User talk:Michael Barera/archives/2014

Thanks
Thanks for the information.Luckysieben (talk) 01:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * You're welcome: I'm happy to help! Michael Barera (talk) 01:32, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

publisher > work?
{cite news | last = | first =  | title =  | publisher = | date =  | url = | accessdate = } No big issue, but Wikipedia offers a template for newspaper articles, which makes sense since newspapers are published. Why the preference for citing them as "works"? A book, article, poem, print, etc would be the work, whereas the entity producing it would be the publisher, wouldn't it? Also yy-mm-dd is a common international space saving form for accessdate that also visually distinguishes it from publication date. Djflem (talk) 22:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * First point: most of the sources you cited from were newspapers, so their publisher/work field should be in italics (see their respective Wikipedia articles for reference). I guess I could have done |publisher=Newspaper name instead of |work=Newspaper name to create the same effect, but I thought the latter was easier. Plus, the "publisher" field could be used to indicate the publishing company behind the newspaper at the same time that the name of the newspaper was put into "work" (for example, The Ann Arbor News and Advance Publications could be used together). Some of your sources, such as the NJT press releases, are from "publishers" and not "works", so as you can see I didn't change those.
 * Second point: yyyy-mm-dd is great for generating machine-readable, easily-sortable dates, but I believe it is fairly difficult to read for the human eye. If you want to use 15 January 2014 instead of January 15, 2014, go for it: I defaulted to the American date order because the article in question (County Yard) is an American topic, but 15 January 2014 is easily read by Americans. I think that 2014-01-15 is not nearly as user friendly, especially in the United States where it is rarely seen outside of technical and computing contexts. If you strongly disagree with this sentiment, then by all means change the dates back to yyyy-mm-dd, but I just think it is harder for humans to read these dates than something like 15 January 2014 or January 15, 2014, especially at first glance.
 * I hope this makes sense. If you disagree, feel free to revert my edits, although I honestly believe that I improved the article with my edits. No hard feelings, and thanks for creating this article. I love all of the wonderful railroad-related content on Wikipedia, which exists because of the hard work of wonderful people such as yourself. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Michael! Thanks for all the help Nhhuq (talk) 01:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! Michael Barera (talk) 01:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Helper
Thanks for all the help Michael!!!

Nhhuq (talk) 02:04, 7 February 2014 (UTC) 


 * You are most welcome! Thanks for the kitten! Michael Barera (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters
Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

Issues you might consider:
 * How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
 * Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
 * How many special characters would you like to see at one time?
 * Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
 * How should the sections be split up? Should they be nested? Ordered?
 * How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
 * The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters?  If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
 * Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
 * Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invitation to participate, Whatamidoing. I don't use the special characters feature in VisualEditor much, but if I do I'll be sure to send you my feedback. From the looks of it, though, it appears to be at least a little better organized than the older verison. Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 22:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello!
What's up!!

Ahjohns (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Not much, Ahjohns. Good luck on your edit-a-thon! Michael Barera (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox college field hockey team
Template:Infobox college field hockey team has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up, Andy. I've responded on the "templates for discussion" page. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 22:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks
Thanks for the thanks, and thank-you for your other contributions, including your involvement in Michigan Wikipedians. I'm trying to improve coverage of women's basketball in Wikipedia, so I thank you for the edits you have made to the team page. Hope you enjoy contributing.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I just realized you got a DYK for the article, very nice.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * You are most welcome, S Philbrick. I really appreciate your improvements to the article. Also, thanks so much for your kind words! Michael Barera (talk) 21:53, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Feedback/Consult
Hey Micheal: Since you have experience with working with Libraries in an internship model, would you mind taking a look at this new resource page: WP:TWL/I? We are trying to develop a resource that makes it really easy for libraries and academic interns to begin editing Wikipedia. Also, would you know any librarians interested in running such an internship as a pilot? Sadads (talk) 17:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Awesome, Sadads! I've read through WP:TWL/I and made a number of changes, mostly regarding grammar or other cosmetic details that don't impact the substance of the resource page. Overall, I really, really like it. I especially appreciate your discussion of conflict of interest, your list of WiR/GLAM case studies as resources, your discussion about how to contribute effectively to Wikimedia Commons, and your mention of useful tools for analytics. One more that I'll add that was very useful in my WiR internship at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library is GLAMorous. Due to URL shorteners being blacklisted on Wikipedia, I unfortunately have to give you the very long, Wiki markup-breaking URL raw (sorry):


 * http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/glamorous.php?doit=1&category=Media+contributed+by+the+Gerald+R.+Ford+Presidential+Library+and+Museum&use_globalusage=1&show_details=1&projects[wikipedia]=1&projects[wikimedia]=1&projects[wikisource]=1&projects[wikibooks]=1&projects[wikiquote]=1&projects[wiktionary]=1&projects[wikinews]=1&projects[wikivoyage]=1&projects[wikispecies]=1&projects[mediawiki]=1&projects[wikidata]=1&projects[wikiversity]=1


 * In terms of librarians who might be interested in running such a pilot, I'll give you three who might be (all of whom have Wikipedia accounts): User:ChemLibrarian (at the University of Michigan Library), User:Bdleaf (at the Ohio State University Library), and User:Bdcousineau (a volunteer at the Kent District Library in Kent County, Michigan and a museum curator at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan). Obviously, I can't speak for any of these people, but I would suggest contacting them. Also, feel free to follow up about any of this with me, and I'll do what I can to help. Take care, and good luck with WP:TWL! Michael Barera (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the contacts/thoughts, I will definitely follow up. Also, it would be great if you had any thoughts on the course page as well. Thats in a much earlier stage of development, but ideas generally appreciate! User:Sadads (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Happy birthday!!!

 * Thank you, Anastasia, and the rest of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee. I really appreciate it! Michael Barera (talk) 21:25, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

DO NOT any photos of L-League players in JAWP!!!
Hello Michaled from Japanese Wikipedia. I had to revert your edits in the articles of Japanese female footballers because L-League doesn't give Wikipedia any permissions of posting photos, and Japanese copyright act doesn't have fair use system (posting on Wikimedia Commons is OK).

From now, please ask someone in JAWP if you would like to post any pictures of footballers or coaches in JAWP. Thank you and best regards. --Ohtani tanya (My talk page in JAWP) 04:01, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. Also, my apologies for not speaking any Japanese. I'm a bit confused, though, because there is no fair use on Wikimedia Commons and none of the images I added to Japanese Wikipedia articles are fair use. They are fully freely licensed and, as far as I know, they are not compromised by personality rights because they are images of public people taken in public places. I will certainly stop posting photos of Japanese footballers to Japanese Wikipedia, but I would love to know exactly what the issue is that prevents Japanese Wikipedia from having what is completely legal on every other Wikipedia. Thanks, and take care. Michael Barera (talk) 18:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, based on what you said about Wikimedia Commons being OK, I've gone back and added links to the appropriate Commons categories for each of the Japanese Wikipedia images to which I had originally posted images. Hopefully this is alright. If not, just let me know and I'll revert my edits. Thanks again for the heads-up about the policy difference. Michael Barera (talk) 19:04, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Translation
Hi Michael, Let me know if can help with translation of programming key words into Esperanto and whether there may be a wiki related project to help with this. Some initial work here:

https://bitbucket.org/bkmbitbucket/naturalcandfortran

though wikipedia or something like it may be a useful additional platform. Benson Muite (talk) 16:16, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to help, Benson, but first of all I must admit that my Esperanto is not very good overall, let alone regarding technical terms such as those related to computer programming. Perhaps it might be helpful to look for Wikipedians who speak Esperanto at an advanced, near-native, or native level.


 * While I have started to work on this project in my sandbox, my work is very rough and should be reviewed by someone with an advanced understanding of Esperanto before doing anything remotely important with it.


 * Also, regarding any related projects that might be of use, all I know of are a few resources over at Esperanto Wikibooks. Hope this helps! Michael Barera (talk) 00:25, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day

 * Thanks, Anastasia! I really appreciate your thoughtfulness! Michael Barera (talk) 17:13, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Help for translate
Hello. Can you help me to translate 2 paragraphs about a football team from English to Esperanto? Xaris333 (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd certainly be happy to try, sed mia ne parolas tre bone Esperanton (I don't speak Esperanto very well). There are some English Wikipedians with much better Esperanto skills than myself (check out the users listed under the eo-3, eo-4, and eo-N proficiency levels). I'd certainly do the best I could for you, though. Michael Barera (talk) 03:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Seminole (train)
Thought you might be interested that I wrote up Seminole, with one of your father's images as the inspiration. Best, Mackensen (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Mackensen! This looks great! I made a minor change, adding what I believe to be a missing word, but please revert this if I'm incorrect. Also, are you planning to nominate this for DYK? Just wondering, because it really does look great. Thanks again! Michael Barera (talk) 02:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * And I've just now found the DYK nomination, thus answering my own question. Sometimes I'm just a day late and a dollar short, I guess. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 03:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads-up. I'll take care of that right away. Michael Barera (talk) 15:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Albert Center
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, HJ Mitchell! Michael Barera (talk) 15:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Track list numbering
There is currently a Rfc and discussion at Template talk:Track listing, about how the songs in a track listing should be numbered. The result could have repercussions for every article of albums originally released in vinyl. If you are interested, please join in the discussion there. Lewismaster (talk) 13:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up, Lewismaster. I've already voiced my opinion at the RfC, so at this point I'll just leave it up to the community and (hopefully) consensus. I really appreciate it! Michael Barera (talk) 15:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Iowa Hawkeyes field hockey
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:03, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Crisco 1492! Michael Barera (talk) 14:49, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rutgers Scarlet Knights field hockey
Hello! Your submission of Rutgers Scarlet Knights field hockey at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mackensen (talk) 01:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This has now been taken care of. Thanks for the heads-up, Mackensen! Michael Barera (talk) 03:00, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Indiana Hoosiers field hockey
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, HJ! Michael Barera (talk) 02:19, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  21:30, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rutgers Scarlet Knights field hockey
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Cas Liber! Michael Barera (talk) 04:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Maryland Terrapins field hockey
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Crisco 1492! Michael Barera (talk) 16:20, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Operation Hardnose review
Hello,

I do believe I have remedied your concern.

Georgejdorner (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes you have, Georgejdorner. Operation Hardnose looks good to go to me. Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 04:18, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kevon Looney
Hello! Your submission of Kevon Looney at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 17:26, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. I've responded on the DYK nomination page. Michael Barera (talk) 00:27, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your review of the Olympic Park Observation Tower DYK nom
Thanks for reviewing that DYK nomination, and making some minor copyedits ... I had finished that in two days, so it doesn't sorprise me that some stretch marks were visible (so to speak). Don't worry too much about not being able to read Chinese—I can't either (at least not very well), and thus everything in the article from those sources is based on running them through Google Translate.

Don't worry about the height thing either—it doesn't seem like any of the sources gave the same height for the tower, so I stuck with Thyssen for the total height as a) it's more impressive and b) it allows for all the lower heights. I think they're reliable for this; they put in the elevators, after all. Daniel Case (talk) 04:19, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to help, Daniel. Please feel free to modify (or revert) my minor copyedits as you see fit. I'll trust your judgment. Thanks for creating such an interesting article; I really did enjoy reading it as I was reviewing it. Hopefully, my review will be approved/promoted and your article will appear on the main page shortly! Michael Barera (talk) 05:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: Template:Did you know nominations/What Child Is This? DYK
Problem fixed. Please restore the green tick. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ Well, that was easy. The nomination is now up to DYK standard, as far as I can tell. My only potential concern is that much of that uncited content may indeed be true. Maybe we can restore (and this time cite) the "Recordings" content after the article passes through the DYK process? Michael Barera (talk) 21:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Michael. As I noted on the template, discography lists also don't need to be cited. The page creator should be encouraged to restore them. A bibliography with a listing of books and dates published also doesn't need citations.
 * BTW, although plot summaries can be citation-free, it's important to check the sources to make sure the text wasn't copied verbatim from the sources or from places like IMDb. Sometimes a plot summary goes on and on in such detail that I've asked the nominator to trim it down. Best, Yoninah (talk) 22:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, that makes sense, but are there only five cases where citations aren't needed? (The three listed in Rule D2 plus the two you list here, discography lists and bibliographies.) And why aren't these cases included in Rule D2? In my opinion, they should be, if they are indeed reasonable exceptions to the rule. Michael Barera (talk) 22:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, my head is spinning from answering you on 3 different pages! Let's confine the discussion to your talk page. I'm not about to suggest that we add more rules to the DYK rulebook; DYK is already perceived as much too rule-oriented. Suffice it to say that bibliographies and discographies don't need citations. If you look at The Beatles, by the way, that prose paragraph that follows the list of albums needs a cite if it wants to pass DYK. You should also be aware that charts should be cited. See Lo Nuestro Award for Pop New Artist of the Year for a good example by a regular DYK contributor. The charts in All-time Olympic Games medal table, on the other hand, are not cited at all, and I would ask the editor to add cites for DYK. Best, Yoninah (talk) 22:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Yoninah, I just feel that you are telling me one thing on one page and the exact opposite on another. I really don't know how I should be handling lists in future DYK reviews. By the way, my most substantive question has been posted to the What Child Is This? review, but for your convenience, I'll reproduce that post here:
 * OK, now I'm officially confused: I asked you on the Dahlander pole changing motor nomination page if "lists within articles [are] held to the same citation standards as prose sections", and you said yes, citing Rule D2. What is the substantive difference between a list of applications for a motor (where you corrected me and said that citations were necessary) and a list of recordings of a song (where you corrected my decision informed by your previous correction of my review on the Dahlander motor article and said that citations were not necessary)? I'm trying to review DYKs the best I can, but I'm really not sure how to treat lists and other elements that aren't prose. Thanks in advance for any clarification that you can offer. Michael Barera (talk) 22:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The list in Dahlander pole changing motor is obviously a prose list. Information is being imparted without any referencing at all. See how a prose list should be cited: Chaverim (volunteers) (I didn't find a source yet for the line about giving directions, but, whew, it wasn't nominated for DYK.) Basically, any list in the body of an article which is imparting information should be cited. In Israel College of the Bible, the first-time page creator probably should have written an opening line like "The following subjects are taught at the college" and put the cite right after that line, before the list, but the cite is there (at the end).
 * Perhaps it would be useful to think of the page as a lead, a body, and additional information. The additional information – Bibliography, Discography, External links – don't need cites. Does that work for you? Yoninah (talk) 22:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think it does, Yoninah. I'll keep your maxim about "any list in the body of an article which is imparting information should be cited" in mind, and I'll only allow additional information such as bibliographies or discographies to go without inline citations. Thanks for all your time and effort, and sorry for the confusion. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 23:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Trove (website)
Hi, I saw my name mentioned on the template and commented there. I'd just like to mention that while GA requires all sentences to have inline citations, DYK doesn't. Per Rule D2, we're happy with just one cite per paragraph. The idea is that DYKs are "start"-class articles, and could be improved to the higher standards of GA or FA with additional sourcing by other editors later. Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Understood. However, with lists of disparate information, everything should be cited, correct? Michael Barera (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct. Yoninah (talk) 20:45, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I really appreciate it. Sorry for my collective rules-based confusion. Hopefully, I understand the DYK review process well enough now to not have to pick your brain on a regular basis. Thanks again for all the time and effort you have put into mentoring me. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 21:57, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Mmmm. Thanks for the cookie! I'm happy to answer any other questions at any time. Best, Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ohio State Buckeyes field hockey
 Harrias  talk 00:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Harrias! Michael Barera (talk) 00:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Re Deletion of DYK for Trout and Salmonid Collection at MSU
Michael, I was just following the instructions posted on my talk by the DYK bot. Is there some advice at cross purposes here? --Mike Cline (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Mike, that looks fair to me.
 * Generally, I was a bit concerned about the deletion in terms of documentation of the article and DYK process (it is certainly not as thorough as a GA or FA nomination, but still future editors may want to know why the article didn't pass the DYK process).
 * More specifically to me, this was one of a number of nominations that I was keeping in my DYK review bank for future quid pro quo use on my own nominations. The deletion makes it impossible (I believe) to determine that I actually did review the article, so a reviewer would not be be able to verify my use of the nomination for QPQ. In the grand scheme of things, though, this is a minor matter, largely because I try to review multiple nominations for QPQ with each of my nominations, so the deletion of the Trout and Salmonid Collection nomination doesn't actually hurt my ability to nominate DYKs.
 * I don't mean to blow such a minor query out of proportion, although you may feel that is precisely what I have done. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thanks again for your work on the article, and take care! Michael Barera (talk) 15:34, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Penn State Nittany Lions field hockey at DYK
Hi Michael. I was just browsing through the DYK list when I came across your nom again. I'm looking for something else to work on and noticed that Charlene Morett is still a stub. If I were to expand her bio would you mind if I bundled it with your team nom? I'll happily provide a QPQ to save the hassle. Fuebaey (talk) 18:54, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't mind at all. In fact, I think that bundling the two nominations together would be a great idea. Please let me know if you need me to do anything regarding the revamped nomination; I'll be happy to help. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 18:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)