User talk:MichaelT1979/Archive 1

West Green Primary School, Crawley
An article you started, West Green Primary School, Crawley, has been listed for deletion. Please be aware that discussion is taking place at Articles for deletion/West Green Primary School, Crawley should you wish to comment. Silensor 18:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Key Stage 3
Thanks for the explanations about the changes you made to my edits. I had rather though it was Information and Communication Technology without an 's' but it appears with an 's' on the Wiki ICT page which is why I added the 's'. If you are right then that page will also need changing.

The whole business of the use of the term "high school" is very confusing. As you have seen I've made changes to the high school page because there seems to be an assumption amongst our North American friends that high school is the normal term for a secondary school. I wasn't aware that there were some middle schools in England which are known as high schools. I wonder if perhaps the sentence in the Key Stage 3 article needs some further amplification as otherwise readers in America will assume that by high school you are referring to a school which educates all children from 11 to 18 (as I did). I rather assumed that someone in America had added the word "high" as they seem to have something called junior high schools in America which I believe are the equivalent of our middle schools. It's very difficult sometimes trying to get definitions which can be understood by a worldwide readership. I think it might possibly be useful if you could add something to the high school article to explain the usage in your area. Dahliarose 23:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for your comments on my user page. The situation with regards to the use of the term ''high school" in the UK seems to be even more complicated than I realised. It does sound as though you would need a whole article to explain it all and it is probably not worth the effort as international readers will only get confused and the subject is probably not of any relevance to most people in the UK. I still wonder about the use of high school on the Key Stage 3 page as again I think this usage has the potential to cause confusion, especially if the term is only used in a small minority of UK schools. Dahliarose 22:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Iceland (supermarket)
In the future, when someone adds masses of text from the site of a company, have no hesitation about calling it on sight. Such text is 99.999% of the time copyrighted and an equal amount of the time very biased or, at best, a very conflicted, suspect source that should be cited for bare facts and not plagiarized. I've removed the text from the articel; thanx for adding the copypaste template, I never would've seen it otherwise ;D! (PS. If you want to reply, use my talk page (User_talk:68.39.174.238, I'll see it there).

Darton High School
Thank you so much for your improvements to the Darton High School entry. KevinCuddeback 17:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Maintained
Why don't you link to an appropriate article then? At present it is not clear to non-brits. 76.186.106.159 23:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Commons account
I assert to be the same user as commons:User:tafkam Tafkam 20:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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"I have made my feelings clear, but I really do feel that the term 'middle school' can be seen as inclusive of junior high, junior secondary, intermediate and middle-years schools; the reverse is not true in any case."

Do you have a reference for that? (MrsMacMan 22:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC))


 * As I have stated several times, we can take our lead from organisations such as the National Middle School Association in the USA which welcomes members in middle, intermediate and junior-high schools among others; the Middle Schools' Forum in the United Kingdom which welcomes members of any type of school bridging the primary/secondary divide, including middle, intermediate, high [in the UK sense] and all-through schools, the European League for Middle Level Education, which considers itself to be the European affiliate of America's NMSA. I have not yet found a single association which considers itself to welcome all types of middle level education institutes, but calls itself a 'Junior High' institute - I would gladly be corrected if you can find one. Tafkam 14:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Query
helpme For a third time, someone has added what I presume is themselves as a notable alumnus at Hazelwick School. Twice I have reverted the edit - the second time suggesting via a talk page that if the poster wanted to add it again that they corroborate their view. I now don't want to revert a third time, but what should I do? Just wait and hope someone else changes it? Tafkam 18:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Raise a discussion on the article's talk page. Excessive revert warring could lead to a block on both sides.   Mi r a n da   18:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Since you have already explained on their talk page, if he continues it looks like the person's sole purpose on Wikipedia is to edit war to add himself to the article, possibly as advertising, so the user or IP address can be blocked if he continues and/or the article can be semi-protected, which I will do if necessary. —Centrx→talk &bull; 18:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What Miranda said is not really relevant to this particular situation, though it is good to be careful. —Centrx→talk &bull; 18:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And for future reference, here is a useful table of templates you can use as warnings on userpages, while this is the place where you can request a block for people who continue to obviously break the rules even after you've delivered a final warning. It's good manners to make sure you've used the level 4 warning on the talk page before requesting a block. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help folks. So should I remove the offending link one more time, and make a note on the talk pages at the same time? I notice that the same entry has, unfortunately, been added using 3 different 'accounts' - two IP and one username. Does that make any difference? Tafkam 18:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC) Sorry - just noticed that you have already reverted for me Centrx. Thank you. Tafkam 18:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Further edits
Sorry folks. This chap has posted his name again as notable alumni on Hazelwick School which I have again reverted (at risk of breaking the 3-revert rule, I realise). I looked at the warnings recommended by User:Centrx, but couldn't find one that really fitted the circumstances, so have posted an advisory note on the user's talk page. It seems a bit premature to request a block, but should I do anything else at this stage? And if not, what should be my next move if this is repeated again? Thanks Tafkam 22:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

If he does it one more time you can revert and give him a final warning using Article Andyreply 22:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Tafkam 22:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Crawley progress
Hi Tafkam - thanks very much for the work you've been doing on the Crawley "redesign" on my userpage. A lot of progress has already been made; I'm starting to feel more encouraged! At some point I am going to try to go up to Crawley library and get some relevant books out; then the really heavy-duty "history"-type stuff can get underway. I see you have provided lots of excellent references as well. Extra thanks for filling in those missing neighbourhood colours - you can now see why I was needing them! (See the "Colours" sub-section, which I will integrate into the main part of the article when I think of where best to put it.) The colour-coding of areas is quite unusual in itself - I can't think of any other towns or cities where such a "procedure" exists - and I have a source to quote (a 1970s map, which explains why it lacked the ones you filled in!) to get away from the dreaded WP:OR considerations. Hassocks5489 18:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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Primary/Elementary School
Hi. I'm afraid I've reverted your edits that redirected Elementary school to Primary school. There was some debate about the use of the different labels in recent months, mainly due to rash actions of a poster (who I believe has since been banned). The general consensus of thse debates was to incorporate two separate articles. Notably, the UK definitions of primary & elementary education are very different, and so not synonymous. I realise the edits were done in good faith, but refer you to discussions at Talk:Primary education amongst others to see the issues raised in the past. Regards Tafkam 21:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I still believe it's a bad solution and I don't find the discussion on Talk:Primary education as extensive as you make it sound. Certainly the articles can easily be merged. --  tariq abjotu  22:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I grant you that the discussions at that page are not comprehensive, but there were considerably discussions lost with various moves, redirects, and page-blanking activities that were carried out at the time. I'd also argue that the articles are sufficiently distinctive as to warrant separate pages. Any generalities would be best covered in the Primary education page. The two school entries deal only with each type of school, and while there are marked similarities between what US users call elementary school, and what UK users call primary school, there are equally marked differences between the use of the terms within each country. For example, if you read the UK entry on Elementary school you will see that it refers to a now disfunct category of school which provided full education from 5-14 - very different from the current primary schools that serve only pupils up to 11 before a further 5-7 years of secondary education. As such, the articles cover quite distinct issues and should, in my opinion, remain separate. Tafkam 00:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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Crawley work now moved across to article space
Just to let you know, I have finished the extra bits and copyediting needed, and have moved everything across to Crawley. I'll put forward a Good Article nomination now. Hassocks5489 19:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:NC(S) input
Hello, as you might have noticed I have brought up a new proposal for a guideline on school naming conventions. However, there has been very little input for it to go anywhere. I remember you were involved in the last proposal, so I would appreciate your input once again at WT:NC(S) if possible. Thanks. Camaron1 | Chris 11:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

January 2008
Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made: You may already know about them, but you might find Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. [Jam][talk] 11:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)