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April 2023
Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Wi Spa controversy. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 21:37, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I’m quoting the same source that is quoted elsewhere. Just because it doesn’t put the registered sex offender in a favorable light does not mean it cannot be included. MickTravisBickle (talk) 21:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Camp Trans. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * Hello, Can you ask someone else to step in please? Dana Rivers is part of the history of Mitch fast Trans . That’s the most famous members. Please. MickTravisBickle (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, I am familiar with Wikipedia. They have no right to revert my edits. It’s one person against one. There is not a consensus of editors. I’m ready to talk when they are. MickTravisBickle (talk) 02:31, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Please review the page history. Not one but three separate editors—one of whom happens to be an administrator—have reverted your edits. —C.Fred (talk) 02:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Conveniently nobody has explained why. I would like to know why, because Dana Rivers was a very vocal member of camp. trans and she should be mentioned in the article. She murder to Mitchfest supporters. Can I create a separate article about those murders? MickTravisBickle (talk) 02:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's see. Undue weight, coatracking, failure to get a consensus on the talk page before adding, tendentious writing, an unclear connection to the subject of the article, and unsourced content… I see plenty of explanations in the edit summaries. —C.Fred (talk) 02:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the entire article is a mess. There’s very few citations is formatted inmproperly. I show up with citations and at least some kind of formatting but suddenly that’s not OK? I’m very flummoxed as to why. Are you saying that she’s not germane to the article despite being the most visible in famous person associated with the event. She killed two people that she met there in cold blood and their child. How is that not relevant? MickTravisBickle (talk) 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What I noticed was you citing press releases. I really think you should steer clear of BLP material until you have a better understanding of what kinds of sourcing and what kind of content we are looking for here. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand but then why are non-professional news sites are being cited on the article ? Like Tumblr? If that’s the case, then there’s enough information in eyewitness accounts of people on similar non-professional new sites that could make a huge section about Rivers and her association with Camp trans/Mitchfest and murderers of the Reeds and their child. MickTravisBickle (talk) 02:53, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not see any citations to Tumblr in the references of that article. The references to Scribd appear to be to the site where the copies of those years' programs from the event were kept—which is an allowed use of such a site. —C.Fred (talk) 02:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Tumblr isn't cited in the article. The Scribd citations are to archived copies of the programs for the relevant years of the event, though some of them are permanent dead links due to link rot and a lack of archived copies. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yet main stream acceptable source citations exist for Dana rivers, and Mitch fest and her huge platform in Camp Trans and the subsequent murders of two lesbians, who were involved with Mitch fest supporters. So I will include those. She will be included in the article as she should be. MickTravisBickle (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Talk:Dana Rivers. You cannot describe a living person in the terms that you did anywhere on Wikipedia. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, as you did at Camp Trans, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * What’s defamatory? Can you elaborate please. I’ve noted what you were saying. Don’t post about sourcing. I’ve also never been addressed like this on Wikipedia.
 * So I guess the consternation stems from the fact that you were telling me Dana Rivers was not a member of camp trans? She was listed as a member of camp trans on this page for years. Why did that suddenly change? Can you help me clarify please thanks.
 * Again. Dana Rivers never attended camp trans? MickTravisBickle (talk) 02:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Again up until yesterday Dana Rivers and the Mitchfest connection were on Rivers’ main article. For years. No one saw to remove it. Curiously since I attempted to edit this truth into The Camp Trans article that reference suddenly vanishes as “poorly sourced”? I’m going to agree (for now) that there’s no solid documentation that links the murders to Mitchfest (though every original source, and eye witness, including the surviving child who wasn’t murdered in cold blood has stated as such) I understand that with no documentation from “the guardian” or the “Washington post” that it can’t be connected in the main Rivers article or the camp trans article.
 * However, we know that Dana Rivers attended camp trans and that’s now blatantly attempting to be ERASED and that’s very serious. Please do not threaten my Wikipedia account. I have no violations. I’ve done a good job editing. You will need to bring in an outside editor with no history on either page please . Thank you. MickTravisBickle (talk) 02:44, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In you described Rivers in highly defamatory terms, and you cannot describe a person in that manner anywhere on Wikipedia. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:47, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * OK it’s noted.
 * This is a copy of a press release from camp trans. Releasing their own statement about “renowned activist Dana Rivers”
 * “ More than 60 gender activists from these groups plus members of Transexual Menace, supportive attendees, and renowned activist Dana
 * Rivers gathered across the road from the Festival this year to do outreach and education on what they viewed as a discriminatory policy
 * being unfairly applied.”
 * https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/971600053411381248/photo/1
 * http://eminism.org/michigan/20000812-camptrans.txt MickTravisBickle (talk) 03:47, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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April 2023
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 * Continuing to violate BLP to complain about your block is unacceptable. Feel free to use UTRS. Courcelles (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)