User talk:Mets501/Archive 10

Template:afdx
Hi there. I just thought I'd let you know that your recent edits to afdx produced an extra "See also" section that isn't properly &lt;noinclude&gt;'ed. I'd fix it myself, but I... uh... can't. Durn page protection. ;-) -- NORTH talk 00:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. -- NORTH talk 01:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested page moves
The guidelines for tv/radio station article names are posted at WikiProject Radio Stations. Thanks, —taestell 02:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Oberon move
Thank you for the move, it was sorely needed. However, it seems that the talk page(s) were lost in the process. Is there a way to recover it (them)? I suspect you're better at this than I since I have managed to remain blissfully ignorant of all such details. ww 03:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I got alerted to it by my watchlist. There's been discussion about a recetn change of name from Oberon to Oberon-1. As the latter never existed, there's been some discussion of changing Oberon-1 back to Oberon. That's what I thought had happened. I'll try to figure out what's going on and get back to you. ww 03:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And now I see what happened. And I feel even more strongly that the the Oberon-1 article should be renamed Oberon. Oberon-2 may be sufficiently different as to justify it's own article, but that's another subject. Quite annoying this business, caused by, as nearly as I could follow, someone who figured that if something was named Oberon-2, its predecessor must be named Oberon-1. ww 03:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Español
Solo lo utilizo para desconcertar a los demas usuarios. si tu lo prefieres no lo utilizare mas, de hecho este es el ultimo mensaje en español que dejo.

Adiós.... sorry, Bye. KingOfDX 03:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:RM
I did so originally. In fact, I followed the exact format specified in WP:RM(5). I would appreciate clarification on your position, and furthermore the implementation of the move requested based on the discussion page that was linked in the RM entry.  DJR  ( T ) 21:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see Talk:Farringdon.  DJR  ( T ) 04:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Washington Crossing the Delaware (sonnet)
You definitely did the right thing deleting the db-nonsense tag on this article. I'm glad you added the Hofstadter reference too, as he's one of my all-time favorite authors. FYI, I fixed a misspelling of the name of the author of the sonnet, changing a redlink to David Shulman, which should further confirm that this is a legitimate article. Regards, Newyorkbrad 03:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Rye House Rockets
Why delete an article I am in the middle of producing ? The Rye House Rockets are a professional sports team in the UK, no different to any football, cricket, rugby etc. I am trying to set up a record of all speedway teams for the rest of the speedway community to add to.

Ther was no need to refer it for "speedy deletion". I am putting the article up again and if you still have an issue with it I suggest it is left for further diuscussion.

Moving Pages
Thanks for your reply. As I said, yes, I know now that I should've started that whole thing differently, but I didn't know that (i.e. that it's possible to move pages) when I started out... and now I'm simply trying to cover up my own mess as best as I (or a helpful administrator) can. From what I see, the best way to go from here would be to move the old page over the newly created one. That, however, would in fact require administrator rights. If you think another step should be taken, I'll be happy to hear it. At any rate: Thanks for your help!! --still-alive-and-kicking Ibn Battuta 19:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC) ... - PS: You're a professional violinist and a high school student? Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Just curious... --Ibn Battuta 20:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Moving categories
Thanks for your notice. Can you arrange for WP:CFD and WP:CFDS to be listed as new subsection or or such here? That it presently deals only with pages but apparently does nowhere notify this was the source of my error. Thanks! Dysmorodrepanis 16:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

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more category killin', please
Hi there. Thanks for knocking out some of those empty categories on CFDU. Feel like getting the rest? I especially need the instrument categories cleaned out to start a new process on the babel categories for those instruments. Thanks!--Mike Selinker 14:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Neat. Feel free to take out the rest of them. :^)--Mike Selinker 15:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply to your info about redirects
Thanks for the info you gave me about redirects. I have replied to you on my user talk page: User talk:Voidxor. -Voidxor 21:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Blockedtext
Thanks, don't know why I thought that – Gurch 22:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

CSS
Hi Mets501, Just passed by your signature and thought you might be able to help with the following more promptly than say the Village Pump: Are there any CSS classes I could use to alter the borders between rows in (wikicoded) tables, e.g. thicken them or even maybe space each row slightly apart from its neighbors...? I'm thinking of / hoping for something like:

Thanks in advance for any help and/or pointers, David Kernow (talk) 01:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ''Hi David. There are various options that you could take, with differing outcomes...
 * Certainly a prompt response – thanks! Can this I guess I was so focused on a class for the |- divider I didn't think of trying out style="border..." options; thanks for the reminder. However, can a single style="border-width:..." apply to a row of cells without applying it to each and every one...?  I experimented with (variations on) the below, but no joy:


 * Apologies in advance if I'm doing/missing something straightforward. Meanwhile, I'm sure I've seen classes next to |- being used somewhere in Wikipedia for manipulating rows; maybe there's one that could separate two rows slightly...? (I scanned Useful styles and Catalogue of CSS classes but didn't spot anything...)
 * Thanks, David (talk) 02:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ''Interesting, I can't figure out how to apply the border to the whole row...
 * Worry not for now; I'll locate a CSS whizz and ask him/her to educate us... I'm grateful, though, for your border-width: reminder. I'll let you know what/where I find something. Thanks for taking a look, David (talk) 03:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Follow-up
Here's one approach, courtesy AzaToth. Best wishes, David (talk) 02:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Multiple-page move
Hi, There seems to be a consensus to call Indigenous Australians "Indigenous Australians", as opposed to "Aboriginal Australians". The corresponding adjective would be "Indigenous Australian". I've tried moving some of the articles using the adjective "Aboriginal" but there seem to be too many of them. A list of articles that need to be moved can be found here. Is there a quick way to setup a poll to move these pages? Is a poll even necessary? (It appears a good majority would support the move.) Any help would be appreciated. Zarbat 20:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Repair it, please
MonteChristof wrote on MediaWiki talk:Noarticletext:
 * Please... I'd like to ask someone (admin preffered) to revert the changes made by Gruch tooday. It causes crash on empty sites - there's no text visible in template and there are some problems with links... MonteChristof 18:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for fixing the problem, if there was one. Though I think reverting the unrelated change I made in August was a little excessive. Can you give me more detail on the actual problem? Did you see anything yourself, or were you just responding to User:MonteChristof's request? If you did notice anything, can you tell me which page (or rather non-page) you were looking at, what was wrong with the output, and in particular which links were broken? Thanks – Gurch 01:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for helping! I've lost in wiki-administration so many times, I was even accused of trolling by some short tempered guys :-) --VinceB 17:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

TV/radio station moves
Hi! Just want to let you know that I think you've misinterpreted the naming conventions. Per WP:NAME:
 * All full-power Canadian FM and commercial TV stations have a (-FM or -TV) suffix... most U.S. and many Mexican stations, do not.

A quick search of the FCC TV Query for, say, WAGA shows that the correct call sign is simply "WAGA"; compare to the results for WDIV (which lists the station as "WDIV-TV").

The section you pointed to in your edit summary is meant to give guidelines if there are multiple stations with the same base callsign. It doesn't mean that all TV stations should have titles with the "-TV" suffix, because many do not.

It's a common mistake, but the distinction is important. Happy editing! &mdash; stickguy (:^›)&mdash; || talk || 22:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks for the reply. &mdash; stickguy (:^›)&mdash; || talk || 23:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
You're welcome ... and I even did the formatting. :) Newyorkbrad 21:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Bot's and the creation of them
Hi Mets :)

We've a need for a bot of our own over at Wikiproject Meteorology (WeatherBot is the working title. lol), we're discussing it, and there seems to be a fair amount of work to give it. I would love to write one, but I have no idea where to start - could you possibly point me in the right direction please? Many thanks, Crimsone 02:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mets :) Your help is very much appreciated Crimsone 03:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Zürich in AWB typos list
Just because it's often spelt without the umlaut is no reason not to correct to the official and WP standard spelling. The same principle applies to, for example, Württemberg (also in the list), Tromsø, Lübeck, Rhône, Belém, Sèvres, Besançon, Łódź and a host of other geographical names. Colonies Chris 11:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

About Talkheader, Last chance and Please stop
This is a response to these sections that you wrote on my talk page. , and


 * First: About the talk header, when you browse any featured article or good article you will find that most of their talk pages have the talk header and since the featured articles are the model articles that we try to make all Wikipedia articles like them, I concluded that the talk header must be put in every page. Note the talk header in Einstein's page. I then read the template page about the header and knew that it must be put in some pages only so I stopped adding it to talk pages.


 * Second: About redirects from talk pages to other talk pages, when you click the move button on any page you will see a small box asking you whether to move the talk page or not. This box is by default checked, so, I concluded that all talk pages of redirect pages should be redirected too. You said: Also, redirects from talk pages to other talk pages (except for when they are moved) are generally not needed. but you didn't give the source of this information, so, I considered it your personal opinion not a policy of Wikipedia.


 * Third: About Last chance, you said: You really can't continue to make useless edits as pointed out above. I appreciate your good intentions but they are actually not helping that project. This paragraph is very badly written. You didn't explain what you meant. I didn't understand it except when I was blocked. What do mean by last chance? Last chance of what? I was never blocked before although that I have 2200 edits and another 600 edits (approximately) which I did without signing in because I did them from a public computer. You should have said: What you do violates one of Wikipedia policies and if you don't stop I will block you. In this way I know that there is something wrong.


 * Fourth: About Please stop, another example of a paragraph that is badly written. You said: Please stop editing articles just to add spaces between headings and the equals signs, and spaces below the heading. Examples: [5] [6]. Besides the edits themselves being a waste of time, many of us prefer the raw text formatted the other way: equals signs tight around the headings, and no blank line below the heading. What is your source? Is adding spaces considered against one of Wikipedia policies? Who are those many of us? There are 2.7 million users in Wikipedia. What is the percentage of those many of us of the total users of Wikipedia?

However, I will tell you my source. If you navigated to any talk page you will find in the right upper corner a small plus sign in a box which is used to add new comments (I used it to add this section). If you wrote anything in the subject/headline field and then in the main window and you saved the page. After that, you click the edit this page button you will find that there is a space under the title and a space between the title and the plus signs. It is the Wiki software that uses spaces. So,I concluded that all pages should be like this. Are you going to block the Wiki software? Just choose 20 random articles in Wikipedia, you will find that some of them are written like the way you want it and some aren't.

You said: I plan to revert these edits whenever I see them. Well, you will find hundreds of articles this way. I could have reverted them myself but if I did so I will find another administrator blocking me for removing spaces from articles! So, I will leave them like this but I will not of course repeat this in the future. I don't want to be blocked for such an unimportant reason.


 * Fifth: I though that users are blocked because of deleting parts of articles or changing the information in them without good sources not for adding space. Do you know that once I found one interwiki link that was not working but I didn't remove it because it was in a language that I don't understandI suggest that you observe my edits in the next days to be sure that I am a good user.


 * Sixth: I am a loyal user of Wikipedia. I consider Wikipedia as my son. I could not vandalize it. I am looking for the day that it will reach 30 or 40 million articles. I will say then that I contributed from the beginning. I have accounts in the other Wikimedia projects and also in the Arabic Wikipedia.


 * Seventh: If you find articles like this which I created, you will find that I add about very few lines per edit. This isn't because I want to increase my number of edits but because in Egypt where I live, electricity may go out in any moment (which I know is a rare thing in the USA and Europe), so what I wrote will be lost, so I edit by a rate of a few words per time.


 * Eighth: Although I could have written this in my talk page during blocking but I prefer to answer the messages of other users in their talk pages not mine, so I waited until the block was over and it took me some time to write this long message.

Note: I might be busy in the next few days, so if you left me a message I may not be able to answer it for a few days.

--Meno25 05:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Jusepe de Ribera
Thanks for doing the move! Johnbod 17:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
THANKYOU! It does my heart good to receive the award. I've been having problems lately with a disgruntled Wikipedian who thought I was trying to purposely leave out Taiwanese Kuoshu boxing history from the page. I was doing research on it and had yet to add it to the article. Thanks again!!! (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 19:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC))

vandalism-like page move
Hi

Looks like Duja is not online. Could you help him out? See User_talk:Duja. Thanks! --Espoo 23:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It happened again. Could you please block all those possible POV page titles by redirects? Thanks! --Espoo 01:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

aggressive admin
Hi

Could you please take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kbdank71&diff=88059736&oldid=88058525 This admin has the nerve to first disregard some of the most basic WP principles, then bully me, and then delete my defense against his bullying behavior. He claims that i threatened him, which is not true, and he insists on leaving that lie publicly displayed. Thanks for any help! --Espoo 05:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Removal of C:CSD from the Contested template
I understand that the old C:CSD in the hangon template was used for placement in the main CSD cat. It was placing talk pages in the main CSD cat because people didn't understand how to use the hangon tag and placed them in the talk page.

Now, though, some people remove the CSD tag when placing the hangon tag, and now there are a lot of "orphan" articles in the Category: Contested Speedy Deletion Candidates that nobody is looking at (because they're not in the main CSD cat). Is this intended behaviour? ColourBurst 16:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Munich air disaster
Hey Mets: Can I have a third opinion from you? Someone moved Munich air disaster to Munich air accident (1958), ignoring the discussion on the talk page, and made a veritable mess of it in the process. Should I just revert the move, untangle the mess and point towards WP:RM, or should I bring this up at WP:RM directly (especially since I was involved in the prior discussion)? Best, trialsanderrors 19:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the page move and pointed the user towards WP:RM. — Mets501 (talk) 19:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I also shut down the two-item dab page and redirected to Munich air disaster. ~ trialsanderrors 19:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

M.I.K.E.
There is some text that does not appear in the editing box when i go to remove it, but it appears when i go on the page. Look past the electronic album stub and you will see. I think someone may have edited the template for it. This is the only Admin i know, so hopefully you can pass it on to someone else who can fix it. Thanks. SuperJ9587 18:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Metsbot/test template substitution
Could you please prevent your bot from substituting the templates at Template messages/User talk namespace? The templates there are examples only and need to show up-to-date versions of the templates. Thanks! -- Renesis (talk) 21:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Concering your reversion...
I was changing it to the correct name. There is no evidence that the Manta is named "Phanta Manta". Thus, unless someone has concrete evidence, it should not be named Phanta Manta. 24.193.50.181 04:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that! I've removed the warning. — Mets501 (talk) 04:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. But I plan to wait for a little while. And can you leave it as Manta for now?24.193.50.181 04:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course! No problem :-) — Mets501 (talk) 04:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

RE:db-meta
Since db refers to db-reason for its reason parameter there is no point in adding it to the db-meta template. (It also caused the formatting to screw up if I gave a reason beginning with "=", though that's probably a minor concern.) --tjstrf talk 19:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK then, I misunderstood what the purpose was. Never mind then, the format breaking must have been incidental. --tjstrf talk 19:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Peruvian Air Force / Air Force of Peru
Hello! I've seen your move from Peruvian Air Force to Air Force of Peru. I don't think that change is correct, almost every army, air force and navy in Wikipedia is named in the format Nationality + Army/Navy/Air Force, see for instance the Navies by country category. So what's the reasoning for this move? Greetings. --Victor12 21:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Your Computer Upgrade
Just a thought, get an E6600 over a E6400 as its got more cache, and it preforms loooads better =P

I know its like £60 more, but it'd probably be worth the investment ;)

Reedy Boy 23:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Reedy Boy: thanks for the suggestion. However, the computer has arrived already, and I couldn't be happier with the E6400 :-).  I've got it overclocked to about 2.3 GHz, and it's perfectly stable on stock cooling and super-fast.  I'm actually not going to be using this chip for too long, which is why I didn't go for the E6600.  I'll be upgrading to quad-core when they hit the market and have dropped to a semi-reasonable price. — Mets501 (talk) 03:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, fair enough!, makes sense then. Hehe Reedy Boy 12:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for showing me that people do care. For a second I had completely lost faith with humanity.  Fr ed  il  Shadows of Darkness 01:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Move: Third Holiest Site in Islam
The reason I posted this during the AfD was because someone moved it during the AfD. Changing it to "expression" is itself a POV from those who are against it as a method to have the article deleted. This is why I think it needs to be renamed back to its original name before the end of yet another AfD. Valley2city 02:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Cal Scrabble Club
Didn't like the Cal Scrabble Club? I think it is pretty remarkable because it grew so quickly and really does show a side of UC Berkeley that people don't know. Anyway I guess I will have to defer to your judgment on its relevance.

Holocaust Research Project
I am unclear as to you why are disallowing my new website www.holocaustresearchproject.org?

All I am doing is publishing the URL on the external links, similar to the external links that are currently listed?

What is it that you feel I am doing wrong? - unsigned


 * We are an encyclopedia, not the yellow pages. Go advertize elsewhere. WAS 4.250 21:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Rachel St. John
Why are we salting Rachel St. John when it keeps getting recreated by the same user? Just block him/her. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I didn't think of that. I'll do that next time.  (P.S. It may be time for you to archive your talk page) — Mets501 (talk) 02:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's getting there. I was waiting for it to get as huge as the last archive but it's probably close enough now.  —Wknight94 (talk) 02:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:Time
I dislike what is happening. There is no reason for this. And where is this discussion? -- Cat out 07:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that the bot made a mistake on this page. There was no discussion, but I found it quite important and obvious to remove it after user comments.  The problem is that it provides misleading information if used after a post.  If I signed this comment with time, today it would look like I signed November 20 (which is true), but next week it would look like I signed November 27 (which is obviously wrong).  It can be used for other purposes, but should not be used after comments on talk pages. — Mets501 (talk) 11:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah that I have no problem with. I actually have reviewed your bots activity and realized the main reason for the thing. Tho a lot of people use the time template like I have. Anyways, thanks for the janitor duty but in the future be a bit more careful. :) -- Cat out 13:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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Vangelis & In the Heavyskies
Hiya, I have just noticed that Vangelis (Buffyverse) & In the Heavyskies were speedily deleted, the latter by you (WP:AfD/Vangelis & WP:AfD/In the Heavyskies). I can see that at present they are not very notable since they are unlikely to see the light of day until at least 2007, and even then it will remain to be seen if they are covered by some notable sources.

However I put a lot of work into the articles, researching them on the web and writing them, and would be interested in using my work, on a Buffy wiki that states openly it does not need the same levels of notability that Wikipedia does (e.g. http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Buffyverse_Wiki). Would it be possible for the article to be put onto my user space:

User:Paxomen/In the Heavyskies, User:Paxomen/Vangelis (Buffyverse)

I would have saved the content myself for use elsewhere, but I was never informed about the deletions. Please could you help out.

Thanks -- Paxomen 17:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. They're in your userspace where you requested :-) — Mets501 (talk) 19:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much. -- Paxomen 13:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[Statement of gratitude]
Because people often complain that RfA thank-you messages are impersonal, I thought I'd give you the opportunity to create your own. --  tariq abjotu  01:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I know I'm the late one, but congrats on your adminship! Every admin helps, especially in relatively less watched areas (such as WP:RM, where I've encountered you many times, but it's great because now you can actually move pages over existing ones!). Keep on partying with your new powers! — Mets501 (talk) 01:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. And on that note, the WP:RM backlog has now been cleared. --  tariq abjotu  01:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion - Snowland
I put up the original speedy deletion request on Snowland. It's quite clear it doesn't asset significance. CSD A7.

As the tag describes: "Note that this request is not binding, and the page may still be deleted if it is considered that the page unquestionably meets the speedy deletion criteria, or if the promised explanation is not provided very soon."

I believe a speedy deletion request is still valid. I'm going to change the tag back to speedy, but feel free to revert it if you still feel it should be Afd. RichMac 02:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Please block vandal again: 74.106.128.229
Please block the following anonymous IP again, this time permanently. The anonymous user with the IP 74.106.128.229 continues a campaign of vandalism and nonsense. I noticed you blocked this IP for 31 hours on Nov. 16, and the vandalism continued after the block was lifted. Spylab 16:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for extending the block. Spylab 22:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Swell (band)
I've noticed that the Swell (band) topic has been deleted. This band have been signed to the well-established Beggars Banquet label in the UK and American Recordings labels in the US, and undertaken numerous international tours. They have also received many reviews from notable music magazines and websites. As such this complies with three parts of the 'notability' requirement for entries. If the band are reinstated, I would be willing to expand the band biography to include provable third-party links to albukm reviews etc.Karlcremin 22:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

karl

WP:CHU
If you would email me with the communication you referenced on WP:CHU, I'll be happy to handle the rename. Special:Emailuser/Essjay works. Essjay ( Talk )  04:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Holocaust Research Team
Hello! Recently the deletion explanation here was that HRT requested it, now it was changed. Do you know why?

--Sergey Romanov 16:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * "What was changed?"
 * Now it says: "20:02, 19 November 2006 Mets501 (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:Holocaust Research Team" (Blatant advertising)"
 * Earlier it said something like "I talked with this user, he has a right to vanish". These words are no longer there. (Thanks for the sig tip.) --Sergey Romanov 08:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

copyedit portal
Hi!

I find it very disturbing and depressing that huge amounts of WP editing time are wasted on unnecessary and clearly amateur discussions of naming and spelling issues. You of course realise that almost all discussions on language use by normal people (i.e. not professional copyeditors or linguists) make fools of almost all participants and that they waste a very large part of editing efforts on WP. I'm getting so fed up with this nonsense that i'd like to ask you what you think about the idea of setting up a copyedit portal or copyedit emergency squad to get some sanity and professionalism into this completely amateur aspect of WP. I've asked a few linguists to join my project, but it would be good to also have members with more traditional approaches to copyedit issues. As you know, almost all modern linguists have a purely scientific approach to language and consider anything OK as long as it's used by more than a few people, and even then they don't label it wrong in anything not communal like a wiki. See Talk:Académie française and Talk:Genealogy for more details... --Espoo 09:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)