User talk:Miajgoldberg/Deaf Culture - Deaf Bing

I think that this information is a valuable addition to the Deaf Culture page! Like you mentioned at the end, videos would be good to give readers who are unfamiliar with Deaf culture an idea about what these examples look like in real situations. I think that it would be helpful to add more to the summary/definition of "Deaf Bing" that introduces the section (who coined the term "Deaf Bing" if there is a specific person or group, are these examples specific to Deaf communities in the US or general, etc). For the examples, maybe avoid the use of "we" just to keep it more neutral. Another idea would be group the examples (as some of them seem related to each other), but that is just an option. I noticed at the bottom you are looking for references. Several of my ASL classes have required book "Deaf Culture: Exploring Deaf Communities in the United States" as an introduction to learning about Deaf Culture, and several of your examples are noted in that book (it is available online at the university library!).JuliaLeary (talk) 18:06, 5 April 2020 (UTC)JuliaLeary

review
I don't know if my review was visible to you so I'm just going to copy and paste what i wrote there, here. Just in case.

The lead could use some work. I would be curious to see if you could simplify the lead and make it easier to comprehend. I know what bing is but only because I've taken so many ASL classes. I wonder if there is a way to simplify it for hearing people who have no idea.

Your content is great and you provide a lot of great examples but I would interested to see how you could arrange this into an article form. could you include maybe the history or something like that to include more content besides just the examples? For example, hand grabbing how it talks about police officers restraining Deaf people's hands. It might be interesting to tough some upon some of the history of that. Maybe try to explain each example little bit more in depth.

tone is hard for me. The tone seems fine but I worry some people might think it is biased towards Deaf people. Which for me makes sense because it is Deaf focused article. I would ask Naomi what she thinks because this can be very tricky to navigate. I would also try to remove things like "this is not a typo" and such phrases like that. While it makes the article more interesting and fun to read it does make it appear less academic. Sources and References Guiding questions:

sources is gonna be hard. I agree. I wonder...I know in the ASL 1-4 books it talks a lot about Deaf behavioral norms. I'm curious if you might link to those as they are published works. I am including the titles of those books and some other books that might help...emphasize the might! These are books from my Deaf history and culture, and my ASL classes. "Signing Naturally 1,2,3". "Deaf culture: Exploring Deaf communities in the United States". "The Deaf Community in America; History in the making". "The Deaf History Reader". " Open Your Eyes; Deaf Studies Talking". I hope this helps in some way. Organization Guiding questions:

The content is concise and well written. However I would suggest some more organization in terms of content so that it is not just a list. Images and Media Guiding questions: If your peer added images or media

You might be able to find some good images but Wikipedia's copyright policy makes it really hard. I think the link to videos is a Great idea and will definitely help.

I think this is a really great start. Your examples are awesome and very well thought out. Next I would just focus on organization and making it into more of an academic article. I think this could turn out to be a really really cool and fun article. I look forward to how it turns out. Best of luck to you guys!Cam Structure (talk) 03:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)CamStructure

Feedback/Review
Hi! This is a great addition to Wikipedia. Several thoughts here:

In your explanation of how the word "bing" is not a typo... I think you could instead expand on it being a mouth movement (mouth morpheme), how it is a grammatical aspect of ASL (non manual marker), and how it is different from mouthing out words. You could even give some examples of common mouth movements & several Deaf slangs that accompany such movements such as CHA, VEE-VEE, PAH, FSH, etc. Some mouth morphemes may be a bit hard to describe however. I've noticed that several articles pertaining to ASL had some videos as visual examples, which is something that could perhaps be useful for this part. Don't forget to find reliable sources regarding this part of ASL linguistics! I would recommend something, but I can't think of any right now. Perhaps the suggestions given by the other reviewers will have some information regarding this topic.

Also I agree with Cam. You should try to explain what Deaf "bing" means in a way that hearing people who don't know anything about Deaf people & Deaf culture will be able to comprehend. I think the part about behavioral & social norms is good. You could revise the sentence about Deaf Tendencies to say that Deaf Bing means the common(?) tendency of Deaf people in Deaf culture.

The following examples could be placed under a section titled "Deaf Bing Examples" or "Examples of Deaf Bing".

Eye Contact: You could expand on this by explaining how ASL (and all other sign languages) are naturally visual-spatial languages, and that Deaf people are naturally visual people who rely on vision for access, communication, language, and language acquisition & development. Again it all goes back to the development of eye gaze/contact and its role in ASL acquisition/exposure. Therefore for us Deaf people, direct eye contact means that we are listening, that we are paying attention, that we are talking, etc. It plays a role in ASL linguistics and Deaf culture. You could also explain the reason why it comes off as rude if there is a lack of eye contact is because it sends a message that one is not listening or paying attention to the signer. Again it would be great if good sources could be found & used to support all of this, especially the cultural aspect.

For Hand Grabbing, Sports, & Hugs, I think all of that could be put into one category talking about how it is "Deaf bing" for us to be tactile. We hug, we pat arms or backs, we tap shoulders, etc.

Would long good-byes fit under the Deaf Standard Time section?

Meeting new people: Maybe some examples of this could be given, such as how you are expected to give your first AND last name, whether you are hearing or Deaf or HoH, where you are from, is your family hearing or Deaf? etc..... I wonder if there are any good sources written about this cultural tendency. This is not only exclusive to meeting new people either. You could also write about how it is a natural Deaf social/behavioral norm to share a lot.

Progeny: Many Deaf couples hope for a deaf baby and are disappointed if their child is born hearing. << This will definitely need to be expanded on, and good sources as well to support & explain how & why majority of the Deaf community do not consider themselves disabled. It would be a good idea to explain the reasonings as to why that label is rejected, and how Deaf culture & being Deaf is valued & that having a deaf baby would be passing down their Deaf culture and language to the next generation, just like how most hearing families pass down their culture and language to their children.

Storytelling: You could give several examples of Deaf Literature, such as ASL poetry, CL stories/poetry, HS stories, ABC stories, 123 stories, VV etc. You could take a look at some of the sources used in the American Sign Language Literature Wikipedia articles, perhaps they will be helpful.

I hope that my feedbacks were helpful! Lizzah12 (talk) 05:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)