User talk:Mickcollier

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Help me!
Hello everyone.

I'm looking for help to add the name of my (non-profit, strictly amateur, no advertising) satire website, 'Unconfirmed Reports' to the wiki list of satire websites.

I don't want to become a wiki editor/contributor, I was just hoping somebody might be willing to help me to do this. I did try earlier to amend the list and it looked as if I'd succeeded but I didn't know how to make my entry link to the page I should also have set up, describing the site. Plus, the name of my site clashes with the name of a page that already exists for an episode of The Wire, therefore I'd also need to be able to set up a 'disambiguation' page, I presume.

Anyway, my amendment edit didn't go through and I was sent a couple of pages, one listing all the things wiki is not. The most relevant seemed to be, 'wiki is not a soap box or a means of promotion'. Don't understand why it's wrong to add the name of my site to a page listing satire websites, so maybe somebody can explain that to me?

Appreciate any help anyone can give me.

Best wishes,

Mickcollier (talk) 07:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Mickcollier (talk) 07:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Please see response to your enquiry at the help desk. To reiterate, the list referred to is only for sites that are notable in the Wikipedia sense and for which a Wiki page exists: they must have received significant in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources. As you have a conflict of interest it is strongly discouraged that you attempt to create an article about your own website. Wikipedia is not a form of social media where persons or organisations can set up 'profiles' about themselves as one might in Twitter or Facebook. Please do not ask the same question in multiple locations. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:13, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Help me!
Can somebody help me get this back to eagleleash pls?

Thanks for your reply.

I quite take your point about what you regard as ethical conflicts of interest but I'd also like to add that the page I was trying to amend ought to be labelled 'list of satire sites that we judge to have attracted enough attention/coverage to be included here'.

I'm not trying to be sarky, I'm just stating a fact. Like any ordinary person, I don't bother to read all the finer points the mission statements of every organization I deal with? I just read the articles. So it was news to me that you're organized along the lines you are and I'm sure the vast majority of those who use wiki would fall into the same category. I thought, right up until the moment I read your reply, that your list was a comprehensive one and I'm pretty take aback to find it's nothing like that.

As for raising the same question in several places, I couldn't figure out how to reply to you at the bottom of your talk page in the very short time I had to do it. Visually, the place is a terrible mess when you're trying to navigate it from 'the inside'. And I think I would rather hang myself than even try to become a 'wikipedian'.

But I really do appreciate your getting back to me, so quickly.

Very best wishes,

Mickcollier (talk) 22:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Mickcollier (talk) 22:48, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 * If you want to make sure that Eagleash sees your message, an easy method is to simultaneously add a link to their user page (for example by starting off with the code ) and signing it. Then they'll get a notification. I have included one such link in my reply to your message, so they're already notified that someone on this page mentioned them and will likely take a look. Huon (talk) 23:18, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd already seen it (watchlist). I thought I'd let someone else try to clarify it to Mick, as obviously both here and at the help desk (link to thread above) I'm not explaining it well enough! Eagleash (talk) 23:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Help me!
Again, this is for Eagleleash?

I understood your explanation, it was simple and clear and I thought my reply was, too.

I just wanted you to know that, like most people, I assumed that if wiki had a page named 'List of (anything, basically),' then that's exactly what it was, just a plain old list. Maybe not a fully comprehensive, right up to the very latest moment, accurate list (because you're a volunteer organisation) but a sincere attempt at, a plain old list?

It never occurred to me (and has taken the 3 people I've asked about this since, completely by surprise too), that your criteria for compiling a page labelled 'List of (anything),' could be so far from a straightforward, plain old list.

And Jesus, all these 'if you do this' and 'if you go here' tips, I know are meant as help but I have no desire to learn how this whole nerd-fest works and what all of it's little rules are etc etc. I was prepared to pay somebody to do it for me, if nobody was willing to do what I asked for free (when I thought a list was as straightforward a thing as it is in the real world).

I also get the conflict of interest thing too, just in case you imagine that's somehow difficult to follow? It shouldn't be me, in any case, who does the page because...it's my page. So it's all good as far as following your explanation goes?

Thanks again for your help.

Best of luck with your wikipedianing!

Mickcollier (talk) 05:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Mickcollier (talk) 05:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * As has been pointed out above, if you want to talk specifically to Eagleash, the template is more appropriate that the  template, which draws the attention of all editors who monitor the Help category. Eagleash is watching this talkpage anyway, but to highlight them as the desired recipient of your message, use , which gives you this: . Yunshui 雲 水  09:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)