User talk:Meno25/Archive 3

Deletion Review for Khalil Kalfat
You suggested userfying to another user's page. But that user doesn't read Arabic, and hasn't asked for userification to their pages. Would you like it? If so, where? --GRBerry 03:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem is that I am busy right now in real life. I am currently maintaining 48 articles (the articles I have created). I don't have time to look after another article. Most of my contributions are related to WikiProject Egypt which is just starting. Also, I don't know much about him. The information provided in the four links are enough to create a Start-Class article or at least Stub-Class but we will have to carefully write the article so that it is not a copyright violation. How about placing him in Category:Needed-Class Egypt articles? --Meno25 04:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

A more specific template
Hey, just thought you might like to know that if you created the page and no one else has really touched it, you can speedy it with db-user. Thanks! --Brad Beattie (talk) 04:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your valuable advice. Actually, there are some pages that I created and they should be deleted. I created them when I was a new comer and didn't know the policies of Wikipedia well. I am finding them now in my contributions list and tagging them. --Meno25 04:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yahoo and Google talk pages
Are we almost done? :D Happy editing to you. -- Teke ( talk ) 05:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I am afraid that I am not done. I realize that this is a heavy load on you but this must be done. Thank you. --Meno25 05:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep on goin, I'm on it. -- Teke ( talk ) 05:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. You can view them through my contributions. --Meno25 05:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages of moved articles
Hello. If you move an article, you should not nominate the talk page of the original article for speedy deletion (as with Talk:Sham el nessim and many others). A redirect from the old talk page to the new one will have been automatically created; that is a potentially useful redirect which should be left alone. For that reason, I'm reverting your addition of speedy deletion tags to various talk pages. --Sandstein 09:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. There are about 60 pages that qualify as speedy delete that I added today to the category but aren't deleted yet. Could you please delete them? You can find them easily through my contributions. Their edit summary is: Adding speedy template. --Meno25 09:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Right now I'm reverting the false speedy tags, those who would delete talk page redirects. The others will remain on CSD and be eventually deleted. --Sandstein 09:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * All these pages are reverted now and the pages I mentioned were all deleted. Cheers. --Meno25 11:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Talhheader
Great! Have fun Wiki-ing! See you around. ← Mets501 (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Meno25/Khalil Kalfat
Article is now userfied. Let me know if you need help with the French source, but there didn't seem to be much more in there than the sentence I translated. ~trialsanderrors 00:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't say that I want the article to userfied under my user name. I only suggested that it should be userfied. So, I moved the article to User:Hamuksha/Khalil Kalfat because this user is the original creator of the article. I edited the article a little. It is now a good stub. I rechecked the external links and disabled the templates. --Meno25 08:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You should decide whether this is good enough to move into article space or whether it should be redeleted. ~ trialsanderrors 19:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Correct order
I think that order was correct, if you don't think so please conact developers of my bot at pywikipediabot-users AT lists.sourceforge.net. I'm using automatic bot by name pywikipediabot for adding, deleting, modifying, sorting interwiki links, and i really don't think order of interwiki links is bad. -- Sasa  Stefa novic  &bull; 22:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Your bot put bg after bs and el after et. Although this may seem as a minor issue, arranging interwiki links in correct order helps foreign users of Wikipedia to quickly find their language. However, thank you for your message. --Meno25 22:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:CSD
Why all the deletion requests? Please note, that once you publish under GFDL you can not "unpublish". -- xaosflux Talk  08:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I am doing this under G7: Author's request. I have did this before and other administrators did the job. Talk pages under G7: Author's request and G8: Talk pages without a main page. Please delete them. --Meno25 08:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I delisted some of the talk pages before I saw the pattern (but blanked them). I am not going to delete these pages based on GFDL publishing standards, but will not delist any more of them from CSD today (another admin should get to them soon enough). When/If the articles are deleted the admin should delete the talk page as well, if they do not, please relist then as db-talk. Thank you, -- xaosflux Talk  08:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your polite response. Cheers. --Meno25 08:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

List of world records
Please explain why you reversed my edit. My edit was explained,and was relevant. All these records mentioned were specifically US records, NOT world records, and that is what the topic is about. There is no reliable source that would have the correct holders for these world records. --60.234.242.196 09:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What is your source that these are US records and not world records? Usually in Wikipedia, when someone writes something we consider it right but when someone corrects something (s)he has to state some reliable sources. If you have reliable sources, leave a message on the talk page. I doesn't know much about this subject, so, I would rather suggest that you contact someone who is more knowledgeable. Try leaving a message to anyone in the page's history. Thank you. --Meno25 10:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with this assessment. Wikipedia is about having verifiable sources. These did not. I do not need a counter resource as evidence. I also would assume that if you were editing this page, you would have at least some knowledge in the subject before doing so. As you mention you do not, why edit it? I dispute your edit as being good wiki practice or being based on any knowledge in the subject. --60.234.242.196 18:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem. But I didn't edit the page. I only reverted what I thought was vandalism. I will not edit this article again. Just leave a message on the talk page describing what you did and then delete what you want from the article. I also recommend that you create an account. Cheers. --Meno25 18:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Moving articles
I couldn't help but notice the mass moving of articles with Arabic names. There's an issue here. An article's name should use a standard transliteration, always. If there's a primary transliteration then that should be used. Also worth mentioning is that an article should not use strict transliteration. Many of your moves ignore these rules. For example, a move of the article Mustafa Lutfi al-Manfaluti to Moustafa Lutfi Al Manfaluti ignores these rules. First, it doesn't use the standard Arabic transliteration approved by Wikipedia's policies, and second, a little research shows that the primary transliteration of this name is Mustafa Lutfi al-Manfaluti, not the other name, as used in major references, like Britannica, and is more common, which can be clearly recognized by the number of g-hits.

Please do not perform moves on the go. You should check and see which is more common, or, if no actual primary transliteration exists, use the standard transliteration rules. Please familiarize yourself with the Arabic Manual of Style. Thank you and happy editing. :-) -- A NAS Talk? 13:51, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice to see you again. I would like to discuss some issues here.


 * First: Britannica is not the ultimate source of knowledge. It contains errors. See Errors in the Encyclopædia Britannica that have been corrected in Wikipedia. Note that these are series errors not just spelling mistakes.
 * Second: You are dealing with Arabic as if all Arabic countries use the same dialect which is wrong. Each country has its own dialect. Again I say, we in Egypt never say al-Manfaluti but always Al Manfaluti or Al-Manfaluti. The al- is used only in Saudi Arabia and Gulf countries. You can say al-Qaeda but never al-sadat. Now imagine this, a new Wikipedia reader wants to find information about any Egyptian article but he discovers that the article is using Saudi transliteration instead of Egyptian transliteration. Please see Talk:Anwar Al Sadat Also note that, I created the article about Thekra as Zekra then some other Wikipedian moved it. I respected this because Thekra is not Egyptian, so, the article about her should be written in the dialect of her country. All what I want is to write Egyptian articles using Egyptian transliteration.
 * Third: Considering online sources, you know that most of the online sources here, talk of al-Qaeda, etc, so, they use al not Al. You can not find an online source for every Egyptian figure.
 * Fourth: Since you mentioned it, how can I change that policy? If the change requires voting then I think that I will be out numbered. May be in the future, when an enough number of Egyptians use Wikipedia we could change that policy. Wikipedia ranks world-wide as 12 but in Egypt ranks as 30.
 * Fifth: As for now, I reverted the article to its old name Mustafa Lutfi al-Manfaluti according to the manual of style. I will stop moving articles for this reason. Please inform me if there is any other article that needs reverting.
 * Sixth: You always seem to give valuable advice. Could you check my contributions to check for any other issues that you would like to inform me of?
 * Seventh: Don't worry if I make a mistake. I will not say: Correct it yourself but I will correct it myself. I here now announce that any mistake in my past edits will be corrected by me because my edits are my responsibility.


 * Thank you very much and happy eid (although late). --Meno25 17:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I know Britannica is not the most reliable of references, which is why I didn't base my suggestion solely on Britannica, I added that that was the primary transliteration since it is more commonly used, evident by the Google hits margin. Now, moving to the more important issue; I base my edits related to the Arabic language and names on the international rules and standards of transliterating Arabic names, not on Gulf or Saudi-related rules (if there are any). Here is a very reliable document. In Wikipedia, the ALA-LC Romanization standards are applied, since they are most appropriate for the English usage.

The matter is very simple. Always use a primary transliteration, if available. So, if a transliteration that doesn't use the standard transliteration rules is more commonly used, use it, even if it's technically inaccurate. For example, Muammar al-Gaddafi is used even though it is an inaccurate transliteration. But, since it is used more often and is used by him personally, it was named that way. Heck, his son's article uses a different name. Another example, Homat el Diyar, the Syrian National Anthem. The standard way of transliterating this name would be Homat al-Diyar, right? But, it is much less common, so the primary transliteration was used. Now when there is no real primary transliteration (usually in cases where the subject is not well-known or well-published), you should use a standard transliteration, regardless of the subject's ethnicity or relation to the country or its dialect. I believe the current policies, when understood well, satisfy most sides. Changing these policies will only bring unneeded confusion. :-)

Thank you for your cooperation and civility. All the best, Mohammed. -- A NAS Talk? 18:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Excellent. That is exactly what I needed. Why didn't you tell me about this link before? --Meno25 19:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding my user page title, well, I have gone through the user page policies and nothing forbids this. Many user pages have used this code, so I think there are no problems. I use the code  Place title here. -- A NAS Talk? 18:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I really wanted to know the code. Best wishes. --Meno25 19:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad to help, and happy that the matter is settled. Take care. :-) -- A NAS Talk? 19:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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re: possible RfA
I think you should wait a while, possibly 2 months or so. Just a cursory look at your talk page shows that you don't fully understand speedy delete policy, and that's pretty important. Of lesser concern is the number of userboxes on your userpage; I don't care, and I'm not sure if this is still an issue, but some people might be bothered by them. Also, your strange habit of adding a line break before your signature (is it built into the code?) -- while I wouldn't vote "oppose" on those grounds, I can imagine that someone would. I haven't looked at your edits, but just based on the CSD stuff I'd say a little time is warranted. Thank you for asking and trusting my judgement! If you ever have questions you can ask me on my talk page or through e-mail. :) --Fang Aili talk 15:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * My dear friend (if you allowed me) Fang, I thank you dearly for the message you left me here. I didn't reply to it because in the past 3 weeks I was busy. (I am a university student and as you know the term exams are in January.) I decided (following your advice) not to nominate myself for adminship now. I will postpone this few weeks for every single day I pas here my understanding of the policies and methods of conduct here increases. Congratulations (although late) on receiving sysop rights on Commons. See you around. --Meno25 09:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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 * Hello, Bushcarrot. I was surprised when I saw the message you left me on my talk page here. I didn't replay since then because I was busy in the last three weeks as I am a university student and as you know the term exams are in January. The story is as follows: When I was browing Wikipedia I found that the User:Sakura Avalon didn't receive a welcome message although that (s)he has made many edits since August 2006, so, I added a welcome message. You taaged the page for speedy deletion using VandalProof as can be seen here. Then another user, User:BradBeattie removed the speedy tag as can be seen here. This account is active. (Has 128 edits before and after my welcome message as can be seen here. Also, two other messages were posted for the same user.) I am assuming here that this was a mistake. I thank you dearly for the efforts you make to improve Wikipedia. I, as a user of VandalProof, consider you now as my friend (if you allow me) as we both are anti-vandalism fighters. Cheers. --Meno25 09:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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