User talk:Metropolispart1

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Hello, Metropolispart1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, your edit to Ben Ainslie does not conform to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy (NPOV). Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media.

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Questions or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Suonii180 (talk) 22:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Suonii (Louise),
 * Firtly, thank you for your kind welcome. I have not used wikipedia actively for many years, so it is nice to be back.
 * In regards to your edit about the 'Ben Ainslie' page and the 'neutral point of view policy' that you used as the rationale for this edit, I complete appreciate where you are coming from. I will say however that as an active and prolific sailor for many years who has competed at the highest level in my sport, I would like to think that my opinion carries some weight with regards to using statements such as 'one of the greatest' when referring to sailor's such as Ben. Many of my peers agree with me, and you can find in Articles such as this one:- The Top 6 Greatest Sailors Living Today (seachest.co.uk), that Ben is considered to be at the very top of his field by many reputable website such as seachest. This general consensus towards Ben and his abilities are very much agreed upon by myself and many of my sailing colleagues, many of whom have been a part of international racing committees for several years. This is much in the same way that many high profile journalists and academics of football may state 'Messi is one of the greatest of all time', as is stated in his Wikipedia page. I personally feel that the same should be allowed to be stated in the sport of sailing, albeit at a slightly smaller scale. Ben also happens to be the most successful Olympic sailor of all time on paper.
 * I hope we can discuss potentially coming to a compromise, as I feel that the original statement I put in there was very much in line with Wikipedia's policy, with several of my peers and reputable sources in the sailing world agreeing with the original statement.
 * Kindest Regards Metropolispart1 (talk) 23:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi! I can see where you're coming from but language such as this tends to be avoided as per WP:FLOWERY and if included would need more than one source to back it up. While I edit sport bios quite a lot my knowledge of sailing is limited so it may be useful to start a discussion at his talk page or at the talk page of a relevant WikiProject such as WikiProject Sailing or WikiProject Olympics to get WP:CONSENSUS for what would be the best solution. As you mentioned you've competed at a high level of the sport I've included a conflict of interest notice in case it applies here, feel free to ignore it if you have no personal connection with him. If you need any help with referencing please see WP:REFB and WP:RELIABLE. Also, if you haven't checked it out yet then you should have a look at the Teahouse as it's a really useful space for new and returning editors. Let me know if I can help further, regards Suonii180 (talk) 23:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Suonii, I will try to consult others in the sailing wikiproject. Firstly, how do I add the sailing Wikiproject to my profile? And also, I notice that a lot of the members in the sailing wikiproject are currently inactive. Is there anyway I can put out a post in a forum style manner to all active members? Metropolispart1 (talk) 15:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey! Apologies for the delay. Sorry, I should have checked to see how active the WikiProject was first, not sure what the best way to do that is, the Teahouse could help. It should be ok to add the information if you can find sources that explicitly say that he's considered to be one of the greatest sailors. Using sources that list his accomplishments and basing the statement off of that would fall under original research which is why it is often the case that this language is avoided. As the WikiProject doesn't seem to be too active, starting leaving a message at his talk page could also help to start a discussion about it although it would depend how many editors are actively watching the article. Suonii180 (talk) 21:40, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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