I'm afraid they confused the 2 poets: should be Bierbaum for the first, Henckel for the others. Happy 2018, and if you dig you'll even find flowers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear, I have fixed it. Greetings, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:45, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Which calendar pic do you like best? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear, I like best the snow drops. They are giving hope during the darkness of the winter. In my garden, early crocusses (C. laevigatus 'Fontenayi', C. imperati 'De Jager' and C. sieberi 'Bowles's White') and cyclamens (Cyclamen coum) are currently flowering. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Would you know what kind of thistles? And there's no category for them ... - Off to vacation, will be less active and enjoy more nature! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear, they are flower buds of woolly thistles (Cirsium eriophorum). I have classified the pic accordingly. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 22:00, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I began Ingeborg Ruß, and think she is the person mentioned here and here. Do you agree? --

Seeking feedback on Bruckner article improvements
Hello, I am a new editor on Wikipedia who has been going through the Bruckner symphony articles and adding playable musical examples to them. I noticed that you seem to be a fairly active contributor to these articles so I was wondering if you could give me some feedback on my work. My intention is to bring the articles up to the same (or greater) level of detail as the articles for the Mahler symphonies or Liszt's Dante Symphony (At least as far as musical examples go). The idea is to have at least 10 examples for each symphony: from the 3 theme groups of the outer movements, the opening of the slow movement, the second part of the slow movement and the scherzo and trio, along with anything else interesting or noteworthy.

So far I have done the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th and I would like to know what you think. I have typeset the examples with more detail than in the Mahler articles, usually on two staves and adding in the other voices, but this does make some of the examples quite lengthy from an aesthetics point of view (Especially in the 6th and 7th). Also, some of Bruckner's melodies are long-winded and it is sometimes difficult to know when to stop the example (The main theme of the finale of the 7th being an example). Please let me know if you think any of them should be truncated. Ab18241896 (talk) 02:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi ,
 * I have indeed seen that playable musical examples have been added to Bruckner's symphonies Nos. 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. I will have an attent look on them and let you know how to possibly improve them.
 * Such examples may also be added to Symphony No. 1 and the not-numbered symphonies in F minor and D minor.
 * The case of Symphony No. 4 is more complex, because the 1874 version has another scherzo and trio, and the second and third themes of the finales of 1874 and 1878 (Volksfest-Finale) are different from those of the finale of 1880 (new second theme added, earlier second theme becoming third with "2 + 3" instead of quintolets, earler third theme removed)...
 * I am in contact with scholar William Carragan for the structure of the different versions and variants of the symphonies, and John Berky for their discography. I have so recordings of all their versions and variants, except for the full 1878 version of the Fourth (no recording available as yet).
 * For the other instrumental and vocal works, I am in close contact with Hans Roelofs for their structure, versions and discography (I have so recordings of all works, for which at least one commercial or private recording is available).
 * Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 06:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * For the other instrumental and vocal works, I am in close contact with Hans Roelofs for their structure, versions and discography (I have so recordings of all works, for which at least one commercial or private recording is available).
 * Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 06:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 06:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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Bruckner Chamber Music
May I kindly ask, why do you consider it superfluous to mention that Bruckner's quintet is of his chamber music compositions the most important one? Ok, all experts know it but what about an unexperienced readers, who start to learn about Bruckner? Snaj (talk) 00:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * The mean reason for removing your addition "String quintet in F major is Bruckner's most important work for chamber music" in Chamber Music (Bruckner), is that you have put it in the section Linz period. The String Quintet was composed during the Vienna period, in which it is already mentioned.
 * A second reason is that Wikipedia, as encyclopedia, has to be neutral, and that "important" is percieved as a personal judgement, which is not substantiated by a reliable reference. "Unexperienced" people, who want to know more about Bruckner's chamber music, have to look at the individual pages in which the different works are described in detail.
 * Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:12, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Bruckner masses
Can you please make a talk page for List of masses by Anton Bruckner, or is it somewhere and can be moved? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

List of masses, not List of Masses, List of motets, etc, please. Whenever there's a plural, it must by genric. Yes, Haydn is wrong, and I'm too lazy to change, but once you are at it, do it right ;) - It has the advantage of creating useful redirects automatically. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Gerda, before moving Masses (Bruckner) to List of Masses by Anton Bruckner I made mistakes, i.e., I blanked Masses (Bruckner) and its talkpage, and put its content into a new page List of masses by Anton Bruckner, which has been deleted in the meantime.
 * The move of Masses (Bruckner) to List of Masses by Anton Bruckner is correct, but, because of my mistakes, that of the Talk:List of Masses by Anton Bruckner is not. I cannot restore it. I have asked Village pump to fix it. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. Sorry!!!! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:06, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Gerda, it is fixed: the page is now titled List of masses by Anton Bruckner and its talkpage is restored.
 * Other lists: Psalms, Lieder, Cantatas, etc., are now also moved to similarly titled pages: List of psalm settings by Anton Bruckner, etc. Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of psalm settings by Anton Bruckner
Hello Meneerke bloem,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged List of psalm settings by Anton Bruckner for deletion in response to your request.

If you didn't intend to make such a request and don't want the article to be deleted, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&action=edit edit the page] and remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

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Which kind of tree is it?
Can you tell me what kind of tree this is? - I hope you picked up the Christmas greetings on top of my talk, which will be expanded for 2019 when it comes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Gerda, it is a Cassia - presumably a Cassia javanica, a subspecies or a hybrid of it. Mit freudlichen Grüßen für ein gesundes Neues Jahr! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:17, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. Could you tell more precisely which lilies are pictured here, + whatever else you could say more precisely. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:50, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Gerda: In the meantime, I have renamed the file accordingly. I wlll now have a look on the lilies. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:58, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Gerda, it is a Trompet-hybrid Lily - I guess a Lilium 'Golden Splendour'. Compare your picture with, e.g., this file. Greetings, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:12, 31 December 2018 (UTC)