User talk:Michig/Archive4

Request for watching article:Soy cheese due to vandalism
This article is constantly vandalized by one single user, who seems to plan its deletion or destruction (see also Talk:Soy cheese). I am watching over the article from now on, but it is better when more people interested in this subject (especially vegans, people with dairy digesting problems like lactose intolerance or Jews) are looking upon this more frequently. Thank you :-) Daimakaicho (talk) 09:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:
I've watchlisted everything I've de-tagged as a note to self to do further work, eventually. Periodically, some editors decided it is necessary to go through an entire list of things and tag every single one of them for not being perfect; I take it you've taken Category:Black metal bands as your subject. (Metal music, in general, is often the target of such house-cleanings.) I mean you no disrespect; much of what you're doing here is helpful. But it will take me probably all day to go through the listings, double-check on the notability/deletion tags, and at least make a quick, provisional improvement on each page. This takes a lot of time, and I'd already had plans for what I wanted to get done today (mostly regarding jazz music). Chubbles (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, have I added anything unreliable? Chubbles (talk) 19:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, trust me, I know my way around. I'm running AMG searches for pretty much everything; a lot of these bands have Rockdetector bios, too. Chubbles (talk) 19:27, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Walknut
If you look closely, I didn't create that page as anything more than a redirect to Valknut, and it says as much in the history "(redirect)", so your warning is misdirected. Nagelfar (talk) 00:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

This Charming Man
Thanks for the fixes....Ceoil (talk) 22:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for all the work on the article.--Michig (talk) 07:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Dreadmoon
Thanks for helping with the Dreadmoon page, I am (obviously) new and have some questions about the notability. The page meets number 5 on the credibility list, they have released 6 albums with Desastrious Records and the first with Werhammer. Also, I don't know if this could be used for creditability, but the singer did an article about Dreadmoon/his beliefs in Resistance Magazine. Thanks in advance for your help. Wickedabintra (talk) 012:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing Content
I noticed that you removed a quote from The Mandrake. How is a quote, if cited, a copy vio? Wouldn't that make any and all quotes a copy vio? Undeath (talk) 03:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Chaotic Dischord
I have nominated Chaotic Dischord, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Chaotic Dischord. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Guy (Help!) 20:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm sure it won't get deleted, since it passes WP:BAND on at least 3 counts.--Michig (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Stellent
An article that you have been involved in editing, Stellent, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Stellent (2nd nomination). Thank you. Bardcom (talk) 18:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Oops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADelfish&diff=cur&oldid=prev

Also, they've been blocked via UAA for promotional vio, but thanks for pointing that out.  Two One Six Five Five  τʃ 23:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for removing the deletion tag on Mary Hood's page. I left a message on that talk page. I am not the same person as Mary Hood. I'm assuming the status of this article is safe for now? Carsonmc (talk) 20:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Coolio
Thanks for your note. It appears that particular user likes to put that delete function on the top of many, many pages. I'll keep watch over Mary's page. Thanks, again.Carsonmc (talk) 21:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

R.E.M.
It's good to have another common-sense individual with an eye on their articles. There are too many superfans who aren't open to much discussion. Thanks for your input. - Dudesleeper / Talk  02:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Indie pop
Curious: about what percentage of the bands that appeared on the C86 tape did you end up having to create articles yourself? WesleyDodds (talk) 08:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Only 3 or 4 bands I think. Most of the bands went on to bigger and (sometimes) better things so already had articles.--Michig (talk) 08:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You could always put Primal Scream up at AfD, then recreate the article. Bet Bobby Gillespie woule love that. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Primal Scream article is fine, I think. I'm not sure why you think I'd want to replace it. I much prefer their pre-1988 material, but what's happened since then has happened. There are a few early radio sessions and singles tracks that would make probably the definitive 'twee' indie-pop album, if Gillespie would ever let it be released.--Michig (talk) 08:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, that was a just a joke, suggesting that you delete the article and recreate it so you get credit for "starting" it. Which is furthermore ridiculous since they are such a notable act and the AfD would get closed rather quickly with a Keep. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the list of articles I created on my user page, it's there for reference really. If any links turn red it will prompt me to find out why, and it has prompted other editors to request that I create or expand articles on similar/related topics, which I've been happy to do, so it has served a useful purpose. I may move it to a subpage at some point if people start suggesting that it's there just as a boast, perish the thought.--Michig (talk) 08:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I quite like the list, which is what I was sort of getting at in the first place. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have any requests for new articles, let me know. I'm concentrating on early 80s UK punk bands at the moment, an area where quite a few notable bands don't have articles here, and those that do tend to have poorly-sourced ones, but I have decent sources covering most alternative stuff from punk onwards. I know a lot of people here like to concentrate on vertical improvement of articles to GA/FA, but I prefer to increase the breadth of coverage in WP at the moment, hence the number of articles created.--Michig (talk) 09:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's funny, considering I'm trying to shift my personal focus from breadth and depth to improving key articles right now after realizing many key alt-rock album and song articles aren't as far along as they should be. We've been doing fine with crafting quality band articles, but those other areas need some work. The list of FA-quality album articles is quite interesting considering few of the FA album article have "marquee" status. If there's an album or song you think I should try and clean up let me know (aside from Murmur; I have enough sources to make that a pretty long FA, but I just don't like the album enough to spend months writing about it). WesleyDodds (talk) 09:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well... The Queen Is Dead has been on my TODO list for a while as it has no sources whatsoever beyond the reviews in the infobox. I think there should be plenty out there with which to improve it.--Michig (talk) 09:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm also not a fan of The Smiths (more accurately, I'm not a fan or Morrissey). Still, Ceoil has access to rocksbackpages.com, so if you ask him he might be able to find some contempoary reviews and interviews for you. Rollingstone.com and nytimes.com should have reviews available. On my end, I have the issue of Spin where they select the 100 best albums of 1985 to 2005; there's a sizable entry on the album at number five on the list. I also have a Mojo special about Manchester bands, which features two articles on The Smiths and separate interviews with all four band members. I recall in one of the articles Johnny Marr talks about writing much of the album during soundchecks. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, how about Songs About Fucking - one of the key alternative albums of the late 80s, and it has no sources other than an allmusic review at present. I've always remembered John Peel reading out a letter on his show from a listener, who, in the style of "our tune" (a horribly sentimental Radio 1 daytime slot where listeners would write in with tragic tales of loved ones dying of terrible diseases, etc., and request the song that said listener and tragic loved one held dear to their hearts), requested that Peel play "Columbian Necktie" for him and his girlfriend. And I'd love to see it on the front page of Wikipedia.--Michig (talk) 09:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Never thought of it that way. I'll dig through Our Band Could Be Your Life sometime this week for references. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Figured I might as well put your suggestion up for consideration. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Moonblood page
Hello. I read the notability issues of page of Wikipedia, and I dont agree with this label. By lookking at your profile, it seems that you dont listen black metal and therefore, you dont have a clue of the relevance of this band. If you google (moonblood "black metal"), you will find 37,400 references to this band... enough to give notability. For this reason, I reverted your changes. If you dont agree, please consult in the WikiProject Metal. You have to understand that metal is not a popular genre, that artists do not like to publish information about themselves, and if it the case then 70% of the articles of the metal project should be wiped off from Wikipedia.

Diego Torquemada (talk) 04:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct that I don't have a clue of the relevance of this band - there's nothing in the article to help anyone to understand their relevance, hence the notability tag. I think you misunderstand what constitutes notability. Counting google hits is not a valid demonstration of notability. If you could edit the article to indicate how this band meet our notability criteria, that would be helpful. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 06:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem specially with this band is that those guys do want to remain totally underground, so it is quite difficult to find some information about them. They do not give interviews, concerts, nothing!. However, they are quite popular in the metal world. It is difficult to find the original sources of those references. Much of the information is also included in Encyclopaedia Metallum which is a semi peer-reviewed metal encyclopedia, and which is usually the source of reference in the genre.
 * Diego Torquemada (talk) 09:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Charts
I notice that you have access to some chart books. Do you have a listing of chart placings for artists on the main UK singles chart? I'm working on an overhaul of the R.E.M discography page on a temp page, but my source only lists UK chart placings for singles through Reveal (2001). WesleyDodds (talk) 08:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can find, but it might have to be over the weekend.--Michig (talk) 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Workspace is here, by the way. Also, "Wendell Gee" apparently charted in the UK according to that page and the discography article, but my source doesn't list it as charting at all. I'm more inclined to believe my book, but I just want to make sure it wasn't an oversight on the source's part. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Apparently the official UK charts published a book called Complete UK Hit Singles that lists rankings up to 2006. There's also an albums version. I doubt I can find a copy anywhere near me. Let me know if you stumble upon one; it's better to rely on that than the hoarde of unoffical UK chart databases we have to deal with because the official Uk chart website is so horrendously lame. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Amazon have some copies of the 2005 version going, but I'd like to have a look through one before buying it - I'm not sure how much of the chart it includes (top 100 at least would be useful). My local library might have a copy. I suspect the UK chart website is as bad as it is to help sell these books, but I could just be being cynical.--Michig (talk) 09:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Gene Loves Jezebel
Here is a link to the article I mentioned. http://www.gljonline.com/yesterday/words/articles/goldmine010199.html --Ghost (talk) 13:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It's getting out of control over there. I don't know who the user is, but he/she is borderline manic in their responses. --Ghost (talk) 20:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Personal insults from GhostAston aside (but if you want to talk about manic responses -- check out the stuff from his own site that I posted on the GLJ talk page), I want to thank you for your rewrites of the GLJ article today. You, as a responsible Wikipedia editor have brought balance and the full picture to this article. Kudos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.220.43.195 (talk) 21:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are 2 more articles that contradict the Zero Mag article that's been quoted throughout. http://www.gljonline.com/yesterday/words/articles/rad06-97.html This is another article where Jay knew full well the details behind the '97 tour. It completely goes against the Zero Mag article. http://www.gljonline.com/yesterday/words/articles/rollingstone040599.html In this article, Jay says that Michael hasn't been involved with GLJ for 10 years, yet he acknowledges his presence in the band in the Zero Mag article. Another thing to note is that Jay mentions Michael not being involved with the band during Kiss of Life, yet in the Zero Mag article Michael's time spent recording the song Kiss of Life is discussed. I would imagine these indescrepancies call into question the validity of the Zero Mag article. --Ghost (talk) 13:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Michig -- are you feeling the way I am? I think there's a major problem with Friedfish. He/she attacked me on the Gene Loves Jezebel talk page merely for trying to help write a more thorough discography for Gene Loves Jezebel. Plus, as you pointed out, he/she removed mention of those two singles for no reason. I mean, WTF? Is there something we can do about it? (98.220.43.195 (talk) 18:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC))

Hi Michig, have you had a chance to look at the articles I posted above? I would really like to get this cleared up as soon as possible. What else do you need from me? Thanks! --Ghost (talk) 12:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Beaumont Leys
Anstey heights is exactly where it said it was, and the 74 does go through stocking farm, it goes right past the stocking farm social club! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickey bliss16 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on User talk:Mickey bliss16.--Michig (talk) 15:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah yeah, it is the 54, my mistake! but Bradgate heights is in the area between Beaumont Leys, Anstey and Glenfield which is what i put isnt it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickey bliss16 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The Queen Is Dead
We're currently collaborating on The Queen Is Dead (per your suggestion) if you want to help out. Finding reference material is surprisingly difficult; from a glance, there seems to be more source material for The Smiths than for this album. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)