User talk:MichaelKrobinson

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Hi,. I welcome you to Wikipedia! Thank you for all of your edits. I hope you like editing here and being part of Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four squiggles (~&#126;); when you save the page, this will turn into your name and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or put  (and what you need help with) on your talk page and someone will show up very soon to answer your questions. Again, welcome! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I answered your question, I hope

 * answered you :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Quick note
I see you've been working on it, I'll look at it more later as I'm about to head off line. You might want to have a quick look at WP:CITE, which shows how to cite sources. Have a good evening! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing me to the references question. I spent sometime yesterday on the cheatsheet section looking for just that info. I'm still getting used to the markup language. I was surprised that I had to compile the end notes myself, which is why they look the way they do now. MichaelKrobinson (talk) 12:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I made an edit to the lead that shows some of the formatting to see if that will help. You might want to read WP:LEAD that shows how to develop the lead article. An article that you might want to look at is Good Samaritan Hospital (Suffern). I didn't want to show that one lest it seem self-promotion because I wrote it, but I think it might help. It's not a perfect article and I need to do some work on it, but I think it will help guide your writing. Rather than focus on the directory listings, which are definitely appropriate for such things as the JCAHO certification, try to see what others had to say abou tthe hospital such as this article. Does that help at all?
 * Thanks, I'll take all the help I can get, and I wouldn't worry about the self promotion. BTW, I'm trying to get you to spoon feed me this stuff, either. I was a little short on time last week. I'm really grateful for the pointers. I've got a couple of quiet days here and hope to work on this a little now. Is any article ever perfect.. Writing is never finished, it's merely abandoned. Read your other user talk thread... Haiku, eh funny how no one ever writes a sonnet or a something with an Alexandrine in it. MichaelKrobinson (talk) 16:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to help those who are willing to listen and learn, as you showed from your very first comment to me. None of us were perfect when we began editing here, and we can only learn from help. Unfortunately it's me who is a little short on time this week so responses may be slow, but they will come. Have a good day ! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I spent a lot of time on the page today, so I'd like to know if I've got the citations fixed. I've moved on to adding some additional content. My goal is to have this ready to be moved out of my userpage in a week or so. It's getting to be a little more fun as I've figured out the markup better. CheersMichaelKrobinson (talk) 21:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "getting to be a little more fun" I love to hear that. :) You've done a really good job with it and I like that you've gotten into the habit of using edit summaries like you did here. It will definitely be ready to move back to mainspace within a few days. Once you've finished adding content I suggest you read quickly through wikifying an article and see how you can improve the article, format wise, to make it look more like a Wikipedia article. That's in the category of 'finishing touches' more than anything else. Flow wise, I think I'd suggest you move history above the services. I think if I were reading about a hospital I'd be curious to see it's overview and then once I knew it was founded as Putnam...then I'd want to know its services and partner orgs. To me it seems to bring the article through the hospital's development. That's just my opinion as a reader unfamiliar with the hospital, by no means a must do. You've done a really good job with this and made a good article. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 00:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

=wikipedia suggestion= Tcari, I have a suggestion that you can pass up to mysterious mods above. A neat feature from a user's perspective would be the ability to edit all the references from an article on a single page. EG, I know i need to go back in an clean up some refs so they're consistent. Being able to do that without seeing the page content would be nice. I'm not sure technically how you could do it... MichaelKrobinson (talk) 13:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you clarify? I'm not sure I follow you on that. Thanks! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * sure, maybe it's already possible and I just don't know how to do it. When entering references one-by-one, it's tough to ensure that they're consistently formatted and contain the same information. Being able to see the code for all the references from an article by themselves conflated on one page would enable one to more easily check that and clean up inconsistencies. Make sense now?

MichaelKrobinson (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think so, if I'm understanding you properly. If you edit the whole article at once you should be able to see what you're looking for. IF that's not what you're asking, I apologize. Work has eaten my brain. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, I get that I can see them all if I edit the whole article. I want to see the references without the body copy in between, sort of stacked one after another all by themselves. Imagine being able to edit them on a single page in order and have those changes flow back to the main body... that's what I want to do. IMO, beer in moderation is a pretty good curative for your brain problem ;)MichaelKrobinson (talk) 18:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh beer would be wonderful -- failing that, I think I'll have some chocolate which is more socially acceptable at 10:15 AM. You've done a great job with the article, happy to move it back to main space now if you feel you're ready. Let me know. I made one minor change to the reference list formatting to balance it across two columns. To me it looks better but that's a matter of personal opinion so feel free to change it. As to your question above -- I'm not sure if it's possible but I've asked around and will let yo uknow if I hear. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * chocolate's good too, especially at 10:15, you get the wrong kind of rep for having a beer then. The format tweak looks good thanks for that. If you think it's ready for mainspace go ahead. I don't quite understand what moving it from place to place does in terms of bots and speedy deletion. I don't want to get slammed again. I'm off tomorrow, so I probably won't be looking at this again until Monday. I still have more work I plan to do on it. I like the info box you put up on the one you designed, so I may add one of those. Thanks for all your help with this. MichaelKrobinson (talk) 21:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I went with the new Starbucks mint drink -- hit the spot without the weird looks. The article definitely won't be speedied because the intial concerns of copyvios and notability have been addressed. While someone can always come along and tag it with issues, I don't honestly see that happening because you've done a solid job. They could conceivably tag it with COI but I would contest that as you've created a neutral, balanced article. Moving it to main space retains the contribution history so you get "credit" for your work on that article. I'll also add it to the Vermont and Medicine wiki projects so editors interested in those fields may see it. You're of course free to continue working on it in main space, article space is just suggested because there it's allowed to be imperfect and safe from speedy deletions. So when you come back on Monday you'll see a redlink at User:MichaelKrobinson/Southwestern Vermont Medical Center and the article will be at Southwestern Vermont Medical Center where you edit it as normal. Am happy to continue helping, you've been a good 'student' for lack of a better word. Enjoy your long weekend, I'm jealous. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * and it is done :) I added some categories but that's it. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Woohoo, "B Class"
Someone assessed the article as B class. That's a good thing, as you can see at WP:ASSESS. Congrats on a job well done. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * thanks for all your help on this article. I'm grateful for the pointers and tweaks. I still plan to polish a little here and there.

MichaelKrobinson (talk) 15:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)