User talk:Mercurie

Mercurie, ordinarily articles about oneself are frowned upon on wikipedia, as are self promotional articles. Please provide references for your article, as wikipedia is not a source of original research, any fact stated in your article should be not only true and of encyclopedic value, but referenced to an external reliable, credible source for the same information. That said Bob Arno is a pretty fair article for one's first wikipedia contribution. Be aware though, that its deletion might be proposed, especially without references. Thanks for your contribution to wikipedia, I look forward to seeing more contributions from you. The following is a form letter with some helpful links for new editors:

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Thanks for your response
Sorry, I guess I use copy/paste too much, and copied the article's title instead of your name, or whatever, I hadn't meant to call you "Bob". Whoever you are is entirely your business, I didn't intend to encroach on that. Since you were so responsive to my input, I thought you might appreciate another comment on your article. As a community we pretty much all "make the rules" on an ongoing pasis, so things change all the time, but some of our policies -- that we pretty much all agree to or we couldn't do this writing-an-encyclopedia thing together -- those key policies are what holds so many different people together, and though, eventually they may change, certain of our "rules" are pretty much set in stone.

One of these pretty much absolutely necessary tools, or rules or policies or whatever you choose to call them is "Everything in an article must express a Neutral Point of View" and another is "Sources should be cited for facts".... which also means we don't write what we know, we write what is available from another source, because an encyclopedia is not a 'primary source' where people read original research but a compendium of information referenced from other sources. (its ok to write a statement of fact such as "The stage manager at the Huntsville Playhouse calls Mr. Arno "the most talented novelty performer" he has met." -- if there is a reference for it.) Unreferenced information will often be tagged like this:, and eventually may be deleted if no reference is added.

If I say for instance "Bob can seemingly remove a man's shirt -- after loosening his necktie and unbuttoning his collar and cuffs -- by yanking upwards on the collar, while the man is still wearing his jacket", well that is a 'statement of fact', and it would be considered important to cite a source for that fact, and it allows our reader to decide for himself that it is an astounding feat. We probably wouldn't write "Bob Arno can perform astounding feats".

And if I say "Bob is the 7th greatest pickpocket performer of all time, worldwide.", that is 'an opinion', unless it can be substantiated by some sort of objective criteria and measurement of skill, and credible evidence that untested pickpockets do not have better skills (or whatever criteria you use to test this type of entertainer). Opinions do not express a neutral point of view.

So when you work on this article, it would be good to edit it with those two 'rules' in mind. This will save future editors some work, as one of the tasks that takes a significant part of our contributor's time is to remove what we call "Point of View" from articles to make them more encyclopedic. Thanks for taking the time to read this, and for your contributions to Wikipedia. Let me know if you ever have a question on where to find something or how to do something, and I'll try to help you out. Just leave a message on my talk page any time. User:Pedant 19:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

how to make a reference
The easiest 2 ways to make a reference might be:

to use an unlabeled inline external link, like 



, and the link will be automatically labeled with a number... or you can make an inline external link with a label, to do that you use The text you want to appear as the link

(The text you want to appear as the link)

example: "Bob Arno, "the professor of pickpocketry" uses a wallet stuffed full of newspaper, to entice pickpockets to steal it when researching pickpocket techniques.  On stage, he offers both comedic and serious advice to help people avoid falling prey to real pickpockets, according to Blue Moon talent, an entertainment booking agency  in Denver. " The single square brackets make an external link, and double square brackets make an internal, wikipedia link... to label an external link, put a space and then the link text, to label an internal link, use a pipe symbol instead of a space, between the article name and the link text (this is called a piped link, it's used for when you want to point to an article, but label it differently from the article name like:

Denver

or

"Bob Arno is a dip".

Which will display as "Bob Arno is a dip." Which still 'points to' Pickpocket

...or Denver, which still points to Denver, Colorado

Look around at some of the links in the welcome message above, and ease into it. The more you get to know wikipedia before embarking on a fleet of new edits, the more of a satisfying experience you will have. Take some time and click through some random pages and click the 'edit' link to get some looks at different coding examples. I'll look in on your edits in a little bit, I look forward to reading more from you. Have fun, use the 'show preview' button to see how your edits will look before you 'save page' and feel free to ask if you can't find something you need. Nice to meet you. User:Pedant 07:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

More Bob Arno
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Arno&action=history this is a link to all the versions of the article and who changed what... if there's something that needs to be put pack in, you can find it on the old version of the page. Pretty much anything anyone ever writes on here will basically be archived forever. If you have some reference for something that was pulled out, be bold and put it back in, or check to see who removed whatever you are putting back in, and ask why they took it out, and maybe discuss why you are putting it back... either way works, if you put it back in and he objects to it, he might get in touch and ask you. That's gonna always happen, everybody here has different opinions and trying their best to have no opinions at all, so we probably write 10 times as much about the writing as we write in the article space, when you add it all up.

Anyway the history tab is where you find all that historry stuff. You can use the 'difference function' to track down who did what. Glad to see you're still here. User:Pedant 03:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem, we all take time off... not like we get paid for this, LOL, add it up and this project is costing a fortune, for something free. Kinda cool in a way though. See you when you get back. User:Pedant 20:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Could you be more specific with your questions? You know I'm prone to long winded answers, and it would probably be more helpful to you to get very specific answers. Sometimes links are removed when they seem to be advertising/promotion, sometimes they are removed because they are either not relevant, or may have become dead links: (Las Vegas Review Journal 2/15/04) seems to be a dead link now.

I'd still be glad to help. Do you plan to work on anything else besides Bob Arno ? It could be that you have more to contribute elsewhere, since you did such a thorough job creating the Arno piece. You might want to edit some related articles... read some of those and see if you don't have some input that would be of value.

Let me know what in particular you have questions about, and I'll try to answer. User:Pedant 18:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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To VernoWhitney:
Regarding the two images on the Bob Arno page (bobarnowallet.jpg and bobarnocuffed.jpg) I have sent an email, following a template, to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Is there anything else I need to do? Re-upload the images? I will address the Richard Turner images after the Bob Arno ones are undeleted. Thank you, Mercurie (talk) 20:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As soon as a member of the email response team verifies your email the images will be undeleted, so you don't need to re-upload them. You may need to add them back to the article after they're undeleted, though, but that should be all. Thank you for your understanding. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

To VernoWhitney again
I also need to request undeletion of the two images from the Richard Turner page, richard-turner-karate.jpg and richard-turner-card-mechanic.jpg. I have emailed Richard Turner's permission to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, but I have not received an email back from them. Anything else I should do? Thanks,Mercurie (talk) 04:24, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, everything's fine. There's sometimes a backlog since there are a limited number of volunteers who handle emails, but someone should get back to you soon about those images. Thanks for checking in. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Mercurie. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Bob Arno, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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