User talk:MesKalamDug

Really...
So you broswe Wikipedia and just found out that the discussion on Talk:Muawiyah I was going on, and even felt the need to begin with "I know this is a very late date to jump in. But I just discovered this conversation was going on."? That's awfully fast to jump into detailed discussions for a new account with a user who has no previous Wiki experience. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Why so Angry?
I fear you jumped into a conclusion - and missed. I have lots of Wikipedia experience but I haven't edited anything for three or fours years and I had forgotten what username and password I used back then. So I signed in with a new moniker. Once upon a time I had hopes of making the Wikipedia pages on Islamic Origins sober, scholarly and fair to all parties. Silly me.

Consider Mu'awiya. When you look hard at his life - such as we know of it - and contemplate it dispassionately you see that it really was not too exciting. He inherited his rule in Damascus. In his career he went from success to success and he died in bed. The only real event we detect was the first fitna. But what do we know about the first fitna - as is pertains to Mu'awiya and not to Shi'ite dogma ? Both the almost contemporary Christian sources - pseudo-Sebeos and the Maronite Chronicle - say Mua'awiya took charge when Ali, who had tried organize an opposition, was killed ? About the only other thing, at the high political level, worth mentioning (a line or two) is his attacks on Constantinople. He was so successful that there is very little actual history. This does not make for an exciting entry.

In particular the connection of the historic Mua'wiya with the legendary fitna (The Camel, Siffin, the arbitration and all the rest) is so frail that I would spin the fitna off into a separate Wikipedia entry and reference it from the article on Mua'wiya.

But I suspect I should be saying this on the talk page of the Mu'awiya article not here. MesKalamDug (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Your use of multiple Wikipedia accounts
== Gee, thanks. They should make it easier on people who cannot remember either the old user name or password. I don't want to sock puppet I just want to post. 66.234.221.56 (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have removed the template from your user-page. See Sockpuppet_investigations/Flagrantedelicto/Archive--Toddy1 (talk) 17:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)