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Maria Daines & Paul Killington part 4
Dear Merope,

I'd like to thank you and Zest for taking the time to try to make our page work to wikipedia's standards, if I can be of any help please let me know, also I have the links to the BBC radio interviews if you would like them and all UK mainstream stations playing our music, oh and I checked the page where the editing is being done and there's just one thing, the main link to our website is spelt incorrectly, it reads Danes, and should read Daines. We very much appreciate your time and effort in re-formatting, hoping it will meet the wikipedia requirements, best wishes, from Maria Daines —Preceding unsigned comment added by Respectourplanet (talk • contribs)

Maria Daines & Paul Killington Take 3
Well Merope.....I have put the info here... [] Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated. Thank you ZEST 20:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Maria Daines & Paul Killington Take 2
Hello there again !!!! I read your message on my talk page. Hmm.... No I am not Maria Daines. My affiliation with Maria Daines is that I host a radio show in Canada on a station that is licenced by the CRTC. I have grown to appreciate all that Maria and Paul are doing on behalf of the under represented !!!! Namely, animals, people and the environment. Throughout my seasons on the show, I have highlited many of Maria and Pauls songs about the above mentioned issues. I just figured that anybody that has donated their time and talents to so many great causes should have a place in Wikipedia. Honestly, Maria and Paul have both been great supporters of human, and animal rights on many levels. I find it really too bad that Wikipedia must find some element of a person to become included. Hmmm....perhaps I should start an article about my own radio show and post all the artists I have featured on my show. The number of independent artists I have featured numbers in the hundreds.....How about that ???? Should I start my own article about my show, and start promoting all the artists featured ????? Perhaps it is through my show that I can make a better case for everyone. Because I broadcast from a licenced station, and also play major recording artists for which Wikipedia lists them all in articles, that might be the way to go. As for my notability, it's there for sure !!!! Here is a link to my personal web page I sell nothing on my website. All the content is for promotion of other artists and media. No cd's for sale, no nothing for sale. Just free information for the benefit of those that really care about the world in which we live. My show is called, ZEST RADIO SHOW on CKRG 89.9 FM Radio Glendon, broadcast from, York University, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. This campus is the psychology and french immersion campus, as well as the political science campus for the university.....Hmmm......I suppose this will all make for great discussion on my show when I get back on the air in September. Surely, a psychology professor would be willing to discuss the advent of alienation of people due to stringent guidelines set out by Wikipedia and those that are entrusted to verify information before condeming it to the oblivion of cyberspace...... Yes, certainly the philosophy department might want to have some input on these topics also !!!! In any case, you have proven to be a kind and thoughtful member here, that seem to want to have Maria and Paul included in Wikipedia. Sooo..send their page over to my page here, and when it gets there, I will be contacting you directly to help with the formatting and codeing, and displaying the relavent material that indeed will endear Maria and Paul to Wikipedia and the world that is deserving of their contribution to humanity, plane earth and the universe !!!! Thanks again....catch up with you soon. Your friend, Paul D. Richmond ZEST 19:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Or...maybe you want to help me set up a ZEST RADIO SHOW page here at Wikipedia !!!! I am notable for sure....and....I can prove it !!!! Flip a coin.....it's your choice now ;-)

Maria Daines & Paul Killington
What is it with this place ???? Speedy deletion requests have been applied to Maria Daines & Paul Killingtons page for the 2nd time now. I can't help it if you don't know about their notability !!!! I am new here and trying. Perhaps if you checked the links, you would learn more. Although your expediency should be commended. However, those that are quick to judge may have a particular philosophy that needs adjusting.... Here, check this out.... Maria Daines and paul Killington on BBC I really wish you would all take a pill and chill out around here...we are but humble artists trying to get this done corrrectly. What do you think ??? That we are editors ?? We are artists that are notable, and you keep saying that's not the case.... Please help instead of being so dictoral in your diretions. Cheers, and best regards, ZEST 18:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center
Your recent edit to Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // AntiVandalBot 14:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Amusingly, the creator of this bot had his own attempts to revert the vandalism thwarted by another bot. My guess is because the text of the article has the word "gay" in it, and the bots are probably on the look-out for that. -Merope 17:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Conversation with Alex Thornton

 * Listen Ill stop but first tell me why. I mean their hundreads of articles in upcoming movie ist that haven't been confirmed yet or released, can we just please keep it until the release date of summer 2007? Alex Thornton 19:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey unless youve been to google david gallegos, george, and george junior are notable actors, they were in a hiking accident in 1998 and two years later were asked to star in a film called Longs Peak. Please just give it a chance I can assure you 100% this is not whatever that stuff you call it. Please sir. Alex Thornton 20:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Very well Miss I should have none wikimedia doesn't care for future events so Ill go to the ISV Wikimedia, its a alternative wikia universe called ISV. Hey go see my movie next year in theaters everywhere. Its the story of Donny Cipriani and the birth of Toni Cipriani. Bye. Alex Thornton 20:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

John Stuart Mill
Hi Merope,

The strange thing about the article on Mill is that it hardly contain any footnotes. I was implimenting some, since i am reading a book for my final paper on his influence on the British society. It seems like you have deleted these footnotes as well. This means that you are discarding factual information. All the claims that i make are based on information from this book. It could be that you don't agree with the tone of my edits. I was a little bit annoyed about Mill's views on the Irish famine, his conduct on his family and his views on family planning of the uncivilized masses, so i wanted to express my feelings. The writer of the biography has a positive POV on Mill, but still his book contained all the negative information of Mill's life as well. Being a postmodernist, i don't really believe in negative and positive, though. Maybe we could work something out the two of us. Untill now i have always come to some understanding with other users on the content of articles.--Daanschr 20:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I am using the latest biography Written by an American from New Orleans and published by the Cambridge university press in England. I agree with the weasel words. My style of writing can be populist from time to time. All the information on Harriet Mill is true though. He started his relationship with the married Harriet Taylor in 1833. John Taylor died in 1849. I don't agree with the denial of facts from your side. Deleting information without a discussion seems like a break of the rule of civility.--Daanschr 20:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I will respond on the talk page.--Daanschr 21:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Will you respond to the talk page, or should i expect you to be gone, so i can edit the article on my own?--Daanschr 21:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

NoOutlet
Perhaps a better way to go about the deletion nomination process is to actually research the thing being explained in the article to see if it's notable as opposed to deciding based on what is in the article being written. Then, if you find it notable, you can add what you feel might make it more obviously notable to others. I was saving it while editing, so had I not gone through this conversation with you and Cambridge, it might by now live up to your standards of notability by my edits alone. I literally registered to make the article that you nominated for deletion. Therefore, I didn't know why a pink box was on my article and at first assumed it was because it was a new article; perhaps all new articles have a verification period, I thought. It was quite by accident that I found the edit history with "db-group" next to your user name. And at any rate, as I said on Cambridge's discussion, I feel you violated the Don't bite the newcomers guideline. Also, I'd like to mention that the Ultima series is amazing, especially Ultima VII which is the greatest game in the world. The series is so wonderful that I put old computer parts together and have made an Ultimachine which has all of the main series(working on Underworld) except for Ultima IX which it can't handle. The operating system consists of the files found on a Windows 98 boot disk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoOutlet (talk • contribs)

Super greg
I changed the deletion tag to a prod tag simply because there is a claim of notability there being a viral marketing campaign. That being said I don't feel it was nearly notable enough. Wildthing61476 20:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Applying the WP:CORP criteria for products and services
UKPhoenix79 has cited several independently sourced product reviews in magazines, to demonstrate that the products satisfy the WP:CORP criteria for products and services. Please revisit the discussion with an eye to determining whether the WP:CORP criteria are satisfied by these published works (and any others that can be found), and thus whether fixing the article is a matter of cleaning it up using sources other than just the advertising and press releases put out by Bose itself, rather than deleting it. Uncle G 12:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Avidity artice author
I feel I must question your disapproval of my post on Avidity. Your reason given reflected an infringement of copyrighted material. As the author of the material referenced in the article I feel I have a right to post this. It was my desire to 1) enter the article into public domain so as to avert copyright infringement by others who have used the information without properly referencing it 2) to make the information freely available to anyone and 3) to allow the article to be pier reviewed by the Wikipedia community of users. A review of the Wikipedia GFDL demonstrates my post has not violated any regulations and is, apparently, a demonstration of the implied and stated use of Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License

Kurt Phinney —Preceding unsigned comment added by SailOn7 (talk • contribs)

Closed loop relationship
Hi Merope, I wanted to give you a heads-up that this article, which you nominated for WP:PROD, was de-prodded by an anonymous editor. I have nominated it at AfD, here: Articles for deletion/Closed loop relationship. Regards, Accurizer 18:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOR
Don't worry about it--the copyvio was a valid reason for it to be deleted, whereas NOR isn't. So it served a purpose. :) --Fang Aili talk 19:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

CSD
Hi, just to give you a heads up, I removed the CSD on Conekt as the article asserts the notability of the band, "... is a very famous, romanian music band, and I could also add - perhaps the most controversed one nowadays..." (Although not perfect English clearly asserts notability). I've performed a minor cleanup and added a couple of tags. Lets hope the original author gets to it :) - FrancisTyers · 23:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Dissaproval with your conduct
I am reading this talk page and the deletions that you made, and i want to notice to you that i dissaprove with your conduct. I don't understand the use of making so many people agitated, who are trying to their best in the edits they make on Wikipedia. I hope you will leave my edits alone the next time, otherwise i will discuss your conduct with one of the administrators. I think i can get some people who are willing to support a complaint from my side.--Daanschr 11:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am curious why you are so concerned with articles that should be deleted to your opinion. You could also spend your time making good articles and reading books to support your claims while editing articles.--Daanschr 17:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I probably was too pushy myself. Sorry for that. I hope we have resolved this issue.--Daanschr 07:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

reversing user page vandalism
Just to let you know, your user page was blanked by a vandal and I have since reversed it.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletes
Thank you for tagging so many speedies and helping keep nonsense out of Wikipedia! --Fang Aili talk 14:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Reversing vandalism on my userpage
Multas gratias vobis ago from another classicist. That AznCracker fellow was testing my patience and that of pretty much everyone else with his sophomoric antics, claiming to be the voice of Asian youth, claiming to be from Harvard, etc. Well, I went to one of the other seven Ivies, and Harvard folk may be spacey, arrogant, and dissociated from reality, but I know they're not as dumb as this guy was. I was tempted to instruct him that the proper terms used by Asian-Americans in the Ivy League were "twinkie" and "banana," but I didn't feel like wasting my time on a high school kid.

By the way, good luck on cleaning up what needs cleaned up. If you want to play janitor and AfD and tag articles for deletion, don't let anyone make you feel bad. Someone needs to flush the Wikipedia toilet occasionally. I do newpages patrol too. Depressing, isn't it? I ignore most of the travesties, hoping they'll be cleaned up, and zap the worst of the worst. Billy Blythe 17:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Robert Cresanti
This copyvio is from a federal agency site. Do you know what the situation is with this, as federal images are released into the public domain? I don't know if text is as well, but it's not from a commercial provider, presumably. Tyrenius 20:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's a complicated issue. So text is the same as images then! Tyrenius 06:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Copyvios
When you tag a page with copyvio, don't forget to blank the text from the page too. This prevents copyright-violating text from propagating to mirrors. The text will still be visible in the history of the page in question. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 22:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reminder! One question -- do you blank pages tagged with db-copyvio?  The instructions aren't clear.  Thank you!  -- Merope 15:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There is generally no need to. Copyvios can't be speedied after 48 hours from creation, during which time the mirrors are unlikely to pick them up. Stifle (talk) 18:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sicamous Eagles
Hi, I couldn't help noticing that you placed a speedy delete tag on this artice 1 minute after its creation. While I agree with hindsight that the article should be deleted, I can't help feeling its a little premature to add the tag so quickly. A new user may be creating a page incrementally. Mallanox 00:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Trial Defense Service copyvio tag
As an attorney for the US Army, I'm not sure why you view using some content from US Army websites to describe US Army agencies as a copyright violation. My read of copyright is that the US government cannot copyright anything, though state and local government can. I may be mistaken, as I am not a patent attorney, just the regular kind.

Nevertheless, the page you tagged, United States Army Trial Defense Service, has been rewritten off the top of my head from my experience as a TDS attorney, citing the TDS site as a source only. The corrected page appears at Talk:United States Army Trial Defense Service/Temp, and I'd appreciate your putting this page up in place of the alleged copyright violating page.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hzoi (talk • contribs)


 * It's well established in copyright law that nothing originated by the U.S. Government can be copyrighted and that the federal government does not claim copyright. There are some gray areas and exeptions though. The Wikipedia policy is at WP:PD and more specifically at Public_domain

The Midway State
Hi there,

I saw your notice for speedy deletion on The Midway State. Forgive my newbieness, however, I was hoping you could remove it. I believe, as I posted on the talk page, that since they have major record deals in the works, and are listed on The Agengy Group site as well as EMI music, that legitimizes the significance of the band for wikipedia. If there is anything else I could do to support this please let me know.

Thanks! Chiberg

Smartest 14 year old ever
Then again, maybe he is the smartest 14-year-old... and a citation would be helpful to bringing the article up to standard. I think a smarter 14 yr. old kid might opt to not use all caps, though. Pedant 20:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Arizona Jewelers Association
I noticed you placed a speedy deletion tag on this page. If you will check the talk section I have posted the reasons why I believe your speedy deletion reasons are wrong. First, the AJA is a non-profit organization, and secondly I, as the author of the original content, grant permission to use the information again on the wikipedia site. Unfortunately, besides the rough copyright permission I granted on the page itself, I cannot find a way to cite copyright permission granting in a wiki article. Please Advise. Thank you. Ben Woerner, st_gulik

Thanks for the speedy consideration. :) --Saint Gulik 18:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Sara Maru
Thanks for fixing the redirect... There is no toolbox when I use this cpu, so I have to manually type those in. (Thank God that I learned to use Wikipedia on a different computer!)  the_ ed1  7   19:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The Millen Sisters
I removed the speedy notice on The Millen Sisters because there is an assertion of notability, namely that they modeled "on the covers of The Cheetah Girls book series." I'm not saying it's a great assertion, but it is an assertion. If you still it should be deleted (probably just merged), I'd support a listing for deletion. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Terrorists_of_Pakistani_origin
Here is some additional information regarding your view on Articles_for_deletion/Terrorists_of_Pakistani_origin. I request you to take a look.


 * Comment: Terrorism: random or correlated? Kaustuv Chaudhuri has claimed that it is a random event that some individuals of Pakistani descent are terrorist. Please see the following.
 * Articles
 * Terrorism pipeline flows to Pakistan, Chicago Tribune, August 13, 2006
 * Pakistan missing link in extremist battle, Sydney Morning Herald, August 14, 2006,
 * Just whose side is Pakistan really on? The Sunday Times - Britain, August 13, 2006
 * Pakistan’s Help in Averting a Terror Attack Is a Double-Edged Sword, New York Times, August 12, 2006
 * Books
 * Book: Pakistan's Drift Into Extremism: Allah, The Army, And America's War On Terror, Hassan Abbas, Jessica Stern
 * Book: Pakistan: Eye of the Storm, Owen Bennett Jones
 * Book: Pakistan: Between Mosque And Military, by Husain Haqqani
 * Other
 * Congressional Briefing: Rep. McKinney 9/11 Congressional Briefing
 * --Robcotton 21:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * May I also suggest another article. "The history of Britain's Mirpur population may help to explain why some became suicide bombers", Madeleine Bunting, Guardian, July 18, 2005
 * --Robcotton 22:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Conversation with Fossiltooth
Reason not to delete:

This band had inactive links from other wikipedia pages prior to its creation. Their was clearly a demmand for greater information about these artists prior to the creation of this page. Some of these requested links were in place long before this author had any affiliation with wikipedia

It is signed to a record label that is among the first to adhere to a new, unusual, and influential business model. (Collective Self Release Label) It is potentially an important new concept in

This page is currently in "stub" form, and will continue to be fleshed out in order to be a truly useful recourse.

This band, along with several other marked for speedy deletion are nationally distributed AND are known and (in most cases) influential within their respective underground music scenes.

Please allow this, and other appropriate new pages to be fleshed-out. I have no direct Commercial interest in any of the earmarked band or artist pages. Although this Author is closely related to those involved in this creative new bussiness model and underground phenomenon, I am not directly affiliated with any of the bands marked for deletions.

I appologize for MY deletion of the "speedy deletion" tag. It's still my first day on Wikipedia, and I didn't know that it was considered vandalism. I assumed the posting of such a tag was some innocent mistake on the poster's part, and I deleted it myself.

Please remove this tag, so that this page may be further fleshed out and go on to become a valuable resource to those interested in new and important music, as well as economic shifts and innovations whithin the music business.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fossiltooth (talk • contribs)

User: El_Santiago
Hi, I am writing my first article for Wiki on Mildred Gale and you flagged it for deletion believing her not to be noteable. She is mainly known for being the grandmother of G.Washington but is well remembered in her place of death with a plaque commemerating her. (see link http://www.whitehavenandwesternlakeland.co.uk/people/mildredgale.htm) she is also a historial figure helping underline the links between Whitehaven and the USA. Please advise if you believe a finnished article would be worthwhile.

User:DenverRulez!!
you db'd some vandalism by this user just now. THe article on Littleton, CO was deleted after I prod'd it without checking on the revision history- it looks like this was an initially valid article about the town that the user had substituted the Stapleton Airport text into. Can it be recovered and reverted? Richardjames444 15:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * it was done by another admin and the user was blocked. Wow, Wikipedia is quick! Richardjames444 15:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

User: hannahmadsen
Please can you advise if The Oxford Imps article is now suitable enough or if more information is required for it to be a valid entry? Kind Regards Hannah

Kelly West
My mistake. I got the idea that she was one of them William M. Connolley 18:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Patrolling new pages
Hi Merope! I'm out here patrolling new pages with you today. Can you do a favor for me, and leave on comment on the talk page of authors of pages you're tagging for speedy deletion? You can use tags found at WP:TUSER if you'd like. Although it may do little good, this will at least help educate the newcomers why these pages have been deleted. Thanks! --CPAScott 20:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...
What do you think about this page? --HappyCamper 04:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've decided to act on your suggestions. We'll see what happens... --HappyCamper 19:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Questions
Not sure exactly why you suggested Vietnam: Glory Obscured for deletion. You cite Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, but the page is about a game modification about a war that happened in the past. While a modification for the same game, that has a similar overview for their mod and exists in the furture, was allowed to remain. Both mods can be considered artistic vision; if taken place in the future (star trek) or taken place in the past (Apocalypse Now.) What else would have to be done to keep that article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Screamingcricket (talk • contribs)

Silence Kit (Russian band)
While this band is not especially popular in the US, they have played opening shows for more noteworthy bands, have released 2 albums (although on an independent label), and have had a deadend link on the "post_metal" page for months. How is this not worth keeping, especially when compared to articles for bands such as "The Advantage", who have not played with noteworthy bands (or none are listed), and have shorter articles that are poorly written? If this article need speedy deletion, please speedily delete some of the hundreds of other band pages that are less notable than this, or define "Notable" more strictly so that we don't have these inconsistencies. Thanks.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quadjilla (talk • contribs)

existance
I understand your reason for wanting to delete the article becuase the mod is unreleased. But the reason I question that is becuase HaloGen is also an unreleased mod for Command & Conquer: Generals, yet the article is allowed to exist. Both mods exist as internal alphas versions for their respective teams and are not yet released publicly. I am only trying to understand why an article for one unreleased mod can exist while the article for another unreleased mod cannot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Screamingcricket (talk • contribs)

Tiny detail
Hi,

Just so you know, CSD G4 only applies to content that has been AfDed previously. If something has just been speedied previously, simply re-tag it with the valid CSD that was used the first time (or any other CSD that applies, but G4 doesn't.) Thanks for the tagging help! Best wishes, Xoloz 15:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion
Hi,

When I first read that section, I had only been on Wikipedia a few days, and it was so confusing at the time I ignored it and forgot all about it. Thanks for reminding me and keep up the good work! P.S. as regards the model aircraft manufacturesrs that you contacted me about earlier, I took your advice and created a List of model aircraft manufacturers. - Blood red sandman 17:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Khatt Springs Hotel & SPA
There's a difference between a violation of WP:C and CSD A8. The latter applies to copyrighted content that's taken from a commercial vendor of that content. Since the Hotel presumably doesn't make money by selling the contents of its web page, this criterion doesn't apply. But the article still should be flagged (and blanked) as a copyvio. Hopefully someday we'll get a CSD for flagrant spam. VoiceOfReason 18:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like our messages to each other crossed mid-stream :) VoiceOfReason 18:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a lot of editors have been using db-copyvio on spam, and a lot of administrators have been obligingly deleting these articles. I'm not sure how I feel about that. It's also a fact that a lot of editors, including me, use db-bio on articles that don't really qualify. ("John Q. Schmidlap is the GREATEST HUMAN BEING EVAR!!!11!!!!", for all of its idiocy, does assert the notability of its subject and therefore doesn't qualify under CSD A7, but it's certain to be tagged and equally certain to be deleted.) I think the CSD process is broken; it's overly-restrictive and doesn't place enough trust in the hands of the admins, and as a result people ignore the rules and use the CSD tags where they don't belong. This article is in fact a great example... we both flagged it as a copyvio, because it is a copyvio, but we both know that copyright violation isn't really the issue. We both know that it's nearly certain that the article creator actually owns the content he posted or at least has rights to it. We're using the copyvio rules in bad faith, as a technicality to get rid of a spammy article. But I ranted about this in much more detail here. VoiceOfReason 18:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Liechtenstein guy
Well, I don't think it's speediable, but I didn't see the guy's name in any of the (German) links provided. I would do a basic wikify, remove the "signature" at the top, and add verify and expert-attention tags. I guess a Liechtenstein historian is not real likely to show up on Google, but is there anything there? NawlinWiki 21:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Speedy?
Are you sure Kappa Phi Gamma, can't be speedied as blatant copvio in the last 48 hours?-- Andeh 16:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Zebo
Just a reminder: WP:CSD A7 (db-bio and db-band) are not meant to be used to articles that explain the significance of their subject, but fail to meet WP:MUSIC or WP:BIO. In such cases, it's better to use WP:PROD, and if that fails, WP:AFD. Mango juice talk 17:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Help with Vandalism?
I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, and I seem to be dealing with a vandalism case for the first time....

I just reverted a stupid addition to the Oldest people page. Ambystom01 not only added that ridiculous Kwarkru page but linked it into the aforementioned Oldest people. Worse, said user slapped a do not delete tag on the article, uploaded an image, etc., after your posting.

Obviously, I'm turning to you for help because you started (nicely, I might add) to deal with this user, but it seems to me that "it" (I hesitate to specify a gender) is shaping up to a vandal.

Thanks. -- Eliyahu S Talk 20:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Muchos gracias! Or, as we say over here in Jerusalem, תודה רבה!
 * I've marked the vandalism refs you sent me, and hope to become a better Wikipedian.... Amen. And while I'm at it, I'd like to thank the Academy, my parents, and .... ;) -- Eliyahu S Talk 20:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the advice. I've been putting speedy delete tags on some articles, as well as cleanup tags and stubs, so maybe I get a few wrong. I've been lenient with some as I don't want to speedy delete articles that shouldn't. Casmith 789 14:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for your concern Mdawg728 15:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for clarifying the link on Digital preservation.

Thibgc 21:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank for helping with Women of Faith
Sorry about that. I really thought I was doing what was right.

Could I post this:

Women of Faith, (officially Women of Faith, Inc.) is a non-denominational Christian organization.

Women of Faith hold confernces at various locations around North America.

Since its beginning in 1996, Women of Faith had attendances of more than 3 million.

I would also like to post their 2006 roster, but is that copyrighted? Too?

Speaker Team Patsy Clairmont Nicole Johnson Marilyn Meberg Luci Swindoll Sheila Walsh Thelma Wells Mary Graham Special Guests Avalon Carried Away Natalie Grant Carol Kent Max Lucado Robin McGraw Nicole C. Mullen Nichole Nordeman Sandi Patty Chonda Pierce Anita Renfroe Jennifer Rothschild Sherri Shepherd Angela Thomas Tammy Trent Kathy Troccoli Donna VanLiere Gobazkov 20:11, 30 August 2006

Wabash liberation army
_ _ I've speedied Wabash liberation army, finding that your Db was well-founded, contrary to the at best reckless removal of your tag. However, please read up on WP:CSD, and note that WP:V is not part of it, and mentioning it with your Db could be expected to cast doubt on it. _ _ My take is that WP:V is a requirement about the text of articles, not about their deletability. I would consider it a bad argument even on AfD in the absence of a convincing argument that the topic implicit in the article title is unverifiable. E.g., i will always vote Del on The key to the universe that God gave me (unless there is shown to be a notable song, essay, or book with that title). _ _ You were however right abt A7, and "everybody is talking about it" is so vague a claim as to fall short of a notability claim. Keep reading, and keep up the good work. --Jerzy•t 00:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you by chance mean that WP:V is not part of WP:PROD instead of WP:CSD? I didn't mention verifiability in the speedy delete nom; I just used db-group.  I realize now that I shouldn't have put it in the prod tag, but I was ennumerating some of the many issues with the article (and was admittedly frustrated that the speedy tag was removed).  I'll be more careful in the future.  Thanks!  -- Merope 02:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * _ _ No, i think i meant CSD, and i consider your statement of where you cited it to be so much more reliable than my recollection, that i'll admit to error rather than double-checking you. I think i was at fault for hastily confusing the two places where i read your reasons for deletion.
 * _ _ As to ProD, it is such a dull blade that i confess i give little attention to the exact justifications for its use: IMO it's hard to go wrong by just tagging with it whenever your gut says "worthlessly unencyclopedic", once you've ruled out Speedy for any reason. (Note that neither Speedy nor ProD carries the prohibition on recreation that AfD Del verdicts do.) I would, i'm guessing, neither advance WP:V as a ProD reason nor complain (as i did in the confused belief that we were talking abt Speedy) about someone else doing so.
 * _ _ I guess you know i sympathize with your frustration about the removal per "argument by blatant assertion" that you erred. I believe the speedy tags are a convenience for users (and for admins like me, who want another opinion rather than both iniating & executing a speedy, and another admin's before one i originate is executed). I don't believe there is any reason to consider an unconvincing rejection (removal) of a Db to be definitive, nor to insist on communication abt them to be via the templates: i executed the speedy we're talking abt w/o retagging, and i will gladly weigh future requests on my talk page, from you, for speedy execution after such cavalier removals as you and i experienced from that user. --Jerzy•t 02:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Merope!
Hello Merope. I'm The Image Maker. Thank you for fixing my article on Batwing (Spaceshot). I very much appreciate it. How do you know all that about the ride? Image Maker.

Women of Faith
I made some major changes, could you please let me know what you think? Don't worry about the canned response, I can imagine how much you have to put up with! Gobazkov 13:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you :)
I appreciate the help on the reference and the good advice. KarateLadyKarateLady 14:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)