User talk:Michellewest1

Your username
Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw that you edited or created Jagger Eaton, and I noticed that your username, "Michellewest1", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Trammel Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Mark at WidgetsUSA", "Jack Smith at the XY Foundation", and "WidgetFan87".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Moreover, I recommend that you read our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please create a new account or request a username change that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 00:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

January 2015
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Jagger Eaton.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 23:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hello admin. I really didn't want to take this to WP:ANI so thought this might be a good way to get some assistance for Michellewest1. Michelle has been editing Jagger Eaton (BLP) to suggest that Eaton's mother is Michelle West and to reduce the prominence of claims with regard to Eaton's father. The concern is that one is unsourced and the other is well-sourced. Several articles note that Eaton was trained by his father and no articles (that I can find) exist to even verify his mother's name, let alone her involvement in his skateboarding career. I can't even verify that Eaton's mother's name is "Michelle West". The edits have been reverted several times on that basis by me and another editor.

Logic would suggest User:Michellewest1 is "Michelle West" and is Eaton's mother and that the edits in question are justified (though conflicted) but unsourced. If User:Michellewest1 isn't Michelle West but Michelle West is Eaton's mother, we have a user-name violation. If none of the assertions are true, we have a bigger problem. Happy for suggestions from anyone who might wander past.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 00:19, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I encountered a similar issue at the Steve Kilbey page, involving a former partner, and fortunately, she eventually understood the nature of Wikipedia. As tempting as it might seem, Wikipedia is not a forum for people's personal matters: as we all know, it is an online encyclopedia. I am sure there are other online platforms where such activity is warranted, and people can always set up their own blog or website. It must be difficult when article subjects are personally relevant, but, again, this is an encyclopedic resource, not a family tree or a personal document at the sole behest of those individuals related to biographical subjects. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 04:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, she's just edited my talk page to break (though unintentionally) my archiving code and leave a message in the edit summary to claim she is Eaton's mother. At least that clarifies that. But we still need a reliable source (WP:RS) to verify (WP:V) that claim. Michelle, if you're reading this, please read those guidelines and please stop adding that same claim again and again and again without responding here.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 04:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * my former name is Michelle (Shelly) Eaton. I can provide any form of documents you would like. Yes Geoff Eaton is Jagger's father and I'm his mother. Please let me know how I can fix this situation. Thank you.
 * Ideally, you need to provide an official online source that verifies the claim. But, if you insist on changing the training part, then you need to also verify that the subject's father did not train him in skateboarding as a child. Also, you need to realize that the family information is not integral to the page, as it is primarily about Jagger Eaton. The father's name is only included because it can be verified and such information is consistent with other biographical articles—if the information about the father was not included, the page would still be eligible for Wikipedia. I can understand that, as his mother, you feel that you need to assert your place in his biography, but this is Wikipedia, not a court document or an authorized auto/biography. Anyway, Wikipedia just needs verifiable content from reputable sources—here is the Wikipedia article on the matter. Regards,--Soulparadox (talk) 05:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Michelle, there are several issues here.
 * 1) Why are you removing the information about the father? That information is substantially supported by a source. I say "substantially", because the source does not say exactly the same as the Wikipedia article, so editing the article to agree more precisely with the source might be justified, but wholesale removal of the content isn't, unless you can provide good reasons for distrusting the source.
 * 2) I expect you are who you say you are. However, we cannot be sure, as people do come to Wikipedia and lie about who they are. We do not accept content on the basis that someone creates a Wikipedia account and says "you can take this as a fact, because I say so". Unless you can provide reliable sources that can be verified by other Wikipedia readers, you should not insert the information into the article.
 * 3) It is a mistake to regard information about Jagger Eaton's father and mother as having equal status, because his father is more relevant, as having a direct connection to Jagger's skateboarding, while his mother has no such relevance to what Jagger is notable for, as far as I can see. That is not to say that his mother's name may not be included, but it does mean that the two parents do not have the same degree of relevance to the article.
 * 4) When editors disagree about the contents of an article, it is not helpful for each of them to just keep reverting the article back to their preferred version, in the hope that the other editors will give up, so that in the end the most stubborn editor gets his or her way. Repeatedly making the same (or substantially the same) edit, known as edit warring, is regarded as disruptive, and editors who keep on doing it can be blocked from editing, to prevent further disruption. Note that edit warring is unacceptable no matter whether the edits involved are right or wrong. You have explained your position, and I do have sympathy with you if you feel you are being unfairly excluded from an article about your son, but the way forward is to try to address the issues which have been explained to you, including the need for reliable sources. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)