User talk:Michael D. Turnbull

Question from Ongitsmikey (20:43, 19 January 2024)
hi how do i make my own wikipedia page, ideally about me --Ongitsmikey (talk) 20:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Ongitsmikey and welcome to Wikipedia editing. All editors are allowed to create what are called User Pages, where you can tell people a little about yourself, your interests, and what you intend to contribute to the encyclopaedia. To do that, just click on the currently redlink to your name and type in what you want to say, following the full content guideline here. Note that what you type is not part of the main encyclopaedia and won't be found by search engines. The word "page" is used here to mean a webpage: Wikipedians use the more restricted word "article" to refer to the biographies and other content that readers are mainly interested in. Autobiographies are strongly discouraged, for reasons explained at this essay and this one. Please read those carefully before you attempt to draft any attempt at an article about yourself: you are unlikely to pass the threshold for what we call notability, and if you did it would be better for some volunteer other than yourself to create it based entirely on already-published sources meeting these criteria.
 * Note that you are currently trying to edit without understanding Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I have already reverted one of your edits. The stuff you removed was not "random" but an important aid to readers who may have reached the Gemba article when they were seeking something related but different that could be found elsewhere. In a moment, I'll add some general links that you may find helpful onto your Talk Page. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rainingflowers (01:01, 22 January 2024)
Is it possible to make a page? --Rainingflowers (talk) 01:01, 22 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Rainingflowers Well, of course it is possible if by "make a page" you mean "create an article in the encyclopaedia about something": the English Wikipedia already has of them! However, I would strongly advise against you jumping in to create a new article until you understand some of our policies and guidelines. It is more difficult than it may appear and newcomers who, for example, try to create an autobiography nearly always fail. In a moment. I'll place a few useful links on your Talk Page that will guide you to more advice. Let me know here in this thread if you then have further questions about any aspect of being an editor. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:11, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Khalid Al-Saud1 on Rashed Al-Khuzai (09:14, 23 January 2024)
How to add image already exist in Wikipedia --Khalid Al-Saud1 (talk) 09:14, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Khalid Al-Saud1 and welcome to Wikipedia. I see that you have already made some additions to the article Rashed Al-Khuzai and I assume that you want to add or change an image for one held on Wikimedia Commons, for example one held in Commons:Category:Rashed Al-Khuzai. The image in the infobox is changed just by replacing the image name where it currently says |image = Prince Rashed Al-Khuzai.jpg. For images in the text of the article, you need to wikilink the file name and put in various other parameters, as explained very fully at H:PICTURES. Most editors here find that making this sort of change is easiest using the source editor rather than the visual editor although the edit can be made in either. This page gives step-by-step instructions on using each editor. In a moment, I'll add some other useful links to your Talk Page, so you'll have them for future use. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:42, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the advice I really appreciate it Khalid Al-Saud1 (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from Exesknob (02:48, 30 January 2024)
Hey there, I have tried citing a source using but on the page it says I have made a reference with no content in it it when I have. Help. --Exesknob (talk) 02:48, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Exesknob It would have been helpful if you had told me which article you were editing when you saw the error message. As far as I can tell from your contributions, the problem was with this edit Note how you added  tags (which are intended to surround citation details) but you had included no content. Hence the red  error message. Many of your edits so far have been problematic and people have been reverting them and commenting on your Talk Page. I suggest you spend much more time reading about how Wikipedia works before you do any more editing to articles. And NEVER use ChatGPT to edit here! A couple of other things: 1) don't mark your edits as "minor" unless they are of the type described at WP:MINOR (i.e. correcting typos mainly) and 2) don't add science content to pages such as light water which are not articles but instead are pages intended to direct readers to the possible real articles which they might have been looking for. Such pages are called "disambiguation pages", which is Wikipedia jargon for pages that distinguish the possibly ambiguous alternative meanings a word or phrase could have. See WP:DAB for the details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from CarasikS (17:58, 30 January 2024)
Is there a way to create a page that is only for my personal use and lets me see the information I need for writing my articles? --CarasikS (talk) 17:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You can use User:CarasikS/sandbox. Please remember that everything on a wiki is interconnected and visible.  Chris Troutman  ( talk )  18:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @CarasikS Welcome to Wikipedia editing. As you can see from my userpage, it is perfectly acceptable to place useful links and information there that is useful for your work. The general advice is given at WP:UPYES. Note that this page should not be used for purposes unrelated to Wikipedia editing, or it will be removed by administrators. Whatever you save/publish anywhere on Wikipedia is available for others to see: there are no entirely confidential areas. Information about sandboxes is available at that link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Question from ITSTIMETOSAYGOODBYEMAN (04:13, 2 February 2024)
Is there an alternative to Wikipedia for sources of things (for instance, theres used to be no Green, Green page)? Would that be moral and not lazy? --ITSTIMETOSAYGOODBYEMAN (talk) 04:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @ITSTIMETOSAYGOODBYEMAN I'm not clear what you are asking. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia which summarises what other published sources say about topics. Hence the article green includes over a hundred citations. It is our task as editors here to accurately reflect what reliable sources say, so that readers can verify the information. Please read the pages I have linked, which explain further how things work. If you have further questions, you can post them here in this thread. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Informative, but theres a mistake: "Green, Green" is a 1960s american song popularized by Japanese artists in the 1990s-2010s, I was not talking about Green. I honestly didn't even know the colour had it's own page. ITSTIMETOSAYGOODBYEMAN (talk) 02:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @ITSTIMETOSAYGOODBYEMAN It turns out that there are several Wikipedia articles related to Green Green. If you click on that link you will be taken to the disambiguation page where they are listed. If you have suggestions for improvements to any of these (for example the song Green, Green), please make it on the relevant Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:22, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ..what? I wasn't talking about the disambiguation page, you talked about Green, not "Green, Green" ITSTIMETOSAYGOODBYEMAN (talk) 21:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm assuming
You're the one who keep weeding the imdb:s, even if I forget to pitch in. Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Yeah, keeps me off the streets! Links on my userpage if you want to do a few. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Great minds etc: User:Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång. I did a few earlier today. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from EagleSleuth (03:00, 7 February 2024)
Hello Michael,

I hope this message finds you well. As my assigned mentor, I'm reaching out to seek your guidance on a matter regarding one of my drafts on Wikipedia.

Recently, I created a draft for an article about an actor, which was subsequently declined. After reviewing the feedback and considering the best approach to address the issues, I decided to start afresh and created a new draft that better aligns with Wikipedia's guidelines and standards.

Given this context, I would like to request your assistance in deleting the original draft. The title of the draft is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Troy_Bronson_Actor. I believe removing this draft would help avoid confusion and ensure that the focus remains on the improved version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Troy_Bronson_2024

I understand that you mainly contribute to science-related topics, but I would greatly appreciate any help or direction you can provide on this matter, including guidance on using Wikimedia Commons for future contributions that may require image uploads.

Thank you very much for your time and support. I look forward to hearing from you and am eager to continue contributing to Wikipedia under your mentorship.

Best regards, EagleSleuth (talk) 03:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @EagleSleuth I think that the draft in question has already been deleted by an admin. If you need to do this again in future, there is a template that you can place at the top of a draft provided that you created it and are the only substantial contributor. See db-author for the details. If you have further questions, don't hesitate to post them here in this thread. Good luck with your editing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Bhadeswar (06:34, 13 February 2024)
Hello, I have just started editing an article which already has some references. How do I enter a book ref? --Bhadeswar (talk) 06:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Bhadeswar and welcome to Wikipedia editing. I don't see any record of other edits in your contribution history, so I don't know which article you want to work on. There is guidance on adding references on this linked page. For books, we use a template cite book. Click on that template link and you'll see the sorts of parameters (author names etc.) which can be included. In a moment, I'll add some other useful information to your Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Mike. Thanks fore your reply. I only discovered the article on my father in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Matin_Chaudhary yesterday, and started editing without joining. I now see the corrections on the side panel. I am also the publisher of a 196-pp biography of AMC written by Shibly, which ref I have now entered as ref 1. I have verified all the info in the article, and now want to add some more - all based on the book. Please help in regularizing my corrections already made. Also ref https://books.google.com.bd/books/about/Abdul_Matin_Chaudhury_1895_1948.html?id=ua3y6g7IHMAC&redir_esc=y Bhadeswar (talk) 14:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bhadeswar I can see that the article has a number of technical problems (cite errors etc.) that I'll try to clean up in a moment. Meanwhile you should carefully read this page about conflicts of interests. As the article is about your father, you may know information that is not published in a reliable source but Wikipedia does not allow that to be included. The relevant policy is here. You need to disclose your COI on your own userpage and on the Talk page of the article at Talk:Abdul Matin Chaudhary. There is a special template you can use to suggest new material for the article, using the edit request wizard. Some editors here object strongly to people with a COI editing articles, but provided you follow the rules all will be OK. You can ask for my help if you are in doubt about anything. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * {| class="wikitable"

! colspan="2" |Member of the 1st National Assembly of Pakistan 1947–1948
 * colspan="2" |In office
 * colspan="2" |In office
 * }
 * AMC was a Member of the Pakistan Constituent Assembly in 1947-1948. (National Assembly of Pakistan came into existence later in 1956)
 * Minister of Agriculture, Pakistan
 * In office
 * 1947–1948
 * Totally incorrect. He was NEVER a Minister in Pakistan.
 * Member of Central Legislative Assembly
 * In office
 * 1926–1934
 * The correct name is Indian Legislative Assembly Bhadeswar (talk) 09:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

@Bhadeswar I have redone the formatting of your post, which broke the wikicode owing to the way you entered the table. As you know, I fixed the technical errors on the Abdul Matin Chaudhary article yesterday but I have no access to the sources so no way to check what you say. Please use the edit request wizard on the Talk Page of the article to explain (and justify with reliable sources) the needed alterations. You can insist that material which is incorrect and not supported by inline citations be removed. I assume that is the case here. You might like to check the articles Constituent Assembly of Pakistan and Golapganj_Upazila, where AMC is stated to be the agriculture minister. I assume that all the confusion comes about because of people having similar names but I'm not in a position to help except to advise on Wikipedia policy and the technical aspects of editing. Note that there is a menu called "What links here" which can be used on AMC's article to find out which other articles wikilink to it and may need review. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Selectrick (22:28, 14 February 2024)
I will not attempt to edit here at Wikipedia for fear of my possible misinterpretation of the article or information in question. Alternatively, I will pose a question for others to look into and possibly edit if deemed necessary. Anyway, here is my question: About page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_who_have_won_the_most_NFL_championships#List_of_players_with_most_Super_Bowl_championships "List of players who have won the most NFL championships" I've noticed that Joe Montana is on the list with a blank space in the column 'seasons', and sub-column 'won'. Is this a mistake or am I misunderstanding the information? BTW, at a glance, I also see Rob Gronkowski with a blank beside his name as well. I haven't delved deep enough to notice others. Please advise, thank you very much! --Selectrick (talk) 22:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Selectrick (22:33, 14 February 2024)
Disregard my earlier query, I've noticed my idiotic error. Sorry! --Selectrick (talk) 22:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Selectrick No problem! In general, specific questions about article content should be asked on the Talk Page of the article, where editors interested in it will see your comment. Alternatively, the Teahouse is a good place to ask questions since experienced editors will respond very quickly. In a moment, I'll add some links to your Talk Page which may help you further. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Can I have list of recent contributions for my user page?
@Michael D. Turnbull Hello Michael D. Turnbull, I see your list of recent contributions is very interesting. Can I have one in my user page? This is for my recent contributions. Thank you! Hanoifun (talk) 14:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Hanoifun Like most things you see on people's userpages, you can copy them to your own userpage by taking a look at the source code and transferring it. Mine says, so in your case you will need to use  . Alter the limit= part if you want more or less output. I have noticed that the contribution list on my userpage is always one or two contributions behind my actual tally, for reasons I don't understand! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull Well, thank you so much! Hanoifun (talk) 15:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Do the Wikipedia have templates about this article is being developed
@Michael D. Turnbull Sorry to ask you again, I'm expanding some short articles (for example: Buôn Ma Thuột city and Tu Son city), add more information and sources. I would like to tell readers this article is being developed. But now, I'm very busy preparing from my exam in school, so I'm not sure I can done this early. So, do the Wikipedia have templates about this article is being developed? Thank you! Lam Nguyen, talk to me 13:51, 18 February 2024 (UTC) 13:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @Hanoifun There are templates inuse and Under construction (see links for details) which can be added to articles that are being actively worked on. However, other editors may object if you leave them in place for a long time: we have a policy that says articles are not owned by anyone and long-term use of these templates is a bit contrary to that. My advice is that Wikipedia has no deadlines and you should prioritise your studies over editing here! All our articles are somewhat works-in-progress and no-one will mind if you can't spare the time currently to add something you intend to add later. One possibility is to use the article's Talk Page to mention briefly what you intend to work on more fully later. Anyone with the article on their watchlist will be alerted by your Talk Page addition. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull Thank you very much! After reading about 2 templates and, I see if the template page has not been edited in several days, it will be removed. And because of my busy studying, I'm not sure about that I can done this in a short time. So I decided not to use this. Maybe in the future, when I have more free time, I am definitely going to use it. Lam Nguyen (talk) 14:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Swampycow (13:53, 22 February 2024)
Hello, I'm Swampycow and have been assigned your mentorship - thanks for taking the time out of your day to answer our questions!

I had a question about rewriting articles - I would like to do a rewrite of the article Loss function, but being a bit larger than my previous minor edits I was wondering if there was a way to save an edit without publishing it and come back to it later? Something like the Sandbox but that doesn't delete itself occasionally, and perhaps a way for it to go through review prior to publishing. Thanks! Swampycow (talk) 13:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Swampycow and welcome to Wikipedia! That article has been around a long time (since 2004) and has 194 page watchers, which means that lots of people are interested in it. Hence I don't think that you should attempt a massive rewrite except incrementally by making changes at the article itself. You could mention your intentions at the Talk Page Talk:Loss function so others know what you intend to do and can comment. You can create a personal sandbox at User:Swampycow/sandbox just by clicking on this (currently red) link. That's where you can, for example, develop sections of the material you want to add to the main article: most new editors find that it is getting the source references correct that is the tricky part, so please read the guide. By all means ask me futher questions here in this thread as you proceed. I get automatically alerted as soon as anyone posts here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jakelacaze (01:01, 26 February 2024)
How can I edit a page title and image for a company?

This is the page I'm asking for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laredo_Petroleum

I've made the other changes I could figure out. --Jakelacaze (talk) 01:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Jakelacaze and welcome to Wikipedia editing. As your account went straight to the edits to Laredo Petroleum, I assume that you work for them or are being paid by them for your contributions here. The Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia has very strict terms and conditions relating to paid editing. You must comply with the disclosure procedure described at the WP:PAID link. Provided you do so, there is then no problem with you suggesting edits to the article or to ask for it to be renamed to Vital Energy. To do that, you need to use the Talk Page of the article at Talk:Laredo Petroleum. We have special templates to draw attention to requests from individuals with a conflict of interest and there is a edit request wizard which sets up the correct template Edit COI in a fairly simple manner. There are groups of editors here who specialise in checking these requests and implementing them or explaining why they are not appropriate. Please make sure your request(s) include citations to reliable sources for the changes you suggest. If you run into any problems, by all means return to this thread and I'll give you further guidance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I worked for Laredo in the past but have not done so since 2017. This article was just an easy place for me to help out.
 * Thank you for the info! Jakelacaze (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, so you should just read the COI link and consider whether anything there strikes you as worth disclosing (which would be done on the Talk Pages of articles). The only other thing you need to be careful about is not to add anything you personally know but can't be backed up by citations. In a moment I'll add some useful links to your own Talk Page which should help you up the rather steep learning curve. I hope you find editing Wikipedia rewarding. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jakelacaze P.S. On the topic of images, see H:PICTURES. The photos or drawings would be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, probably using the Wizard at commons:Special:UploadWizard if they were photos you took yourself and hence can license appropriately. If you want to add a company logo, that's a bit more complicated as it depends on the copyright, which in turn depends on the composition of the logo. See WP:LOGO for the details. The safest thing to do is to proceed as if a WP:NONFREE image, or ask the experts at the Commons Help Desk located at c:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright to confirm that in their opinion the logo is below the threshold of originality, so OK for Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Copyvio help
I noticed this edit to Rap God because it was by one of the editors assigned to me in the mentorship scheme. It is almost certainly a WP:COPYVIO of the song's lyrics but, I assume, was a transcription of those lyrics rather than a direct copy from some text source. Hence I'm in doubt how to proceed. I assume that the lyrics need to be removed and RevDelled. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would think to treat transcription similarly to close paraphrasing of a copyrighted source, where it's clear that the work is someone else's. I have deleted the revisions in question under RD1. Complex / Rational  15:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Abdul Matin Chaudhury
@Michael D. Turnbull I would like to add: He attended the 1st Round Table Conference in London (November 1930 - Jamuary 1931) as Private Secretary to Sir Muhammad Akbar Hydari, who represented Hyderabad as its Finance Minister. ref: Khaliquzzaman, Chaudhury, Pathway to Pakistan. Lahore: Longman, 1961. p. 108, quoted by Shibly pp. 42-43. Bhadeswar (talk) 17:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Bhadeswar Please could you make this request on Talk:Abdul Matin Chaudhury, not here! I don't have access to the sources and know very little about the topic. You need to get the attention of editors who are interested in fulfilling WP:edit requests in politics/Pakistan and the best way to do that is to use the wizard which sets up the correct template. I was happy to help with the photos, since they don't need a separate source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Clison Bissem Sato (13:20, 12 March 2024)
How can I create my biography --Clison Bissem Sato (talk) 13:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Clison Bissem Sato and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that the short answer is that Wikipedia is not social media and does not host self-created biographies. (See WP:AUTO for some of the reasons why not). There are simply too many people in the world for everyone to have a biography here and by longstanding consensus, Wikipedia only has articles about notable people who have already been written about elsewhere. We rely on already-published reliable sources that are independent of the person being written about to create biographies. I doubt that any such sources exist for you: and they don't for me either. Please contribute to the encyclopaedia in some other way. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from TheLastUbykh (19:25, 26 March 2024)
Hi! Mann Mann keeps vandalizing my edits in Central Asia. I reported him to vandalizing to administrators. Should I do anything else and is there any other advice? --TheLastUbykh (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Answered at, though obviously that does not preclude you from responding as well (just thought you'd like to know). Primefac (talk) 19:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheLastUbykh Your issue has now been taken up elsewhere and I am neither a subject-matter expert nor an administrator, so I think it best I not get involved. As to advice, I would suggest you read about one core guideline described here and then reflect that it is best not to use the term "vandalism" except in the most obvious cases of editors who know their edits will damage the encyclopaedia, because to do otherwise can be seen as a personal attack, which helps no-one. Incidentally, the conventional way to alter your views on Talk Pages if you change your mind about something is to strike out the words you no longer want using tags, which turns "original comment" into " original comment " and allows you to put something else in place of the strike-out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It is the opposite of what we are taught to do in Academia. And Academia is also a collaborative project but I see what you mean by the cultural sphere of Wikipedia in regards to "vandalism" and "personal attacks." Thanks for your suggestion for striking out words.
 * It seems I am going to have to dive deep into primary sources and secondary sources if I want to defend my point further. It is a long debated and somewhat controversial subject and the main consensus in Academia has long changed. Wikipedia just seems behind. It does seem like a waste of time to indulge when there is no academic gain. TheLastUbykh (talk) 12:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheLastUbykh It's always been the case that Wikipedia lags academia, and deliberately so as an encyclopaedia which forbids original research. For similar reasons we prefer secondary to primary sources. Please don't give up: this is a place for volunteers not looking for academic (or any other) gain. You may find this essay interesting. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

How to remove misinformation
Hi, i'm new-ish and needed some guidance on this. All my previous questions to you stemmed from the debate where i removed a quote, which was falsely used to describe Javanese ships when in fact it described Chinese ships, i have provided multiple evidences, to which the other editors who keep reverting all my edits didn't seem to read or care, he continues to make irrelevant biased comments on his beliefs and provided 0 evidence for this quote or any of his statement.s

My question is why is it so hard to remove misinformation? i asked for third opinion, decline, i asked for dispute noticeboard, went nowhere as the editor didn't participate, and now i asked for RfC, no one seemed to care to comment. I'm afraid that this would definitely allow a lot more misinformation being represented in Wikipedia, considering it take this much effort to remove one quote. (also the editors who kept reverting can do so without warning or evidence) Merzostin (talk) 14:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Merzostin I think that in this case the problem is that the issue is not clear-cut. Wikipedia editors have to use reliable secondary sources to decide what historians now say about ancient primary ones. As in all disputes between editors here, it doesn't matter what we personally believe, only what we can back up with already-published sources. I see that you have been given good advice by Snow Rise on the Talk Page of the article. Please remain calm and allow at least a week to elapse to see what responses you get to your RfC. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Robert baron3888 (12:14, 21 April 2024)
"if you go into the profile of the person, let's say Tamal KG in Wikipedia, Wikipedia allow you to correct and write what you find most correct but then ultimately they are the ones who decide whether to accept the correction or not." --Robert baron3888 (talk) 12:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Regurgitated from this (unless it was the other way around). -- Hoary (talk) 02:23, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I wonder who "they" refers to, in the sentence quoted above. If it refers to the followers of the person, It's mistaken. Maproom (talk) 13:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robert I think that your question has already been answered at the Help Desk. If you have other issues you would like me to help you with, please continue to ask me here in this thread. Meanwhile you may find it useful to read about the fundamental way that Wikipedia works. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * yes thank you very much I have given the message to the sincere followers of srila prabhupada. Robert baron3888 (talk) 12:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes may i submit all the evidence or knowledge that i have so the proper corrections can be made? They are continually trying to make the corrections but are not being excepted. Robert baron3888 (talk) 15:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robert baron3888 I assume that you want to make some suggestions for changes to the article A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Is that correct? Your contribution history doesn't have any edits to articles, so I can't be sure that's what you mean. Wikipedia doesn't work by contributors "submit[ting] all the evidence or knowledge" they have. Articles are based on what is already published in reliable sources, not on what you or I happen to think we know. The reason for this is that there is a policy that readers must be able to verify that what an article here says is confirmed by the sourcing we quote. See WP:CITE for the details. If you are unsure how exactly to contribute to an article but want to discuss this with other Wikipedia editors, the correct place to do that is on the relevant Talk Page, which in this case would be Talk:A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. If you go to that link, you will see a lot of existing discussion which may cover what you are interested in and where you can make suggestions to try and reach consensus about how the article itself could be improved. Please carefully read the information at the top of that Talk page before you proceed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Alexhowroyd69 (08:55, 24 April 2024)
Thanks for your time. I’m a Melbourne based session musician and was wanting to put a page on Wikipedia. Whats the best way to do this? --Alexhowroyd69 (talk) 08:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Alexhowroyd69 If by "wanting to put a page on Wikipedia" you mean you are planning to write an autobiography, then I would strongly advise against trying, for the reasons mentioned at that link. New editors who come here to write about themselves frequently have a miserable time because of the steep learning curve. Wikipedia insists that new articles should be about topics that are wikinotable, which for musicians usually means that the person meets these criteria. You are allowed to create a draft article about yourself, if you insist, using the articles for creation process. Note that we have very strict requirements for biographies of living people and the one you will find most difficult is that there must be inline citations to all facts, which must have already been published in reliable sources. Notability is demonstrated via sources like these, which does not include interviews or press releases. In a moment, I'll add some general advice to your Talk Page, in the hope you will choose to contribute to other already-existing articles, where your interests and knowledge may be helpful to adding more content. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Abdulrasheed2006 (13:35, 26 April 2024)
Good afternoon sir, how do I add new article --Abdulrasheed2006 (talk) 13:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Abdulrasheed2006 In a moment, I'll add some links on your Talk Page which you should read to help you with contributing to Wikipedia. Beware that writing articles is more difficult than it may seem and you would be better to start by improving some existing articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Jayantakumar54 (09:41, 30 April 2024)
Hi Michael, I had a query regarding publishing of an article, I have written the article and submitted it for review but I don't know where can I look for the status of my article whether it is published or not. Please could you suggest me where to find the status of my article. Thank you. --Jayantakumar54 (talk) 09:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jayantakumar54 Sorry for not replying sooner: I have had no access to the internet for a few days. Progress of the review of drafts will be reported back on your talk page, as I see has now been done. It doesn't surprise me that the draft has not been accepted and might even be speedily deleted. You have been trying to write an autobiography and have failed to reach the required standard: see that link for reasons why such efforts nearly always fail. In particular, Wikipedia insists that all information in biographies of living people be backed up by inline citations to reliable published sources. You have provided no citations at all! How are our readers supposed to verify that what you say is true? To have any hope of having an article about you included in the encyclopaedia, you will have to demonstrate how you are notable for your contributions to music, as evidenced by published writings about you which meet these criteria. However, you may be better off by contributing to Wikipedia by expanding existing articles about topics in which you have an interest, as most editors here (myself included) don't merit a biography. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hashim iQuasar (14:37, 30 April 2024)
Hello Michael, I hope you are doing well. I am new to creating articles and have recently made one in the sandbox for a company I am working for. However, my article has been tagged for speedy deletion. I have also contested this decision. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --Hashim iQuasar (talk) 14:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello @Hashim iQuasar and apologies for the slow reply: I've been unable to access the internet for a few days. The first thing to say is that Wikipedia considers that you are a paid editor, so please read that linked page very carefully. Newcomers who try to create articles about their companies often have a frustrating time since Wikipedia does not allow promotion and must describe neutrally what third-parties without any connection to the company have written about it. I'll provide more advice later.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Michael D. Turnbull. Thank you for your response. I would be grateful for further insights and suggestions. Hashim iQuasar (talk) 08:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hashim iQuasar I have now looked at your draft and am not surprised that it was tagged for speedy deletion. For example, the "History" section conveys absolutely nothing to the reader: it needs to be recast with information written without corporate weasel-words. See WP:SOLUTION for why the present text is unacceptable. More generally, none of the references you have provided are independent of iQuasar. As far as I can tell, they are all based on interviews or information the company itself provided. The Inc. (magazine) source might have been useful if it had been an in-depth article but instead it seems just to be a simple listing of the sort of information iQuasar's own website would provide. I don't think that Bhat's contributions to LEF have anything to do with iQuasar, so they don't belong in an article about the company. Before you attempt to improve the draft, you must make the mandatory paid declaration as doing so is part of Wikipedia's terms and conditions. The paid editor link I have already provided describes how to do this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Michael D. Turnbull for your reply. I am fairly new to editing Wikipedia articles and have only made a few edits in areas I am familiar with. I want to create an article, establish the correct format and structure, and then submit it for main editing and content review. Essentially, I am just exploring Wikipedia at a basic level. Hashim iQuasar (talk) 12:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Noob from2 (19:32, 9 May 2024)
Hey there, I’m Noob from2, and I need to ask: what is it called if people vandalizes a Wikipedia article for hate, and how do I prevent it? --Noob from2 (talk) 19:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Noob from2 There is a very specific meaning to the word "vandalism" here on Wikipedia: see WP:Vandalism. Sometimes when editors disagree about the content that should be added to articles, they accuse each other of vandalism but instead should assume good faith in each other. As a newcomer, you are unlikely to be able to prevent occasional vandalism by the many others who edit here and my advice would be to let more experienced people deal with the problem. We have some editors who specialize in doing so. If you see obvious vandalism then just revert that edit. You can raise more serious cases (e.g. lots of vandalism in quick succession from some account) by contacting administrators. In a moment, I'll add some general links about how things work within Wikipedia to your Talk Page, which you should read when you have time. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Science scan (20:30, 9 May 2024)
HI - the wikipedia page Daphne Zohar contains outdated info. I tried to update the info and my changes got reverted (in seconds) by a bot. I'm not sure what I did wrong. Can you see if its possible to keep the changes while letting me know what specific edit caused the reversion by Leonid (the bot). Thank you! --Science scan (talk) 20:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Science scan It can be a bit of a shock when new editors find that contributions they are trying to make are reverted but that's part of how editors here reach consensus about what should be in articles. The person who reverted you is not a bot but an editor with over 10,000 edits here and they included a message in their WP:EDITSUMMARY explaining why they didn't like your change: they also commented on your Talk Page. You had added external links into the main text, which is simply not how we do things. Instead, we cite as footnotes the sources for the information we include. Biographies of living people have, by policy, very strict sourcing requirements and you should read all the linked guidance I have placed here. If you are not confident about how to update an article but have some suggestions (with reliable sources) then you can describe what you suggest on the Talk Page of the article, in this case Talk:Daphne Zohar. In a moment, I'll add some other general information to your Talk Page. Please don't be put off by this initial experience: Wikipedia sometimes has a steep learning curve! Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Sharif lugemwa (16:22, 16 May 2024)
Hello How do I add my biography on my Wikipedia page --Sharif lugemwa (talk) 16:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Sharif lugemwa Wikipedia strongly discourages people from writing autobiographies to become articles in the main encyclopaedia, for the reasons mentioned on the page I linked. On the other hand, you can briefly describe your intentions as a Wikipedia editor on your own userpage, which can be created by clicking on the currently red link to your name. See WP:UPYES for the sorts of thing that is acceptable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from SachiJay (04:51, 18 May 2024)
Hi I want to create new wiki page ! Please can you guide how to do it properly? --SachiJay (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @SachiJay. We tend to use the word "article" when referring to the main pages within the encyclopaedia and the word "page" then refers to Talk Pages and Help Pages and so on. I assume your ambition is to create a new article: which is more difficult than it may seem as there is a steep learning curve. In a moment I'll add a set of links to your own Talk Page which will include some of the fundamental things you need to read about before trying to write a new draft article (as a newcomer you must use the articles for creation process). Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Questions from Pygos
Greetings Michael D. Turnbull! I have recently been trying to turn chemical structures into svg., with a little bit of success. An example of my attempt is as follows: However, the above image doesn't show up on my screen, and I am not sure if you can see it. Another attempt includes using the site: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/edit/index.html However, upload attempts to wikimedia commons show error. Also, I have noticed that svg. files are rather rarely used when it comes to illustrating organic reaction schemes, most are in png.,so I'm not sure if it is better to use svg. Another question: do svg. files retain chemical connection information? Or is it lost just like in jpg. and png. files? Thank you for your patience in answering my questions! Pygos (talk) 14:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Pygos I think that what has happened here is that you have effectively put a .svg wrapper round an inherently .png file. Can you open the file in a simple text editor? You should be able to do so and if a genuine .svg would see details such as those described at the official website. Atoms will be there as text C,H,O etc and bonds will be described by things called "paths". In that sense the chemical connectivity is preserved but specialist chemical editing software can't read .svg files, so I always keep the native file from the application I'm using as a backup. I agree that most organic reaction schemes are .png but mine are not and neither are those from experienced editors here who try to conform to MOS:CSDG. In fact, I just today uploaded a file File:Isoxaflutole synthesis and reaction as propesticide.svg for an article I'm drafting, which is an .svg of only 17KB, despite having four molecule drawings and various text. Your ".svg" is 150KB for two molecules. Meanwhile, your best bet is to stick to .png and upload these to Commons: or we can work jointly on things by you emailing me a chemically-retained file (probably a .cdx as your software can export that) for me to convert to .svg. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, that should explain things. I turned the file to svg. in an app called ＂image format transformer＂, so it must indeed be the ＂wrapper＂ thing you are talking about. I would like to thank you for your helpfulness regarding this issue, and I'll take my time and try to find a way to solve it without having to send images to you for conversion. But just like how you＇ve suggested, perhaps I will still use png. files for recent updates. Pygos (talk) 01:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please double-check your previous uploads. It is against commons guideline to have an SVG that is just a wrapper around a PNG. DMacks (talk) 02:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes,there is indeed a mistake. If you can help me take it down, please do so. I tried to delete everything under the image but it seems that it refuses to let me do so. Thank you. Pygos (talk) 14:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pygos To have the file "speedily deleted", navigate to its file page on Commons and add the template  at the very top of the page. That lets admins there know that you, as author, have requested the file to be deleted. "Preview" before you save and you'll see how the template looks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of it! On commons, {{FakeSVG}} is the general tag for this sort of problem if you come across it. DMacks (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the instructions! I have labeled the image that was in an SVG wrapper. Pygos (talk) 00:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from ScienceOcean (20:36, 21 May 2024)
Hello, when editing STEM-based articles, what are common mistakes you look for? --ScienceOcean (talk) 20:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @ScienceOcean Wow, that's a difficult question! My work falls into several parts but is typically limited to chemistry, so not all of STEM. I don't focus on fixing "mistakes", although I'll correct obvious ones if I see them. Rather, I look for stuff that's missing and for my area of interest this tends to be information on the synthesis of drugs and agrochemicals. As a result, I have drawn dozens of reaction diagrams (see my Commons contributions) and added sections to many articles to add these, including some such as nirmatrelvir and tirzepatide which get lots of views. In terms of fixing actual mistakes, my "best" contribution was probably to Naftalan oil: take a look at the Talk Page of that article at the point I was called in by another editor to sort out what "reliable sources" had got wrong! You are a new editor, so my main advice when you contribute to STEM articles or draft new ones would be to focus on secondary sources, i.e. reviews. The primary literature on STEM is overwhelming and Wikipedia's role has to be to provide an accessible account that will stand for the long term, not to leap on the latest just-published paper that might or might not be consequential. If you haven't yet done so, please read WP:MEDRS and WP:EXPERT for more background. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @ScienceOcean I found this essay today, which gives an excellent introduction to contributing in maths or physics. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Michael!
 * This helps a lot! ScienceOcean (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from AbuHaneefahAli (18:21, 23 May 2024)
Hi, I have created an article about the History of the Bangladeshi Diaspora in Salisbury, UK from the first settlers in 1960's until 2000. How can I get it published, I can only see it in my sandbox for now --AbuHaneefahAli (talk) 18:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @AbuHaneefahAli Welcome to Wikipedia! I can certainly help you with the technical details of submitting your draft for review but before doing that I need to give you some news that may be unwelcome. Wikipedia only publishes articles on topics which are notable in the specific way we define that. In addition, readers must be able to verify that everything in the article is backed up by reliable already-published sources. Your ambition seems to be to describe the Bangladeshi Diaspora in Salisbury but, in practice, you have only mentioned a few families and based the information mainly on local newspaper references. These, in turn, relied on interviews with the people concerned, so in Wikipedia terms are not independent sources. Please read all the linked policy and guidance pages I've used and you should realise that your draft is not acceptable. I should also mention that I suspect you may be writing about people and events for which you have a conflict of interest, perhaps because they are your relatives or friends. Again, I urge you to read the guidance about that. By all means continue to ask me for advice here on my Talk Page once you taken in that information. Note that we already have an article about British Bangladeshis. By reading it you will see the level of detail that the encyclopaedia usually covers and the way we reference content. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The things you stumble on when you start writing about teddy bears
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * So that's the person now suspected of killing Kinser's son? I can see another draft "Murder of ..... " coming soon! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The person jailed for the murder for 40 years. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Have not had any more comments from Maggiehohle, perhaps she was disappointed with the article. Oh well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know what she expected, given the limitations of the sources. I was also disappointed she has not uploaded any photos either of her mother or of the toys, given that I mentioned on her talkpage she could do that as a useful further contribution. It will be interesting to have her reaction to the DYK.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, COM:TOYS, no problems there, just prove to VRT that she owns the copyright of the toys, assuming she does. To be fair, some people are not comfortable with the "giving it to the world" aspect of donating pictures, and she might have a commercial interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I hadn't realised that my teddy was copyrighted and hence could not be included in a photo with me! That doesn't explain the lack of a decent photo of Kinser, although the one you found is good as it shows her with her creations and the "fair use" extends to the toys shown. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think they can be considered "incidental" or something.
 * Off-topic, but File:Independence Monument (27506800337).jpg is an amusing example of bonkers copyright rules, see the licensing. From it follows that it's not ok to make croppings of the statues on en-WP, those are "art", not "architecture". Apparently South Africa has similar FOP-laws. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm very aware of the lack of FOP in South Africa. I collect Shona sculpture and wanted to upload some of my photos to Commons: you can find lots of permanent displays of the sculpture in places like Kirstenbosch National Botanical Garden. If SA had the same rules as the UK, such uploads would have been fine but, sadly, they don't.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That is sad. I don't suppose there's a helpful en-WP loop-hole? COM:SOMALIA is somewhat easier to deal with. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kasirson (05:40, 9 June 2024)
Hello sir, can you please guide me with your knowledge i am fast learner i have a question, how can i add new information about marketing most used and unknown for a lot of individuals? --Kasirson (talk) 05:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello @Kasirson and welcome to Wikipedia. This is not a marketing platform, unlike social media or websites for individual companies. Under the Terms and Conditions here, you must declare anyone who pays you to contribute to articles. Please read that linked page and also the one about promotion. If you have further questions after doing that, you can ask me here in this thread. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
You are a Good Wikipedian and for that i reward you a cute cat, enjoy sir!

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Question from Tecla Pharise on Hinge (app) (10:42, 19 June 2024)
Hello How do I edit? --Tecla Pharise (talk) 10:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Tecla Pharise and welcome to Wikipedia. You have just made your first edit here on my Talk Page and editing the Hinge article will be done in a similar way. We have two lots of editing software, so-called "source" and "visual". General guidance on editing is given at this linked page and more specific details about the "visual" editor which newcomers usually prefer are at this page.In a moment, I'll add a set of other links to your own Talk Page, so you'll have them handy as you find your way around. It is worth saying that whenever you add content to an article, you should cite the source from which you have paraphrased the information. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Mustafa fryad (21:33, 23 June 2024)
How to crate web --Mustafa fryad (talk) 21:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Mustafa fryad (21:37, 23 June 2024)
How to do a website --Mustafa fryad (talk) 21:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mustafa fryad I'm not sure from your questions what it is you wish to do. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia where people like you and me can contribute to its articles in English or in many other languages. It is not a type of social media and contributors are expected to restrict themselves to providing information relevant to building the content. That includes, if you wish, describing on your own userpage what your interests are and how you intend to contribute (see this page for more details). In a moment, I'll add some links to your Talk Page that should help you understand how things work here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Charleen Kinser
Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Good job! My new project is Draft:Earl Bailly, which I found on Commons helpdesk. I was a little surprised when the proposer/creator said "The Lunenburg Art Gallery Society are the stewards of the Earl Bailly collection and legacy and have been offered funding for an educational space, but the donors expect a wikipedia page to exist before funding can be granted.", but thought "Screw that, I'll do it anyway." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You seem to have good sources for that draft: I added a couple more on its Talk Page. It would be great if you could find a source for the Wiki-blackmail and name-and-shame the donors in the article! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please misunderstand me correctly! I put a cc-template at Draft talk:Earl Bailly, but there was no WP-blackmail, just newbie-ness. And unusual that a technically PAID new arrival suggests a subject that should OBVIOUSLY (imo) be on WP. I feel no particular need to name and shame potential donors to an art gallery in Nova Scotia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ... but the donors expect... sounds pretty close to me ;-) Let me know if you want me to nominate again at DYK when you are finished, assuming you don't fancy the QPQ. Meanwhile I'm deep into sorting this mess. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * TBH, I'm a little disappointed neither Maggiehohle or Artstoronto could be arsed to make an after-publishing response. Oh well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yup, there are a couple of essays about that, e.g. WP:DNER. Mystifies me, too. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Changing topic, I found another recurring "error" to pick at: If you autofill a source like Vogue, it will often fill the company name Condé Nast as author name, which looks quite plausible, but it's wrong, and the articles often has actual author names. See Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've never used autofill like that: my main go-to is the WP:Citation expander working from doi or isbn, which is usually excellent. I'm not sure who else might be interested in Wikignoming the Vogue one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I might get onto it. In other news, a dog I started a WP-article about met a king:. Second time I know that he (the dog) has been mentioned in The Times. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Seems I whined a little too early. Apparently some people don't look at WP-talkpages for weeks at a time. Very odd and possibly illegal. This is the norm in the global population, surely. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As DJT would say: ".... so sad". Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As Judith Newman said, "Wikipedia may be a haven for cranks and pedants, but it is also amazing." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I chanced across July 2024 global cyber outages this morning and it gives a much better account than my local news, with a global overview. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And on the other foot, . Like you said, it keeps us off thee streets. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw the discussion about that image, and considered it a clear "delete" based on policy. However, I didn't bother to comment as I am pretty sure that will be the outcome. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I was skimming it and was prepared to say delete, but at that point there was an article about the photo which had been kept. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And thanks for pointing me to that scary story, I haven't checked news in hours. Apparently my laptop doesn't have crowdstrike software, I checked my folders per the WP-article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Nimo wrytes (14:07, 9 July 2024)
Hello Michael,

i wanted to know how i will start with the writing of articles, would i have to write it on A word doc and upload it here or there is an option for me to do all my work here?

thank you for reading --Nimo wrytes (talk) 14:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Nimo wrytes and welcome to Wikipedia! There are two pieces of software that allow editing here. They are called the "source" editor and the "visual" editor. Both are explained in a tutorial you can find at the link Help:Introduction. Neither works quite like Microsoft Word but the visual editor is nearest to that and is usually what beginners choose. Long-standing contributors like me often to migrate to the source editor because it provides more control. Wikipedia editing in source has a "Preview" feature where you can see what the output will look like before you save it. My advice would be to start slowly by making small edits to existing articles (see WP:TASKS or your homepage tab for suggestions). In a moment I'll add a set of links to your Talk Page which you should read if you are serious about writing for the encyclopaedia. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * hello Mr. Michael
 * thank you for your advice and the tutorial links. and i apologies for the late reply. thank you again Nimo wrytes (talk) 13:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Nimo wrytes No apology necessary. As you will learn there is no deadline here. We are mostly volunteers, doing stuff as and when we can. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rfhu3u3 on Target Canada (21:34, 17 July 2024)
I can't post --Rfhu3u3 (talk) 21:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Rfhu3u3 You are currently indefinitely blocked. The only way to proceed now if you wish to continue contributing to en:Wikipedia is to use the process described at WP:APPEAL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)