User talk:Midgley/rife

Blood electrification
87.122.90.45 22:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

AfD: Gerhard Buchwald
Hi, I've nominated the above article, that you have edited in the past, for deletion. The person described is not relevant in the medical field, but also not relevant in other regards. His protests against vaccination are not that prominent, even in Germany. Regards, --Biologos 11:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Royal Rife
Royal Rife Rife's Microscopes. Quartz versus glass. Glass is not suitable for use with UV and possibly other wavelengths / frequencies of light since glass tends to attenuate it to some measurable extent. The effect becomes worse with shallow angles (as in a prism) as well. I believe that the index of refraction of quartz is a bit higher than glass. This permits a higher magnification per lens than with glass.

According to videos / mp3 recordings of Rife that I have watched / heard, he even used quartz sample slides, and cover-quartz's. Some of the Beam Ray tubes were also made from quartz. Monochromatic, heterodyned UV was used because different wavelengths of light travel at different velocities. If white light were attempted, because of different velocities of light per wavelength, under higher magnifications, the lenses' magnification of the different wavelengths of light would produce a rainbow fringing effect since different colors of light would be bent / magnified more by the lenses. I can't recall if the red end of the spectrum would be bent the most or not.

I updated the article a while ago after listening to recordings of Rife's own voice describing some of the workings of his equipment. Rife mentions that the #3 microscope had 4 adjustable angle prisms, whereas the other 'virus' microscopes he built did not (probably only having 2).

Although I do not yet understand why, Rife did not want the rays of light running through the optics to ever cross paths to cause interference bands. That is why the S-shaped body section has this back and forth section of quartz prisms. The prisms supposedly reverse the path of heterodyned UV light just before it crossed with itself.

John Bedini has a web site with videos. The MP3 files of the Royal Rife topic radio show are interesting vis-a-vis the stories about Crane.

John Bedini stated that Rife may have sold or lost the adjustable prisms for the Rife #3 microscope before he even met John Francis Crane due to Rife's poor financial situation and Rife pawning a lot of his lab instruments. (Crane is claimed to have met Rife while Rife was pawning his drafting set. Crane bought the set from Rife.)  This is too bad since efforts to reproduce Rife's work hinge largely on getting viewable results on really small microbes that would be only viewable through his 'virus' microscopes. When Bedini, Crane, and others tried, they could not get the Rife #3 microscope to work at all when using substitute glass prisms (and possibly other substitute optics). The group supposedly spent 4 of 6 months of the project time trying to rebuild and make the Rife #3 work using make shift components to hold the adjustable substituted glass prisms. Oldspammer 09:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "different wavelengths of light travel at different velocities". The speed of light is regarded as a major constant in current physics.  As for heterodyning, I suspect that this is best explained by being a newish buzz word around then, and hence good for fraud.  Superheterodyne radio sets were new then, worked well, and would be vaguely understood by many people.  I do not think that either it works with light - absent lasers and extreme cleverness - or that it would be sueful for the stated purpose if it did.  Midgley 19:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * A minor note (sorry to butt in)&mdash;while the speed of light in vacuum is a constant, light's speed varies (and is always lower) when light travels through a medium. The index of refraction of most materials varies somewhat as a function of wavelength, meaning that different colours of light will refract to (slightly) different amounts at interfaces and will travel at (slightly) different speeds.  A great deal of effort goes into compensating for this chromatic aberration in modern optical instruments. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the long winded stuff below
I took too long to answer you, and the above guy got in before I could write, then cut / paste and save from my word processor. So here goes what I had lined up to send in...

The speed of light in "free space" is supposedly a constant. Maybe it is still dependant on the frequency? It is perhaps because of the different frequencies that "red shift" is seen in astronomy (more than it should be)? I don't know about free space...

As soon as you change mediums (from air to lens to air), you will get the effect that I describe. The principle in physics is known as refraction. (Check / text search the wiki article for speed or velocity or similar words.)

Free space is a vacuum--a uniform medium.

Correct me if I'm wrong... The effect that one gets in a prism results from refraction. The prism splits white visible light into a spectrum of various colors. The colors emerge from the prism because the light gets refracted / bent differently (due to its different frequencies / wavelengths ergo velocities traveled) at each change of medium: air+first face of prism, then second face of prism+air again. Sometimes I forget that some people are not aware of things that I take for granted--I have very poor judgement in presuming that people will understand the implications of what I consider simple facts that everyone should know.

The principle of the operation of lenses is based on refraction. Under really high magnification, the colors of visible white light reflected from the sample can diverge. Say that a small item under the scope was both red and purple. The two colors are at opposite ends of the visible white light spectrum. As such their frequencies and velocities would be "the most different" from one another that you could possibly get. The lenses would bend the red light much more than the purple light. You would probably get awful color fringing effects for this kind of observation. The object may even appear blurry?

The velocity of audible sound is another example of a form of energy wave that travels through different mediums. In air at sea-level, at a given barometric air pressure, temperature, (and no pollution or fog) a given frequency of audible sound travels at a fixed, constant velocity. If I am not mistaken, the same sound traveling through steel (as in a railway's tracks) travels much more quickly than it would in air. The railway track steel can be made to conduct sound frequency energy by whacking it with a hammer (for example).

The way that a radio broadcast antenna works is based on many factors. An electrical signal of adequate frequency might travel down a huge diameter coax cable (capable of large power handling capacity) into the antenna. When this electrically oscillating waveform enters the antenna it eventually hits the end of the antenna with no where else to go but into the air (or free-space) which is a different medium.

The job of an antenna design engineer is to optimize the efficiency, and the radiation pattern coming out of such an antenna. If the electrical frequency of the waveform does not "match" the antenna's characteristics (impedance) for radiation of that particular frequency of electromagnetic energy, the electrical waveform is always largely reflected back into the coax from whence it came. This reflected wave (usually an inverted version of the one initially sent) then travels back to the transmitter's circuitry and can blow up the final RF amplifier stage transistors of the transmitter. To prevent this destructive action, often the length (some nice fraction of the desired RF wavelength) of the antenna (and geometry) is changed. When the antenna radiation wavelength nicely matches the RF energy frequency, then little or no reflected energy happens.

Sometimes an inductor / variable capacitor network (named an antenna tuner) can make "relatively small" adjustments (impedance matching) to the characteristics of the antenna as seen from the transmitter circuit's point of view so that less reflected energy gets sent back to the transmitter's final amplifier stages.


 * An antenna tuner, however, would not boost the radiation strength or pattern produced from the antenna "as much" as properly changing the antenna geometry or length would do. The tuner would obviously prevent a lot of waveform cancellation of the newer energy arriving from the transmitter circuitry, but not enhance antenna radiation output efficiency. Oldspammer 20:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I know some of this because I lived through the 1970s when there was a big Citizen's Band Radio craze. To get better range and reception on your good old CB rig, you had to get a nice antenna, then get it tuned as best you could for doing transmissions.

And I have only looked into / studied Ham radio only a little bit.

In a computer. Some higher-end computer systems use a fast disk drive type known as SCSI. SCSI has a group of parallel wires known as the SCSI bus. The signals traveling down this bus are much like a transmitter sending radio frequency oscillations down a coax since SCSI bus line signals are high frequency / high speed data. They are carried in wire (conductor) signal pairs. These pairs are either differential signals or a signal plus ground line (Single-Ended) pair. The wires of such pairs are kept close together so that external radio frequency interference noise energy will equally effect both wire pair signals lines "identically" so as to achieve noise signal cancellation. The wires in these pairs are typically twisted at a certain rate of twists per foot or meter. Each newer version of SCSI is faster than the previous generation. When these RF engineers design these wire bus cables, they put more twists per foot or meter into them when they are designing the higher performance systems. As well, the drive voltage for the buses has gone way down. Initially it was based off of +5 Volts DC supply, but now it is probably down to less than one volt and is probably using the more robust differential pair signaling method that is more immune to interference signal noise.

The end of the SCSI bus chain MUST be terminated with an impedance matching resistor network (passive) or active terminator or else the waveforms traveling down the signal lines will reflect back (inverted) and burn out and destroy the SCSI bus transceiver circuits that both drive and listen to the data and timing signal lines.

I am not sure that the parallel IDE / PATA disk drive bus is automatically terminated somehow. If the only disk drive attached is the slave somewhere in the middle of the cable's length, then I don't know exactly what happens since the high frequency energy will hit the ends of the wire bus lines and reflect back inverted otherwise. Perhaps in this situation degraded performance might result? The distance between master and slave connectors could play a crucial roll in the bus impedance termination?

Many practical uses have come from waveform propagation into different types of mediums.

The oil or glycerin immersion of lenses in Rife's microscopes might be helpful in some way--but I do not know why yet.

Rife's use of monochromatic heterodyned light prevented this refraction fringing of colors that would make such a small, highly magnified sample item be as blurry as it might have been with more colors from the spectrum of light being used. Using UV het improved the usable resolution and magnifying strength capability that could be elicited from the thing.

The light rays crossing that Rife wanted to prevent happening could mean that he did not want the phase of the light waves to invert? If a wave gets inverted and then meets itself again, there can be a waveform cancellation effect that would make the light somewhat more dim than had it not? I do not know if he wanted to prevent this waveform cancellation or not--I would think so, even just to prevent strange interference patterns from showing up in the resulting image seen?

I just checked my old physics text books from high school, and they have mistakes in the explanation of the operation of a prism. The authors at that stage probably did not want to confuse the students about changing velocities of light and omitted mention of it. I hate it when this happens. Whole groups of people who have grown up now will now be under the false impression of how refraction works and other similar things. They might use their simplified version of how physics works to vote to delete articles on wiki that do not coincide with their wrong point of view.

I am not highly educated. I could be wrong. I'm getting old. My memory fails me sometimes. I am predisposed in my train of though to poor judgement. I apologize if I have offended your genteel sensibilities with anything that I have said. Oldspammer 22:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Rife Microscope additional thoughts
With the above discussion about antennas and reflected waves and such, I thought that maybe Rife used his quartz prisms in the body of the microscope to also tune the length of the light traveling to the eye piece section and whatnot.

In physics and radio electronics engineering there are things named resonator cavities. Within these cavities, tuning, filtering, and gain can happen. RF energy bounces back and forth between the end points of the resonator cavity. What if Rife used the microscope's body full of prisms to alter the spacing between prisms so that the body of the microscope reflected / bounced /resonated light back and forth until it gained sufficient strength / brightness so that the specimen could better be viewed?

A laser. Lasers are sometimes built with gas as the lasing element. The cavity filled with gas has a "full mirror" at one end and a "partial mirror" at the other. When the lasing gas has bounced the light back and forth enough times and gained sufficient energy by exchanging photon energy with that of exciting gas molecules energy levels, and back into photons, the light eventually escapes the cavity at the "partially mirrored"-end, thereby shooting out the high powered laser beam. This can be seen in a carbon dioxide laser that can vaporize through diamond instantaneously. I do not know myself if the cavity length must be precisely tuned or not. I never went too far in school to study these things in a physics lab with any such fancy equipment as carbon dioxide lasers or microwave transmitters or photonics equipment. Maybe if the cavity length is close enough, it is OK. Light is, after all, a short wavelength form of electromagnetic energy (nanometers, angstroms and such), so being off just a little would be OK? Oldspammer 23:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * In most of these resonator gain situations, an external energy source is used to further supply energy to the system: a pulsed pumping circuit, possibly at a lower harmonic frequency (that is in "sympathy" with most of the existing energy in the cavity) is used to charge up the oscillating resonator cavity energy level(s).  I have not looked up in wiki any of this resonator cavity stuff to tell if it is so documented.  I could be wrong again!  Oldspammer 20:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, I just checked and resonator has a wiki article! And note that engineers and physicists are not complaining that the article has few if any reliable sources in it.  Why is this "reliable sources" argument started so routinely and so much concerning other things?  The physicists / engineers must be reasoning that if the statements are entirely explained / reasoned ("original thought"--explained in few words) and plausible, then why waist everyone's valuable time (and considerable text input contribution) quibbling like lawyers over minute things like "that source is considered unreliable by faction XYZ who are the only ones considered authoritative on these matters"--when really all popular POVs should be explored?  This turf argument seems unreasoned and a "political point of view" issue to me?  Some professional communities seem to have orchestrated or taken advantage of the forum of wiki for only their POV. Oldspammer 21:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Rife Staining With Light Color
Rife did not know about heterodyning per se. He knew little of electronics, so he would not know about heterodyning.


 * I don't think that is the case. Midgley 09:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Something I read indicated that Rife with some later partners like John Fancis Crane, and some other guy could not figure out how to build an RF frequency generator on their own--even by examining the Philip Hoyland-made portable RF frequency generator equipment.

This indicates to me that his 1935 radio frequency engineer / technician Philip Hoyland who made Rife's Ray Beam tubes and frequency equipment had changed Rife's direct RF frequency generation with that of heterodyning with Rife being "none the wiser." ;^) The Hoyland equipment mixed a fixed frequency oscillator with that of audio frequency tones that, then, resulted in a heterodyned set of harmonics.  Some of these harmonics were close to those specified by Rife that were needed to 'devitalize' the pathogen in question.  If there were some filters, with amplification, the signal produced would have been a little bit more pure, but would still have a percentage error from the actual specified Rife frequencies.

Rife was a "tinkerer" trying to see small things.

It is possible that this terminology of "staining" with light actually is the heterodyning of two (or more) light sources.

Rife merely selected via prisms what he considered a light color with which to "stain" his sample, and nothing more.

By tinkering he probably discovered that he needed to use pairs of prisms. One for selecting the "light stain," and another so that he could "tune in" to even see anything at all.

His first "virus" microscopes started off with only 2 Risley prisms. His #3 Universal had 4 angular Risley prisms.

One set of prisms were set at a positive angle, and the other set at exactly the opposite (negative) angle. (I've confirmed this--every mention of the Risley prism tuning states this).

Rife did not realize that he was up-shifting and down-shifting the light by tuning the prisms in this way--I cannot be certain that this up/down shifting is true either though. Gary Wade, PhD, on his papers _NEVER_ mentions that heterodyning is involved at all, but does mention Risley prisms in connection with color light tuning.

By using 2 sets of 2 prisms, he could up-shift and down-shift the light "color staining" just an additional amount more than had he only used 1 set? (This is speculation on my uneducated part--with no support from Wade using these kinds of words).

The trouble with more prisms is that getting the tuning matched properly between all of them is nightmarishly more trouble.

This additional amount would place the end frequency of light (EM radiation) used to see the small samples a couple of jumps from far UV (of his patented cool beam UV-C light source), into very far UV, then into "very very" far UV (or whatever it worked out to be)?


 * (My own speculation here. However, Wade does not explain how the "fluorescence" of the specimen comes to be.  For me, the only way to get light reflecting back from such a small 'virus' specimen is to be using a wavelength, or part of one, that is sufficiently short enough to do so.) Oldspammer 18:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

That the "stupid virus samples" were then "made visible" colors to the human eye did not necessarily mean that his optics magnified them decently strongly enough to look right at their "noses" or anything. He could see the virus dots, and that they were moving. He also was able to make out their general shape.

According to Gary Wade, PhD, one of the surviving pictures was the one done in the report on the comparisons of regular versus Rife microscopes. It was the Feb. 1944 issue of The Journal of the Franklin Institute or the 1944 Annual Report of the Board of Directors of the Smithsonian Institution.

Gary Wade PhD a paper written supposedly in 1994 about 15% down the page?

If I could contact Wade, I would try to get him to better explain the fluorescence effect that Rife achieved that would elicit any reflected light energy from the 'virus' sized (supposedly short wavelength required) specimen. I would want to see the wavelength calculations (with real numbers--for "virus so and so" of size "such and such") of this and what light 'color' or wavelength in the EM spectrum this would have to equate (for various virus size numbers to see what was practical / necessary). Oldspammer 01:54, 22 June 2007 (UTC)