User talk:Miacek/Archives/2011/November

Governorates vs. Duchies
Hiya, I noticed you added the coat of arms for the Governorate of Estonia to you userpage, so I was wondering what the connection was. I've been doing some reading and a few sources seem to indicate the formal title was actually "Duchy of Estonia", since the Tsars formally held the title Duke of Estonia during that period of Russian rule. The term "Governorate" seems to be more about administrative aspect of that rule, in other words, one could say that the Duchy of Estonia was administered as a governorate of the Russian empire. Your thoughts? --Nug (talk) 02:37, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting thoughts, I checked a few crosswiki links, but the relevant articles in Russian wiki seem to confirm, that the Duchy of Estonia ceased to exist with the Treaty of Nystad, as the Governorate of Reval, founded in 1719, is said to have succeeded the Duchy. Nevertheless, the official title of the Russian Emperor did contain Князь Эстляндский, Лифляндский, Курляндский и Семигальский [...] , i.e. Duke of Esthonia, Livonia, Courland and Semigallia (but the title also includes 'Duke of Schleswig-Holstein' among others). Estlandia (dialogue) 08:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I found this source Russia & Europe in the Nineteenth Century by Roy Bolton which states: "However, Tallinn retained its local self-government, and its cultural and economical autonomy within Imperial Russia under the Duchy of Estonia.", also Foreword to the past: a cultural history of the Baltic people by Endre Bojtár: "Its northern part became the Duchy of Estonia, first under Swedish and then, from 1721, Russian rule". Then we have references to the "Duchy of Estland under the Russian crown" and here. --Nug (talk) 10:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for translation
Thanks for your help with the Estonian translation which allowed the closing of an OTRS ticket. Appreciated Russavia Let's dialogue 11:50, 30 November 2011 (UTC)