User talk:Miacek/Archives/2008/December

G4
CSD#G4 requires the content to be essentially what was posted before. Jan Trubecki didn't meet that criterion. It also cannot be applied after an AfD results in a keep, as this bundled one did. Cheers, Wily D 14:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The 'bundle' received generally 'delete' votes, only Tõnu Trubetsky was supposed to be maintained. unfortunately, the whole genealogy remained, and I have tried to re-list after recent incidents with the troll .  --Miacek (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Bloom
Yes, he is pain and there is very little we can do. He has ton of IPs, usernames so blocking does not work. because his interest are sooo wide (from Estonia to Ruthenia, from 12th century noblemen to modern music) protecting certain titles does not work either. You can only keep an eye on him and all these articles and revert/delete/block when he shows up. Renata (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. He apparently is not concerned with being outed as a hooligan in Wikipedia, either. I think you have made a number of bold administrative moves and should continue so. In fact, his concoctions were voted to be deleted, with the exception of the article on Tõnu Trubetsky, that people found notable. BTW, I still suspect that User:Flying Saucer belongs to his sock puppet plantation. --Miacek (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Władzimir Wałoc Trubetsky
If this is truly about a spammer (I haven't checked), you're probably better off posting a detailed report to WP:ANI and ask for a checkuser to get the sockpuppetry under control so every further spamming is stopped. - Mgm|(talk) 18:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bloomsfield, Kidsunited and so on and so forth.
In fact it was completely breaking the page layout. I meant to return to it after I finished archiving the 15 or so old cases that were sitting on RFCU but I forgot :/. Since the case is from last year, I simply added a note to the case :). -- lucasbfr  talk 21:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

NPSI
As you know another Wiki cannot be a source for en.Wiki, especially when we are talking about it.Wiki which is hardly neutral. Anyway could you agree on "social democracy, centrism"? --Checco (talk) 15:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I use other wikis esp. if I want to learn of sth that has few or no other web sources.
 * One problem with the suggested "social democracy, centrism" would be that hardly any sources could be found for the notion 'centrism' of NPSI. The party is officially social democratic (socialist), as one would expect from any party with the term socialist in its name. In actual politics they have aligned with the right and are considered part of the centre-right. They are expected to formally merge with the biggest centre-right political force in Italy. So I don't really see what would be the problem with 'social democracy (official), centre-right' that I inserted. --Miacek (talk) 15:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:BABEL
You may want to add babel languages known templates to your userpage.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:45, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll Second that . Do you speak French? 安東尼   TALK 圣诞快乐  17:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I have intermediate understanding of written texts in French, but speaking French is more difficult for me. --Miacek (talk) 17:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what Babel templates are great for :) Let me know if you need any help with adding them.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, adding them would not be difficult (though one can choose not to add any of 'em). FYI, I actually could not add pl-N, despite my user name ;-).--Miacek (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

NAR
You are doing a good Job, be careful not to get into an edit war with the other user. 安東尼  TALK 圣诞快乐  17:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Removing my comments
I'd like to get a second opinion on what in my comments can possibly be construed as defamatory or potentially libellous (libelous) and why are they being deleted. As far as I see it there is absolutely nothing libelous (to anybody) in having raised valid points about article being one-sided, biased and actually defamatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roobit (talk • contribs) 19:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Calling Estonians “ethno-Nazis”, their state a “phony statelet” and similar inflammatory phrases reminds me of a certain newspaper titled Der Stürmer. Wikipedia is not a place for starting a hate campaign against some nations. --Pan Miacek (t) 19:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

about grand kingdom of Lithunia
you are acting unreasonably. Word pagal is a racial untelerance word. It means village bumpkin and was used to make fun from old religion. Leaving it is rude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.111.158 (talk) 18:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

2008 Greek riots
Hi Miacek, nobody ever claimed that Grigoropoulos threw a petrol bomb to the police officers. I know it is in the CNN article, however CNN is not aprimary source. No police report or even the police officer's official deposition claimed that Grigoropoulos threw a molotov cocktail.--Avg (talk) 13:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Trolls and discretion
Hi,

I think it is counterproductive to base encyclopædic decisions on which trolls are banned and which aren't. Instead, article should be created where an article is needed, and redirect should be created where a redirect is needed.

In the case of Putinjugend, there are multiple different plausible spellings. Making the alternative spellings redirects to the main content is just a way to make it easier to find by the readers -- and that, not trolls, should be every true encyclopædian's second concern -- the first concern being the quality of the content. I'm sure you'll agree. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 16:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Based on the availability of sources, I'd say Putinjugend belongs to the same category as the re-direct Näksip to Andrus Ansip.--Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 18:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Still, Putinjugend is a more plausible search term than Näksip, given its coverage in the major publications like The Times, Newsweek and the Boston Globe. I don't Näksip has ever enjoy that kind of coverage. Are you suggesting Putin Youth may be a more suitable title? Martintg (talk) 19:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What is it about "Näksip", anyway? I have never heard of such association, so I'm unable to see the parallels this comparison apparently appears to present. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 01:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Do a little googling with that term ;-) . --Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 10:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm. I'm fairly sure Inno & Irja are not WP:RS. 82.131.108.200 (talk) 18:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

RfA
Hi Miacek,

just wanted to say thanks for nominating and sorry for letting you down. I really should have taken it more seriously in order to gain a wider support. I've withdrawn the acceptance at this time, also left a note up there. thanks again!--Termer (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, all the best. I did expect the old political POV accounts to re-emerge there, but the dogmatic 'Q xyz answers don't convince' and 'it seems that the user has been involved in edit conflicts' etc. were new and unexpected to me. Apparently, people who might not be able to locate Eastern Europe (let alone Estonia) on maps are much more useful and qualified sysops...--Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 16:49, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know what to expect either and wasn't prepared for the whole thing properly obviously. The first comments were right on target, "if you come here, please at least take a look at WP:ADMIN" :-D. And a sysop really doesn't need to know geography or history or anything about any subjects. That's the job for content editors and in that sense, ...I'm happy where I am since being an administrator would put much tighter restrictions on what can you say and etc. if you know what I mean. And I seriously doubt that there is an administrator in me. But I still think it was a valuable experience, I learned a lot so it was all worth it. So thanks again for nomination, cheers and have happy holidays!--Termer (talk) 03:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas for you, too. I personally think that Wikipedia needs more content editors among the sysops, like Piotrus or Renata3. Formal wiki guidelines are sometimes just not enough when facing troubles with content. A clear example of the problem is our present arbitration committee, where very few people (e.g. Kirill Lokshin) actually made an effort in serious cases like this one. Arbitrators' participation in that case was mostly limited to voting... Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 09:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Crime fighting
I think your recent signature change may draw some connections to a certain user who used the same two letters of the alphabet in his two part username. If this means nothing to you, that's fine, if it does... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You probably mean User:Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog? I once noticed this username in Russia-related articles and had a good laugh :-D Hopefully I won't be suspected of being a sock puppet of the captain (or of his dog). --Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 08:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Party for Freedom
You could ask to User:C mon, who definitely has sources and who undoubtely disagrees with the characterization of that party as far right. --Checco (talk) 13:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately User:C mon is the user trying to argue that the party is far-right :S --Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 13:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He is the same user who rejected that characterization in my talk page not more than one month ago. I don't understand why he changed his mind... --Checco (talk) 14:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Roobit thread from WP:AIV
I have moved this thread from AIV to ANI, please see Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Cirt (talk) 13:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

GDP per capita
I got your msg. I may be on a shared IP but it was me. I have an account but i change browsers a lot and don't keep cookies for long. I only make constructive edits. Could you take a look at what I did and reconsider. The article needs a note to explain that the editors of the page are aware that the javascript that sorts the table is totally buggered up at the moment. The article is currently as good as useless until the table is sortable. It is being discussed in the talk page for the article, but the average user / mobile device user etc. will not look there and will just get a load of unsorted data. --81.105.251.230 (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So you should better log in or at least leave your username on talk entries. --Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 15:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)