User talk:MichelleSBernard

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Stalking
You appear to be following me. Keep up the * work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MichelleSBernard (talk • contribs) 18:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Stalking? Thats a little strong :). If an artilce/bio does not make mention of a person's religion or ethnicity, please do not add a corresponding category about such to the bio. Pretty simple it seems. Also, can you please sign your posts with four(4) tildes(~)? Thank you, --Tom 18:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. I plan on going through more throughly the Jewish Journalists today or tomorrow and adding a couple hundred or so to the category.  I will stick to only those whose religion is already mentioned in the article - as I think I did for all but David Shuster.  I understand this is probably a personal issue with you, and you perceive it as antisemitism but the category clearly asks for help in populating it, and I did NOT create the category or add the request for populating it.  So far you and other users have not brought the discussion to the category, you have instead reverted my tags.  Thanks   MichelleSBernard (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a heads up, if a person's religion or ethnicity is already mentioned in the article, then its not a big deal to me to add the appropriate category. Some editors do not agree and they can speak for themselves. This really isn't a personal issue with me since I truly try to leave my POV at the door and actually "err" if anything counter towards my own beliefs and background when editing here. I am a deletionist/minimalist/removal of unsourced materialist for the record. Anyways, I try to assume good faith until there is clear evidence to the contraire, which I haven't seen yet. The category talk page would actually be a good place to discuss this and let folks know your intentions. Anyways, --Tom 18:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You are adding a category that really isn't the correct one. If you know the person's nationality then it belongs there, not just "Jewish Journalist". This is not good. Another editor went around adding "jewish businessmen" to 100s of bios and ended up crashing and burning. Is there a point you are trying to make? Does this help. Again, before adding a category to tons of bios, I would gain concensus that it is helpful and proper so a lot of work is saved. --Tom 18:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The category already exists. I am simply adding the tag to people who are members of the category.  The point that I am trying to make is to do work to make wikipedia more complete.  During the recent Gaza War I came here looking for a list of Jewish Journalists.  I found that category, and the Category said that it needs work to be populated.  I did work to help populate it. Thats all. MichelleSBernard (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe this was discussed before, maybe I am wrong, that there was/is a category Jewish-American Journalists, which would be more specific. Anyways, this is a can of worms that I am sure others will know more about and will chime in shortly. I will probably have to bring this to one of the many boards that cover this type of editing pattern, Anyways, I will still assume good faith, but would suggest that we get others to imput in order to save alot of time in effort. If consensus is with you fine, but if not, then will see. --Tom 19:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No problems. I obviously disagree with your viewpoint.  Please inform me what boards you posts to and I will be glad to follow whatever consensus is reached there. MichelleSBernard (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Will do, --Tom 19:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:BLP
Please review WP:BLP very carefully. Do not insert into biographies of living people any material that is not extremely well sourced from highly reliable sources. Jayjg (talk) 03:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons. Jayjg (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Last chance, MichelleSBernard. Use the article's Talk page to propose changes, bringing the sources to see if they are reliable. Otherwise you will be blocked. Jayjg (talk) 03:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You've been blocked for 12 hours for this edit. Not only is the claim unsourced, but a talk-show host is not a "journalist", and Bauer in particular is apparently Christian. Jayjg (talk) 04:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Blocked
HAHAHAHAHAHA. If you deny that David Brooks is Jewish your living on a cloud, I posted an article from a news organization, I guess thats not good enough for some mango juice. I can see why people don't trust wikipedia, they are oblivious to the facts. I'll be back, and I'll take care of David Brook's article when I'm back up tomorrow.

According to Biographies_of_living_persons Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless two criteria are met
 * Ignoring rules
 * The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question;
 * The subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources.

If you violate the rules after fair and clear explanations, your edits will be reverted and you will be required provide relevance per above. Ignoring the rules will show more bad faith with each and every bad faith edit a separate violation. Comments like "I'll be back," are probably a leading indicator. Econewbie (talk) 07:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Your sockpuppet will be brought to attention of the admins tomorrow
 * No problem. A sockpuppet is permitted under limited circumstances - this is obviously one of those, and your comments so far have shown that to be a wise decision. I announced my purpose and any admin can request my main user name be emailed to them. Econewbie (talk) 08:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Harrassment of a particular user is not a reason to create a socket puppet, but hey we will see. Based on the admin's I have run into so far here, your Pro-Jewish philosphey will bias the discussion before it even gets started.

Additionial info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_journalists

That was the source for where I clicked on people to add to the category. I guess I shouldn't rely on the sources gathered by wikipedians because they are edited by people like Jayjr, and thus the constructive editors are forced out.

I had also taken my case to the discussion page of the people in question, David Brooks, Gloria Steinem, and Gideon Yago, to avoid 3RR and to let others interject. MichelleSBernard (talk) 04:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * After being warned a number of times about this, including being told explicitly that you would be blocked for adding unsourced material to biographies of living people, you made this edit. Not only is the claim unsourced, but a talk-show host is not a "journalist", and Bauer in particular is apparently Christian. Jayjg (talk) 05:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * NPOV, you meant to say that I was threatened multiple times about that. Sourced material was added that you reverted, see .  Once this block is lifted I plan on reporting this for dispute resolution and I will be attempting to have your blocking privileges revoked, that is not a threat, that is a promise.
 * I would also like to point out that I was relying on information YOU, Jayjr, approved of via this edit . So maybe you should consider blocking yourself, per your own definitions of what constitutes abuse.
 * This edit by Jayjr really shows how he is abusing his position as an admin to further advance his particular agenda. Removing facts and references in an effort to make Zionists look better. It is pretty shameful actually.

Disregarding rules for the proper use of categories
According to Biographies_of_living_persons :
 * Category tags regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless two criteria are met

It would appear that the 2nd requirement is not met on the majority of edits. I mentioned this on my talk page. Besides that glaring defect, the comments by MichelleSBernard in response, to everyone concerned, shows an extreme failure of NPOV: he has labeled those who challenge his edits as a probable "zionist" and automatically lacking neutrality.
 * The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or orientation in question;
 * The subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources.

He attacks those who question his edits as bad faith accusations with ulterior motives: "we should not point out who Jewish members of the media are." He has referred to the Gaza conflict as a justification or cause for many of his edits (note his vandalism to Sergey Brin) and unrelated vandalism to Chip Caray. He has also placed extremely hostile references on my talk page without cause and has refused to explain them.

Because of the nature of his edits and his prior willingness to engage in edit wars and vandalism, I created this alternate user name to deal with his edits. Econewbie (talk) 05:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Its called a sock puppet, and it is pretty shameful that a bunch of people with an obvious Zionist bent are ganging up on me like this. My edits were in good faith, if you disagree with the category tags situation you should bring it up on the discussion page instead of attacking me and reverting constructive edits.  I am saddened that Wikipedia is turning pro-Zionist through admins like Jay, but that is the case.  We have to deal with it in the MSM and youtube, why should Wikipedia continue.  And by the way, its SHE.

From the few, fairly recent edits you've made, such as Articles for deletion/James Kotecki, they seem pretty sophisticated for a new user. How do we know you're not using a sock puppet?
 * Because I created an account with Wikipedia for the express purpose of removing James Kotecki's entry. I am not a fan of the politico, so I learned what needed to be done to remove the article, created an account, and did it.  I didn't hide like you seem to be doing.  Is this payback from James' himself, I noticed in some wikipedia video Kotecki even ranted to a class about what I did, truly pathetic on his part. MichelleSBernard (talk) 06:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I replaced the question below as I assume you deleted it by accident in your "clean up." I replaced it awaiting a reply. Econewbie (talk) 06:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Kristallnacht? What was your point?
You added a cited reference to Kristallnacht on my talk page as part of your reply. I failed to see the reason for this added reference as our discussions had nothing to do with Nazi Germany or the Holocaust. Could you please explain? Econewbie (talk) 19:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You had said something along the lines of those in glass houses should not throw bricks, and that is known as the night of the broken glass. If you throw a brick at a glass house, you get ... broken glass.MichelleSBernard (talk) 06:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I also suspect that you are editing your own wikipedia page, but I can't really prove that. I don't feel like starting a sockpupet investigation at the moment as I don't know what your your puppetmaster's name is.MichelleSBernard (talk) 06:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You're obviously an experienced editor. Am I correct that this is not your first (or only) user name? Econewbie (talk) 06:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, its pretty obvious I'm not experienced. I edit in spurts and fits.  This is my first, and only account.  How many is this for you MichelleSBernard (talk) 06:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * One of your first edits was to open up an AfD, Articles for deletion/James Kotecki. Not bad for a beginner on their "first and only" account. Econewbie (talk) 06:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I created an account with Wikipedia for the express purpose of removing James Kotecki's entry. I am not a fan of the politico, so I learned what needed to be done to remove the article, created an account, and did it. I didn't hide like you seem to be doing. Is this payback from James' himself, I noticed in some wikipedia video Kotecki even ranted to a class about what I did, truly pathetic on his part.
 * You will even notice that I didn't properly fill out the request, as someone else had to come back and do it for me. There was general consensus on the deletion, no one spoke up in favor of Kotecki.  I feel even better about it now that he has left Politico he is not noteable at all. MichelleSBernard (talk) 06:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is the youtube video in which you rant against me deleting your wiki page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4MUFoyvYGM
 * I will repeat again, is this James or one of his henchmen out for vengeance, or are you one of the Yglesias trolls the infest us at HotAir?


 * No, just an unrelated user who noticed your edits and vandalism to a few articles I watch. I felt compelled to respond by creating a new user name so that I wouldn't have your kind of anticipated replies (i.e. Broken Glass BS) on my talk page. Nor do I edit on anything  political or religious - the reverts of yours were my first on those topics. (I'm afraid to ask what HotAir is) Econewbie (talk) 07:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hot Air is a well know political website.

WTF, a New Block
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With respect to your e-mail, I leave it up to ^demon, the administrator who most recently blocked you, to decide about what (if anything) should be done. However, a random sampling of your contributions, , does not suggest to me that our project would gain anything by unblocking you, and I counsel against it.  Sandstein  22:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I am forced to agree. If you think that what you did with David Brooks is the appropriate thing, you are very much mistaken.  As I pointed out, you edit warred over the inclusion of a very questionable source and then lashed out with accusations of bias when you "brought it to the talk page" after being threatened with blocking.  I just wanted to let you know we have the ability to block your access to the Wikipedia email feature, so don't abuse it.  Mango juice talk 07:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Further response. First, antiwar.com has some things it edits and some opinion it publishes: what you used was an opinion column.  Second, I have read that article three times and it doesn't even say Brooks is Jewish: the author even says explicitly that he doesn't know.  It's like you googled Brooks and Jewish and came up with that article, but didn't read it.  As for your unblocking, you have exhausted all of your appeals at this point and may not make any more.  If you appeal to me again in email I will block your email capability.  (You could email WP:ARBCOM or Jimbo as a last resort but I'd bet 1000:1 you'll be ignored.)  We do not need editors who are overzealous about ethnic or religious categorization and respond aggressively instead of appropriately when told they are being disruptive.  We, frankly, have more than enough as it is.  Mango juice talk 15:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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