User talk:Messybeast

If you are here to leave a message asking for permission to re-use material from messybeast.com, please email me instead (contact info is on the website). I have become so discouraged that it may be months between visits to my talk page. Despite GFDL notices at the foot of many of my webpages, Wikipedia authors continue to cite copyvio, even on my own edits. How can I plagiarise myself? So I figured I might as well stick to doing research for my own site and not bother contributing to Wikipedia pages. If you want to reproduce material I've researched, email me via the website where you found the material in question. Messybeast (talk) 17:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Copyvio against my own own work?
I have just had to recreate White Panther from scratch. In spite of my mutant bigcats page on messybeast.com displaying a notice that text is licenced, someone decided the White Panther article was copyvio and deleted. This is very discouraging and makes a mockery of the GFDL licence notice displayed on that page. Messybeast 21:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

6th Dec 2005: I am a newbie to Wikipedia tho I've previously given permission for text/images from my works and websites to be reproduced on Wikipedia by other users. My field of knowledge is genetics/felids. Please forgive my errors that result from inexperience. I've created an a/c because I use a shared IP address (with a few 1000 others) and not all edits from that IP are mine.Messybeast 06:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Please do not automatically assume text content reproduced from messybeast.com is copyvio. I gave permission for other Wikipedians to use content. Also, it isn't plagiarism of the Messybeast hybrids webpages - how can I plagiarise myself? Messybeast 06:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note the Messybeast website is sometimes slow (very occasionally offline) due to server maintenance. Please don't assume it is a dead link! I have given permission for some of the photos (pumapard, polar/brown bear hybrid) to be uploaded to Wikipedia if someone with more experience than me wishes to do this. Messybeast 06:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Added photos of Polar/Brown bear hybrid, Jaglion, hybrid pig, Pumapard. All photos my own work released to Wikipedia (my own website was suffering outages and people could not see images).Messybeast 08:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

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Image was already tagged when uploaded. Can't see what the problem is.Messybeast 07:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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Trawler Spaniel
Hey there,

I noticed that several of your images from your website messybeast.com taken at the Rothschild Zoological Museum have been uploaded on Wikimedia Commons. Is there any chance you'd consider uploading the shot taken of the Toy Trawler Spaniel as I'm currently gathering sources to put together an article on the English Wikipedia about the breed as I have a keen interest in Spaniels. I'm happy to do it myself with your permission, but I thought you'd probably prefer to take the full credit for the great image.

Thanks, Miyagawa   (talk)  14:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome
It's 5 years late, but have a welcome template! [These get erratically distributed on a whimsical basis (automated greeting messages have been argued against for years...). I was just doing some cleanup at cat breed articles, and kept noticing your wonderful messybeast resource. Let me know if you ever need any Wikipedia assistance; I can generally find the right help-page to find out answers, from our sea of them all...!] -- Quiddity (talk) 21:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


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Messybeast.com
I believe this is your website? Some material has been used to expand the Falkland Islands Wolf article, would you be able to expand on the sources used. WP:RSN indicated that it needed additional cites, would you be able to help? Wee Curry Monster talk 19:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I gave a colleague permission to update the article during his lunchtime, it inlcuded referenced source articles (mostly ship's journals held in the British Library or Maritime Musuem, but he said you yourself kept undoing the changes. The source quotations are in public domain (1910 or earlier)  but he got a copyvio warning.  So to be honest I really don't see any point helping you (by permitting a colleague to update the article) as you simple delete it again.  In fact that's why I don't bother editing articles any more - it's evident from all the "undo" activities that Wikipedia authors simply aren't interested in researched, sourced articles complete with references. Messybeast (talk) 16:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It was neither researched or sourced. He cut'n'pasted a load of quotes, all were unattributed. He then pasted a list of book titles, in some cases duplicating ones that were already there.  I've already spent a lot of time cleaning the article up and as you failed to respond found alternative cites and removed messybeast.com, which as an WP:SPS is not considered a reliable source.  I asked for help with cites to support certain facts, however, your friends ham fisted approach was unhelpful.
 * I will happily help anyone find their way and my first action was to give your friend pointers and I would have been happy to explain things further. Instead he ignored that to repeat an action that raised a concern of WP:COPYVIO by cut'n'pasting wholesale from another website and inserted an edit that was unhelpful.  My query was prompted by cleaning up after a new editor created a problem with a wholesale copyright violation on this and related articles.
 * You appear to have gone off half-cocked without fully checking your facts. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry that you feel you own that page. Material copies from Messybeast.com was not a copyvio. Since you evidently feel so proprietorial over that page I am not giving Wee Curry Monster permission to use the contents.

Did you ever confirm your account with OTRS? Wee Curry Monster talk 22:03, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Mexican Hairless Cat


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 * Please do not cut and paste content from clearly copyrighted websites into Wikipedia. While the original accounts (which are inappropriately long for blockquotes) may be out of copyright, the messybeast material is clearly copyrighted. Please either rewrite using the text as a source, or provide evidence of permission either on the original site or via OTRS. We can't accept the "used with permission" without better proof of control of that content.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Acroterion - I AM messybeast. I cannot copyvio my own work. The quotes are public domain and fully referenced. |Everything else is reworded from my original work on my own website. I write wiki articles in parallel with my own website. This inability to use my own work is one reason i quite editing on wikipedia - there is a distinct lack of anything resembling common sense if an author cannot use his/her own work. What is OTRS?


 * I don't actually doubt that you are, but we can't accept it on face value, too many others have abused it to the detriment of the authors that the rule is iron-clad: either there must be an appropriate CC-by-SA notice on the content, or there must be clear evidence of use provided by OTRS. Since Wikipedia is a free website, content that is copy/pasted in must be obviously free. I think most of what you've posted is OK, but I can't tell what is doubtful, and when in doubt, it must go. It's a sometimes unfortunate outcome of WP being a free-content website. I'm glad to help you through the process if you need help supplying the appropriate assurances via email to OTRS (not to me).   Acroterion   (talk)   11:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

OK. I do not want to GFDL my whole original page, but I want to make the correct information about the breed (which I spent considerable time researching for the benefit of cat lovers) available. Almost all of the content I wrote is fully referenced to the original newspapers and books and very little is my own commentary.


 * I understand, I usually advise people to make private acknowledgement via OTRS instead of CC-by-SA-ing pages too (it's not GFDL anymore, by the way, that conversion took place a few years ago). Take a look at WP:DCM, that has the best information. Remember, what was deleted can easily be restored.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

OTRS email already sent. I am reinstating the page with additional edits. I appreciate your help. Will I applaud caution, I think editors also need to be careful in not shouting "copyvio" on public domain text that is demonstrably available from multiple sources and multiple formats.


 * I've added an OTRS -pending template to the talkpage so reviewers will see that it's in process.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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