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 * Hi, I wrote everything in my own words and was sure not to plagiarize. What parts did you feel were too close to the original source material? MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I also saw your notice on the Kalunga line edit history that said, "Attribution: text was copied from Bantu mythology. Please see the history of that page for full attribution." I also wrote the the passage on the Bantu mythology page. Neither were copied directed from the original source that I cited. I typed them in my own words. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * edit: directly MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Content I removed matches material found here. Search the document for the phrase "The Bakôngo person, or muntu, is a living-energy being and a physical being" to find the matching passage. Matching content proceeds down to the phrase "a living-dying-living being." — Diannaa (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I did use the phrases "living-energy being" and 'living-dying-living being," but I thought I had restated the rest of the text enough to avoid plagiarism. I will rewrite it and reword it more thoroughly. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 03:41, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you!! MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Do not abuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_FRINGE_is_not The Akan oral traditions is not fringe whatsoever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEciyrWMIfE The current Asantehene says that Egypt is in Afrika and that us Afrikan people are descendants of the immortal Pharaoh. Kanimankwesi (talk) 22:34, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Firstly, out of respect, let's be more conscious of our verb choices. I have never abused anyone on Wikipedia. Disagreement is not abuse.
 * Secondly, the fact that you linked a YouTube video as a source further proves that the belief is WP:FRINGE. You can certainly hold your own beliefs and share those beliefs in your day-to-day interactions without attestation. However, you must provide WP:RELIABLE SOURCES on Wikipedia. The WP:BURDEN is on you to prove it with reputable, published sources. Your argument currently falls under WP:NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH because there is no current reputable, published research that supports an origin theory of the Akan people in Ancient Egypt and can be WP:VERIFIED. For this reason, it cannot be cited as fact on the Akan people page.
 * Per the lengthy discussion we've already had on your talk page: If and when reliable, scholarly sources become available, we can definitely revisit this discussion at that point. Peace. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 23:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You're abusing WP:FRINGE
 * Politics and opinions may be on 'the fringe' of public perception, but the matter of our FRINGE guideline deals directly with what can be proven or demonstrated using the scientific method by academics, scholars, and scientists. Political opinions about recent history, future predictions, social opinion, and popular culture cannot be fringe because the basis of the opinion is not scientific or academic. There is a very fine line between what is opinion and what is academic fringe. The difference is whether academic scholarship or science on the subject supports a theory or idea via the scientific method. If research has not been conducted on the subject, differences of opinion cannot be labeled fringe.
 * WP:FRINGE is most often abused in political and social articles where better policies such as WP:NPOV or WP:UNDUE are appropriate. Citing WP:FRINGE in discussions and edit summaries is often done by POV pushers in an attempt to demonize viewpoints which contradict their own. Opponents to reliable sources will often argue that their opponents reliable sources are FRINGE because they spread false information or have a viewpoint which is not mainstream. Media on both sides of any issue can be shown through cherry picking to spread false information. The purpose of this project is not to determine truth, but to accurately cover the worldwide view with appropriate weight given to notable viewpoints. Kanimankwesi (talk) 23:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Per what you copied and pasted, "The difference is whether academic scholarship or science on the subject supports a theory or idea via the scientific method. If research has not been conducted on the subject, differences of opinion cannot be labeled fringe." Research has been conducted on the subject.
 * I cited articles that contain research on Akan origins on your talk page. As I stated there, "The current theories are that the Akan people possibly migrated from a Sudanic kingdom in the western Sudan region, which was hypothesized in "A Note on the Origins of Ghana" or that they migrated from the West African forest region, which seems to be the theory in "Toward a New Understanding of Akan Origins" and "Reading Hebrews through Akan ethnicity and social identity".
 * Per WP:FRINGE, your stance falls under fringe because you've cited no reliable, published source (PER WP:NOR), your theory "departs significantly from mainstream science and has little or no scientific support" (PER WP:IDENTIFYING FRINGE), and the one, disreputable source that you referenced doesn't cite any sources that theorize an Ancient Egyptian origin of the Akan people.
 * You also seem to be under the impression that the WP:FRINGE claim against your stance is the main issue, but it's not. The fact that you haven't provided WP:RELIABLE SOURCES is the issue I stated continuously on your talk page, and you've yet to acknowledge that fact. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. I will definitely look into the nominations as soon as I'm finished. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that.
 * given your experience on the topic, I wonder if you can create a template like Template:Ancient Egyptian religion footer to link articles about Ancient Sudan (a redirect, not an actual article). It will make navigating the topic easier and well-linked. FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It was no problem. Nubian, Bantu and Semi-Bantu cultures are of profound interest to me. They're also the focus of my studies in cultural anthropology.
 * And ironically, I was just thinking yesterday about creating a Nubian version of Template:Ancient Egyptian religion footer, along with a vertical template like Template:Ancient Egyptian religion. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey. I created a topic here to discuss the Ancient Sudan template. Please feel free to give suggestions if you have any. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 00:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject: Sudan
I've seen you doing a lot of work on ancient Sudanese articles recently and in the past. As such I would like to invite you to WikiProject Sudan. DervotNum4 (talk) 14:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invite. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kushite religion
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Question about the Tikar people
Was wondering if you could add this to the genetic category of the Tikar people. Here's a source stating that they share majority of their ancestry with the Mursi of Ethiopia

"The relationship of the Tikari and Herero with other populations is complex. They could be modeled as having 23% ancestry related to an archaic population that diverged prior to the divergence of all modern human populations (possibly reflecting introgression from an archaic population into modern populations) and 77% ancestry from a population related to the Nilo-Saharan-speaking Mursi. A similar pattern was observed in the ADMIXTURE analyses at K = 7 to 11 but with much lower inferred Nilo-Saharan-related ancestries in the Tikari and Herero (Figure S2). The TreeMix analyses showed evidence of gene flow between the Mursi and the ancestors of the Tikari and Herero starting at 5 migration events (Figure S3F). The results indicating archaic introgression in a population ancestral to the Bantu-speaking lineage are consistent with previous studies based on ancient African samples which suggested that the West African Niger-Congo-speaking populations carry lineages ancestral to all modern human lineages."

Source : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10568978/ 71.176.234.179 (talk) 22:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey, I can definitely read over the article and make the additions. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 21:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

April 2024
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 * Hi, I went to the Kongo religion page, and I don't see anything that was removed. MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 21:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It was alt text for an image, copied from the Website of the Metropolitan Mustum of Art. — Diannaa (talk) 00:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh! Gotcha. I'll be more conscious of that in the future. Thank you for bringing it to me attention! MiddleOfAfrica (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)