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19th Knesset elections
The sources says that Netanyahu will be the first PM to complete a four year term, which is different to the Knesset completing a four year term. The Knesset has completed several four year terms, as you can see in this list. This Knesset document also infers that the Knesset has served a four year term previously (it states it is rare, not that it has never happened). But it also happens to be wrong as there have been full term governments previously (like Begin's). Number  5  7  08:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have used the Reuters article to change the wording to "If it completes its four year term in office, it will be the first since Menachem Begin's government of 1977–1981 to do so." Number   5  7  09:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and the whole concept of governments completing the term is slightly misleading anyway - the unity government of 1984–1988 completed its term, but because the Prime Minister changed halfway through as part of the rotation agreement, technically it was two governments. The 1992-1996 government effectively completed its term (although again it was two governments because of Rabin's assassination) but Peres chose early elections rather than being forced into it. Number   5  7  19:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012
The action to remove the table (the only information as concise and complete in Wikipedia on the 2012 Republican primaries) was carried out by one anonymous individual calling himself or herself a 'third-party' person. Where does this come from? A few vague generalities were made to find the information elsewhere. I pointed out the information in other Wikipedia pages is incomplete and often incorrect. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We both know he's now blatantly lying (6 people are against me?) and just put a tag here. This just convinces me more and more he's sockpuppeting with like a half dozen accounts now.--Metallurgist (talk) 01:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Metallurgist, I'm leaving a note on your TALK page; then I'll go to the talk page of Anonymous-68 and leave this message for him or her:
 * Sign in as a real person to be respected as an editor. .!. . . . Respectfully, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 10:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * SUBJECT: Words between Alice (in Wonderland) and the Cheshire Cat:  "Who . . .  are . . . you ? "

Perhaps a new Wikipedia page is in order which would link from the main page. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 10:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you read up on asking a QUESTION to the Help Desk of Wikipedia? I know that you know how things work at Wikipedia, but in addition, senior editors can look at the TALK and it would be good for them to become involved. This is a HIGH PRIORITY and HIGH INTEREST Wikipedia page and should not be treated so lightly by 'you-know-who'. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Consider a new page, linked from Republican Primary presidential primaries, 2012
"When you argue with a fool, observers may not know [the wiser]." You are obviously right in the mini-tempest, but if it comes to arbitration, I have seen good and best work discounted. If you get tired of putting the table back, I copied the Wiki-code and could take a turn. I want the table to stay till at least Super Tuesday and through March. After that, it may be a great idea to have a new Wikipedia page with some introductory lines before the table and then the link over to the actual table. Give it some thought just in case. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know—we'll see when we see. The calendar might get split up eventually once the primaries are over. I'm not sure it's worth edit-warring because we're the mature ones, so we can stop. And I'm confident, he'll be proven wrong in the end.--Metallurgist (talk) 19:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are the adult on the TALK page. Can you send a note to my personal eMail address (on my TALK page) ?  I have some insights not for the public eye here on Wikipedia. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC) P.S. Did you mean, "he'll be proven wrong in the end, or did you mean, "Hell will be proven wrong in the end"?
 * No, I just dont use apostrophes. :P And I dont see your email--Metallurgist (talk) 21:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Why should it be your say only when the table should stay until?68.39.100.32 (talk) 22:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Its not my say only. But no one except a suspected sockpuppet disagrees with me.--Metallurgist (talk) 23:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Suspected. And when I and the other 4 or 5 users are proven not to be the same person, what will happen?68.39.100.32 (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It is almost certain that there is sockpuppetry somewhere here. You may be separate from this, but I honestly doubt it.--Metallurgist (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I AM separate from this. Is there anyway that you can get CheckUser to check us/the page with the sockpuppet report?68.39.100.32 (talk) 23:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont believe that, but we shall see. And I have no idea what is taking so long. Im sure we both can agree on wanting this to be resolved already.--Metallurgist (talk) 23:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

LMAO, that makes one thing ;) 68.39.100.32 (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I TOLD you I wasnt a sockpuppet or associated with them.68.39.100.32 (talk) 22:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You havent been cleared yet. He just said he didnt have any comment on you. That could mean anything. He did say there wasnt enough evidence to connect Screwball to those identities, but did say he was likely behind them. Theres still a good bit of evidence to connect you and Screwball, but not yet enough to get you banned. He was banned for a month tho.--Metallurgist (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To the puppet I would say, "Did you add to your USER page, or your TALK page I created for you? Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 07:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge involving Republican Primary articles.
An article that you have been involved in editing, Republican Party presidential candidates, 2012, has been proposed for a merge with Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Jack Bornholm (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * (An interesting idea but due to size and current high interest in the main WP article here, it didn't happen. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk))

Republican Primary Map

 * I created a possible addition to the map text box caption. I also included how I could go about implementing the change.  I like your idea of including links for multiple maps so the majority of this change would be based around that.  I'm thinking it would greatly assist individual's with any color vision deficiency.  I would appreciate your feedback as I would like to include you in every step of this process. SaveATreeEatAVegan 06:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, so what I've done now is used the Protanopia (red-green) color comparison graph to adjust the main map. You were spot on about the yellow comment you made, as our mutual friend would have seen the yellow as white which is completely unhelpful. Changing it to the green (lime), now Gingrich will appear as yellow to anyone with the red-green color deficiency. SaveATreeEatAVegan 18:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, youd never know it if you didnt see things like that.--Metallurgist (talk) 18:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012
Template:Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 13:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll want to see what this is talking about. Ill start by looking at the Article. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC) (PS: What do your professors think about not using apostrophes?)
 * there was once a famous author who did not use CAPS: c.s.lewis? how fast do you type[question-mark] Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ive gotten a point off here and there, but havent written papers in awhile really :P. Sometimes I just avoid contractions altogether, which is a cop out...altho sometimes its required. Really theres no point in having them if you read the criticism section on the apostrophe page. As for the template, the guy withdrew his deletion nomination.--Metallurgist (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Formatting court cases on Wikipedia
Hi. Just a quick note regarding formatting court cases on Wikipedia, as I noticed this edit of yours. Court cases are always formatted in italics on the English Wikipedia (cf. Manual of Style/Legal). Generally people also include the court case citation as well "123 U.S. 456", but including just the year is acceptable. My main concern is the use of italics.

Thank you for all your hard work. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I wasnt aware of that. I put the years to try to help haha --Metallurgist (talk) 04:58, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Need your help
Since I know you have a lot of knowledge and interest in Israel and because I noticed that you always make sure that all your contributions are of high quality and reliability, I was hoping you might be able to help me improve the following templates by ensuring that the places from which each attack was launched are marked correctly with the right color. I have started marking them all and I still got much more work to do, nevertheless, I was hoping I could get assistance from additional editors like yourself so that my work would be completed faster and be double checked.


 * Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 2010s
 * Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 2000s
 * Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 1990s
 * Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 1980s
 * Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 1970s
 * Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 1960s
 * Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 1950s

What do you say? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh wow thats a tough job. Whats your rationale for doing it? Im not opposed, but Im "curious". Ill see if I can help..--Metallurgist (talk) 18:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Throughout Israel's history it has been attacked by various organizations that launched terror attacks from different countries and territories. In my opinion it is not enough to specify only the name of each attack (which doesn't mean a lot to most of the readers anyway) and that therefore we should also mark the countries and/or territories from which each attack was launched with separate colors so that our readers would be able to understand much faster where the attacks originated from in each period of the conflict. In my opinion we shouldn't disregard this aspect, especially not since the places from which the terror attacks are launched are of great importance to all researchers studying this subject and would help the readers understand better and much faster the geopolitics of the region in each period of time.  TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. Which ones do you want me to do? Or should I just double check them?--Metallurgist (talk) 19:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The most important one in my opinion is Template:Terrorist attacks against Israelis in the 2000s (which is not finished and therefore your assistance with it would be mostly appreciated). In general I would appreciate if you can double check every single one of the events listed in each template mentioned above since their accuracy is very important. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly. Ill do a bit sometime today. Remind me if I forget.--Metallurgist (talk) 19:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Minnesota Republican caucuses, 2012
Hello. You have edited Conventions table in this article. Could you give me the source of updated results? No source shows that Romney won 1 delegate in 1CD. What is more, no one shows an uncommitted delegate in 8CD (it should be Unknown, not Uncommitted I think). Regards Bielsko (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This tweet says it was for CD1. Its not quite reliable, but there isnt anyone doubting it. As for CD8, uncommitted and unknown are functionally the same.--Metallurgist (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's rather unconfirmed info. 3rd delegate should be marked as uncommitted, I think. Official sources (Pat Anderson, National Committeewoman) confirms only 20 for Paul - . Few days ago, she confirmed 2 delegates for Santorum -.
 * "Uncommitted and unknown are functionally the same" - OK, my fault. Regards Bielsko (talk) 13:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It is, but theres presently no reason to doubt it. I wish there was a more reliable source, but the media has been negligent. And nothing at fault. There is a small difference, but its not really important.--Metallurgist (talk) 14:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * In general, please explain your edits in the edit summaries - that's what they're for. This change, for example, would be much easier to evaluate if you explained what you were changing and why.  --Born2cycle (talk) 17:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I did explain it. Missouri is what I changed.--Metallurgist (talk) 21:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Your entire summary is "Missouri". But what are you changing about it, and why?  Contrast that to the edit summary of the previous edit, by yours truly: "Update Minnesota delegate count per todays results as updated at Minnesota Republican caucuses, 2012; updated totals at bottom of table too.".  While I don't provide a direct source, at least I let editors know where I got the information (which I verified to be properly sourced before I used it), so they can verify it.  Your "Missouri" edit summary doesn't facilitate verification like that at all.  It's not like this info is front page on the NY Times.  Why make others dig it up when you can point them to it?  Presumably you did not make up these numbers, so why not tell others where you got them?  --Born2cycle (talk) 16:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You dont need to write a whole abstract on your edit. The diff is pretty explanatory.--Metallurgist (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You give no indication whatsoever of what your source is. --Born2cycle (talk) 04:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing on that chart is sourced.--Metallurgist (talk) 08:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, unfortunately. Makes verification extremely difficult.  Anyway, that's just more reason to indicate in the edit summary the source of any updates.  --Born2cycle (talk) 01:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Its verifiable if you look at the subpages.--Metallurgist (talk) 07:39, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Alberta general election, 2012
You have twice now quoted WP:BOLD in your edits to Alberta general election, 2012. Please know that a part of being bold is not to "get upset if your bold edits get deleted". Let's start the WP:BRD cycle, not the edit war cycle. 117Avenue (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And part of Wikipedia is not getting upset if your precious article is modified significantly. WP:OWN In addition, you just reverted it without putting up any discussion yourself that you wanted or giving any reasoning to wipe out a very constructive edit. I only planned to revert once, so there was no risk of edit war, fortunately.--Metallurgist (talk) 07:36, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How many times do I have to say BRD? If you want your changes discussed, start the thread on the article's talk. 117Avenue (talk) 07:40, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont have to defend a constructive change. You should put a discussion as to why this change is not constructive if you find it so.--Metallurgist (talk) 07:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I twice said WP:CONTRAST. I would like to go in more detail about how this formatting is unlike anything else in Canada, but it should be discussed on the article's talk, not a user's. 117Avenue (talk) 07:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course it should, but you seem to have no interest in doing so and would rather just tear away an edit.--Metallurgist (talk) 11:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

LA caucus
Hello, You have written: "and gaining 17 delegates to the national convention in Tampa.". There is a problem with this sentence - National Convention Delegates will be elected at the state convention in June. Yesterday, caucus elected only 150 delegates and 72 alternates to State Convention. The table you put in that article is also wrong, I think - because it shows national not state convention delgates. Bielsko (talk) 09:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I didnt write that. Someone else did. If it were me, I would have just put the table. And on that note, thats what the source says. Its the same as any other projected delegate count. But I understand what youre saying. You can put a note that theyre projected not elected if you want.--Metallurgist (talk) 17:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine. I saw you have just added corrected table. Regards Bielsko (talk) 19:05, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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Yemenite Children Affair (Israel)
Hi Metallurgist. Please help me improve this important article as much as you can. Thanks. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont know much about this actually. Sorry--Metallurgist (talk) 03:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks anyway. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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Polling added to Scottish independence referendum article
I've added a polling section and told you via your talk page as requested. --Cymru123 (talk) 15:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just wanted to see how likely it was to pass.--Metallurgist (talk) 20:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

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Strange edits
Could I ask why you've removed the surplus vote agreement section from Israeli legislative election, 2013 twice? And even more pressing, why do you think this is vandalism? Cheers, Number   5  7  09:35, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesnt seem to serve any constructive purpose, so it should be removed.--Metallurgist (talk) 10:47, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's part of the electoral system in Israel, so it's worth including. I'm more concerned that you labelled it as vandalism when it clearly wasn't. Number   5  7  12:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Explain how. Until it becomes clear what its purpose is, it looks like utter nonsense and vandalism to me. You cant just add gibberish and think that is ok for Wikipedia.--Metallurgist (talk) 13:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

What? Do you know how the system works? Because it's PR, the number of seats can't be allocated exactly, as you can't have 0.2 or whatever of a seat. This means some parties have more votes than they need for their number of seats, but not enough to get another one. Surplus vote agreements mean that they transfer these extra votes to another party so that they perhaps can get enough extra for one more seat. It's a newsworthy issue - see here, here, here etc. Number   5  7  13:59, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you telling me about what you should be putting on the page if you feel that justifies it?--Metallurgist (talk) 07:26, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Why on earth have you removed it again? It's just vandalism now. Number   5  7  09:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * I have also replied there. Graham 87 05:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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Fly-by Radio
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WikiProject Elections and Referendums article tagging
Hi Metallurgist. Sorry to have to post directly on your talk page, but you may have noticed (on the WP:Elections and referendums talk page) that I am trying to get all the election and referendum articles tagged for the project. Unfortunately this is not making any progress, as people are claiming there is no consensus to do this, as no-one has responded on the Project talk page. Could you possibly comment on the proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums, as I'm getting rather frustrated by the attitude of the people at WP:BTR. Cheers, Number   5  7  12:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Dont you love the bureaucratic process here? ;) —Metallurgist (talk) 21:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No comment! Number   5  7  23:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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