User talk:Miacek/Archives/2012/July

Edit warring
Hello Estland. I noteced that you along some other users have been edit warring in several biographies in order to remove the historically accurate place of birth and replace it with modern-day country names.

The point is that you are linking Estonia as "country of birth", exemple here, to a person born in 1982, when in fact Estonia, as clearly stated in the article, only restored its independence in 1991. As much as the occupation may be disputed, the fact is that a person born in Tallin in 1982 is in fact born in Estonian SSR in a country called Soviet Union.

I don´t have any ties or relation to Estonia neither to the region, but I am fully aware of the historical events that happend there, and I do support historical accuracy to be used in encyclopedic articles in opposition to any other tendencies, just as the vast majority of editors do. Doing otherwise brings problems of nationalism and recentism into this debate, and we want to avoid those in this and all other matters.

I also noteced User:Nug´s excuse how the edit is backed by "standard practice in Estonia related articles" however there is no "special standard" for Estonia, and they should seek a consensus on this, rather than highjacking the articles related to one specific country and doing something which is not standard troughout Wikipedia. There was also an explanation provided by User:Jaan but also fails to provide a valid reason why the "merely occupied" situation should be ignored. The occupation lasted for decades, and the fact is that people were born in the Soviet Union while that occupation took place. Otherwise we would be ignoring an important historical event which was the Occupation of the Baltic States, and we don´t want to ignore that fact. The occupation took place, and we should transpond adequately that fact into the articles.

Hoping you´ll open a discussion and seek consensus instead of edit-warring in group, I send you best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 07:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The sources doesn't mention Soviet Union and I have searched for this.They only mention Estonia so per WP:BLP we should stick to what sources say.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 15:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * @FkpCascais, during the period of the "Estonian SSR" you can have
 * Estonia = the country USSR
 * or you can have
 * Estonia the country = occupied by the USSR,
 * but you can't have both. For example, we don't list persons born in Lyon in 1941 as born in "Vichy France." VєсrumЬа ►TALK 15:57, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

KKE
Look this, and please stop the propaganda. --Greek Transistor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please stop edit warring.Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 10:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

You also --Greek Transistor (talk) 20:19, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI
I have mentioned you in this thread. ' Ankh '. Morpork  15:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the notice, if I do find time, I might participate.Estlandia (Miacek) (dialogue) 15:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

AN/I thread Re: Talk:Gdansk/Vote
I started this ANI thread to discuss the AN3 report, as well as related issues, as a neutral party. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 09:45, 26 July 2012 (UTC)