User talk:Michig/Archive 17

inre Articles for deletion/The Red Sense
I'd like to convince you to withdraw your delete vote. After discussion with the nominator on his talk page, he himself found a quite in-depth english-language article in Asia Sentine and was willing to withdraw his nomination in light of the difficulties in sourcing a Cambodian topic.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've commented in the AfD discussion. If you can convince me that Asia Sentinel satisfies WP:RS, I would be happy to keep. It appears to be a website that accepts submissions from non-journalists, so I'm not totally convinced that it qualifies.--Michig (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)...and apparently we now have evidence that it does not.--Michig (talk) 22:17, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion help request
Hello there. I saw you posted a deletion notofication for the Remember a Day film - to which I added a comment. Could you also advise on The Orange Illusion for deletion? Issues with notability again (although I cleaned it up as much as possible). I believe this article really doean't warrant inclusion - a minor band of mid-60s. Londonclanger (talk) 21:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it should be deleted. The band had two plausibly-notable members, but there doesn't appear to be any significant independent coverage - not surprising for a band who only played schools and youth clubs and never released anything. It's also already adequately covered in the Read and Des Barres articles. The WP:COI issues also count against it. Fell free to take it to AfD and let me know if you do. Regards. --Michig (talk) 21:32, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm - the deletion process currently beats me to be honest. If you have a moment in the future could you assist (if I haven't managed to work it out)? Cheers Londonclanger (talk) 13:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I completed the nomination for you. As well as creating the discussion page, it also needed listing in the day's AfD log and tagging in the article.--Michig (talk) 22:31, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

This Londonclanger seems to follow all pages connected with Darryl Read, and hell bent on trying to delete everything, the Orange Illusion should be un deleted, as its historical in terms of the line-up. Who is LondonClanger to deny the public of information, and block on here genuine articles for an encyclopedia. He has in effect been bashing all pages I am contributing too for some time! Is it possible that Michig can contact me on these suggested and deleted pages, one of which has been up for years. CatWizard777 (talk) 17:17, 14 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.53.51.15 (talk) 16:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As has already been pointed out, this article was deleted as a result of a deletion discussion, and there are avenues that can be followed if you believe the deletion of the article was incorrect. Given that consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would suggest that you accept that and move on.--Michig (talk) 17:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Michig, the article was only discussed by you and LondonClanger, can you contact me CatWizard777 (talk) 17:17, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There were three editors involved in the discussion, all of whom felt the article should be deleted. Nobody who took part in the discussion thought that the article should be kept. A fourth editor, the closing administrator, decided that based on the discussion the article should be deleted. The main problem was that the article did not indicate that the subject met the notability guidelines, and in particular there was nothing to indicate that any reliable sources independent of the band had written about it. If you feel that such sources exist, you could present these to the deleting administrator and request that the article is undeleted so that the sources can be added.--Michig (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Triple Helix
Hi there. You recently deleted the page entitled "The Triple Helix". I am requesting undeletion provided the content presented in the article is overhauled and better adheres to Wikipedia's standards. Thanks. Jsparzen (talk) 09:08, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The main issue that caused it to be deleted was a lack of significant independent coverage. If you have such sources let me know and I'll restore it to userspace to allow you to work on it. --Michig (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok I will search for such coverage. Thanks. Jsparzen (talk) 18:03, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

reconsider
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2011_December_23#Gripen_vs_Rafale_vs_Typhoon

I see that you deleted this. Could you let me see this?

If the editor made it up, I say delete.

If there are many sources and articles that compare the two, this should be a keep. Spevw (talk) 22:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There was clear consensus to delete. The sourcing was largely unreliable and no reliable source was cited which included a comparison of the three planes. Some of the content had also been cut and pasted from other sources, in breach of copyright, so I cannot restore it for you to see.--Michig (talk) 07:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:Born to Die
Added more sources. Take a look. - Saulo  Talk to Me 17:08, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * New reliable source that clearly states her musical influences and indie pop added. - Saulo  Talk to Me 18:21, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sarandon (band)


The article Sarandon (band) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Not a single WP:RS provided. Don't think this meets WP:GNG, though they probably just about scrape WP:BAND.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 16:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Hi there - I'd be interested in your views on a merge proposal I've made - Talk:Crushed Butler Thanks Londonclanger (talk) 21:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Darryl Read
Hi Michig, how is the copyediting going on Darryl Read? I also, by the looks of it, will need a helping hand with Remember a Day (2000 film). Be very good if you can do both and get them into the right shape for Wiki as you have proposed - thanks again CatWizard777 (talk) 04:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Haven't had time yet. Sorry.--Michig (talk) 21:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

ok Michig, be great when you can - thanks CatWizard777 (talk) 07:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC) Seen the first pass on copyediting looks good, hope you can do all the rest on both pages, and get them how they should be - thanks Michig CatWizard777 (talk) 06:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Hows it going Michig? Any luck with furthering the spruce-up on Darryl Read? Be good to get rid of those templates, and get your expert touch on all. Thanks again, do you also by chance have an email address? CatWizard777 (talk)
 * Sorry, haven't done any more on it. Will take a look over the next week. --Michig (talk) 16:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Ian Brown
Could you help with this article. A new user has made up an account purely to claim Ian Brown grew up in Manchester, despite several references and it being common knowledge he grew up in Altrincham, which until 1974 was in Cheshire and is now technically in Greater Manchester (which still isn't Manchester) although most residents still consider it to be in Cheshire (An example - http://www.graysdental.co.uk/index.html even a Tesco that only opened recently is listed as being in Cheshire on their site http://www.tesco.com/storeLocator/default.asp?bID=2019). 92.5.56.238 (talk) 21:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye on it, but will shortly be going offline.--Michig (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Abdul Traya ?
I am a reporter doing another story on Abdul Traya, now I am surprised to learn you have deleted the entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.176.163 (talk) 21:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Murray Turnbull
Hi. I was too late to get my comments in on this. I think the following may possibly justify the discussion being relisted.

What do you think? Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 12:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1365442
 * http://articles.boston.com/2008-11-30/travel/29277813_1_red-brick-harvard-coop-streets
 * http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/access/663042821.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Oct+21%2C+1984&author=PAUL+HIRSHSON&pub=Boston+Globe+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=IT'S+HIS+MOVE%3A+CHESS+MASTER+MAKES+A+GAME+OF+HIS+WORK
 * Only one of those is really giving significant coverage to Turnbull ("It's his move"), and it was already listed as a reference in the the article before it was taken to AfD - "Hip in the square" is the briefest of mentions and the Tom Brady article isn't really about him, so I don't feel relisting would be justified given the strength of opinion in favour of deletion, or likely to change the outcome, but I'd be happy to restore the article to userspace if you wished to work on it. If you can improve the article before it's evaluated again it may have a better chance of being kept.--Michig (talk) 20:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply and the offer to userfy the article. I have no great interest in the subject, and no more sources to add. Therefore I doubt whether I'd be in a position to improve it in the near future, so please forget the userfictation. However, in the event that I do find some time to investigate further sources in the future, I'll possibly be back in touch. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 09:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Ambient Meditations
Hey Michig, I'm about to close this as a merge, because I think you hit the nail on the head. That other article, Return to the Source, is a clear keep as well. Question for you, do you mind doing the merging part? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:34, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to do it. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 07:24, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, thank you! You seemed to be more knowledgeable on this topic, and merging often involves editorial decisions. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review: Bunheads
Hello,

I'd like to request a deletion review for Bunheads. It was deleted because the series was not picked up at the time, but it has since been greenlit: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-201202081421reedbusivarietynvr1118049880feb08,0,418306.story — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirbywiggin (talk • contribs) 18:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Firstly, apologies for the delay in responding. The concerns in the AfD that led to its deletion were also that it would not be notable until it had aired and received significant coverage. It may therefore not be ready to go back to article space yet, but I would be happy to restore it to userspace for you if you wanted to work on it.--Michig (talk) 19:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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WikiProject Reggae
Greets Michig, what do you think of the proposal made here?--Chimino (talk) 22:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly neutral towards the idea to be honest. I worry whether the effort required in making the change would be justified.--Michig (talk) 07:18, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Fred Wilkinson (speedway rider)
Regarding the fourth test of 1931, both Alan Jones' book and Peter Foster's A History of the Speedway Ashes indicate that he didn't ride. Is there a compelling reason for ignoring two reliable sources in favour of a website that would not be considered a reliable source?--Michig (talk) 22:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Michig. I know there is a myriad of rules on here that people love to argue about forever but i'm just interested in getting it as accurate as possible. I don't really know how one source counts as more reliable than another to be honest. My thoughts were that because the speedway research website has so many specific details and pinpointed the exact ride that Wilkinson took, it would be far-fetched in the extreme to think this was invented, whereas it is much more conceivable that the books - although i cannot see the text - have possibly wrongly assumed that because he was a reserve and scored zero, he didn't get a ride? You can change it back if you like, i won't change it back, but i think it's correct for the reasons given above. cheers ...

Article for Clair Marlo
I am a big fan of music from my home country of the Philippines. I see there is no article for Clair Marlo, and when I went to begin article, it says a previous article was deleted. Clair Marlo is very famous in the Philippines. Her song "Til They Take My Heart Away" is loved by all, and sung again by many singers, like Kyla and Sharon Cuneta for example. I have been reading the Wikipedia laws of Wikipedia, I feel there are many reliable sources for good article on Clair Marlo. Manilavanilla (talk) 16:06, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

L Monroe
Hi - please semi protect or reject the request at the RFPP - thanks - You  really  can  17:08, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone has already protected it. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 17:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

No Cigar Magazine
Hi there, I saw that you deleted my article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Cigar_Magazine. Could you please reconsider? I feel that I had sufficient evidence supporting it by adding a news article from a local paper. I feel that this piece of evidence is reliable enough. I've read through the rules and also seen other articles around wikipedia with similar or less strong evidence so I hope that you understand my point of view. Thanks for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themiasmic (talk • contribs) 21:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Malcolm Shakespeare
Friend Michig, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding on this article. I did not mean to change the inherent meaning of the sentence, but when it is spoken aloud, it sounds weirdly to the ear. I am an English major and it irks me when something does not sound right. May I please revert it to the state I had it?

Your Comrade-in-Arms,

Juggalo1010 (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 'Former British' does not sound right.--Michig (talk) 05:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sally Barker
Hi Speedway fan. I am adding information that is correct regarding Steve Cockett. Can you tell me why you keep removing it?

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajparker (talk • contribs) 14:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, Speedway. I'm not sure what sort of evidence can be offered as proof of a relationship but I will try to find out and get back to you. I suppose photos of us together would provide evidence of an association, and suggestion of a relationship? I'd be grateful of any suggestions you can find time to wing my way. See you at the track!

Cyber Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajparker (talk • contribs) 10:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I doubt that these details would be appropriate for an encyclopedia article even if they could be sourced. --Michig (talk) 16:01, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Interesting point but looking at other Wikipedia pages it does look like 'Personal Life' is a legitimate heading to use and having a relationship of longer than a year with someone also seems to be a legitimate item to include under the heading of 'Personal Life'. This leads me to the conclusion that others deem this appropriate for an encyclopaedia article. Thank you for restoring the information about my deceased husband. As he is not alive your action was inappropriate and that concerns me. However, I'm not going to bang on about it cos I don't have time to keep revising your edits. The major contributor the article is not me; the majority of the article was written by someone else so I would kindly ask you to remove any reference to that. I would also ask you to revise your 'banner' about contentious information. Please read through the article and decide whether this banner is appropriate. Thank you Speedway and have a good day!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajparker (talk • contribs) 14:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, a few points to hopefully finish up here:
 * Firstly, this project takes biographies of living people very seriously, and any details about a person's personal life needs to be supported by reliable independent sources. This includes other people where a claim is made of a relationship, and particularly unsourced claims that a living person acted inappropriately, such as the one you recently added. Please note that adding unsourced claims such as this again is likely to result in you being blocked from editing.
 * Secondly, I did not restore any information about your husband - the diffs of my edits are here, here, and here, and each time only unsourced and duplicated information was removed - nothing was restored.
 * Third, the banner states that any contentious information will be removed, as is entirely appropriate in a biography of a living person. Some would interpret this as most of the article needing to be removed as it is not supported by reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 16:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for that.

Thanks
Thank you for your support at my RfA. I will do my best to live up to people's confidence in me. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, and I'm sure you will. --Michig (talk) 17:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Request page protection
Hi Michig.. im requesting semi-protection on the Rita Ora article as although shes British (moved to London the same year she was born) her ethnicity (Kosovo-Albanian.. and born in what was then Yugoslavia) clearly stirs up some political tension. Her page has only just come off full lock where no-one could edit. I don't think temporary semi-protection would suffice as this problem will almost certainly occur again, so im requesting permanent semi-protection. Thanks. JJ 65 (talk) 23:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello. The best place to make such requests is WP:RFPP. Most of the time I'm not on WP, so raising it on the RFPP page will allow someone to deal with it quickly. In this case it doesn't look like protection is required right now. --Michig (talk) 20:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you
Hello,

Thank you for your help correcting the mistakes I made, the edits were unintentional, and I was unaware of the wrong edits. I didn't know that the "sandbox" was a feature. Thank again.Ifyouweretosay (talk) 11:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you (Fischer-Z)
Thank you for adding "Pretty Paracetamol" to "First Impressions"! "First Impressions" meant nothing to me. -- UKoch (talk) 15:06, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Help With A Suspected Sockpupet
I think I may have found a new sock of BerylTurns50. User:FilmFan2011 seems to have a very strong interest in the same set of non-notable actors from the same set of non-notable films. I noticed this at Robbie Curran where within a few days after creation the subject of the article started editing it himself. FilmFan2011 seems to be a bit to diligent in removing the autobiography tag from the article and far far to interested in these non-notable films and actors. when I started sending things to AFD I noticed very similar editing paterns and that every notice was ending up on the page of a user blocked for being a sock. Wanted to see what you think since you know a bit more about this then I do. I already sent RobbieCurran and his sock to be investigated. I really think there is something strange about FilmFan2011. Ridernyc (talk) 01:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

After looking at the histories again I went ahead and started the investigation. All the accounts have the same exact very brief edit summaries so that pushed me over the edge. Ridernyc (talk) 02:38, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks a possibility - let's see what checkuser turns up. --Michig (talk) 06:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Wow this just took a total left turn and got way more interesting. Ridernyc (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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¡Forward, Russia!
I thank you; but, what does the tag really entail (mean)? With respect, and no offence, but does that actually mean that you might be reverting most or all of my re-writing edits? (I had a lot of problems with this, with over-zealous authors assuming sole ownership of articles.) ''I thank you. Yours'', — KC9TV 16:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It means that I will be making major edits to the article and that other editors should wait until I've finished to avoid edit conflicts. --Michig (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Really. --Michig (talk) 17:08, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The Viceroys
"As there's no film with this title listed on IMDB" See here. + http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vicer%C3%A8_(film) Mazarin07 (talk) 10:32, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I Vicerè would be the appropriate title for an article on that film. There's no indication that it was released anywhere under the title 'The Viceroys'. --Michig (talk) 10:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added both the novel and the film to Viceroy (disambiguation). The novel at least was translated as The Viceroys. There's no need for teo 'Viceroy' disambiguation pages. --Michig (talk) 10:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of 2011-12 season Eccellenza
Dear Michig,

I write about the hasty cancellation page 2011-12 season Eccellenza decided after a discussion that lasted only a week which was attended by only 4 users because it considered as an amateur league. On the contrary this is not a seasonal article on an amateur league, it is a competition between 28 divisional champions which puts it on a different level. Also were inserted only the winning teams that will participate in next year to Serie D, league fully encyclopedic: so it was just a preview of the upcoming Serie D.

Moreover, this cancellation is in stark contrast to the case of no cancellations of the seasons from 2005-06 to 2010-11 of Eccelelnza and decided after a lengthy discussion lasting less than 17 days from 31 March to 16 April 2012. Unfortunately, the first discussion there has been publicity and broad participation, otherwise the outcome would have been the same.

So it makes no sense not to include the current season and when there are others: or cancel all or none.

Sure you understand the situation and then put the deleted page, if you also want to reopen a broader discussion, I greet you cordially.--Mr Richy (talk) 06:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Each article is judged on its own merits. The discussion here reached a consensus that this particular article should be deleted. There was no consensus either way in the discussions on the other years, so there isn't a strong case for overturning the deletion in this case. --Michig (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Helping out with articles on record labels...
Hi there,

Thanks again for your reply to my question about notability of music record labels. I have a feeling I started a discussion that was more about my own confusion than anyone else's, and i apologise if that's the case... Anyways, the reason I started it was that I was frustrated that I wasn't able to give Madelgado45 some more constructive and specific advice about his/her article on Infinity Cat Recordings at Teahouse. They seemed to have worked pretty hard on it, and to have tried to address notability issues after a first knock-back. They may have given up, but if not - maybe you'd be able to give them some more specific advice?

All best, Loriski (talk) 00:12, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Greg James protection
While obviously some protection is required 2 weeks seems excessive for a radio joke. 24-48 hours seems like plenty. As its a radio joke there are no real BLP issues. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 10:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There hasn't been a good edit to the article in a month, and it has a history of protection/pending changes due to vandalism and BLP issues. BLP issues are BLP issues whether or not they arise from a 'radio joke'. --Michig (talk) 11:21, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't really see how he could possibly complain about another DJ at the same station encouraging people to make silly edits. That said if the problem is ongoing you may as well up the protection to indefinite. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 17:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)