User talk:Mhare/Donji Kraji

Trpimirović
Hello, ! I created this TP, so that we can communicate on progress. At this point I have just one remark: this persisting thing with Trpimirović, it has nothing to do with the county Donji Kraji which emerged with the medieval Bosnian state expansion into that region - this claim can be confirmed with both of Mrgić's books, while this bit on Trpimirović has no support in those two references that stand there (one is Mrgić, and other is Yugoslav Encyclopaedia). They will probably insist on mentioning of something on Trpimirović, which was or maybe it wasn't grounded in earlier reality, some 150 years earlier, which is also 150 years before first mention of Donji Kraji, and they will probably claim "neutrality", which is infect nothing more than WP:FALSEBALANCE. There is no Trpimirović in sources which we use, and even if they ever really extended their rule on Pliva or any other part there, that was something which happened without Dojnji Kraje even exists at the time. Keep up the good work.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  19:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, Santasa!
 * Yeah, I've been reading Vego and Anđelić today, but haven't found time to get to the editing. But I have a good idea where to start tomorrow. Donji Kraji was indirectly mentioned only in 1230 by Matej Ninoslav, so yeah, I am not sure how to correlate anything before that. References should be required for sure. We will have article tomorrow here, with a lot of references, and hope resemble a good proper article. Mhare (talk) 22:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please, forgive me that I can't participate more actively in the rest of the article editing with you - I am really dead beaten by "duo's" onslaughts in the last couple of weeks, with all the TP's, AN's, DRN's, RSN's. However, I will follow every step of the way to see how things go and I will be available for you for any even smallest matter, just ping me. And, of course you are right with your conclusions from above post.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , here's Vukčić-Htvatinić CoA with real coloration - (Real coloration - sources and refs available at file homepage). The page was protected from reverts and edit-wars with good edits remaining (you can see from history and Talk page - same thing happened there, some time ago, with another POV pusher), but protection probably expired since then, however that one of the admins warned editors that page should be left alone unless consensus is established on TP.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  19:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , nice catch! Thanks. Mhare (talk) 20:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)