User talk:Meters/Archive 12

Regarding content in the actual book at hand Psychopathia Sexualis
There are several guidelines present at wikipedia you can look up at not changing over and over even when one think one is right etc, dispute resolution and so on. There should be certainly a more solid source verification system at wikipedia.

To keep adding a false statement, just because you feel so, makes little sense in the world of knowledge, bar increasing the ever present cases of blind leading the blind.

The article is about a book [Psychopathia Sexualis], which contains terms which, correctly or not, we attribute as first time presented in at least European literature. I have clearly stated in the edits, that according to the actual source, there is NO such thing as anilingus whatsoever mentioned in the English translation, readily available for an academic or even a wikipedia editor to check, read and verify this.

I also made it clear that should there be for some reason this latin phrase in the _original_ Austrian version, then by all means, provide the reference to this from the book, else stop attempting to introduce fantasy to history, regardless if it has been erronous for five years already in the wikipedia entry.

On page 55 of the translated version, one will see mentioning of cunnilingus and even of erotic sensation w.r.t. fecal deposition upon one's chest by a woman and other such examples but under no circumstance is there a _single_ mention of a rimjob, or an attraction to the actual anus nor any perturbation of analingus as we see it.

There are about four or five sections mentioning cunnilingus, or fellatio among other such "perversions" etc, yet none of this will make the false claim about 'anilingus' being coined in that book. To then source some other source to actually make a false claim versus the ACTUAL book means the corrected edit you keep unediting is on you to disprove. Wikipedia clearly asks for you to not keep editing in such a manner and since you keep doing it, there should be some other fellow academics or whoever actually who can bother to look at the actual book, verify this fancy claim you keep adding, else you should think about what you are doing.

Again, this is why wikipedia can be relatively strong in the strong sciences, but in history, literature, psychology and such fields, it still lacks in merit.

P.S. A partly broken keyboard might omit some spaces. 92.221.56.186 (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * For the fourth time, take this to the article's talk page. Content disputes are discussed on the article's talk page so that all interested parties may participate. They are not settled with edit summaries, and they are not settled on user talk pages. I've already started the thread on Richard von Krafft-Ebing's talk page, I have already located a copy of the cited source, and I have already verified a version of the claim. The wording in the article needs to clarified, but the claim is largely correct. Thoise words were introduced to English by the English translation of his book, not by him directly (obviously, since he did not write Psychopathia Sexualis in English). The only thing left to discuss is the exact wording to be used. If you had bothered to look at the talk page you would already know that.


 * If you choose not to participate in the talk page discussion then those who do participate will reach consensus on how to word it without your input. If you remove the material again I will ask to have you blocked. Meters (talk) 00:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * IP did not participate, but extensively discussed on talk page. OED Third confirms first English usage in an English translation (1899 Rebman translation), which was verified by user: Legitimus. Clarified wording added to both articles. Meters (talk) 19:38, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, and your presence scares me!
We all interpret things/have opinions that are different, for instance, I liked season 8 of Spongebob, don't think I deserve to get blocked since all I did was add extra information and I think that a Muslim character in HuniePop 2 is a good thing! 🙄🤔😣😯 Atlantic Ranter 9705 (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I warned you for breaking a link I said You cannot arbitrarily change the wording of a Wikipedia link to something you like better. It will not work if there is no article at that name If you don't understand that you probably should not be editing. Many of your edits are not constructive, and the fact that you are using two different accounts is not appropriate. Meters (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeffed Mar, and then talk page access revoked June, and then CU notice Aug. Meters (talk) 00:34, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Georgia Highlands College edits
Can you please review the talk section on Georgia Highlands College? You suggested I add the content I thought the page should have to Talk and allow others not affiliated with the institution to edit that content into the main page if appropriate. ProfStv (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I will look at it, but I'll tell you now that dropping a complete rewrite of the entire article onto the talkpage in one block is not the best way to do this. It's very difficult to discuss particular changes that way. Meters (talk) 20:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Northland Pioneer College
I am the Director of Marketing at NPC. I was asked by the president of the college to update our wiki page. The information on it was out of date and inaccurate. I have looked at other Arizona community college pages and attempted to add items that they have on their pages. The information is accurate. I would like to finish my corrections. I am sorry I marked my changes a minor but I was having trouble saving my changes if I didn't. Am I suppose to check "watch this page?" I also need to update our logos and I can't do that either. How do I finish my edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahess74 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * As you are editing this article as part of your job, you are not only a conflict of interest editor but a WP:PAID editor. You must comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID. Once you have done so you should propose any article changes on the article's talk pages so that editors with no conflict of interest can discuss if the material is suitable for inclusion. Please note that the Wikipedia article is not the college's article. It is not there to promote the college, and the college does not have any control over what material is or is not covered in the article. Meters (talk) 19:59, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No declaration and continued to edit article. I have tagged article talk page with Connected editor Paid. Meters (talk) 03:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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dead link Thanks
Thanks for the tip on the dead link template in the Bra article. I didn't realize the bot would automatically find the archive version with this template. Note that there was a date formatting issue in that same change you made in the references, so I fixed that just now. &sect; Music Sorter &sect;  (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No probs. Thanks for cleaning up after me. I also tweaked the month since we use full spellings in refs rather than 3 letter versions.. Meters (talk) 04:55, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Familar editing style
Meters, does the editing style in these contributions seem familiar? I know who it reminds me of. - BilCat (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks a bit like the very latest addition to my memory aid of socks User:Meters/SPIs Meters (talk) 01:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's who I had in mind. Very persistent. - BilCat (talk) 06:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm done for tonight, buI 'll keep an eye on him. Meters (talk) 06:16, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I want to stop making mistakes
Meters, I will now stop doing things that violate Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. I will also stop making claims without citing its proper sources and end the use of unsourced content and inappropriate discuss on talk pages so I don't get banned from editing. I'm really sorry for making these mistakes. Airbus A350-100BOI (talk) 09:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC) Airbus A350-100BOI (talk) 14:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There will be no problem if you start sourcing things properly and stop using multiple accounts to make the same unsourced edits. Meters (talk) 19:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the article you and he crossed on, and, Oy! I actually feel like I now know less about the subject than before. What a hot mess. John from Idegon (talk) 19:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Product recall is not a very good article, and lately it's just serving as a coatrack to list every penny ante recall. Meters (talk) 20:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I will stay away from bad articles like Product recall and only use one account to make edits that are sourced. Airbus A350-100BOI (talk) 05:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no need to stay away from bad articles. In fact, they are more in need of improvement than other articles. Meters (talk) 19:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

GTA 5 Trevor and franklin actors
I know their birthdays if I was you I would do research that I did and you’ll know that I’m right and you’re wrong. Sameem123 (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * As i said on your talk page You have been warned before about both unsourced edits and nonconstructive edits. Your edit to this article was blatant vandalism. The fact that you undid yourself does not change that. The vandalism edit was If you have reliable sources then provide them. If you don't then stop making these changes. It's not up to me or anyone else to source your additions for you.Meters (talk) 00:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * indef'ed NOTHERE Meters (talk) 01:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Rancho Bernardo High School Incident
Search up the school on google and you'll see what my last edit was about. I'll wait for you to give a response before I re-edit the controversy because you seem to know what you are doing more than I do. The High School's name has seem to have been changed twice on Google already since I added the post. The only source I could put was of that picture of a ghost. I could take screen shots of the google results for reference if you would like..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.24.51.62 (talk) 19:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I know what it was about. Some kid's stupid online prank about the school is probably not worth mentioning at all, but as it is nothing in that entire paragraph is sourced at all except for the existence of a extremely poorly photoshopped picture. If the prank was a big enough deal that reliable sources discussed it then it might be worth mentioning, but as it is it is just promotion of a juvenile prank. Meters (talk) 01:12, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Rancho Bernardo High School
Would you please take a look at the Controversies section? The first bit seems like it rises to the level we'd cover, but an un-bylined summary at ESPN.com seems to be a pretty weak source and there are close paraphrasing issues. The rest seems just not appropriate, and of course none of it needs subheadings and any we keep should go in history. Your thoughts? John from Idegon (talk) 17:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * was waiting for my previous removal from this section to settle (see previous thread) before looking at the rest. Most (and possibly all) of this section has been removed and restored before.


 * Broomstick: I agree that the broomstick incident can be mentioned and that it needs to be rewritten with a better source. Very definitely overly-close paraphrasing.
 * It's a bit tough to evaluate if or how overblown some of the other incidents were since most of the sources are dead.


 * Underwear: I'm leaning to including this one. Shocking action by school administrator at a school function. Made national news.
 * Noose: nuke it. "a misunderstanding and no action had been taken"
 * Hacking: Some kid hacked the school system. and the school's memo about it was sent to the local media. So what?
 * Graffiti: 2013 dead link but sounds like nothing but graffiti ; 2018: looked at by police and dismissed as not a credible threat. So, again nothing but rmuch here. Meters (talk) 19:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Catholicism and Homosexuality
To be aware that I've sought a Third Opinion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Active_disagreements
 * Too bad this happened just before I had to take some downtime. Dug through through the history to find out who left this unsigned notice (Contaldo80 on Sept 3) and why there was no official notice. Turns out the filing was malformed (he neglected to list any editors other than himself) and was immediately turned down on procedural. grounds. Now I have to see what happened in the article. Meters (talk) 05:19, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Article is Catholic Church and homosexuality. Edit appeared to be an attempted end run on scare quotes by using italics rather than quotes . Made by an IP and then immediately defended by two frequent editors. as "a clarification" Targeted words were "people" in "gay people" and "acts" in "homosexual acts". Third opinion reply withing minutes was to reject italics, and to reword if clarification was required, which was exactly what I had said on the talk page. Meters (talk) 05:33, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!


Happy Halloween!

Hello Meters: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  — usernamekiran (talk)   12:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Albert Cassell - Member of Alpha Phi Alpha
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak. I'm very new to this but through research I found that Mr. Cassell was a member of the said fraternity and I wanted to add it to his wiki page. I don't know how, perhaps you can help me.

- Mr. Anthony Thompson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.223.128.131 (talk) 18:34, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've converted your malformed external link into a properly formatted ref. My apologies for the long delay.. Meters (talk) 04:52, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, and your presence also scares me!
Hey Meters, I was trying to do edits as part of my final project in college. I hope those edits don't severely wreck my reputation in wikipedia because I am new and this is potentially my only account I'll use to work along with my final project to see what would happen if I do edits. Do you think you can help me out? I want to make legit edits so I don't get called out badly in Wikipedia. BetaTemp (talk) 20:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Why would you ask me for help if my presence on Wikipedia scares you?
 * Your edits were not a big deal. They were slightly less than neutral, they were not minor, and you were attempting to change the wording of reference titles. It was just a level 1 notice to tell you what you were doing wrong. Meters (talk) 21:24, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Interesting coincidence?
I noticed you warned for unsourced content. I think you were involved in the kerfuffle about a year ago involving and unsourced content on Indiana high school articles. I don't believe in coincidence. Good to see you back, no matter how limited it is. John from Idegon (talk) 22:26, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 * So far so good. If it keeps up I'll pull the user page notice. 04:31, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, you meant user:Rhatsa26X. Meters (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

xQc page
hey I was the dude that started the xQc mess with the picture. it got way out of hand and if you look at the history, i tried fixing it. thanks for fixing though after it was locked. i was wondering if you could add the picture back though. it is a bit of a joke, but it is funny and not that bad i dont think. if not here's a different one thumb|xQc at OWWC https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Xqc.0.jpg MrGrillo (talk) 02:51, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a chance in the world. I found that image on a copyright website, so it appears that you are violating copyright by uploading it as your own work . I will ask to have that image deleted. Meters (talk) 02:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Many thanks, and too you too. Meters (talk) 04:30, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Chaz Jankel
Thanks for your edits at Chaz Jankel and other pages attacked by the Dubai IPs - one SPI is at Sockpuppet investigations/FaisalMusicFan99/Archive. I have a long list of IPs but once spotted/blocked they rarely use the same IP again. Thanks again - Arjayay (talk) 11:08, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the SPI pointer. I was not aware of this one. Meters (talk) 05:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Randolph Mantooth
I agree with your edit on his page. I was unable to login on my phone to correct it.

He has been professionally active since the late 1960s. Some sources list 1970 (first television credit). He did plays in NYC while he was in college in the late 60s.

The only thing that comes to mind of the 1963 date is from his high school yearbooks that list him in a play but that is a different beast. He spent a year at Santa Barbara Community College before he went to AADA.

Have a good day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NDakotaCelt (talk • contribs) 17:48, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Good to know I made the right call. It seemed oddly specific Meters (talk) 05:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

René Lévesque
If Canada has agreed that the Québecois form their own nation within Canada (not disputing if he was Canadian citizen), and he claims to be Québecois. Why can't it be said that he had Québecois nationality. All relevant authorities (e.g. Canada, René himself and Québec) agreed that it was acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZacharyFilion (talk • contribs) 00:25, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Discuss this on the article's talk page, not mine. Meters (talk) 00:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Meters!


Happy New Year! Meters, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Donner60 (talk) 05:43, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.


 * Thanks. So far so good! Meters (talk) 05:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Meters for guide
Hi dear Meters I hope have a good holiday. You deleted my first manuscript because their sources. I hope reconsider or publish my manuscript again because my first work had a good source and I use your guideline for choosing them.Thanks a lot Forest90 (talk) 11:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)Forest90
 * As I said on your talk page You cannot make a claim such as "world's oldest sauce" without reliable sources to support that claim, and I doubt very much that such sources exist. A newspaper recipe is not a useful ref. Meters (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

--I changed The sauce source-- Hi again Meter,I found the best source which could be find in Internet about my first work "the world oldest sauce" ,please watch my new source and accept that (if it's possible),Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forest90 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * All you did was change the source for the recipe. I don't care about that. What I care about its the claim that this is the oldest sauce in the world. Meters (talk) 20:30, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Common Core and Rube Goldberg
https://hechingerreport.org/common-core-math-problem-hard-supporters-common-core-respond-problematic-math-quiz-went-viral/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Ferroequus (talk • contribs) 05:03, January 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * And, as I said when I removed the external link from Rube Goldberg, "What does this have to do with Rube Goldberg?" Stop spamming this link. Meters (talk) 20:33, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Canadian Statutory Holidays
Hi there Meters,

I'm currently doing a coding project where I'm scraping data from the Wikipedia page about Canadian holidays. I noticed that New Brunswick had Family Day checked for both the 2nd week of February and the 3rd, so I googled it and it looks like it's actually the third. Additionally, I noticed that British Columbia has moved its Family Day as well. I made the change earlier today, but it was reverted, so I created an account and added it back but with some citations this time.

Thanks for taking the time! Hope we're on the same page now! 😇 (Feel free to delete this section once you read it.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcraig3 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry. It appears I missed the difference in dates. Meters (talk) 01:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * undid IP waning. Meters (talk) 01:31, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Your changes to The Norton Knatchbull School
Meters

I write to you in response to a number of changes you undertook to my recent additions to the aforementioned page. Whilst I agree with two of them, the third is questionable. I ask why television coverage of the school shouldn't be considered history. Even if it's not history, why hasn't this been posted under a new section? I await your response.

Sincerely Fantasticbruce — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantasticbruce (talk • contribs) 22:17, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What part of the summary yes students have opinions, but it's not part of the history of the school and it's not needed in the article is not clear? Some school students were interviewed. Big deal. The article is about the school, not the students. Interviewing students about their opinions on Brexit has nothing to do with the school other than the fact that the students happen to be pupils there. I really don't see how this needs to be covered in this article.. If you disagree then please discuss it on the article's talk page where other editors will see it and can comment.
 * And please sign your talk page posts (use ~ ) and link to the article or diff. Meters (talk) 02:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Edits to include information about Charlie Spencer
To Meters. I am not clear of what you are requesting me to do. Donama asked me to start a discussion page to put content to start a discussion with those people in the know. I am merely stating what has been happening in this ugg boot war. Why are you targeting me. I have read the information and all I am doing is stating facts. I am not about to put information of court proceedings until they are over. Why do you think no one has come to me with law suits against me? Because they know what they have done and the information I have is going to 'open a can of worms' allowing manufacturers all over the world to be able to sell their product. Deckers is a monopoly and they obtained the registration fraudulently from a man who stole the idea. All this will come out in due course and I will demand an apology when it does. Thanks Meters but your constant sabotage of Charlies talk page is affecting lives to the point of some people losing their livelihoods. Businesses have been targeted and people have committed suicide because of this company. You can see why it is so very close to my heart. It has to be exposed. Can I please deal with Donama in the future because she explains things a lot clearer and not like someone who is simply harrassing. Thank you for your time but enough is enough. SA surfer (talk) 05:41, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Please link the page in question: Ugg boots ‎.
 * Read the links that have already been provided to you. Provide reliable sources. Don't make non neutral edits. Don't use the talk page as a forum. Don't attack other editors. Disclose your conflict of interest and don't edit articles in which you have a conflict of interest.
 * If you don't understand, then ask someone, because you will likely be blocked if you keep this up. A certain degree of competence is required to edit Wikipedia. If you have read the links we have provided you and you do not understand what you are doing wrong, then this may be a WP:CIR issue.
 * No, you cannot choose who to deal with. The article talk page is to discuss changes to the article. It is not a place for general discussions about the subject. It is not social media. It is not a place to communicate with others who have an interest in the subject. It is not a place for you to request that others post their stories. It is not a place for you to rant about frauds and people stealing ideas, and people committing suicide because of this.
 * I don't know why you think dealing with user:Donama would be better. He or she has also told you not to add that material to the article, that you can be blocked for disruptive behaviour, and to not use the talk page as a forum. I'm done discussing this with you. Your accusations that I am sabotaging the page causing people to lose their jobs, and harassing you are personal attacks. Stay off my talk page, and do not make comments about me on any other pages either. Meters (talk) 06:23, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Couple things
First I'm going to nick your talkpage header. Second, if you're on the lookout for school articles that need help, this is a good place to look. For an IPv6 editor, you'll note he has many friends in common with us. Glad to see you're doing better, and I'm starting to turn the corner too. Hopefully by Easter I'll be back to full strength. I have to be...I have to arrange and conduct our church's Easter music. First test as assistant choirmaster. John from Idegon (talk) 05:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * So far so good. Has not exploded yet so I can probably pull the header now. Glad to hear that you are doing better too.
 * Will check out IP's edits and articles.
 * Wicked cold here.... hit -41.2 C at the airport with a wind chill of -50 (that's -42.2 and -58 F in your terms). For the first time in 30 years in this house we froze a pipe. Two people have frozen to death in the city so far. Meters (talk) 05:48, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The IP is Bob, and I didn't mean to imply their was anything at all negative in his edits. He finds a lot of problem articles.


 * I'm glad I'm in Idegon, but they've forecast us some of that for next week. Last week, wind chills back home in SW Michigan were -100°F too. Had to close schools, not for travel dangers, but because they could only get thy he interior temps up to about 40°F. John from Idegon (talk) 07:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Re: removal of edit from Falls Church page
Hi Meters- Falls Church, Virginia (the specific independent city which that article is about) is not the same as "Falls Church" the general area in Fairfax County that some businesses have in their address.

The article itself includes an important quote: "The city's corporate boundaries do not include all of the area historically known as Falls Church; these areas include portions of Seven Corners and other portions of the current Falls Church postal districts of Fairfax County"

Because the City of Falls Church is NOT in Fairfax County, the two 'Falls Church'es are distinctly different places and are not interchangeable.

The school whose info I deleted from the article is located in a postal district historically called Falls Church, but is not within the city's legal boundaries (in fact it's ~2 miles south of the southern boundary), meaning that it is really in Fairfax County and belongs on the Wiki page for Fairfax County.

It's a little complicated because the name of the "historical" area and the name of the city are the same, but a very clear distinction for people who live in this area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:42:701:9510:7811:8F85:C672:2970 (talk) 04:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Understandable problem.You may well be correct, but you may have to provide reliable sources for that, because right now what we have is a cited source that gives the address of the school as being in Falls Church, Virginia. I won't undo you again, but someone else may if you don't provide sources. It might help to explain the situation of the talk page too..Meters (talk) 05:50, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

East Carolina University Student Government Association
If you've got time, could you take a look at this odd article? Not just poorly written, but basically unsourced. The 2nd reference to casc.org goes to a Rick Astley YouTube. It names a lot of people who aren't notable, says one was impeached, etc. I especially love the last bit:

"2019-2020

Candidates who have filed have begun their campaigns. There are 2 presidential tickets. Ticket 1 is Presidential Candidate Colin Johnson and Vice Presidential Candidate Taylor Chappell. Ticket 2 is Presidential Candidate Shelby Hudson and Vice Presidential Candidate AJ Modlin. Student Body President-elect or runoff election if a tie TBA the evening after voting closes at 5:00 PM UTC-5 on Friday, 22 February 2019."

If you don't have time can you suggest who might or where I should take this? All those names of living people bother me almost as much as the unencylopedic nature of the article. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 12:09, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , I redirected it to the school. Clearly WP:NOT. John from Idegon (talk) 16:58, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Good idea. Doug Weller  talk 17:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll keep an eye on it. It was redirected after a merge discussion, and this is the second time it has come back. Meters (talk) 00:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Wasn't aware of that. If it comes back, it should probably go to AfD so the groundwork is there for salt. This is not now nor can I see how it ever will be a notable topic. I doubt student government at Penn State or University of Texas (the 2 biggest U's in the US) would ever be notable, much less a second level state U. John from Idegon (talk) 00:21, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Griffith
'Why would anyone ever mistake these two?' I dont know, but maybe it could be that they are both mountains/hills? 101.178.163.19 (talk) 04:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you even look at the articles? Mount Griffith is a mountain in Antarctica, and Griffith Park is is a well-known park in Los Angeles. No one is likely to get them mixed up. Meters (talk) 05:32, 15 February 2019 (UTC).
 * blocked 2 years Meters (talk) 04:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Long list of shops
Thanks. Iwas also reverted here and there is a related discussion on my talk page. Doug Weller talk 20:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I suspect that this is a sock who has a long history of disruptive commerce-relates edits He was pushing a supposed continuation of Consumer's Distributing. Someone obtained the vacant web domain and the early edits were lining to a non-functioning webstore on that domain. Looks like someone has now managed to register something under the same name, but even if correct I would consider this to be  a non-notable new entity, and something we don't need to cover i this article. Meters (talk) 20:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, we do discuss the new entity in the article, but it's certainly not correct to say that that is a continuation of the original company. And as you pointed out, we don't need a listing of the hundreds of former stores. Meters (talk) 21:03, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Gadolinium
Meters:

While I appreciate your requirement to source my added comment, I have to wonder why this untrue statement (" However, chelated gadolinium(III) compounds are far less toxic because they carry gadolinium(III) through the kidneys and out of the body before the free ion can be released into the tissues.")is allowed to be published, unchallenged and unsourced. According to the FDA, gadolinium is retained in the body:

"[12-19-2017 ] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is requiring a new class warning and other safety measures for all gadolinium-based contrast agents (GBCAs) for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) concerning gadolinium remaining in patients’ bodies, including the brain, for months to years after receiving these drugs." https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm589213.htm

And since it has been proven that gadolinium is retained in the body for months to years, we also know the chelator applied to the gadolinium ion quickly disassociates after being injected into the body, leaving free and toxic gadolinium ions in the body that embeds in the brain, bone and tissue. There is no safe and 100% effective antidote to remove the gadolinium.

"...the dissociation of gadolinium ions from their chelating ligands has been accepted as the primary etiology, which is more likely to occur in patients with renal failure than in those with normal renal function because the excretion rate is reduced in the former, allowing time for the chelates to disassociate in vivo." http://www.ajnr.org/content/37/7/1192

It would be appreciated if you would return my comment.Hardmoney1 (talk) 16:23, 3 March 2019 (UTC)hardmoney1
 * I didn't add that content. I don't know anything about gadolinium, and I can't speak to whether the content is correct. The content has been in the article for many years, which suggests that other editors accept is as being accurate, but if you don't think it is correct then please challenge it and attempt to improve the article. My talk page is not the correct venue to discuss the article content. You made one completely unsourced edit with medical claims to the lead of a article. I correctly undid you. If you have legitimate concerns about the article then please discuss them on the article's talk page so that other editors, more knowledgeable than me about gadolinium and WP:MEDRS, can see and participate in the discussion.
 * I have to say though, when a brand new account (Peterasoto) shows up and makes a single spammy edit to add a "How to remove Gadolinium from the Human body safely" link to the article, and then another new account is immediately created and makes a single edit to the same article with the same "gadolinium is not a as safe as the medical field would have you believe" idea I get suspicious that it is the same editor. And your username (Hardmoney1) doesn't inspire confidence. Meters (talk) 20:56, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Neither editor even made any other article edits other than the one to the article in question. Meters (talk) 02:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

your recent message
hi hello, so i think you made a mistake with changing the Glenala State High School wikipedia page. what i said was factual and important for people who want to know about the subject. please change it back.

regards, whynotshitehead Whynotshitehead (talk) 07:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I will not restore it. It was unsourced and the claim that the school was famous in its community for the the number of bullies was inappropriate. Your username is also inappropriate. I would have reported it myself but you were already listed. Meters (talk) 07:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Gender bias on Wikipedia
Hi.

The summary as it is right now, puts men and women at a zero-sum game of content percentage: 'This has led to Wikipedia having fewer and less extensive articles about women or topics important to women.'

Is it as if men writing mostly about things they like somehow prohibits women from doing the same, or is it that men do not write about things that are mostly in women's area of interest? Or some other subtlety that is not even hinted in the article summary?

What - in your opinion - is wrong with stating that 'This has led to Wikipedia having more content devoted to white men's interests and - at least partially described from male perspective.'?

Maybe I am not qualified to read and comprehend WP articles, since I do not get what the article tries to accomplish, as the problem statement is nowhere to be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TadzioPazur (talk • contribs) 10:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Please sign your talk page posts with 4 tildes ~
 * 2) I've had no interaction with you under your account name. It's not a good idea to out yourself by connecting your IP to your username (see WP:PRIVACY). Do you really want me to connect your username to your IP by discussing edits you made as an IP and the warnings I left on the IP's talk page?
 * 3) When asking about edits please link to the article in question (by enclosing the article name in doubled square brackets) or provide a diff to the edit in question (see WP:SDG), particularly if you are going to ask questions from a different IP or account. I edit hundreds of pages every week and I don't want to have to search through my history to try and guess what someone is referring to. Meters (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Racial Bias on Wikipedia
Responding to: :Hello, I'm Meters. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Talk:Racial bias on Wikipedia that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Meters (talk) 09:44, 6 March 2019 (UTC)    [struck copy of warning I left that was copied here complete with my signature]

My comment: has been deemed by you as 'not very civil' and removed.

What does that mean (what, exactly is either impolite or disrespectful) in the edit I made?

How (if at all) could I add to the conversation?

Are there any written applicable standards of communication among WP contributors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TadzioPazur (talk • contribs) 10:39, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Don't quote warnings. It makes it took like a warning was placed where it was not. I have struck it.
 * 2) Don't copy signatures. It makes it look like someone has posted where they did not. I have struck it.
 * 3) Don't copy material that has already been deleted as a personal attack. I have redacted it.
 * 4) See my comments in your previous thread. They all apply here too. Meters (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Cathedral Catholic High School
Hello, I added Scott Peterson as a notable alumni. He was removed and the reasoning being that he is an alumni of the "University of San Diego High School" the predecessor to CCHS. If this is to be the standard than I believe we should remove the following as well:

Phil Mickelson, Stephen Gonsalves, Luke Walton, as they are all alumni of USDHS and not CCHS. During my time as a student there the faculty and administration referred to alumni of USDHS as alumni of CCHS, even though they are two seperate entities. Would you consider adding Scott Peterson back in light of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:D641:AE00:90A1:FAB8:3D07:3ADB (talk) 15:48, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. My apologies for missing that.. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. Meters (talk) 19:12, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Speaking as a San Diegan myself, I understand the dilemma and I think this is a question complicated enough to be decided on the talk pages of the articles. I will start a discussion there about how to handle USDHS alumni: should they be listed at both articles, or just the USDHS article, or at the CCHS article with a link from USDHS? I will post at Talk:Cathedral Catholic High School and see if we can get a consensus. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:15, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I thought that this was the same school and it had changed its name, otherwise the "other name" field in the infobox makes no sense. I'll keep an eye on the discussion. Meters (talk) 19:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC).

Name
So your Wikipedia username is Meters. I’m pretty sure you like the metric system. I like the metric system too, hence the “Metric” in my name. MetricSupporter89 (talk) 02:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I like the metric system, but my username comes from the measuring instruments version of "meters". I also have the account user:Metres as a doppelgänger account to prevent impersonation. Meters (talk) 04:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Does not work
Hi Meters, I've put a new image and I cannot see the caption, even though there is one.175.103.25.137 (talk) 06:43, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Pleas provide links to the article or diffs to the edit next time. Another editor has already removed your edit so  there's nothing to do. Meters (talk) 06:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * And a third editor has restored it. I believe the problem was that you had it formatted as a simple picture, which uses the text for a mouse over rather than a caption. I've fixed it, and corrected the caption ("women in a Mexican club" not "Mexican women in a club". Meters (talk) 07:54, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Please do not revert edit concerning topics you are not informed on
HI you have left an inappropriate comment on my page and proceeded to revert my minor edit due to a bogus reason. I would suggest you inform yourself on this topic before engaging in an edit war.Xexor (talk)
 * I assume this is Prince Edward Island? Farsi is listed in the Canadian Oxford Dictionary and is used on the Canadian Census we are referencing. It is not correct to say that we cannot use that word because it is not English. I simply restored the article to the original version. If you think it should be changed then take the issue to the article's talk page per WP:BRD. Meters (talk) 23:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not correct to say that I was edit warring. I undid you and an IP who both incorrectly claimed that "Farsi" is not an English word and so shouldn't be used, even though I noted that it appears in the Canadian Oxford Dictionary and in the Canadian Census we are sourcing. I assume that you also made the IP edit. I asked you to discuss it on the talk page. And now another editor, user:Bonadea, has undone you also. If there is some valid reason we should prefer "Persian" over "Farsi" please discuss it on the talk page, but simply claiming that "Farsi" cannot be used because it is not an English word is not a valid argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meters (talk • contribs) 06:42, March 12, 2019 (UTC)

Milkshake
With regards to the Milkshake article, I'm an author (Fix the Pumps: The History of the American Soda Fountain) and yes the reference is to my website where I write about drinks and document these things. But, the fact is the wikipedia history section is wrong, period, and that piece of misinformation has spread to dozens of sites. Those dozen websites are directly quoting or duplicating that piece of misinformation. The book reference in the old article is from 1984 and it is wrong, plus they don't cite the newspaper they got the information from in 1984, though I've looked I can't find it the piece of information they are quoting. I have cited the newspaper article where my source comes from, but because it comes from a paid research service (Newsbank) you can't access it unless you pay (or work at University). Googling stuff is not real research. I also have a copy of the article/milk shake ad on my website, so people can view it, hence the link. I can't however post that image to Wikipedia because of the strict copyright policy Wikipedia has, nor am I going to duplicate the whole post. I doubt you even looked at the page that I linked too, but if you did you would realize it was real, decent research. If you don't want properly researched info on Wikipedia please feel free to leave that old misinformation up and remove my paragraph. And yes I have two minor issues in 13 years. Dsoneil (talk) 22:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Of course I looked a the source. I don't undo an edit for using a non-WP:RS source without actually looking at the source, and I wouldn't have suspected that it was sourced to your personal webpage if I hadn't looked at it and realized that the webpage was by "Darcy O'Neil", almost certainly the same person as the editor making the edit. I also wouldn't have pointed out that you have been warned for this before if I hadn't noticed that your COI edit linking to the same website got you warned for spamming in 2010.
 * I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that you have had only two warnings in 13 years. You do know that we can see every edit you've ever made, don't you? You have made only made 39 edits in that time, and almost every one of your edits was either to link to your website or to source to your book. You may not have been warned every time, but there's a reason all of your edits have been undone. I pointed you on your talk page to WP:RS, WP:BRD, and WP:OR. And now that you're restored your edit again I've pointed you to WP:EW. Please also read WP:COI. Again, if there is material that should be changed, discuss it on the article's talk page. Meters (talk) 05:24, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Your understanding of Wikipedia copyright and sourcing is sadly lacking if you think that you have to point to a copy of a 133-year-old newspaper article hosted on your page to allow Wikipedia to source it. Meters (talk) 05:31, 17 March 2019 (UTC)


 * It is not worth the effort trying to contribute to Wikipedia. My information is valid and if your concern is link=bad then so be it. You are not "editing" you are managing territory. Dsoneil (talk) 11:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you consider what you are doing as contributing here rather than the blatant self promotion it is, well, please feel free to stop. No one will mind, and we will lose nothing. There are plenty of self anointed experts over in political articles if anyone gets really desperate to interact with one. John from Idegon (talk) 16:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * And how am I "managing territory"? That appears to be an unfounded accusation of WP:OWNERSHIP of Milkshake, Aside from undoing your contested edit and asking you to discuss it on the talk page my only other edits to this article were to undo an edit describing milkshakes as "food" rather than "beverages" and to undo some inappropriate switching between American and British English.
 * Again, if you have concerns with the material in the article then please discuss those concerns on the talk page. I'm am not an expert on the subject, but Wikipedia has procedures for determining which sources may be considered reliable and which contributors may be considered experts in their fields. Maybe you qualify as an expert. Maybe your book and your webpage qualify as reliable sources. Maybe the existing sources are not. I don't know. But if you  are not willing to attempt to engage than it is moot. Meters (talk) 19:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * No, you do loose something, which is historical accuracy and since Wikipedia ranks high in Google searches people trust what is on that page. Unfortunately, lots of websites are directly quoting or using the copy directly for the history the milkshake, which is not accurate at all. It's old research, that wasn't accurate to begin with. I do research on drinks for a living, I've written a book on it, I've been nominated for Cocktail Writer of the Year and for Best New Cocktail Book, by my peers, in 2011 for my research on soda fountain history. And I try to contribute to the open idea of Wikipedia (information should be free, but only if it is accurate at the time of publication), I am not a spammer, though yes I have attempted to improve the world of drinks by pointing to historically proper research on my site, consider it more ignorance on my part in the early days. For the milkshake article, I changed one paragraph but referenced in the paragraph the source newspaper, year and date (it doesn't require a reference in the footnotes at that point) and provided a summation of the complete research that I referenced on my site because there is more to the history. And anyone who has worked in an academic or publishing world knows 100% that to not credit the author in another publication (even if it is yourself) is plagiarism. I shouldn't have to get NPR or CBC to do a story about my research to prove to Wikipedia that I know what I'm talking about, it's all referenced in my 1500 word post, images and patent references included. And yes I would contribute more of this information, but at this point I've written a dozen paragraphs trying to explain why I changed a single paragraph. That is a lot of effort. Also, my updates to Cream Soda and the Coffee Cabinet have been removed and I've been label a spammer by MrOllie because I linked to to my research. In my defence for that, the Rhode Island Coffee Cabinet, the states official drink, is a euphemism for toilet and to state that requires significant research, but I can prove it, but it needs a reference to my research otherwise I look like a jerk, or no one will believe it. Last fact, Wikipedia drives almost zero traffic to a site on pages like the milkshake or the Coffee Cabinet (most people don't even know that was a thing), the links are no-follow so there is not gain there, and I don't run ads on my site, other than my own internal ones. But if someone posted that your states official drink was a euphemism for a toilet, wouldn't you want to know who was making that claim and to see their research? I'm trying to engage, but this is way too much work for a few paragraphs of edits. Give people a chance, don't label them a spammer so quickly. If the research looks reasonable, you as an editor should consider it, that's what editors who publish books do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsoneil (talk • contribs) 02:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You were told in two edit summaries to take this to the article's talk page. You were told on your talk page to discuss it on the article's talk page. You've been told twice on this page to discuss it on the article's talk page. For the sixth time, if there is material that should be changed in Milkshake, discuss it on the article's talk page. Not here. Article content discussions belong on the articles' talk pages, not on user pages.
 * If consensus on the talk page is that your book or your webpage are not acceptable as reliable sources and you wish to get a wider audience then WP:RSN is the correct venue. As I said before Maybe you qualify as an expert. Maybe your book and your webpage qualify as reliable sources. Maybe the existing sources are not. I don't know. But if you are not willing to attempt to engage than it is moot. And by "engage", I mean engage on the article's talk page. If you had put the time and effort you spent on my talk page into a discussion on the article's talk page this would likely have been dealt with by now.
 * And please don't take me to task for what other editors have done. I have never edited Cream soda or Coffee cabinet. I didn't call you a spammer (actually the term was ref spammer) for your edits to those articles, or any other articles, but I can understand why user:MrOllie undid your edits to both of those articles. You sourced material to your personal website, and you made an unsourced reference to yourself as an expert in the field ("according to author Darcy S. O'Neil"). Meters (talk) 03:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The reason I am taking you to task is because you could be a better "editor". Instead of being a technocrat and justifying your position on edit removals as spam, dig a little deeper, put some effort into it, stop pointing at policy documents and actually help someone. As you said, when you reviewed my edits, you went to my website and effectively looked for guilt, then you claim to know nothing about the topic and can't determine whether I'm an expert of not. If you don't know something, don't just point people to different documents and label their entry as spam, do some research or be helpful! Wikipedia is loosing people who contribute, or could improve the information, but your approach is exactly why people don't want to contribute (I could point to many documents, but that's not helpful). It's just a painful experience and amongst my peers, in the drink world, it is no way isolated. The circular argument gets bothersome: no-one can determined if I'm an expert, but I can't create/edit my own Wikipedia entry, so we have to wait patiently until someone does, but that means I can't reference myself or my own research, so flasehood must remain on Wikipedia polluting the world with poorly verified info. This is all over a paragraph on a milkshake, no wonder people don't want to contribute, could you image if this was something important? And yes I will take it to Talk, but editors like you and user:MrOllie aren't the friendliest ambassadors to the Wikipedia project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsoneil (talk • contribs) 16:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, I didn't call you a spammer. Someone else did.
 * First you accuse me of not even bothering to look at the source you added, and now you accuse me of looking at the source in an attempt to find guilt. No, as I already explained, I look at new sources to determine if they are reliable. When I did so it seemed very likely that you were sourcing your material to your own personal website.
 * I don't have to be an expert on milkshakes to know that an editor sourcing material to his own personal website (and more than once) is not normally acceptable. I've pointed you to Wikipedia's information on what you are doing wrong (WP:RS, WP:BRD, WP:COI, WP:OR and WP:EW) I've pointed you to where to raise the issue of whether you can be considered an expert in your field and whether you book is a reliable source (WP:RSN). And that's not a circular argument. Having a Wikipedia article merely means the subject is notable. That's not the same as being a subject expert. Having a Wikipedia article is not a requirement for being considered a subject expert, and being a subject expert is certainly not a requirement for people to have Wikipedia articles. I've asked you repeatedly to discuss the material on the article's talk page..You might want to read WP:IDHT.
 * I'm done wasting my time repeating myself here. I will not respond here about this again. Please do not post here again about this. If you want to improve the article, then discuss it on the article's talk page, not here. Meters (talk) 19:34, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * More than two weeks later, and the user has still not discussed this on the article's talk page, as he said he would. Meters (talk) 00:00, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * More than three months later and the user has still not discussed this on the article's talk page, as he said he would. Seems ot have abandoned this. Meters (talk) 02:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

It's not my homework!
It arises in a discussion at a forum. --Roland (talk) 04:55, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It may not be your homework, but it certainly is WP:NOTAFORUM, as I said. Did you read the link? Stop asking talk page questions that have nothing to do with the articles. The talk pages are for discussing the content of the articles, not for general discussions. Meters (talk) 04:59, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia already has an article titled Gravity train, talking about a train traveling purely by gravity in a hypothetical tunnel that goes through the center of the Earth. So the atmospheric pressure at the center of the Earth is not entirely irrelevant, in my opinion. --Roland (talk) 05:56, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , that is where the problem arises. Your opinion is completely irrelevant, as is mine, and Meters. All that matters is what reliable sources say. So if you do not wish to continue having problems in that regard, keep your opinions to yourself and base all your talk page postings on arguments from reliable sources or Wikipedia policies and guidelines. To do otherwise is to invite a block for repeated WP:NOTFORUM violations. John from Idegon (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you wish to consider the issue of air pressure at the middle of a tunnel through the earth for inclusion in Gravity train, then discuss it ton that article's talk page. Many of your talk page posts appear to me to be WP:NOTAFORUM violations.
 * The talk pages are for discussing improvements to the articles. Don't have general discussions about the topic, Don't tell us about what kind of modelling you do, or what words should be retired from the English language and what new words should be invented to replace them, or ask us if there is a name for a particular function, etc. Meters (talk) 22:54, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Eswatini
As that IP editor is probably the same one from before he/she/other pronoun is highly unlikely to listen to you or anyone else.Said editor cannot seem to comprehend that "also known as" carries no hint of officialdom, only of fairly common usage. --Khajidha (talk) 20:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * and Meters, I trust you both are aware of a WP:LTA sock commonly referred to as the "also known as" sock? I have no idea what name the LTA case is under. You may wish to enquire of a CU if you wish to take it further. John from Idegon (talk) 01:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Doesn't ring a bell, and I don't have a listing for that case in my index, so I've likely never participated in it. Meters (talk) 01:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Sockpuppets or colluders?
With this irrelevant Colorado Democrat Party debacle, I noticed that the IP address that most recently posted at the Edit warring page that talks about my minuet revert is the same IP Address that sided with the guy who is currently griping at the California Republican Party page. The IP address is 108.252.124.176... Thoughts? Aviartm (talk) 04:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * So? IPs have opinions. Some of those IPs' opinions may agree with those of a particular named user and some may not.. Unless there's an extended pattern of a particular IP showing up to support a particular named user all you have is a coincidence. If all you have is one occasion, it's not even a coincidence, it's just happenstance. If you want to make accusations of socking, then do it at WP:SPI, but don't go there unless you have a real case. Meters (talk) 04:53, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Understandable. Since 2600:1700:7A51:10B0:F0AD:723C:E915:D034 is so new, starting today, this is the first in a possible notice of coordinated efforts to manipulate consensus. Even looking at 108.252's | contributions, they have consistently contested the 'Ideologies' section of States' political party wikis. Aviartm (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Trouted (but only with a little trout)
I'm in a good mood today and about to take a wikibreak, and I'm pretty sure I've done stuff like that myself in the past, so you get away with a little trout. Linguist111 my talk page 09:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup. Slow screen updates sometimes lead to completely unexpected misclicks.. Meters (talk) 00:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Removal of content from Lauren Phillips

 * Please do not change edits on Lauren Phillips. I have discussed why I am changing the article in the talk page. Kiara Cole (talk) 04:18, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I am not sure of what you mean by Hijacking. Why is this wrong? Kiara Cole (talk) 04:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


 * You hijacked an article about a Welsh actress and replaced it with one about an American porn actress. They are not the same person. They were born in different countries, and in different years.Meters (talk) 04:22, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It was also a WP:COPYVIO from a non-reliable source, and a WP:BLP violation. Meters (talk) 04:47, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Content on Greendale, Wis Page
Hi Meters - you are obviously an experience editor. I am not. In regards to Sarah Pfisterer, do I need to create a separate article for her in order to list her as a notable person? Is starring in five Broadway Musicals enough to make one notable (assuming I can find good references for all those)?

Also, the editor "Party City" has been adding information to the page that seems to be designed to depict Greendale as a racist community. For instance the references to covenants for racial exclusion. I do not see similar notations for other surrounding communities, which also had such covenants. Is this a subject I should raise for review by more experienced editors?

Sleeve Honest (talk) 17:57, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We're cross posting. See your talk page for the issue of Sarah Pfisterer. She may well be notable, but the cited sources are insufficient to allow her to be added to a notable persons list without an article. I would suggest an article be written first.
 * I'm already watching Party City's edits and have raised the issue with another experienced editor. Meters (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * And he's at it again. John from Idegon (talk) 22:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Warned Party City for EW.  I think this is the sixth they have added this, and as you pointed out, it's actually a district issue, not a school issue. Meters (talk) 23:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Reported at ANEW. Did a pretty piss poor job. You may want to add your $0.02. John from Idegon (talk) 03:10, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

JH Putman school
Hey, I found this out https://jhputmanps.ocdsb.ca/news/what_s_new/invitation about the school closing. Also I was personally told about this by staff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingzwest (talk • contribs) 21:53, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be better to find media coverage, but that will do for now.I'll add it to the article when I get back online if you have not already done so. What you were told by staff is not useful as it is unverifiable and considered original research.  Meters (talk) 21:59, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Downers Grove South High School
Hey, buddy. If you've got a small perch handy, you might want to smack yourself with it. Illinois (and a few other states) sanction competition fishing. South has a team. See this. And now, back to Twin Peaks. John from Idegon (talk) 03:23, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Live and learn. Meters (talk) 18:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Infobox
Hi meters, sorry for adding that note to the infobox, saw it on some other Wikipedia articles and transferred it over - was obviously not suitable so, sorry about that. I understand that I’m not an owner of the article, nor the school just a rookie editor. Thanks for showing me the way!!! Did not intend to issue any authority with that comment either, but I do understand it’s not appropriate. Thank you for clarifying what is acceptable and what is a minor edit on Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePolitix (talk • contribs) 22:22, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries. Lengthy answer with intro and links on your talkpage, where you posted similar response. Meters (talk) 22:58, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Christian Educational Consortium Page
Hello Meters. I was the one who left the edits about the Christian Educational Consortium page about the car fire. the fire really did happen, and the email is real as well. the reason why the citations were bogus is because I really dont know how to cite an email and there hasn't been any news coverage on it. I believe that this information is important and should be shared. I can send screenshots of the email and prove that it happened. I kinda wrote the edit out of spite because of how "advertisey" the article sounded. I wanted to prove that my school isn't all gumballs and rainbows. But you fixed that and I wanted to say thank you for that. if there is anything you can do to help me to add this section and make it legit, I would greatly appreciate it. thanks, eclark420 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eclark420 (talk • contribs) 01:18, May 4, 2019 (UTC)


 * FYI. Prodd'd. John from Idegon (talk) 02:28, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was going to do something with it but you beat me to it.
 * The material does not belong in the article. A car fire in the parking lot is of no interest to general readers, and neither is the letter the car owner supposedly wrote. And, as I said on your talk page, the fact hat you used completely bogus references made it clear that this was not a good faith edit. If you want to be taken seriously then don't source unrelated things to Garfield the Cat and the Bible.Meters (talk) 02:56, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you restore the prod you removed, would that count as a second prod? You've pretty clearly shown this isn't a school but a home school facilitator and I haven't found even one reliable secondary source. John from Idegon (talk) 21:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think so. We'll have to speedy or AFD it rather than prodding. Sorry, guess I should have left the PROD while I looked into it. Meters (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * And I don't think there are any speedy categories this falls under. Just the fact that it claims to be a school is sufficient to rule out an A7, for example. Meters (talk) 22:06, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Asked for help finding sources to show notability on talk page. If nothing then will take to AFD. Meters (talk) 07:47, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * deleted per Articles for deletion/Christian Educational Consortium Meters (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Padmé Amidala
Hello, Meters, thanks for reaching out to me about my edit. The information that I added is based on what is presented in the movie, as was the writing that my edit replaced. I wonder, when a movie synopsis is written on Wikipedia, what citations are required? Why is it that this point in the character's article would require a citation whereas there are none for the majority of other points? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerfectDebate (talk • contribs) 05:45, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
 * Please sign talk page posts with 4 tildes.
 * I wasn't looking at the rest of the article, I was looking at your edit, where you claimed that it was "a logical interpretation" and that you were undoing a previous revert, which I can't see. The film itself is s source for plot events, but interpretations, such as the one you added, require sources. Meters (talk) 05:51, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Shawarma
How on earth are Middle East Eye and the New Arab (two of the foremost sources on Middle Eastern affairs), plus the Independent, non-reliable sources? You really need to be clear how you came to that conclusion. Also, another admin reviewed the content there and passed no comment on it, merely noting that we need to take care over the issue of Israel-Palestine. So this is very bizarre from you. Innovative Username (talk) 21:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * This is a content dispute and you have already been undone. Take this to the 'article's talkpage. As I said, It's POV, some of the sources are not reliable, and it does not belong in that section at all. Per WP:BRD you should have taken this to the talk page the first time you were undone. Other editors have already told you about edit warring and the discretionary sanctions on the Arab–Israeli conflict .The original news [clarification by Meters after subsequent posts] article simply says that it is an iconic food. Arguing that this is cultural appropriation is arguably putting this edit into discretionary sanctions territory. And your claim that you r addition was approved by an admin appears to be nothing but an attempt to bully the IP. Meters (talk) 21:41, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * You cannot take it to the talk page of a non-user. Their IP has probably already changed. Thanks, but very useless information to be honest. Have a great day. Innovative Username (talk) 22:05, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Read what I wrote. I even bolded it for you. "Take this to the 'article's talkpage." Meters (talk) 22:08, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , I think you're talking about me? I placed a notice about WP:ARBPIA on your talk page, because it's something you should be aware of. Neither Meters nor I are admins. No-one has approved your edits, and two other editors have explicitly said they disapprove, which means the edits don't have consensus. Please take any further discussion of the article's content to the article's talk page as Meters has advised, thanks. And please, comment on the content, not the contributor. I hope this clears up any misunderstandings. --IamNotU (talk) 22:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Civility - Please stop littering my talk page with False Accustions and Threats
Please read the talk page on the Prince Edward island article before making false accusations of "edit warring" on my talk page as well as accusing me of false edits.

Also, Please stop making threats based on these false accusations. Please read Wikipedia guidelines on Civility for more information.

Your edits on my page can be called vandalism.Xoltron (talk)
 * You have been undone by more than one editor, you have been warned, multiple editors ahve discussed this, we've provided you with reliable sources that show that "Farsi" is indeed an English word, and we have shown you that the Canadian demographic source we are citing uses "Farsi". As I said on your talk page, since you appear to be using two named accounts and an IP to make this edit, and have already been warned for edit warring for this edit on one of those accounts, I added an edit warring warning. If you continue to make this edit this will end up on either WP:EW or WP:SPI. And calling my warning a threat and a false accusation is not going to help. Meters (talk) 03:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Guatemala last names
Umm actually you can search up those last names on forebears and the numbers well come up Temiru.chapincito502 (talk) 03:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The article cites a particular source. You cannot change the data in the article but still claim to be using the same source. If you have newer reliable sources then add them to the article and update the entire table. Meters (talk) 04:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

A goat for you for removing unsourced content!
Thank you for removing unsourced content from wikipedia!

Viewratio (talk) 20:19, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 
 * Looks like another case of people promoting some social media stupidity. If it keeps up the article will end up protected. Meters (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hell, Michigan protected, as expected.Meters (talk) 21:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Hounding and Harrassment
@meters I am requesting that you cease all communication with me as you are hounding me. Do not post about me or on my page anymore. Ivanvector invited Bonadea, who was not an editor on the page so that is vote stacking. Also, as a white person, you should not be dictating to non-whites about their identity or language. That is cultural imperialism and racist. It is for the Persian people to decide what to call their language. Colonialism is dead. I just notified you. Sookie7 (talk) 14:01, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is Bonadea's edit on the page. As I said in response to your threat on my talk page, I invited all participants. Please stop posting inaccurate accusations. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not dictating to anyone about their identity or language. Persians may call themselves whatever they like. As we've pointed out to you multiple times, despite your claims that "Farsi" is not an English word, it is used in English, and in the official government source that we are citing.
 * Why do you assume I'm White? There are no pictures of me on Wikipedia or elsewhere online, and I've never stated my race.that I know of. Do you think that all of the editors who have objected to your edits are White simply because they have undone you or not agreed with you? Who's the racist now?
 * That's at least three editors you have now accused over this Stop doing this or you will end up at ANI. Meters (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Sean Young of Lakeside High School
Hello Meters.

My name is John M Baran and I was the one who posted the notation in the Lakeside High School-Atlanta-DeKalb County, Ga Famous Alumni section about Sean Young.

There is no public or notated references linking her to Lakeside...except for a yearbook photo taken in 1974, which I will provide you. She was in the Marching Band with me...played flute. She traveled to Miami in December 1973 to perform with the band for the King Orange Jamboree Parade, the nighttime parade aligned with the Orange Bowl.

Her mother worked as an office manager for the Southern Ballet in Atlanta for one year. The owner of the school and company was Corey Pittmann. He is deceased and the school dissolved.

Posted below are photos taken from the 1974 Lakeside yearbook "Vahalla" and from a parent at the school the morning we left for Florida. Sean is seen wearing a hat.

She was always wearing a hat in school...

The yearbook can be found at Classmates.com

https://www.classmates.com/siteui/yearbooks/1000246554

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BX2r3dYahvnk-9uAfbVpDGxzfjwPX9K3

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PW1g3KER-dcAbiGpP4d1oLz2lQ_GFnXc

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_pe1KZsBhlzvvk3kTK7MZoS5_kZJ0wl4

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cHy0eEIHWKg8tFh9IGpiR2lP5VmD0ZVs

Please let me know if you need further information..

John Michael Baran, Class of 1975 02:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.174.106 (talk)


 * Certainly someone named Sean Young attended, but how do we know it's the same person? I'm not saying that you are making this up, but I'm not sure if a couple of yearbook pictures of someone named Sean Young are sufficient as reliable sources. Certainly the picture of a girl wearing a hat with your recollection  that Sean always wore a hat is not useful.
 * I can't find any reliable sources to confirm her attendance at Lakeside High School (DeKalb County, Georgia). Her bio on her own web site http://maryseanyoung.com/MarySeanYoung.com/Bio.html does not mention this school. It says that she "attended Cleveland Heights High School in Cleveland Heights, Ohio and then transferred to and graduated from Interlochen Arts Academy in Interlochen, Michigan" We have the articles Cleveland Heights High School and Interlochen Center for the Arts (which includes the high school Interlochen Arts Academy), both of which list her as an alumnus.So, she mentions in her bio just one of the high schools she attended but did not graduate from? Not impossible, but a bit odd. I think you are going to need more than just pictures.  Meters (talk) 05:27, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Forgot to link her article at Sean Young.
 * The question of using high school yearbooks as sources has been raised multiple times at the reliable sources noticeboard WP:RSN. There does not seem to be a definitive answer, but using such a publication as a sole source for someone's attendance is  seen as particularly problematic, for exactly the reason I raised. We can't be sure that the person in the yearbook is the notable person. It's particularly iffy when we don't even have any evidence putting the person in the same state, let alone the same city, as the high school in question. Sean Young wasn't born in Georgia, neither of the high schools that we know she attended are in Georgia, and there's no mention of Georgia in her self-published bio or her Wikipedia article. Meters (talk) 05:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Excuse me, Sir. I have no idea who you are in reference to Wikipeadia or how you decide which information is to be included in your postings....but the information I posted is correct. It IS the same Sean Young who was in the films listed. She mentioned that she attended Lakeside in an interview with Jim Whaley's "Cinema Showcase" back in 1980 when she was promoting "Stripes" and "Blade Runner" Contact WPBA-TV Channel 30 in Atlanta. I have been reading Wiki for years...and I see many sources that have no references at all...and they are allowed in. Should I send you my personal yearbook with her photo in it? Everything I mentioned...her mother's job in Atlanta...the fact that she was a dancer from NYC [redacted]....perhaps her Hollywood manager doesn't want this information out. You can ask Jay Sekelow about her; he dated her in High School!!!!

You need to lighten up. I can have about 100 people from Lakeside flood this site of yours if I ask them...that is strictly up to you. But I am telling you that you need to place Sean's name back on the site...because she did attend the school. Inquire at DeKalb County Schools...they will tell you the same thing.

John M Baran.

ftw...I am screenshoting this for my Facebook page...and the Lakeside Alumni page for their insight, Meters!!47.16.174.106 (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you choose to do so, you can pound a nail in with butt of your pistol, but that sure doesn't make a hammer a gun. John from Idegon (talk) 06:29, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * All I asked was that you provide a reliable source proving that she attended the school, as is required when you are requested to do so Which claims are sourced in other articles is irrelevant. Your claim that you personally know that she attended is useless since we cannot verify it. As I already explained (more than once), we do not know that the person named "Sean Young" in the yearbook is the actress, and we have no sources that even mention the actress living  in the same state. let alone in the same town as the school. If we had a source that proved that she had lived in that town I mighty have left the school claim in the article with a request for a source, but as it is I won't.
 * Threatening to disrupt Wikipedia by having "about 100 people from Lakeside flood this site" is not a good idea. You might want to read WP:MEAT.
 * And your unsourced claims about other personal life are a WP:BLP violation. I have redacted them. Please do not repeat them. Meters (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

No article
Hi. You don't need an article, if the person meets GNG, and you show the connection via RSs. --2604:2000:E010:1100:4BB:9F3E:F7C0:134B (talk) 01:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not that simple. If you want to add someone without a wikipedia article to a list of notable people, it is up to you to provide sufficient sourcesi n the list entry to show that the person meets the list inclusion criteria (attendance at a given school, residency, whatever) and that they would clearly qualify for an article if one were written.  That is a high hurdle. You are attempting to add  Chip Skowron to multiple articles because he was convicted of insider trading.  Per WP:PERPETRATOR  he does not appear to qualify for an article as a criminal.  He does not meet WP:ANYBIO, so you need to show that he meets WP:BASIC. or WP:GNG.. One source mentioning him is not sufficient.to show his notability. See WP:WTAF. Meters (talk) 01:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not that simple. If you want to add someone without a wikipedia article to a list of notable people, it is up to you to provide sufficient sourcesi n the list entry to show that the person meets the list inclusion criteria (attendance at a given school, residency, whatever) and that they would clearly qualify for an article if one were written.  That is a high hurdle. You are attempting to add  Chip Skowron to multiple articles because he was convicted of insider trading.  Per WP:PERPETRATOR  he does not appear to qualify for an article as a criminal.  He does not meet WP:ANYBIO, so you need to show that he meets WP:BASIC. or WP:GNG.. One source mentioning him is not sufficient.to show his notability. See WP:WTAF. Meters (talk) 01:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I've added sourcing showing he meets list inclusion which goes to GNG, but here is more. This long article on him that just now came out. And among the many out there (there are lots more) are these, over the course of years, primarily about not only his criminal insider trading/conviction but also the separate case of his company's getting back the compensation paid him, as well as his release and how he is dealing with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:E010:1100:4BB:9F3E:F7C0:134B (talk) 02:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no point in listing all of these supposed refs on my talk page. II'm not going to look at them here. I've already told you that he does not qualify as someone presumed to be notable based on his one conviction. See WP:BIO1E. There may be enough  coverage to justify an article on him on other grounds. If you think so then WP:WRITETHEARTICLEFIRST. If and when the article is accepted we can add him to the  various lists. Meters (talk) 02:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm just responding to you that he meets GNG. There is as I understand it no requirement that an entry in a list not be a red link. You pointed out that the entry needs to have a proper indication that the person is connected to the list. Which that entry already had. And also that it meets a criteria like GNG. Which I am showing you by refs it does. I would like to re-add the entry, with the 10 or so articles devoted to him and the various episodes in his life, over years, from RSs, that show he meets GNG. In his case we have verifiable notability. And the 1E issue is a non-issue. As I pointed out, there are more than one event here (and that is shown in the articles I added refs for). And the coverage is many, many years long - throught the Vanity Fair very long article that was published just today. And the essay pointed to is just an essay (the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors) - the red link rules allow for red links in list where the notability is verifiable.2604:2000:E010:1100:4BB:9F3E:F7C0:134B (talk) 03:06, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * IP editor, here's the rub. Rules do not decide content, consensus does. It's a fair certainty you'll not gain consensus for a red link entry on a notable list. Pretty much, writing the article is the only way you'll gain consensus. Since you'd need to provide the same amount of sourcing to show he's notable enough to be on a notable list, why not just write the article and save the argument? John from Idegon (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you. 2604:2000:E010:1100:108C:DFA3:4426:5F10 (talk) 10:15, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

NavaShield is a virus and rogue
Do you just think NavaShield is a Real antivirus?Are you just crazy? FurryGodzilla (talk) 10:15, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion on NavaShield. I removed it from List of rogue security software because it had no article and no reference. You added four programs without refs. Three had no articles, One appears to be legitimate program, and your fourth entry linked to a different program (SpySheriff) that you said it should not be confused with.That was simply not a useful set of additions. Another editor has already warned you for the personal attack. Meters (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The draft article you are attempting to write about NavaShield cannot simply reuse material from the MalWare Wikia. It is a user generated site and thus is not a reliable source. We cannot reference or reuse that material. If the the Wikia article contained reliable sources then we could reuse those refs, but it does not have ay reliable refs. Similarly we cannot use the only ref you have added to the Wikipedia draft as it is to someone's YouTube channel and is not a reliable source. Meters (talk) 17:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * draft deleted Meters (talk) 08:04, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Eric and Dylan cosplay source
How is this for a few sources https://www.tumblr.com/search/columbine%20cosplay / https://twitter.com/dfoy106/status/1011020030212009990 - can't find a definitive article on it but it exists, thank you
 * Nope. Neither are reliable sources. See WP:RS. User-generated sites are not reliable sources. The first time you tried to add the claim you put it in front of existing refs that don't mention cosplay. The second time you added a ref that didn't mention either cosplay or Columbiners. And now you want to use  Tumblr and someone's personal Twitter feed?
 * And even if you do find a reliable source I doubt that any of that material on Columbiners belongs in the lead. of the article. Meters (talk) 05:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Category:John A. Macdonald
It is not OK to leave a category orphaned as this was. Rathfelder (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not orphaned. Read your talk page. Discuss this on the article's talk page if you must. You mad e a bold change that I undid. Either discuss it on the article's talk page or leave it alone. Meters (talk) 18:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Those edits on Mookar721's talkpage...
In your edit summary you said you weren't sure where they were originally from...seem to have all been lifted straight from Number 527's user talk & user page, including that Dobos torte award... Shearonink (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Meters (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

St. Mary Catholic Secondary School (Hamilton, Ontario)
Please keep an eye on it. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 03:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * added to my watch list. Meters (talk) 03:27, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Rewrote it all after it came back again Meters (talk) 05:10, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk page cleanup
Not sure what went on on my talk page, but thanks for taking care of it! Leschnei (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. The user was indeffed a few minutes later so that should be the end of it. Meters (talk) 18:51, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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Why delete anything new on the Vineyard Beverly HIlls Page? The page itself says it is a stub and needs additional material
I just added material from 2 very noteworthy sources and it was immediately removed. As I am a new Wikipedia editor, I would like to know if I added something in an improper manner.NYCWhiteGallery (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * For the fourth time, discuss this article content issue on the article's talk page, where other interested editors can see it and comment. Meters (talk) 03:15, 4 August 2019 (UTC).
 * And you have already been told via edit summary, your talk page  and the TeaHouse what the problem is. I'm not going to discuss it here also. Meters (talk) 03:45, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * User indeffed for promo. Meters (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Name changes to GeorgeWright79 but still indeffed. Meters (talk) 00:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Appears to have been a UPE too. Meters (talk) 01:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Tenebrae (talk) 23:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * And closed 9 minutes late as no violation (BLP exemption claimed). Meters (talk) 23:31, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


 * With a caveat by the closing admin. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Not a caveat at all. The admin closed as not a violation in 9 minutes. TEh admin simply added an opinion that you might try arguing that multiple publications justify including the info. That had nothing to do with the 3RR. Now please drop this. Meters (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Edited a post you made
Hi Meters. I wanted to let you know that I made a small change to your pinned post at Talk:List of micronations, changing "Wiki article" to "Wikipedia article", hopefully to prevent confusion like the edit request I just declined where someone referred to a different wiki. If you object to me changing your wording, please feel free to revert. Thanks, –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 01:08, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice,.Good clarification, and sorry for the delay. I'm on a wikibreak. Meters (talk) 00:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Regarding edits on Archbishop Coleman F. Carroll High School Page
Hi Meters, the school has asked us directly to edit the content with the information provided. We make their websites and the login I am currently using is also theirs. Can you let me know what can I do so it isn't removed? Where can I inform that the information is coming directly from their site as per their own request? Thanks for any help in this regard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carroll1113 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, but I'm on a break and am not watching my page. I removed the copyrighted content you added to Archbishop Coleman F. Carroll High School the first time (July), and left you a message that already contained the information on what to do if the content had been released into the public domain. You restored the copyrighted material (August) and it was then removed by user:Diannaa, who left another explanation. And almost a week ago user:C.Fred pointed out that you appear to be a WP:UPE but you still have not declared your conflict of interest as you are required to do. I'm not a fan of paid editing, but I really don't like paid editors who can't be bothered to read or follow the messages left on their talk pages.
 * Please note that even should you properly declare your conflict of interest, get the material in question released into the public domain, and request its inclusion there is no guarantee that Wikipedia will use the material. This is an article about the school. It is not the school's article or a place to promote the school. The school does not have a say in what content Wikipedia puts in this article. Meters (talk) 19:44, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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linksmurf
you recently blocked (or noted the global block) Special:Contributions/173.228.198.189 with an edit summary about LTA Linksmurf. Is Special:Contributions/175.159.213.82 the same edit pattern? Hydromania (talk) 08:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Not that I recognize. Meters (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Re: edit to Electric bike article (first production vs prototype)
Hello, this was my first attempt at participation so I'm not 100% surprised it fell short. Are you able to give me any guidance? You said it was not peer reviewed. What am I failing to see in the citation?

Petrillo, Antonella & Mellino, Salvatore & De Felice, Fabio & Scudo, Iolanda. (2018). Design of a Sustainable Electric Pedal-Assisted Bike: A Life Cycle Assessment Application in Italy. 10.5772/intechopen.81737.

The distinction between concept, prototypes, and working production vehicles is an interesting one in this and any mode of electric transport, and I hope you'll help me learn to communicate it properly. Thank you.

Gary

GaryFujiokaSr (talk) 05:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:RS, particularly WP:SCHOLARSHIP Research Gate is not peer reviewed. Anyone can publish anything there, so it is considered to be a self-published source. If the paper has also been published in a peer-reviewed academic journal then we may be able to use that publication as the cite. See WP:RS/P


 * Furthermore, you misrepresented what the paper in question  claimed. Your addition to Electric bicycle stated that  "The first true production electric bikes were manufactured and sold in 1937 by Dutch bicycle manufacturer Gazelle in partnership with Dutch electronics company Philips"   but the paper itself only states " One of the first  successful models [the Gazelle] was made in 1937" Not the same thing.


 * And language such as "conceived by brilliant and passionate inventors" is not appropriate for Wikipedia. See WP:PEACOCK. Meters (talk) 05:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your concern about a user trying to "out" me. That information would be hard to obtain from Wikipedia pages (tho not impossible for the most part) but a quick Google search would get to my personal homepage and my name is a unique identifier. I am not concerned with this information being public. I am mostly amused by this feeble attempt to take a light-hearted comment I made and turn it into a proof that I am a racist. This says a whole lot more about this user than it does about me. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 19:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup. I'm quite surprised that there was not a boomerang on that ANI. Meters (talk) 21:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

milton changes
Thereporterr22 (talk) 02:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC) I am aware that my changes aren't sourced properly this is because websites lack substantial information but i am a local guide and work closely with the mayors office. Doing so has given me sufficient details to change Milton from town to city. Wikipedias goal is to always provide the most correct and updated information, to do so sometimes users must use their own knowledge if its credible so please let me provide the correct information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thereporterr22 (talk • contribs) 02:15, November 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Please sign your posts. If you cannot provide a source that Milton is officially a city then it is not going in the article. Your claim to "work closely with the mayors office" means nothing (other than that you might have  a WP:COI Your claim that "websites lack substantial information" is less than believable. I'm sure that if Milton had become a city it would have been reported somewhere. I've asked you to source this. I've started a talk page discussion for  you. I've warned you about making unsourced edits and pointed you to edit warring. If you make this unsourced edit again you will likely be blocked. Meters (talk) 02:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

please acknowledge my previous talks to you and unblock me why would i lie???.Thereporterr22 (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, one, you are not blocked or you would not have been able to post this, and two, I did reply to you. Look at he previous thread. Meters (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

and although a don't have a single indicating websites proving my statement the reason I used the page I previously used was because it said the population was <100,000 which defines as a city and so claims that Milton is the fastest growing community in the whole country of Canada. I hope you see what I am trying to address and maybe you can help instead of blocking my ideas thank you I am new so excuse any mistakes thanksThereporterr22 (talk) 02:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Read the links on your page.. That's why I left them there. Since you deleted them you will have to look in your page history to read them. Please stop posting about this on my page. Take i tot the article's talkapge, where someone else has already confirmed that Milton is still a town and not a city. Meters (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

yes i did but i have enough information to say that its a city and just that the information on other sites havent been updated since ontario does a cenus every 5 year last one being in 2016 so can i change to city now??Thereporterr22 (talk) 02:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No you may not. And for the third time, take this to the article's talk page. I don't think I can put it any clearer than I already did on your talk page: If you don't understand then ask on the article's talk page. If you continue to make this unsourced change after having been asked for sources you may be blocked.
 * It does not matter if you think it is a city merely because it has a population of over 100,000 . If Milton calls itself a town, then it is not a city. A lower-tier community may call itself a town, or a city, or  a village. See List of cities in Ontario .If you  make unsourced claims again that Milton is a city or attempt to change it from lower-tier to the non-existent "higher-tier" municipality I will ask to have you blocked.
 * And stop opening new threads on my page. I will not respond on this page again. Meters (talk) 04:20, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Misrespresenting sources
Please don't misrepresent what sources say as you did at Lakeside High School (DeKalb County, Georgia). FloridaArmy (talk) 01:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * They have an Interim Principal. and as I've told you several times, we do not list temporary positions. The editor who removed the old principal chose to list this as "None" I've simply removed the field now. Do not continue to restore the interim principal against  WP:WPSCH/AG. Meters (talk) 01:30, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If they have an interim principal then it is not accurate to say "principal = none". Please don't engage in further disruptive editing. FloridaArmy (talk) 01:38, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, I didn't add the "none", and now I've removed it. Please drop this and stay off my page. I'm not going to waste any more time on this stupidity. Meters (talk) 01:39, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello thank you for explaining that I will not do that again.Appleadaygirl79 (talk) 21:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Not a big deal. It's a n easy mistake to make, and now that you know better all is good. Meters (talk) 21:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * And blocked as sock Sockpuppet investigations/TheSunofman

Pastafarian revert
I am a mere dilettante here and see that you have spent blood, sweat, and tears to make this a better resource. I will research it more. You didn't respond to my rationales but I didn't read the consensus report(s) that you reference either. Thanks for all that you do. Jayxmn (talk) 20:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You swanned into an article and made what were clearly contentious edits without bothering to look a the talk page. When you run into comments that tell you not to make the edits you are about to make, that's a very good sign that many people have tried to make the changes before and that that other editors are getting fed up. Don't delete the comments and make your changes in that case. Either leave it alone or check the talk page and start a new discussion if you disagree with the previous consensus. Meters (talk) 20:55, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way, it's really not a good idea to make edits based on canvassing at an off-Wikipedia web site. See Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Meters (talk) 02:21, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Fielding Nair International (FNI)
Hello I noticed you unlinked FNI in Seton Keough High School in Maryland,  Sinarmas World Academy in Indonesia, The Charter School, India, and Andover High School (Michigan). True, the article Fielding Nair International was deleted 13 years ago but the subject company was only in existence 2-3 years at that time. It did become notable since then; notability is supported by its numerous school (re)design projects globally, naturally leading to global newspaper coverage of those projects, and its many design awards including the MacConnell Award — the highest award conferred by the Association for Learning Environments, A4LE. I already created a (stub) article about FNI founder and former president Prakash Nair, feel free to check it out. I am going to create a (stub) aricle about FNI too. Best regards, Yymmff (talk) 01:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think the company is notable then please do write an article about it, but don't create multiple links to it before you do so.
 * And there is no point in pinging me to my own talk page.Meters (talk) 01:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Meters, sounds fair. Apologies for an unnecessary ping -- I'm just learning. Best regards, Yymmff (talk) 02:03, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Not a big deal. Just a little pointer on pings. I've added the article title to my watch list so that I can take a look when you write it. Meters (talk) 02:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've created the article (stub), feel free to check it out :) . I'll re-add those 4 links now. Best regards, Yymmff - now known as Yamfri (talk) 20:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * draftified, submission declined, no action since early March. Meters (talk) 00:13, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * two months later and no edits. Seems to be abandoned. Red link removed form article by someone else. Meters (talk) 22:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Race and ethnicity in the United States
This issue was resolved, and it's been determined that I can edit or remove any comments I want, provided they are mine and not anyone else's. Surely you have more important police work to do than threaten me for removing I comment I posted, on a talk page section that I started, having to do with an issue that's already been raised in a new section.Jonathan f1 (talk) 23:15, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You were at a level 3 warning for messing with talk page posts,and you did it again, so I gave you a level 4. You replied to someone's post, and then they replied to you. When you then removed your reply you completely disrupted the flow of the thread and removed the context. The reply by the other person no longer has any context. See WP:REDACT. Don't blank it just because you want to make the same point again elsewhere on the page. Either copy it, or better yet just refer to your previous post.  Meters (talk) 00:32, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Old Alton Bridge undo
Hi, I added on to Old Alton Bridge to say that the fans of BuzzFeed Unsolved claim that the hosts own the bridge and you removed it, but it should stay since it would explain why the page is semiprotected and how there it a bit of a joke with it. Is it only because I mentioned Shane and Ryan that it got taken down? Ediver4 (talk) 02:58, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

(small addition) Went to the page's talk and saw the part about added about Shane and Ryan, I still think my edit was valid since it wasn't the "Goatmans Bridge" I was changing, but instead just adding on to where BuzzFeed Unsolved was already mentioned and this would be adding more to how the bridge is seen and used in modern culture. Ediver4 (talk) 03:31, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The article is not just semi protected. It is indefinitely protected because of this incessant garbage. Pardon me if I find it hard to assume good faith in yet another editor who shows up to make this edit as soon as they are autoconfirmed. If you want to propose a change having anything to do with the Buzzfeed program then please discuss it on the talk page. Meters (talk) 04:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * And to you too. Meters (talk) 19:05, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

regarding the article
Storybooth hit 1 mil in early 2018 but I can see where you are coming from. Spongebobguy266666 (talk) 19:26, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If it's real then source your change. When all of your edits have been garbage I don't give you the benefit of the doubt. Meters (talk) 19:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * indef'ed NOTHERE Meters (talk) 01:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Occupational stress
You added an edit warring tag on my talk page. I commented on it. You warned one of the other editors Iss246 but you did not warn the other editor CaroleHenson who reverted 4 times in a 24 hour period. Could you please explain why? Are they immune from this warning? Thank you. Lightningstrikers (talk) 13:11, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Not interested in discussing this. You have broken 3RR multiple times on Occupational stress, and with more than one editor. I warned you and the other editor who was way over the line. You pointing out on the dispute resolution page Dispute resolution noticeboard that that other editor was edit warring does not reflect well on you at all. You don't get to revert more than 30 times, claim not to know about 3RR and then point the finger.
 * As for the third editor, in my opinion user:CaroleHenson was trying to discuss the issue in good faith, was just barely over the line, and most importantly, had already stopped editing the article. You and the other editor I warned, on the other hand, continued to revert until I warned you. If you don't like my approach, than by all means take this to 3RR, and see what happens. Meters (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Continued reverting, taken to 3RR, blocked 2 weeks within minutes. Meters (talk) 02:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Inactive since. Meters (talk) 00:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Ohnothimagain
I saw your edit and had noticed that too. I didn't act because it's not abuse of socks yet...  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 02:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. It may be as simple as the user having lost his password, but then he should have connected the accounts. Meters (talk) 02:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

TarzanBoy24
Hi. The editor 'TarzanBoy24', as well as being offensive to other users (see for example my Talk page history), appears to be largely-disruptive with his editing, editing Wikipedia in accordance to his (quite limited) knowledge/world view and not supported by references etc. Please could you/a moderator/admin look into this? Thanks. 213.253.7.254 (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * An IP left you an obscene emoji. What does that have to do with ? And just a word to the wise: making accusations against another editor such as you have here without providing evidence of wrongdoing can be considered a personal attack. John from Idegon (talk) 13:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * TarzanBoy24 later left the same emoji a week later on an IP's page. No idea if the IP who first left the emoji and TarsanBoy24 are the same user, or if this was a bit of tit-for-tat. I had already warned TarzanBoy24 for the edit, and for various edit summaries attacking other users, so I don't know what 213.253.7.254 thinks should happen. Meters (talk) 03:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * And Tarzanboy24 now blocked 2 weeks after a CU block on User:JoshuaGuest96 Meters (talk) 21:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And now indef'ed Meters (talk) 01:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Editing Mistake
That edit that I made on Markiplier was purely by accident and you can even check that I did edit the grammar, for example, adding and removing commas,  correcting words and adding that meaning next to 'Unus Annus'. I must have somehow edited an old revision of the page that had the wrong date of birth and age. It probably happened because I was looking through all the other old revisions and then edited the wrong one. I did wonder why it got reverted but I didn't bother to check until you left that message. Thanks for telling me about my mistake on my talk page, I highly appreciate it. Next time, I'll be extra careful when editing something! OfficialIrishMan (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for letting me know. If I'd looked at your history I would have realized that it was out of character for you. Sorry. Meters (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Please talk
, please redirect Ahmed Rajib Haider to [this page, please explain; I have added some excerpts here. [[User:Walter Saphron|Walter Saphron]] (talk) 05:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The AFD closed as keep. The admin suggested that a suggestion as to what material might be merged should take place mentioned this on your talk page, on the article talk page, and made comment sin your misplaced AN thread.Meters (talk) 05:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your excellent attempts in trying to figure out what this guy actually wanted and solve it, Meters, despite the fact that it was ultimately pointless! I was in the same frenzy of tagging and by the time I actually got to it it was very resolved. ~ mazca  talk 13:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all surprised to see a CU block on this. My AGF was done. Meters (talk) 04:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Raleigh Charter Edits
Hello!

My IP was deemed responsible for defacing the page for Raleigh Charter High School, by removing Jacob Tobia as a "Notable Alumni". I suspect my IP address recently changed, as I was not responsible for that change. I don't really know if this needs to be acted on, or if you're even the person to approach about this, however I figure I ought to clear my name, and that of my IP address, if at all possible.

Anyway, thanks for keeping this place running smooth!

Thanks! Revolt-remission (talk) 00:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. IPs change, even ones that are nominally static. The edit to Raleigh Charter High School, that was by a mobile IP, so the allocation to a particular device would be very dynamic. Meters (talk) 22:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC) thread moved from protected talk page.

edits to List of tallest buildings and structures in London and London
Responding to: "And the lead is not the place to add new material, even if it were sourced and neutrally worded."

Why does the information I presented not belong in the lead of the article? Where would you put it? Can you tell me why this information is not notable, interesting and unique to London skyscrapers and the London skyline, and how it does not compliment the rest of the information in the lead and the rest of the article, considering most of the nicknamed buildings I mentioned are listed in the article along with their nicknames in the "Notes" column? Jonahrapp (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you read the links on your talk page?


 * 1) Please provide diffs or at least links to the article in question next time. I have replaced your less than useful header.
 * 2) The lead is a summary of the rest of the article. It is not the place to introduce new material that is not in the rest of the article. The buildings may be mentioned elsewhere with their nicknames, but where do we say that London is famous for these buildings or that they are better known by their nicknames, and why is that important enough to be in the lead?
 * 3) Your additions were unsourced.
 * 4) Don't make unattributed, unsourced claims such "is famous for". That's WP:WEASEL. Is that an accepted fact, just the opinion of some, or even just your opinion? What reliable sources say that? Who says the architecture point is unique to London?
 * The information may well be worth including in the article, but not with vague, unattributed claims that London is famous for that, and not without reliable sources saying that the buildings are better known by their nicknames. Meters (talk) 21:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Katelyn Nacon
https://spousewiki.com/katelyn-nacons-bio-wiki-son-high-school-relationship-dating-salary/ https://www.tribuneledgernews.com/lifestyle/top_stories_lifestyle/katelyn-nacon-talks-acting-career-and-role-on-hit-amc/article_5019a310-398a-11e6-8ed3-c3c1e067e588.html https://whspawprint.com/2015/11/16/katelyn-nacon-walking-dead-through-woodstock/ https://pandagossips.com/posts/3007 https://patch.com/georgia/woodstock/gala-raises-more-56000-students-teachers These are the sources that state Katelyn Nacon attended Woodstock High School in Georgia. Do they sound like credible evidence to you? 2603:9001:E08:A6D:8027:B20E:3F85:E4FF (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Either the Tribune Ledger News or the Patch reference would suffice. The others do not meet our requirements for reliability. Thanks for making Wikipedia better by conforming your edits to policy by adding one or the other when you re-add her name. John from Idegon (talk) 01:36, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup. Of those two the Tribune source is the better since it unequivocally shows that the actress attended the school (rather than the admittedly unlikely case of just someone with the same name). I'll restore the two Nacon edits with that ref, but this is still unsourced WP:POV that has no place in Wikipedia. Meters (talk) 07:36, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And the comment that "she took numerous drama courses" at the school is unsourced and not needed. Meters (talk) 07:38, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Britney Spears
Hi,

I have received a notification form you that I am disrupting Britney Spears' page. I do not see the problem with the new image. Can you please explain? The old one is horrible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohsen6000 (talk • contribs) 09:15, February 21, 2020 (UTC)
 * See your talk page. You are ignoring the comment in the article about not changing the current image, and you are replacing it with an image that you have uploaded without any license information. We cannot use it. Meters (talk) 09:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Barbarian talk
Meters, do I have to edit the Barbarian article Every time I wanna talk to you? because I left a message on the talk page for you about a week ago and you still have't replied.71.190.188.84 (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * When you wait two weeks to reply, don't be surprised if the other editor is no longer watching. Meters (talk) 00:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Discussion ongoing at Talk:Barbarian, but I'm not convinced and after 6 weeks only the IP has replied to my thread. Meters (talk) 04:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you see my last reply yet?71.190.188.84 (talk) 03:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes I did. I just don't see any point in responding since you are just repeating what you have already said. The material has been removed by multiple editors (me, user:Hölderlin2019, user:Aryzad and at least one IP). You have been attempting to get it restored for nine months. I opened the discussion on the article's talk page seven weeks ago, and the only other editor to comment agrees that the material should not be in the article, even with your rewrite. I suggest that you move on to something else. Meters (talk) 08:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually the material has been there for three years and everybody was fine with it, so I would't say that everybody wanted it gone.71.190.188.84 (talk) 07:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop posting about this on my talk page. I will not respond here again.
 * A content dispute belongs on the article talk pages where all interested editors can see it and participate. In the nine months since this material was first challenged, no-one but you has supported it in the article or on the talk page. WP:DROPTHESTICK. Meters (talk) 08:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Meters!
We talked a few months ago, when you told me that what I thought were grammatical errors were actually changing the page to seem incorrect or unsourced. I was wondering if you had some more small tips when editing a Wikipedia page. I want to seem professional in everything I do, and that is why I am asking. Have a great day, Meters, God Bless! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RexDangervest (talk • contribs) 03:19, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You can start by reading WP:SIMPLE and WP:RS. User generated sites such as Wikis are never acceptable as reliable sources. Meters (talk) 06:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Greater Atlanta Christian School
If you have no objections, I'm going to stub that completely and refer it to the editors that work on seg academy articles. It's a fair assumption that a "christian" school formed in the South in 1968 is one. Not only is this promo badly, I believe it likely whitewashed too (no pun intended). John from Idegon (talk) 21:31, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no particular interest in that article other than having recently removed a recent unsourced and somewhat promotional addition. I don't see a need to stub it, but it can be further trimmed, and some of what is useful needs sourcing. Meters (talk) 05:58, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If it was a segregationist school that should definitely be in the article (assuming we can source it). Meters (talk) 06:00, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Response
I have responded to your question. Would you please make the changes or reply to me on the talk page or my talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.6.209.89 (talk) 07:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


 * No, I will not unilaterally make the changes to Young blood transfusion. You are a WP:SPA on this article. You were blocked for edit warring over this material and the article is protected because of your edits. Clearly your edits are controversial and need to be discussed on the article's talk page. It is not appropriate for you to attempt to get another editor to make the edits for you before consensus is reached. And to be frank, I do not believe your claim that you do not have a conflict of interest. Meters (talk) 07:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked twice, page protected. likely returned as a named account who ended up indfef'ed. after the page protection ended. Meters (talk) 03:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page
Could you tell me how to sign and indent my talk page edits so that I can do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.6.209.89 (talk) 07:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * sign with four tildes ~ Indent with one colon per level of indent. See WP:TALK Meters (talk) 07:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have begun indenting and signing my edits. 210.6.209.89 (talk) 08:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

??
Meters, what are you talking about? I am not doing any disruptive editing. Please respond on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.6.209.89 (talk) 08:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Read the message I left on your page. If you keep this up you will be at WP:3RR again or at WP:ANI for WP:CIR Meters (talk) 08:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I have not changed any time stamps. I haven't deleted any talk page content. I would like to archive the old discussions. That is what archiving is for. The old discussions are from 2018, are inactive, and are finished. 210.6.209.89 (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


 * You have indeed done all of this. It is a personal attack to say that I am harassing you. Please remove that. Meters (talk) 08:29, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


 * You are incorrect. I have not done any of the things you said. I have removed my statement saying you harassed me. 210.6.209.89 (talk) 08:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop posting on my page. I've explained it, Others have explained it. If still you don't understand then you probably should not be editing at all. Meters (talk) 08:40, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked again, user talk page access removed, article talk page thread collapsed. Meters (talk) 21:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the WP:DRN regarding you contributed to the discussion. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is "Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Steak and Blowjob Day".The discussion is about the topic Steak and Blowjob Day. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! ItsGolfTime (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Difficult to AGF when a new SPA appears and edits against 15 years of article consensus to restore edits that have been removed many times before. DRN appeared to cherry pick a user who supported this user's position two years ago, and has not been active in almost two years, but did not include recent editors whose positions opposed the OP's changes. I added a reliable source to article that explicitly uses the term "a satirical holiday". DRN closed because no-one could be bothered to respond. Meters (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And SPA is inactive after all of 5 days attention to nothing but this article. Meters (talk) 00:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

DB Cooper
Thanks for the tip on minor vs major edit. I have been using it incorrectly this whole time. On the book I added, I agree that there should be control on self published/other press books. It is a well done book though. The DB Cooper case has a lot of books that don't make it to established publishers, due to the reputation of the case. One well known book by Richard Tosaw that has the serial numbers of the DB Cooper money is actually self published, as are a number of others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwnoone1 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * We use independent reliable sources. The opinions of a closed internet forum group are not useful, unless the people are accepted as authorities in the field. Your opinion that these people are authorities is not enough. You keep making these kinds of statements. Your opinion that a certain vanity press publication is "well done" is not germane. Meters (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Heh, thanks
Hi Meters, thanks for reviewing Tyler1 – for whatever reason, the review interface didn't appear on my screen. I've had that in the past too, combined with error messages about a lack of access, as if the "pending changes reviewer" group were explicitly required to do so. I'll keep an eye on that, perhaps it's a bug on the Wikipedia servers. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:35, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No probs. I've run across it a few times too. A strange quirk that sometimes you have to accept earlier edits that have already been undone just to clear the queue. Meters (talk) 21:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar!!

 * Well, thank you. Always nice to get some appreciation to offset the more common threats of death or dismemberment. Meters (talk) 19:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Your revert
Its April Fools, Oshwah had no issue with me doing what I did. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 03:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest that you read WP:RULESFORFOOLS. If you are going to do this stupid garbage it is up to you to follow the rules You are more than three hours too late.. Meters (talk) 03:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

 * I'm not an admin. And I find it odd that you are thanking me for taking you to task for your blantant vandalism in whitewashing Strom Thurmond in only your second Wikipedia edit. Didn't you know that real people actually check edits? Meters (talk) 23:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * reported at Sockpuppet investigations/Thurmondt and blocked Meters (talk) 00:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Deleted talk page posts

 * EVERY copied information had a source, so NOTHING was copied or translated without attribution. NOTHING was stolen or misrepresented.
 * What I copied were PARTS of sentences (tiny amounts) and it was in italic to distinguish from normal text (buhuhu, wasn't in " ", I would assume you have enough brain to deduct that).
 * Talk page IS NOT a wikipedia article. It's a discussion page. As far as I know it isn't indexed by search engines. So lax rule apply. Or you disagree? There is no ref list, very often capital letters are not used and so on. Very often a source is not even presented. It's obvious that different/lax rules apply. So I saw no reason to write in my own words or full sentences - just copied important details / parts one should focus on - from posts it was obvious that intention wasn't to steal anything but to point out why sth was impostant. Sure I could've written pages and pages of content but what's the point of doing that on talk page. Just a couple of points and what's better than straight from the source.
 * "Not a forum": quote " bear in mind that article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles" (satisfied with quotation??) - how that what you removed wasn't about improvement?? One article lacks major improvement in glass technology and the other whole section about materials. How is that not relevant?? How was that general discussion about a topic?? 89.201.184.245 (talk) 06:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Read the links WP:COPYVIO and WP:NOTAFORUM. Your posts were NOTAFORUM violations. You are making statements or asking questions about the general subject, not discussing the article or its contents. And yes, the one I called a copyvio was indeed a copyvio. You dropped a near verbatim copy of web page content on a talk page. It appears that you have been making similar posts using multiple IPs and a named account. Don't do that. Meters (talk) 07:13, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * And I'm not going to waste my time by engaging with you as both your IPs and your named account as you pretend to be different users. Meters (talk) 08:59, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Northern Pike
Ok how do I propose a move? 80.195.168.63 (talk) 21:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * See your tlak page. We're cross posting. Meters (talk) 21:20, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

That post doesn't tell me how to do it. It just says I'm being nonconstructive. Whether a thing is northern or not depends very much on ones own perspective. Does it not? The "northern pike" is simply called pike everywhere besides some US states. So I think its reasonable to propose a move. Can you please advise how I can do that? 80.195.168.63 (talk) 21:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said on your talk page: propose an article move on the article's talk page. You can open a general discussion to see what other editors think first, or directly propose the move by following the procedure for potentially controversial moves at  WP:RM . As an IP editor you cannot move the article yourself. Meters (talk) 21:33, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Ann Arbor Article
There's no need for you to come onto my account's talk page to attack me about what I said on the Ann Arbor Talk Page All of my evidence was conventionally laid out in my reply to (John from Idegon) on that page. Keep things civil and on topic. BeeBeoxus (talk) 08:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You need to stop accusing people of attacking you. user:John from Idegon did not attack you, and neither did I. And since you have already told me to "fuck off", stay off my talk page. You are not welcome here. Meters (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * It's easy to do the right thing when the instructions boil down to "Don't worry about whether you think it is real, just follow the rules." Meters (talk) 04:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised how many people have never read those guidelines, or forget them in the heat of the moment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Press brake
Gurgen Aleksanyan (talk) 08:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)Hello. I just registered and do not quite understand what was happening. I read about CNC machines and thought that I could add a resource where there is a lot of useful information about the press brake. And to be honest, accidentally deleted another resource and could not restore it. I do not quite understand what resources can be supplied and which not.


 * Hi, . I can see where the link you accidentally (but ironically, properly) removed may have misled you, but the "See also" section is only for internal (AKA WIKILINKs) links. However, in an article on a type of machine, it would be considered inappropriate to use a link to a single manufacturer of that machine for much of anything. Wikipedia is neither a directory or a catalog. See WP:5P, particularly WP:NOT. Also, the 4 tildes go at the end of your message, and new subjects should have a header. John from Idegon (talk) 09:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a bit difficult to believe that an editor would add a spammy external link to one particular company, and then in a different edit "accidentally" remove a different link that was significantly more useful than the new one.. As John from Idegon pointed out, neither of the links belongs in the See Also section, which is why I did not restore the original link. Meters (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Ahmed Rajib Haider article
A bunch of sockpuppets are back at it and trying a third run at deletion in bad faith at the Ahmed Rajib Haider article. You may want to comment there.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 01:41, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Nomination would be closed immediately (I think) as I have complained against it in administrator's noticeboard. 116.58.201.24 (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Commented. OP of the AFD is a now-blocked sock of a globally banned user, and there has still been no attempt to implement the recommended actions of the first AFD close. Meters (talk) 06:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Bluevale Collegiate Institute
Hey Meters. Sorry Didn't see what you put on my talk page. I will try to find a citation by tonight. As well, I'm asking you not to delete the president field I added on Bluevale until tomorrow. I am trying to bring a little joy into our pretty cold right now as our students need that right now. If you have any empathy at all and are able to over look that until tomorrow, please leave it alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyrell8484 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You once again ignored everything I left on your talk page. The content is not sourced. It is not a minor edit. It's not  a school board position. I can find no evidence that the school actually has presidents. As I said, if this is a student position, we don't list them. We also don't list members of parent-teacher groups or booster clubs or anything similar. And if this is some joke or spirit-raising exercise (as you seem to be saying) please don't try to use Wikipedia for that. I have removed the content again, and I will leave you a final warning. Do not make this edit  a fourth time or you will likely be blocked. Meters (talk) 18:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * After a fourth attempt the editor was indeff'ed from the school page. Meters (talk) 04:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I hope you're keeping well
Hi Meters,

I hope everyone in your circle is keeping safe and staying well. I'm not sure which state you're in, but if it's gradually reopening, just please take all reasonable precautions to remain healthy. I'm not currently in the US, so I'm still more or less confined to my home with very little exception.

Anyway, formalities aside, I wanted to let you know that my block expired and I have begun to reinsert the Reese's paragraph into articles. I know you're not much of a fan of this, and you'll want it taken down. But I respect you quite a lot and I wanted to give you the heads up.

All the best, and again, take care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.26.222.206 (talk) 20:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure who the original user is, but they still have an active IP block, so this IP has also been blocked for two weeks. let me know if there's further case history I should dig into here. —C.Fred (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. More than 110 attempts to add this (over five months) to nine articles (that I know of). Eight page protections and 20 blocks so far.The only named account I've ever found is user:Seddits (one earlier edit to the new article found today). I keep a running log at  User:Meters/Reese's hoax. I don't know if there is any point in getting this user declared an LTA. I just link to my log whenever  I ask for a block or protection. Meters (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2020 (UTC).
 * The way I see it, if it's obvious LTA, call it what it is. —C.Fred (talk) 03:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Meters,

Just checking in. It looks like the most recent block didn't really work out that well. I found ways around it. Anyway, I've only inserted the Reese's statement back into two Reese's-related articles, but I've put variations of it into non-related articles under different IPs. I know this must be frustrating because you keep having to update your sub-article "Reese's Hoax" with all the new instances, but in reality I'm way ahead of you :) By my count there are at least 50 articles with that content which you have not discovered.  It might be better for your mental health to just forget about this whole thing and focus your efforts elsewhere.  I know you'll get this IP range blocked, but I promise that won't be the end of it.  I will get around even an LTA.  This is a game you cannot win.

Much love, Reese's Hoax Guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.211.86.162 (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And I'm sure you understand how we appreciate it when LTAs actually tell us that they are active again.Your edits were undone and you were blocked within 15 minutes, before I even logged on today.. Meters (talk) 19:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And blocked again on June 10. Meters (talk) 06:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And blocked on user:216.211.56.47 on June 15 Meters (talk) 07:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And blocked on user:216.211.0.91 on June 17. Thanks for trolling my page. Various admins who now recognize you are blocking you on sight. Meters (talk) 07:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Woking High School
Hiya, just checking what you tried to do on the Woking High School page - you seem to have left a ref tag broken? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.196.123 (talk • contribs) 09:59, June 12, 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just an incomplete removal of a different entry. Fixed. Meters (talk) 18:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

User:NPC 00120009
Just a heads-up; it looks like the signature image vandal isn't done socking yet.  Passenger pigeon  ( talk )  22:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * quickly dealt with by user: C.Fred . Meters (talk) 22:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Weatherbox LTA
I created a LTA case for the IP-hopping weatherbox vandal. Any additional information that you might find or other suspected IPs should be added here. Thanks, ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  00:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I noticed another IP this morning but I couldn't remember if there was an SPI. Meters (talk) 06:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Mini Ladd query
Hi Meters, I had a quick question to clear up regarding the recent edits on the page. I'm a little confused regarding what that IPs edits on the Mini Ladd page contributed to a BLP violation. Thanks in advance! Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 19:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question. The five improperly sourced negative content additions to a BLP at Special:Contributions/2600:1700:4480:81E0:A486:1B53:6A6A:18F  (and the earlier edit by another IP in the same /44 block who was almost certainly the same user). Improperly sourced negative content in a BLP is a BLP violation. Three different editors reverted these additions, with four of their summaries explicitly referring to BLP violations, including  one by you.
 * If you are asking why I added an edit warring warning, the IP was already at a level 3 BLP warning and added the material three more times. For whatever reason you chose to go back to a level 1 BLP warning. Five BLP violating edits to the same article in less than 24 hours warrants much more than a Level 1 BLP warning in my opinion. Even without the BLP aspect this would still warrant a 3RR. Meters (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Twitter posts are not acceptable sources for the accusations included in those additions. Meters (talk) 20:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being vague, I just didn't know what else I could use as a response for reverting that IP's future edits after 24 hrs, as I felt that my response regarding the Twitter link was sort of invalid as I had seen Twitter links in a couple of articles here on the main space before. Also I completely understand the rest regarding the edit warring. Thank you for clarifying Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 20:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Selective school
Selective school are opposite of comprehensive schools. The article says so. Zoe1013 (talk) 04:00, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * More than one editor has asked you not to make these edits. If you keep it up you may end up blocked. Either stop or take it to the high school project page for discussion.
 * "Comprehensive" and "selective" are not terms that are commonly used to describe US schools. And no, they are not direct opposites. You cannot simply claim that all schools are either selective or comprehensive. An old-style vocation school is neither, for example. Please don't respond here. Multiple editors have already raised this issue with you on your talk page.. If you want to discuss it keep the discussion on your talk page where the editors will likely see it, or take it to the high school project where other interested editors will see it. Meters (talk) 04:13, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

West-Windsor Plainsboro High School South
Hello, I'm the person who changed the panel on statistics for the 2018-19 school year. I was not aware that I was removing the source while keeping the reference, I'll be more careful from now on. However, my source was the NJDOE website, which is a reliable source. There looks like there are some discrepancies. The most recent information on FTE and teacher/student ratios was from the 2017-18 school year, so I updated it from information found on the NJDOE website. In the article, the source is used to list other demographics. Should the source be removed completely in favor of NCES? —Preceding undated comment added 16:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know why there would be a discrepancies. Both sources are for the same school year. The difference in attendance was insignificant between the two, but there were significant differences in the stated values for staffing (perhaps one was counting not only teaching staff, or not using the standard FTE?) The high school project prefers to use the NCES data for demographics for all US schools. It's a country-wide standard reference that is updated at the same time for all schools. Meters (talk) 19:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)