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sort value on some Somali names.
I'm wondering what the sort value on a couple of names would be. I here from llywrch that you are Somali, so...
 * Ugaas Abdulrahman Muhumad Qani
 * Ugaz Abdulrahman Abd Ghani

With my limited western knowledge, for Ugaas Abdulrahman, I thought the sort value is Abd Ghani, Abdulrahman. I've also come up against some Yemeni sort values (newer articles of poets and writers). I had been using [this] as a guide, but any insight is greatly appreciated. Bgwhite (talk) 06:37, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I'm not sure what you mean by sort value; but if it's a reference to honorifics, the Wikipedia standard I believe is to name pages without them. For example, a Sheikh So-And-So would have his bio named without the "Sheikh" in the title of the article itself.


 * If by sort value you mean just honorific Somali titles in general, there are, as far as I know, two such basic divisions; these are between the actual rulers and lower-level clan chiefs (the latter of whom are in charge of duties such as mediating the Somali customary law, referred to as Xeer):


 * Here are the basic divisions of the rulers and chiefs, classed according to rank, with a note included as to what the titles signify, their derivation (where known), and which parts of the Horn region they're most commonly used in:


 * Rulers
 * Boqor -- Denoting King. This is the primus inter pares, the Somali equivalent to the Ethiopian Nəgusä nägäst ("King of Kings"). It was historically mainly used in the northeastern Puntland region.
 * Suldaan -- Sultan. Very common title for rulers in the pre-colonial and colonial period. Used everywhere. Famous Sultans include Mohamoud Ali Shire of the Warsangali Sultanate and Yusuf Ali Kenadid of the Sultanate of Hobyo. The title was also used by the leaders of the influential Ajuuraan State, along with other generic Muslim titles such as Imam, Emir and Na'ib.
 * Islaan -- Probably derived from "Islam". Used mainly in the northeastern Puntland region.
 * Garaad -- Often used interchangeably with "Suldaan" to denote a Sultan. Used throughout northeastern (Puntland) & northwestern (Somaliland) Somalia.
 * Ugas -- Generic term for "ruler". Used throughout northern Somalia and the Somali-inhabited Ogaden region in eastern Ethiopia.
 * Malaakh -- Used mainly by the Rahanweyn clan that forms one of the largest constituencies in southern Somalia, in addition to a few sympatric clans; signifies "war leader" . The Geledi clan, which has since been assimilated into the Rahanweyn, used the separate title "Suldaan" for the rulers of its Geledi Sultanate (Gobroon Dynasty) that controlled much of the south during the 18th and 19th centuries.


 * Chiefs
 * Caaqil -- From the Arabic for "wise man". A common title for male elders, who are the traditional clan chiefs. Used in the north, particularly in the Somaliland region.
 * Odey -- Literally "elder". The most common title for clan chiefs. Used everywhere


 * Hope this helps. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 20:55, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is what we mean by sort value. Both the persons are in Category:Ethiopian chiefs along with Gobana Dacche and Abba Seru Gwangul.  The sort value for Gobana Dacche is "Gobana Dacche" and the article appears under "G".  The sort value for Abba Seru Gwangul is "Seru Gwangul, Abba" and the article appears under "S".  What should the sort values be for Ugaas Abdulrahman Muhumad Qani and Ugaz Abdulrahman Abd Ghani so they will appear in their proper places in the category.  Is it clearer now?  Thank you for your help.  JimCubb (talk) 02:19, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Good to know :) Middayexpress (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)