User talk:Mibelz/Archive 2007

Opočenský
Dear Mibelz, Karel Opočensky's Czech name was really Opočenský. (see for example [City of Most website article] or [Year Report of Czech Chess Union with the Czech Chess Player of the Century poll results]. Will You make the renaming of the article, or should I? With regards, Okino 15:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Categories
Hi Misach, if e.g. Karel Traxler is in the category "Czech chess players", you ought not add category "Chess players" ("Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory," from WP:CAT). Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 21:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Misach, you can look at Category:Chess players - it is clearly written there that the category has four subcategories, one of them is Category:Chess players by nationality. And this category has 65 subcategories currently, one of them Category:Czech chess players. That makes clear that every "Czech chess player" is automatically a "Chess player" at the same time, and there is no need to add the later category to the article because it is redundent per WP:CAT. Greetings,--Ioannes Pragensis 11:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Misach, you are true that the description in the category suggested to add the non-GM in the root category - but it was a wrong wording, in light of WP:CAT. I have corrected it already.
 * Regarding the woman grandmaster, there are two possibilities; either they have only the women GM title - like Lenka Ptáčníková - or they have also the unrestricted GM title, like Judit Polgár. The later should have both WGM and GM categories and moreover the special "Female Grandmasters" category to tell them easily from the male majotiry of grandmasters :-) . Have a nice day! --Ioannes Pragensis 19:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I do not wish to remove the "Chess players" category, as we need it for players with unknown nationality or with a nationality without its own category. And moreover it is needed as the main, master category for all the national chess players, grandmasters etc. But understand me (and WP:CAT): if you add the category "Czech chess player" or "Chess grandmaster" to an article, you are at the same time adding "Chess players" there, because "Chess players" is the "commmon father" of all these subcategories. It is the same case like being from Prague means that you are from Bohemia, from Europe, from this World... Read please WP:CAT, it is really useful in this situation and try to understand the hierarchical structure of categories here. Happy editing! --Ioannes Pragensis 20:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Please use talk
Please discuss largescale edits to List of nationality transfers in chess before making them. And please understand the way the article is formatted at the moment before making such edits. The way the chess players are sorted on List of nationality transfers in chess is consistent with the List of nationality transfers in sport and List of nationality transfers in football: 1. Sorted in alphabetical order by "destination country" 2. Sorted in alphabetical order of surname within the destination country. A ecis Bravado 19:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And Savielly Tartakower and others are indeed listed twice, because they've made more than one nationality transfer: they're listed at every country they've played chess for. A  ecis Bravado 19:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Regardless of what I said above, and the perhaps a bit too confrontational tone in which I said it, thank you very much for your excellent expansion of this list. A  ecis Bravado 20:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You made a good point regarding Becker, Eliskases and the Anschluss. Germany should indeed probably be removed from their listings. Regarding Israel: Israel is indeed an Asian country, but the Israel Chess Federation is a member of the European Chess Union, and its chess players are therefore registered with a European confederation. I believe that Israel should therefore be sorted under Europe instead of Asia. A  ecis Bravado 21:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There may be another way to refer to the Anschluss. Michael Shmerkin, a figure skater who has skated for both the Soviet Union and Russia, has been listed with "/🇷🇺" (see List of nationality transfers in sport). Becker and Eliskases could be displayed with "🇦🇹/🇩🇪 Germany". Perhaps we could add a footnote, explaining about the Anschluss. What do you think of this? A  ecis Bravado 21:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The flag of the Third Reich should imo only be used in cases where it is relevant. In the case of German chess players who were German before the Third Reich and/or German afterwards, GER should be used. In some cases GDR or FRG might also be appropriate.
 * The question of where Israel should be sorted can never easily be answered. Israel is geographically in Asia, but is boycotted by many other Asian countries. Many Israeli sports federations are therefore members of European confederations. The decision has been made in other articles to follow the divisions by sporting confederations, and to sort Israel with Europe. I believe that this article should be consistent with those articles. A  ecis Bravado 22:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have raised the issue of where to sort Israel and Turkey at Talk:List of nationality transfers in sport. I would like to ask you to join the discussion there, so that we may establish some sort of consensus with other editors. A ecis Bravado 22:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed :) A  ecis Bravado 15:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Adam Mickiewicz
You believe that Mickiewicz had Jewish roots. The story is based on speculations about Majewski family. If you don't have any academic sources, don't include rather Mickiewicz into your list. Xx236 11:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC) At the same time Mickiewicz included a number of antisemitic phrases into his works and wrote about his Islamic fascinations in Cremean Sonets. Muzeum Literatury has published a research proving that Mickiewicz' mother was Tatar. I don't care if she was Chinese or Russian, if you care and want to wage a war in Internet, you would rather read the article and prove that the Belarussian author was wrong. Xx236 14:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

As I have written, I don't care if Mickiewicz's mother was Chinese. If you want to prove, that the Belarusian archivist doesn't understand the difference between islamic Tatars and Karaims, do it. At the moment he seems to be competent enough. Xx236 12:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I would just put in all supported statements, with indications of support. --Epeefleche 11:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

NPA
 Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Your edit was highly disruptive and provoked Galassi to lead a revert war. The problem is that Thank you. --Beaumont (@)  14:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * the case was jugded before by many editors and some admnins; as a result the anounymous user was already blocked for this
 * neither you, nor Galassi can give _any_ reliable sources (see WP:VER, WP:RS) and your edits are somehow contrary to the common sense. Please make clear what is your rationale and stop accusing me of nationalism (please correct your offending entry on Galassi talk page).

czech chess championship
czech and czechoslovakia are 2 different bagatelle. --Mt7 10:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Abraham Mapu
Mibelz

When you add default sort in front of categories you do not need to add the last name first, first name last after each category. The default sort does that for you and will also do it for your stubs. Bluetooth954 16:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hungarian-Jewish chess players
The point about this category was to reduce the categories in some biographies, if you include it remove Hungarian Jews, Hungarian Chess Players, and Jewish Chess Players. PatGallacher 17:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi! I dislike any vandalism too. I have found Category: Hungarian-Jewish chess players with two names: Judit Polgar and Laszlo Szabo, and I have shoked because of lack their names in another more important categories: Hungarian chess players, Jewish chess players, etc. So I have decided to put many other players into a curious category Hungarian-Jewish chess players. Personally, I am against this category which probably was created by a Hungarian nationalist. I think, it will be better to remove category "Hungarian-Jewish chess players" from Wikipedia. Now I am doing it. Best wishes Mibelz, PhD, 18:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I think you have misunderstood how the Wikipedia category system works. The category Hungarian-Jewish chess players is a sub-category of Hungarian Jews, Hungarian Chess players, and Jewish chess players, so if somebody is in the first category it is unnecessary to put them in the 3 others. It was me who created this category, I am not a Hungarian nationalist, I created it to create a more orderly structure to the categories. PatGallacher 18:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry Pat but in my opinion "The point about this category was to reduce the categories in some biographies" is not a good idea. In any case, categories: Hungarian chess players, Jewish chess players, Hungarian Jews must to contain all persons, respectively. It is necessary not only for Hungarians. Of course it is possible to add new categories or sub-categories.

By the way, I have written many articles on Hungarian chess players for Wikipedia. Among others, the following persons who are right for a new sub-category Hungarian-Jewish chess players: Ernő Gereben, Imre König, Gyula Kluger, Gyula Makovetz, Joseph Noa, Endre Steiner, Lajos Steiner, etc. Mibelz 19:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing Soviet chess players
I've created a section on the WikiProject chess talk page to discuss how we should categorize Soviet chess players within Category:Chess players by nationality. Since you have been a prolific contributor to our chess biographers, I invite you to weigh in with your views at WT:CHESS if you like. Quale 05:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Chess biographies
You're doing nice work on chess biographies, thanks. Quale 00:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Quale. And because you are already more than a year here, dear Mi, I will give you...


 * Dears Quale and Ioannes Pragensis, thank you very much for your opinion and the distinction. Mibelz 16:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Belz 1508
The reason that the picture won't upload is because the 1508 variant is not on wikimedia commons. How to get it there however is unfortunately not something that I have experience with- --Orestek 03:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

German Chess Championship
Hi, I noticed you did add a reference to this page, which is good, but you didn't add any context, which would be in the form of an introductory paragraph explaining the information on the page. While list articles are acceptable, even they should have an introduction You may wish to look at WP:LIST for an explanation. Or WP:LS for a discussion on how to write a lead section. FrozenPurpleCube 15:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, this also applies to Italian Chess Championship. The lead section there is highly inadequate.  Feel free to ask me for further help if you need it.  FrozenPurpleCube 15:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And you may wish to see British Chess Championship an an example page that has sufficient context. FrozenPurpleCube 15:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi FrozenPurpleCube, I'll try to write something on particular issues. Mibelz 17:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine, and if you can't, just leave the context tag up so if somebody who can comes by, perhaps they'll see the tag and decide to improve it. FrozenPurpleCube 19:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear FrozenPurpleCube, Of course British Chess Championship is a good example page but – in my opinion – it is a lot better to get a list including names, dates and references without context information, than nothing. By the way, I could make ready lists of Swedish, Estonian, etc., championships but lack of a context. Best wishes, Mibelz 8:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree in principle that it's better to have a referenced and sourced list of names than nothing (and in case it's not obvious, an unreferenced and unsourced list is potentially worse than nothing). This doesn't make a bare list of names good.  It means it's just better than nothing.  There's a difference between saying "this should be removed" and "this should be improved" .  I'm saying the latter, not the former, to you in particular, because I've noticed you've been quickly providing these lists.  That's not a bad thing, but it'll help if you know the work isn't done simply because the data has been provided.  You may want to look at the Sport and games section of the featured lists page to see some examples.  Again, if you can't do it yourself, that's ok, just leave the context tag up so somebody else might be inspired to fix it.  FrozenPurpleCube 14:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Soviet defectors
Hi Peter Ballard, Sorry but you are wrong on Soviet defectors from Baltic countries (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) which were part of the Soviet Union in 1940-1941 and 1944-1990. So, Karlis Ozols as a Soviet citizen, along with many other Baltic chess players (Arlauskas, Dreibergs, Endzelins, Jursevskis, Laurine, Mednis, Tautvaisas, Vaitonis, Zemgalis, etc.) who escaped at the end of WW II to West, was a Soviet defector! Mibelz 8:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Jewish chess players
Hi. Tx for your good work on the list. Two queries. One, and you may have done this, but are you indicating that the chess player is a grandmaster on the list where that is the case? That is the current format, so if it might be followed for the additions you have made, that would be great. Second, which really stems from my thinking of the first issue. Are the additions all appropriate for the list? The list is an attempt not to list all Jewish chess players on Wiki, but the more prominent ones (as we do with Jewish baseball players, etc.). To find all, one need only go to the category. The criteria at the top of the section is as follows: "This list includes Jews who have had outstanding achievements in sports. The criteria is: a) 1-3 places winners at major international tournaments; b) for team sports, winning in preliminary competitions of finals at major international tournaments, or playing for several seasons for clubs of major national leagues; and c) owners of world records." If you could give some thought to that, and -- given your expertise in chess -- determine whether any of the non-grandmaster additions (or prior existing persons) should actually then be deleted, that would be great.  Thanks.--Epeefleche 11:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Epeefleche! Thanks for your opinion and reservations. First of all, I agree with you that the list is not for all Jewish chess players on Wiki. From the other hand, two issues are debatable – the Grandmaster title and a level of chess toutrnaments. Especially, it concerns to the early period, until the year 1950 (both lack of formal criteria).


 * However, it is necessary to add the following missing ones, because of criteria you wrote and suitable references for it (i.e. The Jewish Encyclopedia, Chess http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view_page.jsp?artid=437&letter=C&pid=4, The Great Jewish Chess Champions written by Harold Ribalow and Meir Ribalow http://www.jewsinsports.org/Publication.asp?titleID=4&current_page=13, etc.): Gyula Makovetz, Moritz Porges, Paul Lipke, Richard Teichmann, Carl Schlechter, and Boris Spassky.


 * Now, I am going to change the List. In my opinion, some names ought to be deleted (i.e. Abrahams, Chernev, Divinsky, Judd, Tyroler, etc.) but others should stay (see below).

Evgeny Agrest GM, rating 2561; Abraham Baratz 1st, ahead of Janowski, at Hyeres 1926, and 2-4th, behind Tartakower, at Paris 1929; Benjamin Blumenfeld 2-3rd with Rubinstein, behind Salwe, at St Petersburg 1906 (4th RUS-ch), and 2-3rd with Marco, behind Chigorin, at Moscow 1907; Jacobo Bolbochan twice champion of Argentina (1931, 1932) and winner of two individual medals in Chess Olympiads (Warsaw 1935 and Buenos Aires 1939); Erich Cohn 2nd, behind Alekhine at Stockholm 1912 (8th Nordic-ch); Wilhelm Cohn 2-4th with Charousek and Chigorin, behind Burn, at Cologne 1898 (11th DSB-Congress); Moshe Czerniak 3-4th with Stahlberg, behind Najdorf and Keres, at Buenos Aires 1939, 2nd, behind Frydman at B.A. 1941, and 1st at Vienna 1951 (4th Schlechter Memorial); Arthur Dunkelblum 2nd-3rd, behind Rossolimo, at Gijon 1950; Berthold Englisch 1st at Leipzig 1879 (1st DSB-Congress), and 1st-3rd with Blackburne and A. Schwarz at Wiesbaden 1880; Samuel Factor 2nd, behind Ed Lasker, at Cleveland 1921 (22nd WCA), 1st at Louisville 1922 (23rd WCA), and winner of U.S. team silver medal at The Hague 1928 (2nd Chess Olympiad); Alexander Flamberg 2-3rd with Salwe, behind Rubinstein, at Warsaw 1911, and 3rd, behind Alekhine and Nimzowitsch at St Petersburg 1913/14 (8th RUS-ch) … be continued … Shalom, Mibelz 19:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

We are on the same page. Tx. Shabat shalom. --Epeefleche 19:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

John van der Wiel
I have a question about John van der Wiel. The only sources I have for his birth date (Jeremy Gaige, Chess Personalia, and ) give 09 August 1959. You have 19 March, but don't list any references in the article. Do you know which date is correct? Quale 06:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Quale! Maybe the birth date I have written is incorrect. I took it from a Polish chess encyclopedia Litmanowicz, Władysław & Giżycki, Jerzy (1986, 1987). Szachy od A do Z. Wydawnictwo Sport i Turystyka Warszawa. ISBN 83-217-2481-7 (1. A-M), ISBN 83-217-2745-x (2. N-Z). I think we ought to find other sources. By the way, I have just changed the date. Best wishes, Mibelz 10:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool. Feel free to add any sources you use to your articles as a reference, even if they are not in English.  Although the English wikipedia prefers English sources, it in no way requires them.  Non-English sources are much better than no sources at all.  In time, if English sources are found they can add to or replace the other sources. Quale 07:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Swedish Chess Championship
Thanks for your careful examination of the page. The entries for both matches and tournaments that I put in Swedish Chess Championship up to 1985 all came from Ken Whyld's Chess, The Records. It's possible that there are some mistakes, especially in the matches. The official website of the Swedish Chess Federation seems to have different details for these early years. If you find any corrections, feel free to make them on the page. If you want to discuss any issues you find in detail, we can use Talk:Swedish Chess Championship. This can work well when different references don't agree. User:Peter Ballard and I worked through some details on Talk:Australian Chess Championship that greatly improved the accuracy of that page. Quale 20:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Samuel Rosenthal
I have a question regarding the tournament he won In 1887, he tied for 5-7th in Frankfurt (tournament B – Barnes won). I assume it referrs to Frankfurt am Main not Frankfurt (Oder). Am I right? Masti 15:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Masti! You are right, the tournament was held in Frankfurt am Main (5th DSB-Congress, Hauptturnier). Rosenthal played in B tournament eliminations. Finally, Hauptturnier was won by Johann Bauer. By the way, the master tournament at Frankfurt 1887 was won by George Henry Mackenzie. Best wishes, Mibelz 16:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you very much for the distinction. Mibelz 10:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

New articles
Congratulations on your newly aquired barnstar, you so much deserve it! You create a lot of new articles, and in relation to that i would like to ask you something. If you create a new one, would it be possible for you to:
 * add it to the list of chess topics. This is a very useful page, as the related changes link on the page shows all the last chances on all articles in that list. (it is like a huge watchlist for chess related articles useful for those that monitor changes (including spam) on chess pages)
 * put the Chess-WikiProject template on the discussion page? That is : . In this way, the article is immediately part of the Chess WikiProject. Another advantage is that it advertises the Chess WikiProject, so hopefully we get more people to join. Thanks a lot! Voorlandt 13:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks a lot for adding them now. However please note that the template should go on the discussion page (talk page), rather than on the article page itself. So I went over your recently created articles and corrected that.Voorlandt 21:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

List of chess players
Hi there. I agree with your comment. Having the names entered on the list without the corresponding articles just make the list look untidy. I think they are all articles that need to be written, but users have their own priorities and resources, so these 'suggested' articles are mostly ignored. They may also be an encouragement to vandals, who sometimes add non-notable chess players. I will remove them now. No doubt new ones will be added in due course and I would probably leave any new, sensible 'red' entries for a short while to see if the article is following along. Brittle heaven 23:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Tx Brittle heaven, I agree with you. All the best, Mibelz 11:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Carl Goering
Hello again. In case you are unaware, there is a discrepancy noted on the Goering talk page - he appears to be playing tournaments after his death. Can you check your information? Unfortunately I don't have any records of the player, other than to confirm that the date of death is correct. Thanks, Brittle heaven 23:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Brittle heaven ! I have just removed a fragment took from http://db.chessmetrics.com (Göring, Carl T - tournaments after 1879, the correct date of Carl Theodor Goering's death). Mibelz 9:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Budapest Gambit
Hello Mibelz, and thanks for the interest you give to the Budapest Gambit! In terms of noun, I feel the same as you do, as I have always heard "Budapest Gambit" and never "Budapest Defence". However, when I proposed the change (see Talk:Budapest Defence) some contributors prefered to stay with "Budapest Defence", so the change has been declined. SyG 16:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Poles
An article that you have been involved in editing, List of Poles, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of Poles. Thank you. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 17:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Shraga Hager
Hi, there is currently a discussion about the notability of Rabbi Shraga Hager your insight on this would greatly be appreciated. Have a beautiful day--יודל 13:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Yidisheryid for the information. I have just written my opinion (Strong keep) on it. Shalom, Mibelz 20:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Category chess players
Hi! Please have a look at the Wikiproject talk page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess, where this has been discussed. The main point is that when an article is in a subcategory (in this case for instance Britisch chess players, Polish chess players etc.), it shouldn't be in the master category. (Just like we don't put all chess players in the Category:Sportspeople. So the category should not be removed, only not populated directly. I hope this makes sense to you.Voorlandt 13:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello! Please look at the Category:Chess players where is written: "This category and its subcategories include notable chess players. Players who have been awarded the Grandmaster title will be found in the subcategory chess grandmasters(...)". Now many players (more than three hundred) are in this category and some are not. What is the criteria for it ? I would like to know what is a substantial difference - in that case - between for example Aloni and Czerniak ? So, the solution is simple: to add all or none chess players (of course, except grandmasters).

By the way, there is structural disorder in categories British chess players, English chess players and Scottish chess players. There are players in both categories, i.e. Cochran (British and Scottish), Mieses (British and English), and others only in one category, i.e. Short (English), Zukertort (British). Why ? In my opinion, all of British chess players ought to be also in English, or Scottish, or another (Welsh, Irish, etc.) subcategories. Mibelz 14:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi! I have responded in the Wikiproject chess talk page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess, so other people can join the discussion as well. For now I will wait to change categories, to see what others say. Voorlandt 15:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I am continuing to sort out these categories, because everyone seems to agree on the talk page. Hope you don't mind. Voorlandt 09:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Voorlandt ! I will not stand in the way of it. However, I have a new idea to create Category:Chess masters as an alternative to Category:Chess grandmasters. Think about it, please. Best wishes. Mibelz 16:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Finnish Chess Championship
Thanks for spotting my bad entry for 1932. I carelessly put in the wrong Krogius. It should have been Ragnar Krogius (1903 Jäaski –1980 Stockholm). Quale 21:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see you added a good reference to the article which has all the results, including those since 1985 where I stopped. Quale 19:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Quale ! I see your good work in various places, among others at List of national chess championships. Do you intend to create Lithuanian Chess Championship? Perhaps a reference (since 1943) would be useful for it. I have also found an information about early Lithuanian champions (Vladas Mikenas - 1936, Povilas Vaitonis - 1934, 1937, 1938, 1942, and 1944, Isakas Vistaneckis - 1935, 1941). Best wishes, Mibelz 20:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hungarian Chess Championship
Greetings. Thanks for sorting out the Tata/Tatatavaros mix-up for me. It must be quite useful to have such a good grasp of European geography and languages!

Unfortunately, the numbering system is a little too much for me to take on right now. I don't have enough knowledge of Austro-Hungarian, pre-war and post-war Hungarian history, otherwise I might be able to follow Ikaria's excellent example. I am hoping I will one day stumble across a Hungarian website that contains all of the missing entries. What are the chances? Brittle heaven 11:09, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian Chess Championship
Actually I think you've done more to improve the articles on List of national chess championships than I have. I've only been picking off the low hanging fruit, primarily using a single reference (Whyld's Chess: The Records) that's 20 years old so I don't have many results since 1985. You've added more recent results, found some of my mistakes, and added references in languages other than English. Your language skills are a big help. I have only English and very weak high school French. Anyway, I do want to have a complete record of all national chess championships in Wikipedia, including Lithuania. We already have Estonia and Latvia, so that would complete the Baltic states. I'll take a look at the reference you found. Feel free to create the Lithuanian Chess Championship article if you like (and certainly please create it if I take too long to get to it). Thanks. Quale 19:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made a start on Lithuanian Chess Championship based on the fine website reference you found, and a tiny bit of information from Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess. I looked for as many full names as I could find in Gaige's Chess Personalia and at http://www.fide.com/ratings, but I couldn't find several and had to leave those entires with just first initials.  It took me a while to realize that "R. Cholmovas" = "Ratmir Kholmov". You mentioned that you have some information on early years of the tournament.  Golombek says the first was in 1929, so I hope that agrees with what you have.  Quale 03:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Belarusian Chess Championship does need a lot of help.  Normally I wouldn't have created an article like that with only a single result, but I was confident that I could get at least 10 years history in it and I hoped that someone would be able to expand it. Quale 14:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Latvian Chess Championship
Hi, I noticed you were working on this article and had a look for the recent champions. I think the list can be found here: (1990-2005), although I am not sure! Here are the results from 2005: Voorlandt 21:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian Chess Championship
Hi!,
 * About Machtas: I can't find any other chess players with machtas as surname in my database. Z. Machtas and S. Machtas are these Lithuanian, because Alexandras Machtas is, and was pretty good at that time. I think this is the same Machtas you mentioned in the article on David Enoch.
 * I am afraid I have no information on the early Lithuanian championships. However I think the list as we have it now is complete, if what we have is correct: 3. 1923, 4.1930, 5.1934, 6.1935, 7.1936, 8.1937, 9.1938, 10.1941 (otherwise the count is not correct). Btw, in the introduction it is written that the championship first started in 1929, so something is not right there.Voorlandt 20:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Something else strange, in the article Povilas Vaitonis it says he became champion also in 1944, but then the count is no longer correct. Voorlandt 20:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

National Chess Championships
Hi!, I found a link which lists many national chess championships:. For instance, it has the winners of the Bulgarian Chess Championship we are missing. It also lists national chess championships which we don't have yet. Voorlandt 14:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

City Chess Championships
I didn't remove the City championships from Category:Chess national championships as any kind of rebuke, I just didn't think it fit well. It seems to me that a National category should cover at least an entire nation, and city championships don't fit. The Denker business is iffier, but arguably nationwide competitions for youth would fit under a national category. If you want to put them back in, I won't revert it. If we had enough city championships we could create a separate category for them, but I don't think that's going to happen soon, so I thought that simply Category:Chess competitions would be fine.

About how to handle women's championships: we could settle on a single way to handle these, but there are some considerations. Putting everything in one table doesn't work well when the men's and women's championships are sometimes held in different cities, such as Romanian Chess Championship. Separate sections should always be fine, although it has the possibility of creating very long articles if we have a lot of material. Right now U.S. Chess Championship isn't very good, but I'd like to significantly expand it with a paragraph of discussion about each individual championship. That would make it pretty long to merge U.S. Women's Chess Championship into it, especially if the U.S. Women's Championship page was also expanded. (I've already added a bit on the 1962 U.S. Women's Ch. to the article, and I should be able to do about the same for every U.S. Women's championship since then as a local library has Chess Life starting from then. Quale 02:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mibelz, I have copied and commented on the women's championships here Talk:List_of_national_chess_championships, maybe we can further discuss this issue there. Voorlandt 08:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Spanish Chess Championship
Hi, I copied and pasted the winners list from the Federación Española de Ajedrez (FEDA) website. Older results are from link: (this links also confirms the 28,29 and 32,33 results). Voorlandt 10:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Italian Chess Championship
Thanks for adding the women's winners to Italian Chess Championship. Your work on chess articles including biographies and tournaments has been excellent and continues to be much appreciated. Quale 18:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Edgar Poe and Chess
Hi! I'm fairly well aware of Poe's "Maelzel's Chess Player" but I still don't see evidence that he should be included on a list of "avid" chess players. Just because he wrote an article on hot air balloons, for example, doesn't make him a balloon expert. Unless I see a source that says explicitly that he not only played chess, but that he was an avid player, it just doesn't seem like an appropriate listing. Thanks! --Midnightdreary 15:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Bulgarian Variation
Hi, thanks for your search for sources on the Bulgarian Variation. I have posted a reply on my talkpage... Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Alexandru Tyroler
Hi! I would like to ask some corrections on this page. His name was Sándor Tyroler and not Alexandru. His nationality was hungarian and not roumanian. He was born in 19. okt. 1891. Garamszentkereszt/Hungary at that time, now Slovakia/ and died in 3. febr.1973. Budapest/Hungary/ He was my grandmother's brother, so I am sure that it's correct.


 * Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyroler (talk • contribs) 17:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)